Falwell's Prayers Answered?

At the Creation Mega Conference yesterday, the Reverend Jerry Falwell told the participants that he had "prayed very earnestly this morning" over whom President Bush was going to nominate for the U.S. Supreme Court. Falwell noted that "we" have an opportunity to "get to two to three new Supreme Court justices over the next three and half years." He added that he was prayinig that God will do whatever is necessary to overcome the rebels against God in the U.S. Senate. Falwell's prayers were also asking that God would help President Bush to not listen to those who want him to nominate a moderate. "As you know, 'moderate' is just a palatable word for 'liberal' which is a curse word," explained the Reverend.

I wonder if the Reverend Falwell believes his prayers were answered?

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[mediageek]

It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.

-Bill Watterson, "Attack of the Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goons"

[s.a.m.]

I wonder if the Reverend Falwell believes his prayers were answered?

If he didn't, he would have shut up decades ago and went home!

[the regulator]

In honor of Falwell I threw some Malevolent Creation on the headphones. Brujeria will be next.

[chthus]

Here's your answer:

"Falwell pleased by Bush's pick"

Ron Brown
[e-mail]
July 20, 2005

"?This man is so clean, so brilliant and has such integrity, I don?t think anyone will find grounds to oppose him,? Falwell said. ?I think this man will have bi-partisan support. I don?t think there will be any controversy over his confirmation.?"

While not definitive, Falwell's approval is never a good sign.

[madpad]

You know...I've been thinking a lot about this ramble of the conservatives finally getting "2 to 3" seriously conservative justices on the bench. Bind them with Scalia and Thomas and you've got a veritable Right Wing Quintella...

...Until the next pres comes along!

I mean who do they think they're kidding? Everyone else EXCEPT Roberts (and Thomas) is in their late 60s, 70s and 80s and will certainly be retiring themselves over the next 7-11 years.

If the Republicans lose some ground over the next few years - not exactly an impossibility these days - and a Democratic prez gets elected, it could flip back the other way...epsecially if folks get tired of the conservative B.S. (and they probably will. Most folks like conservative ideals in theory but jump off the bus when the rubber meets the road.)

Thomas is youngest and a repectable enough model. But Scalia is a pissed off, petulant idealogue who's rather inconsistent when it comes to applying true conservative principles. That's not to say he's a liberal. But there's a big difference between a thoughtful, conservative justice (Rehnquist) and a justice whose a cheap shill for conservative politicians (Scalia).

As for the rest, if they don't get replaced in the next 3.5 years, it's not exactly a sure bet that the court would stay conservative.

Kennedy, Souter & Breyer are the next youngest and are moderate to liberal.

[Happy Jack]

I think I'm sophisticated
Cuz I'm living my life like a good homo sapien

But all around me everybody is a lying
Til they're walking round like a pagan
So I'm no better than the monkeys sitting in their cages in the zoo man

Cuz according to the devil and the heathens and the modern biology, I am an apeman

I think they're going to Hell and Genesis will tell
Adam was a strict vegetarian
But with the godless education, and secularization and Darwinization
And the liberal politicians

I don't feel safe in a world this stark
I want to sail away in an animal-filled ark
And disprove I'm an apeman

Not an apeman, I'm a King James man, not an apeman

Cuz compared to the sun that revolves round Earth
compared to the holy Virgin Birth
compared to beliefs that my soul has worth
I'm not an apeman

In man's evolution he has created perversion and degeneracy, but give me half a chance
and I'd be smiting homos and living in decency

Cuz the only time I feel at ease
is when I'm on the ground to pray on my knees
Oh what a life of blasphemy
To believe I'm an apeman

I'll be your Adam, you'll be my Eve
They'll be no Big Bang, no evolution to believe
And we'll sit in the Knowledge Tree
And eat to bring out the sinner in thee
Not like an apeman

[Lona]

Can we please make a rule about posting song lyrics?

[Nobody Important]

He added that he was prayinig that God will do whatever is necessary to overcome the rebels against God in the U.S. Senate.

It's a good thing God has Jerry Fallwell to look out for His best interests.

[smacky]

Can we please make a rule about posting song lyrics?

Yeah, the rule is: you have to cite your source. No theft of intellectual property here, buddy!

addendum: No Neil Diamond.

[chthus]

Unfortunately for Falwell, his god is one of the weaker sort and always needs some humans to watch his back for him.

[David]

For someone who's omnipotent, he only seems to act through a select few humans that he talks to, rather than directly.

[mediageek]

Can we please make a rule about posting song lyrics?

I simply scroll right past them.

[dhex]

"Can we please make a rule about posting song lyrics?"

why make "a rule" when you could just say "they rule!"

[big ups to the reason massive]

but yeah, jerry falwell saying this is cool makes me think it may be uncool.

[joe]

chthus,

Now Mr. Smite-the-liberals is lauding the broad bipartisan support Judge Roberts will get, eh?

It's not as though he would have come out against Bush's pick under any circumstances, so that sound byte tells me Falwell considers Roberts to be a moderate.

[madpad]

What dhex said.

Anytime Falwell is happy about something political is an immediate signal to grab your knees and spell "run".

Anytime a turd like Frist calls someone "the best of the best of legal minds" start stocking the shelter and get ready for some serious crap.

[chthus]

joe,

You may have a point, and I hope it's the case that he is less than pleased with the pick and is just putting on a good face. Couldn't find a more telling quote, though he did say he was taken aback by the pick when told. No explanation, so I assumed he was expecting Clement, like many others.

[madpad]

as for Joe's comment, keepin mind these folks are united in their particular practice of word play.

By getting a bunch of conservatives out there braying (yes...the donkey/ass analogy is intended) about how "moderate" he is and should "enjoy broad bipartisan support, they are...

1. Giving language to the average Fox News watcher to argue with their liberal friends (if they have any.

2. Painting the Liberals and moderate objectors into a corner and sucking away their ammunition.

3. Gearing up for the inevitable fight to take the position "If those damn liberals will go after a moderate, bipartisan like Roberts, they'll go after anyone!"

Falwell doesn't think he's a moderate any more than anyone else does...he's just playing the game and giving cover.

[mediageek]

For someone who's omnipotent, he only seems to act through a select few humans that he talks to, rather than directly.

And they tend to be complete idiots, to boot.

[Stevo Darkly]

I noticed in school that the most crucial announcements (e.g., "Everyone who rode Bus # 529 this morning [e.g., me] should board Bus # 610 to go home") are always made through the shittiest, message-manglingest PA speakers. This must be a Cosmic Rule which even God Himself abides. (At least in these latter days.)

[Tom Crick]

"He added that he was prayinig that God will do whatever is necessary to overcome the rebels against God in the U.S. Senate."

I posted a similarly stupid comment suggesting that "whatever is necessary" should be done, blah blah blah, a few days ago, but I followed up my stupid comment with another comment pointing out how stupid my initial comment was. ...Yes, I'm bragging.

I've prayed many times that God will save us all from the stupidity of U.S. Senators beholden to the likes of Jerry Falwell.

[Hakluyt]

Too bad Falwell didn't keel over and die when he had pneumonia. 🙂

[Brian Courts]

Uhoh... careful Hakluyt - didn't Jennifer almost get banned for that kind of statement. Not that they'd ever ban you of course, just saying... 🙂

[madpad]

thay ban people from here?

'sides...I like Jennifer. Intelligent, Liberal & well-reasoned is a rare combination.

[thoreau]

If Falwell really wants to blunt the Democratic opposition to Roberts he should be out there pissing and moaning that Roberts isn't conservative enough.

[Hakluyt]

Brian Courts,

Hey, I'm just trying to emulate my hero Voltaire. 🙂

[thoreau]

I like Jennifer. Intelligent, Liberal & well-reasoned is a rare combination.

I like Jennifer too. She's definitely intelligent and reasoned. But liberal? Only in that she's not as far to the right as most people here. But liberal? Please!

Regarding song lyrics: If you post too many lyrics, and they aren't spoofs, you might get in trouble with the owners of this forum. I heard that once upon a time somebody was banned, and Cavanaugh said that one of the conditions of his return would be posting fewer song lyrics and legal opinions.

[Hakluyt]

Brian Courts,

I was reading some of Calvin's letters the other day; boy did he have a wicked pen. I had known that Luther delighted in making vicious remarks about people, but Calvin, I was ignorant of on that matter.

[Hakluyt]

thoreau,

Liberal equals anyone who opposed the war in Iraq. 🙂

[Douglas Fletcher]

Why are we bringing this old bugaboo out of the closet?

[Hakluyt]

Douglas Fletcher,

Which one? 🙂

[Slainte']

Much as some conservatives hate abortion (not that I'm a fan of it), I think that part of the reason Republicans have been gaining in elections recently is due to it. My guess is that more aborted fetuses would have voted Democrat rather than Republican, had the abortion not happened.
There is already an argument being made that the crime rate has fallen in recent years due to abortions that took place 15 to 30 years ago. If Republicans really wanted to be Machiavellian, they would fund abortions in the Blue states and prevent them in the Red states.

[Hakluyt]

Slainte`,

You've reminded me of the Maine state legislator who wants to ban abortions of "gay" babies.

[ChicagoTom]

Madpad said :
If the Republicans lose some ground over the next few years - not exactly an impossibility these days - and a Democratic prez gets elected, it could flip back the other way...epsecially if folks get tired of the conservative B.S.

I dunno if this is necessarily true. In my opinion Democratic Presidents seem to appoint moderates (center, center-left, or even center-right) whereas Republican Presidents seem to appoint conservatives (center-right/hard-right).

I don't mean this as an attack, but I just don't see any truly "liberal" justices beeing sent up or confirmed even with a Dem president. I think it will be a cold day in hell before we ever see someone in the mold of Stevens win confirmation again. Clinton appointed Breyer and Ginsburg, and I would hardly classify them as liberal. At most they are center-left (although to me, Breyer is simply center).

[raymond]

There are always those who take it upon themselves to defend God, as if Ultimate Reality, as if the sustaining frame of existence, were something weak and helpless. These people walk by a widow deformed by leprosy begging for a few paise, walk by children dressed in rags living in the street, and they think, "Business as usual." But if they perceive a slight against God, it is a different story. Their faces go red, their chests heave mightily, they sputter angry words. The degree of their indignation is astonishing. Their resolve is frightening. (Life of Pi)

[madpad]

WindyCityTom,

Pretty fair on that one, I'd say - at least for reasonable folks such as ourselves.

But as Falwell so eloquently puts it, your moderate is his liberal.

According to Wikipedia "Justices Souter, Breyer, Ginsburg, and Stevens are generally considered to the liberal wing"

So I suppose it's all where you draw the line.

[Stevo Darkly]

Somebody called Jennifer "liberal"?

Apologize to the lady!

(Unless you meant "classical liberal," of course.)

[rich]

"I don't know why God endures it all, with lightning so cheap." - Mark Twain

[mediageek]

My guess is that more aborted fetuses would have voted Democrat rather than Republican, had the abortion not happened.

To expand on that thought, should we really step in and prevent a woman from terminating a pregnancy? I mean, even if you're into the whole "sanctity of life" shtick, you have to wonder whether or not someone with such a desire should be forced to breed.

[Akira MacKenzie]

Jennifer a liberal?

[Southern Gentleman]
Why you scondral! You scallywag! How daaaare you defame this fine, young flower of womanhood with such slanderous innuendo. I'd a right mind to call you out upon the field of honor! Now go, you carpetbagger!

😉

[madpad]

guess I'd better 'splain m'self with regards to my "liberal Jennifer" remark.

It's been my observation that Jennifer tends to take the extreme right wingers to task with eloquent zeal - often taking 'liberal' positions relative to their's.

I've even think I've heard (read) her defend herself of accusations of being a liberal with the ol' "Well if such 'n' such is a liberal point of view then I guess I'm a liberal" and some such.

So I guess that's what I meant...no disrespect intended as she's one with whome I rarely disagree.

[Brian Courts]

no disrespect intended as she's one with whome I rarely disagree.

Oh please... give me a break madpad! Don't you know she's taken so there's no need for the gratuitous suck-up. 🙂

[madpad]

As am I, Brian.

Only on a board like this could saying you "don't disagree" could be characterized as a suck up. That's why I come here.

[Dave Straub]

I'm sure that many of us are already familiar with this passage, but it seems timely and relevant to the thread, so I'm posting it anyway.
_____

"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.'"

-- Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz.), Sept. 16, 1981

[Mike H.]

I frequently disagree with Jennifer (excepting issues of mj), but even I don't think the girl's a liberal.

Oh, and it'd be cool if Falwell were kicked in the nuts.

[Dave W.]

you have to wonder whether or not someone with such a desire [to abort] should be forced to breed.

No that is not how a sanctity-of-life person ("SOLP") thinks. Rather the SOLP wonders whether or not someone with such a desire to abort should be forced to parent. Just because a breeder breeds a child doesn't mean the breeder has to raise it. Then the SOLP wonders whether adoption really can accommodate everybody's legit rights / interests or not.

[Dave W.]

And before everybody gets all Handmaiden's Tail on my ass, I will note that, from what I know about the book, it makes an excellent case for discretionary abortion in rape & incest cases.

[joe]

That's an interesting quote, Mr. Straub. What was the context? Who was leaning on him?

[Brian Courts]

Only on a board like this could saying you "don't disagree" could be characterized as a suck up. That's why I come here.

madpad, that is a very good point. However, I was only joking (hence the smiley), though I suppose there's some truth to the feeling colored by my impression that, even among the predominantly libertarian leaning around here, there's really nobody on here that I only rarely disagree with. 🙂 And yes, that is a big reason to come here.

[madpad]

Man...

Seems some days - no matter how much you apologize, explain or try to be understood for making an admittedly hurried and poorly phrased statement - someone just has to keep harpin' on your poor ass.

So please...Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick, drop it already.

[madpad]

Sorry Brian...that last post wasn't meant for you and I got your Smiley. My response, which you quoted, was a genuine expression of endearment to this board.

[madpad]

Sorry...bad day...I'm a little sensitive.

While my "drop it already" was in response to Mike H.'s post, I do agree with him about Falwell's nuts

[Mike H.]

Now madpad on the other hand, is definitely a flaming liberal who should be shot in the street.

...Just kidding, libby! 🙂

[madpad]

I'll try to take that in the spirit I think it was intended as I probably deserve it for my faux pas.

No doubt I do tend to the more "classical liberal/civil libertarian" side of the street (two "lib"s in one phrase - very dangerous) as opposed to the right-wing social conservative side for whom I have little to no use.

Since we both have expressed delight at the notion of seeing Falwell's nuts "Dr Scholl"ed, I could bust out with a "takes one to know one" but I think I'm in enough trouble already with this thread.:):):):)

[drf]

falwell and other fundies have no nuts. that's why they're anti sex. since they can't get any their balls turned a wonderful cobalt color and fell off.

or something like that.

[madpad]

drf...that's pretty good. can I use that?