Of Course They're Deceived! Why Else Would Kids Look at Porn?
Having determined that 10 years in federal prison is the absolute minimum acceptable penalty for a 22-year-old who supplies a joint to a 17-year-old, House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) figures steering that 17-year-old toward online porn is an offense at least as serious. Last month Sensenbrenner introduced the Children's Safety Act of 2005, which his committee is expected to mark up tomorrow. Among other things, the bill would increase the penalty for anyone who "knowingly uses a misleading domain name on the Internet with the intent to deceive a minor into viewing material that is harmful to minors." Under the Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to End the Exploitation of Children Today (PROTECT) Act of 2003, that offense is punishable by a fine, a sentence of up to four years, or both. Viewing the current penalty as plainly inadequate for the sort of public menace who would trick a teenager into looking at dirty pictures, Sensenbrenner wants it upped to a minimum of 10 years and a fine. Yet the ever-thoughtful Sensenbrenner sets a ceiling of 30 years, thereby leaving room for members of future Congresses to demonstrate their zeal for guarding children's safety and ending their exploitation by proposing a life sentence (to be followed a few years later by the death penalty) for the crime of calling a porn site cheaptermpapers.com.
[Thanks to Eric Sterling for the tip.]
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SWALM (Single White Atheist Libertarian Male) craves violation. Teach me a lesson. No fatties.
Is is me, or are things getting worse?
Number 6--
I think things are getting a lot worse, but others say this is just a little blip and things'll be fine soon. I don't believe that at all.
That is a great question, Number 6. Are things getting worse? Is there some database of ludicrous proposals to extend government reach and power and/or laws that have been passed that are simply beyond the pale? That would be pretty interesting!
So what, are they going to file extradition papers for thousands of Russian and German citizens. Cuz believe it or not, that's where the bulk of online content is produced.
It may or may not reside on a US server, but that can be easily remedied.
In all fairness, I remember the Tipper Gore music crusades, and those were about as silly as anything going now. Fortunately, my parents were cool enough to not take my Black Flag and Dead Kennedys albums.
Gore, at least, pretended to not want government regulation. Honestly, it really does seem as though there is nothing beyond the reach of Leviathan anymore. The only thing is, I don't think there ever was.
And people wonder why I don't vote for Repuglicans.
...knowingly uses a misleading domain name on the Internet with the intent to deceive a minor into viewing material that is harmful to minors...
I assume midget.com would apply? I wish there'd been a law to protect me from that one.
Hats off yet again to uber tool James Sensenbrenner!
At this point, I'm convinced that drunken congress members sit around after work trying to come up with the most asinine legislation, and then make bets on whether they think they can get it past the public.
Prepare, folks. The revolution cometh.
sage-
Does this mean we should start stockpiling porn as well as foodstuffs, water, ammo and firearms?
Sage? Unless you mean a revolution composed of soccer moms screaming for the government to protect us from..well, everything, no.
Pretty soon they'll want to punish parents for aiding to the deliquency of a minor for not keeping Playboys (my favorite at the tender age of 8) and Penthouse under lock and key.
So would goatplay.com count as a misleading website name? To me it's pretty straightforward. To a six year old, it is also straightforward. However, my definition and the 6 year old's are light years apart. Same goes for furry.com or hotkarl.com (if said 6 year old is named Karl and lives in Atlanta).
Wouldn't PROTECT be a better acronym for Paternalistic Ridiculous Overreaction To Entertaining Computer Titillation?
B.D.
If they did that, our economy would collapse from the sudden giant void in the workforce of prime working age males. Plus, there wouldn't be enough cops to enforce it.
No, I'm one of those optimists that believe that there's just no way in hell my "collection" and me will ever be separated. It's too easy to get, too easy to hide, and too hard to do anything about.
mediageek:
Hey, I'm ready, man. I don't know what *you're* doing.
#6:
I just keep saying it hoping it really happens in one form or another, someday.
🙂
Aw, there's no porn at all at cheaptermpapers.com!
What comes first, the acronyn or the name of the law? In the case of PROTECT, it seems like they tried to force fit a name to the acronum (hence they ended it with the word "Today")
DO politicians sit and try and think up cool acronyms for acts before even naming the act ?
I have a teeny little bit of sympathy for the good intentions behind this. A friend of mine has a young son who is really into cars. Once they sat down together and the computer and went to visit http://www.mitsubishi.com. Alas, my friend missed a letter and typed http://www.mitubishi.com. It was a porn site. Worse, it was one of those really shitty porn sites where, if you try to close the window, two more windows pop up.
The obvious solution is: Before you are allowed to show your minor child anything on the Internet, you have to pass a federal typing accuracy test, or else be charged with endangering the welfare of a child.
Are things getting worse?
Well in some ways it's getting better. I envy the kids today - it's so easy for them to find good porn for free right from the comfort of their own home. When I was a kid it was tough. One kid I knew went rummaging around the garbage of a local video store to get some discarded pornos. And then there was one guy with an older brother that would buy us a dirty magazine or two, but due to implementation of his own private "sin tax," as it were, it usually cost us double or triple the cover price... I tell ya, kids today just have no appreciation of what we used to go through... just not fair! 🙂
Stevo,
Wouldn't a NetNanny-type program be able to block that?
Wouldn't that be a better solution? Wouldn't it be better to maybe pass a law (if some kind of law must be passed) that requires adult content providers meet some type of basic requirements to allow most netnanny-type programs to block them? That would seem like a fair compromise to me. This way its up to me to decide if I want that stuff blocked from my kids no matter what the url is.
I mean even google alows me the option of filtering out adult search results if that's what I want. I think thats a better solution than trying to prosecute based on what someone thinks is "misleading"
In all fairness, I remember the Tipper Gore music crusades, and those were about as silly as anything going now.
This is worse. I don't recall Tipper pushing Al to promote ten-year prison sentences for whatever the hell band did "Animal:F--k Like a Beast," which was the one title I remember as being mentioned in every single article calling for the album ratings system. Never, ever heard of the song otherwise, though. And always it was spelled pretty much the same way I did just now, hyphens and all.
No, if this were a case or ordering a small fine or something I'd oppose it, but it wouldn't make me fear for the country's future. A ten-year prison sentence sure as hell does.
Stevo--
Tell your friend to get one of those Internet providers that offer "parental controls." I'm pretty sure they can be turned on and off fairly easily, so your friend could still get porn later, were he so inclined.
Brian,
I remember the old porn market started by the kid with the older brother. It taught us all a lesson in free markets. Kids today can't even work their way up to hardcore these days, starting off with a nice appreciation for your mom's Victoria's Secret catalog and eventually working up to Hustler (where the first reaction of many an 11 year old is "Ewwww!" to some of the racier pictures). Now they get double penetration right off the bat. Where's the justice in that?
Didn't I hear that Sensibrenner was vulnerable in the next election? If so, it could actually get worse with this guy as he sharpens his image as good for the children but hard on crime, porn, and man-on-dog passion.
Wouldn't a NetNanny-type program be able to block that?
Chi-Tom and Jennifer: Yeah, good idea. It didn't occur to me because I don't have kids.
Of course, this happened several years ago, so my friend probably has figured it out by now. Maybe.
Can we play "Ron Paul" for a moment? Ron likes to ask the question "What portion(s) of the Constitution authorize this legislation?" before he supports a bill. So, what provisions would Senslessbrenner cite as authorization? A plain reading (Ha! I made a funny!) of the Commerce Clause can't be invoked, since many porn sites don't charge. If money didn't cross state lines, the Commerce Clause can't possibly apply. Right?
What's that, you say? The Supremes say that neither "commerce" nor "among the several states" matter anymore? That the feds have free rein (or is it reign?) over all behavior if they just say "Pretty please, with sugar on it"?
Well, I guess Ron is relieved of having to ask his question ever again.
"I envy the kids today - it's so easy for them to find good porn for free right from the comfort of their own home."
Hell, man, I can remember when I was a kid, all I had for porn was some weird Super-8 films!
"Are things getting worse?"
In a lot of ways, it sure seems like it. Every week seems to bring a new story about federal laws that violate one of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights. (That's probably because I read reason.com so much.)
Actually, I think there's still one Amendment that hasn't yet been attacked by Congress. Anybody want to start a betting pool on when that will happen? Me, I'm putting my ten bucks on the McCain-Sensenbrenner Household Troop Quartering Act of 2010.
You're on, Windypundit. But I say Clinton-Santorum, 2009.
Jennifer, the silver lining to the Clinton-Santorum Act of 2009 is that it will mean they're both still in the Senate rather than one of them being in the White House.
WindyPundit:
The Third Amendment is violated (in spirit, at least) by the FBI-types (DEA, ATF, INS, et al) all the time. They set up sting operations or stakeouts that often quarter them on private property. God help the people with balls enough to refuse them.
And since we are in The War on Terror? (not to mention The War on Drugs?), passing a law where permission isn't required should be child's play. Of course, a statist Supreme Court may choose to (finally) make a literal reading of the Constitution and say "an FBI agent isn't a soldier, and thus is exempt from the Third Amendment. Only Soldiers are prevented from occupying private property; all other federal agents are free to occupy without permission, including Marines, Sailors, and Airmen." Hmm. If I were a betting man, I'd wager this would be the likely path taken. No need for unpopular legislation when you can get the Supremes to do the heavy lifting for you.
Christ, Portlander, can you make me any more depressed? Are there ANY amendments in the Bill of Rights that still exist? It's getting really bad really fast, all of a sudden. Ten-year prison sentences for stupid Internet sites, and I just found out that the train I have to take into New York when my job calls me there is now subject to random searches. And if I mind letting strange men paw through my stuff, if I mind never being left alone, I'm somehow an anti-American traitor to liberty.
Christ, I really think we're screwed. And it's not even a Bush thing or a Cheney thing; I think it was some corruption present long before that's only now getting the chance to really come out. And it won't get better regardless of who wins the next Presidential election.
Come to think of it, they won't bother to quarter troops in your home. They'll just use ED to hand your home over to a government contractor that provides accomodations for soldiers.
Holy shit almighty!
I just looked at the text of the PROTECT act of 2003, and found this jem:
person who travels in interstate commerce or travels into the United
States, or a United States citizen or an alien admitted for permanent
residence in the United States who travels in foreign commerce, for the
purpose of engaging in any illicit sexual conduct with another person
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or
both.
That means if I go to Nevada, and use a legal brothel, I could get thrown away for 30 years! Fuck, this country is screwed. I'm surprised the prosecutions haven't been pouring in yet.
All these quaint posts about regulatory violations wouldn't raise a hackle if you lived in a world where people were smart enough to avoid censure by stupidity.
Jennifer - the song you're thinking of ("Animal (Fuck Like A Beast") is by WASP. What do I win?
Actually, I've never even heard the song, although I'm a metalhead and I, like you, remember that song as being the one that always came up in discussions. Looking at the lyrics, they're not actually that far out there...the title was probably what got people more riled up than anything else. I see that they also have a song titled "Goodbye America", which should resonate with Reasonoids, especially at this hour.
So you're in the NYC area, huh? Maybe we should have an NYC-Reason event - there have got to be some others here.
kmw-
Keep reading further and you'd find out that they define "illicit sexual conduct" as sexual conduct with a minor. So, be sure to get a waiver from the brothel that the girl is 18, and you should be alright. Still, not sure why its worse if you had to travel to committ this crime. I think he just had to try and figure out how to get his name on a bill to make sure the funds from the Religious Right keep pouring in.
kmw,
IANAL, but I don't think prostitution comes under the heading of "illicit sexual conduct" under most states' laws. That almost certainly refers to sex with minors.
EG, in KS the age of consent is 16, whereas in NY it's 17. So if a NY resident travels to KS for the purpose of having sex with a 16-year-old, they violate federal law.
When you masturbate to midget porn, you help the terrorists.
Yogi, I think the traveling element is used federalize it via the Commerce Clause.
Thanks for the corrections, yogi and crimethink.
And pardon my jumping to conclusions, although for some reason it doesn't seem that far fetched that Congress would do something like that.
JD-
A get-together sounds like fun--except that now the cops are doing random searches of the people and their property taking the only train from Connecticut into New York.
oh man, a bunch of reasonoids should go to Medieval Times in Jersey. That would be freakin awesome. Plus no bag searches.
Now THAT I could get behind, Randolph. No bag searches. Any New York-area people want to try getting together sometime? If nothing else, it'll be fun to see how laughably wrong I was when I pictured what various people must look like.
From the point of a legal definition, what exactly is material harmful to minors?
What credible scientific studies show this material to be harmful?
How is ten years appropriate when in many states for the first offense of murdering or killing said minor you will get a lesser penalty? Does that mean that showing them XXX is worse?
i'm down for a nyc reason event, preferably of the beer and cookies variety.
So how does one go about organizing such an event? Mine is a real e-mail address, if we need a centtral contact point.
um, sounds like we're all going to email you, then.
So far I've heard from Dhex and Rhywun. You up for it, JD? I think it will be manhattan somewhere, since most hard-core Manhattanites don't have cars to get to New Jersey.
I've heard from Rhywun and Dhex. You in, JD?
Sorry about the semi-double post. I think y'all are still having server problems.
Sure, I'm in - I'll email you separately, Jennifer, in case you're not still reading this thread. (My email address here is not real, in case you can't tell, ha ha... I'm not that much of a privacy freak, I just don't feel like making my spam problem any worse than it already is.) Being a Manhattanite, getting to the vast hinterlands (ie, anywhere not public-transport-accessible) is not the easiest thing for me, although it's not impossible, either.
Damn it, Sullum! cheaptermpapers.com ain't got no porn.