What Would Journey Do?
SF Weekly devotes its cover to a question that has been burning up America for the last seven years: How has Journey been surviving in the post-Steve Perry era? Many interesting bits here: Did you know that American Idol's Randy Jackson played bass for the wimp-rock supergroup back in the colonial era? That a star on the Hollywood Walk-of-Fame is easier to get than, say, a Congressional Medal of Honor? The hero of the story—which (spoiler alert) ends with a bittersweet surprise meeting between Perry and his estranged bandmates in Tinseltown—is the band's manager, who mercifully turned Journey from a prog-rock brontosaurus into a hitmaking triceratops, and who alone seems to understand the limitations of a single band in an indifferent pop universe. There's even a cadre of fans clustering around replacement singer Steve Augeri:
Donna is one of a small but loyal core of Journey fans who have in fact stopped believing in Steve Perry, enthusiastically embracing his replacement instead. Her California license plate, which she holds above her head, reads "*AUJRNY." When Steve Augeri signed her left breast after a show, she headed straight to a tattoo parlor. This is not a woman who dwells in the past.
"He's just class," she explains about Augeri. "For this band, he's Number 1. He can sing, he's good with the crowd, he's great with his fans."
Well, not all of his fans. "That's not Journey! No Steve Perry, no Journey!" says a woman named Laureen who protests from behind the barricades. "This guy's a fraud. He's a really nice man, but he's a fraud. He's just trying to sound like Steve [Perry]."
The funny thing is, nobody really denies this. When David Lee Roth left Van Halen, the band replaced him with a completely different voice in Sammy Hagar. But when Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain and Ross Valory decided, seven years ago, to move on without Perry, there appears to have been very little doubt that Journey wasn't going to be Journey without Perry's sledgehammer tenor -- even if he wasn't the guy wielding it.
"So what if it's not exactly the same?" Schon says of Augeri's pipes. "It's damn close enough for people to have a good time."
Screaming fans still trump screaming reviewers.
True to his reputation, Augeri himself handles the question with grace and candor. "Frankly, I know where my bread is buttered," he says, "and the reason why I'm here in the first place is because I sounded like Steve. And I accept that with open arms."
(Yes, people, "open arms.")
Though I've never been a fan of Journey in any of its instantiations, I learned a useful lesson in the pointlessness of rock cred while watching the hilarious Journey: Behind the Music. The left-behind Journeymen passionately hate Perry for nixing a reunion tour due to what was pretty clearly a psychosomatic hip ailment. But watching Schon and the other schmos bellyaching about how Perry's syrupy sounds destroyed the band's arty fusion roots put me solidly on Perry's side. A band that would barely have merited an appearance on Comcast local cable's San Francisco Sound became the most successful musical act since Pan, and they're badmouthing the guy who did it for them because he was too fruity. By the time the story got around to Perry's hysterical illness, I was applauding him for leaving the no-talent ingrates in the lurch. Even in powerpop, Atlas shrugs!
I believe there was a similar situation with Dennis DeYoung and his former Styxmates. But there are only so many notes of bad music the ear can hear in a single evening…
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Journey is to rock what Garth is to country
I don't think anyone disliked Journey more than me--I think it's more like Journey was to rock what Bon Jovi was to Metal...
...with the possible exception of the Journey's first album. On that album, Perry was almost like a back up singer--I'm talkin' "Feelin' That Way", etc. They had this other singer who had a much deeper voice and their music was almost--dare I say--listenable then.
...Perry's even tolerable in a background noise sort of way in "She Walks Like a Lady".
I can't think of anything good to say about Boston. Can anyone else? Are there really people out there who really want to hear "More Than a Feeling" one more tedious time? I don't believe it. Somebody's jackin' the data. People just don't want to hear that kind of thing, and I refuse to believe that they ever did. Personally, I'd just as soon listen to Air Supply.
Any hot pics of Cain's ex-wife Tawny? Wow-woah-wow-wow-wow!
I just have to take issue with the use of the term "powerpop" in the middle paragraph. To include the Journey crowd under the same tent as bands like the Nerves, the Romantics, Nikki & the Corvettes and Nick Lowe is simply to dilute the term of any useful meaning... Otherwise, good post. If ever a writer needed a perverse conceit, Randian rock criticism surely does the trick.
Would any song other than "Any Way You Want It" have had the same impact blasting out of Rodney Dangerfield's golf bag stereo in Caddyshack?
I didn't think so.
Twba, very well put.
Ken, come on: Boston has three songs I would listen to ad nauseam before Air Supply.
Cavanaugh: Learn how to spell schmoe.
Of course, any music geek worth his weight in vinyl knows Journey did three albums before Perry joined in 78, back when it was just refugees from Santana's band noodling out some long jazz-rock tunes. "Fans" ignore this.
Bringing a girl to a Journey show back in the day was a sure fired way to get laid.
Re: Boston. At work we were discussing what rock star would cause the least splash by having a sex tape appear on the internet. We voted for Brad Delp, anthough Kevin Cronin from REO Speedwagon came in a close second.
I wasn't aware that there was any connection between AOR and libertarianism 🙂 Journey is a real guilty pleasure of mine (as well as Boston and Styx), which totally ruins my street cred with the snooty rock elite, but I don't care 🙂 As far as the Steve Perry situation, I agree his introduction put the band on the map, but those other guys are hardly talentless losers. Check the songwriting credits some time. I think you'll find that many of their big hits would feature the names Cain and Schon too.
Steve Perry Fan Fiction will leave you shaking your head in disbelief.
I've been waiting months to pass this one on.
I am a huge Journey fan!! But it's just not the same without Perry. So I've accepted the fact that I'll never hear anything new from Journey, since my Journey is long gone. 🙁
Journey, Styx, Foreigner, Night Ranger, Asia, REO Speedwagon: for me, in high school in the early 80's, those 6 band names were 6 excellent reasons to turn off the radio, head to the local independent record store, and buy some punk rock, new wave, synth pop, goth, rap...whatever it took to blast that insipid 'Corporate Rawk' out of my head and out of my life.
Boston is better: catchy, at least.
Bob Seger, John "Cougar" Melloncamp, Bon Jovi and his hair-metal ilk are just as bad.
But, if I ever write a "Dante's Inferno," the members of Journey and their fans will suffer THE CRUELEST eternities of literary punishment for their CRIMES AGAINST ROCK!
"Don't stop...believin" in your ETERNITY OF PAIN, you diseased little...*uhgh*
[coughs, coughs, hacks up noxious bile....]
Three words:
Lovin'
Touchin'
Squeezin'
Hated them in the 80's though.
McClain,
Don't forget all the insipid glam rock bands. *blech*
Do not insult Journey.
One reason I don't care for Classic Rock radio, is that it is a Journey album, endlessly replayed, over and over, without ceasing, without hope, forever!
And it's worse on Two-fer-Tuesdays.
Other rock singers I can't stand, besides Perry, include David Lee Roth, Paul Rodgers of Free and Bad Company, and, of course, Robert Plant. Plant makes my list as much as for the myriad imitators of his high-pitched yelp as for the original.
GG is right, many a glam band was lame, but I'd much rather listen to the Dolls than crap like Kansas.
That Atwood fellow's taste for Journey is an obvious marker for his prole origins as a mullet.
Kevin
Rush is the only band I will admit I listened to back in those days. Only Rush. Yep.
Why did I know it wouldn't take long for Rush to get a mention on this thread? And Keven, Paul Rogers rocked out at music midtown in Atlanta a few years back. I'm even glad my buddy dragged me away from the ABB during Mountain Jam to see it, ABB's last show with Dickey Betts. About forty of us were treated to an emotional performance, despite the thousands of losers across the parking lot listening to Creed. And Journey's NEXT is a quality album, as was Perry's first but first only. They were a girl band from the second album on.
Isn't there a requirement that Rush is mentioned at least once a month here as well as on LewRockwell.com? Well, natch. Classic rock and libertarianism -- who else would you think of? Although to mention them in the same thread as Journey and their ilk is some form of heresy.
BTW, their 30th anniversary tour rocked. Although Jones Beach (Wantagh, NY) sucks as a venue. Especially in the rain.
This is by far the most kick-ass article ever posted on Hit 'n' Run. Rock on, Mr. Cavanaugh!
Marge: "Where did all these drinks come from?"
Homer: "Who cares? It's a party!"
Glam rock? Aw, c'mon - Kiss, The Sweet, Bowie, T. Rex, NY Dolls? There was a lot of good (or at least cheesy fun) glam rock.
As for Rush, they're at least well-intentioned. Nerdy and often annoying, but they don't suck nearly as bad as Journey (or Creed) because at least they're TRYING to be great and original. They fail, but give 'em some props for trying.
"Glam" is a funny term. When some people use it, they're talking about T-Rex, Bowie and the New York Dolls, but when other people use it, they're talking about Motley Crue and Poison.
GWAR!!!!
Motley Cr?e and Poison aren't glam, they're just hair-bands - Metal Lite.
GWAR are pretty funny, though.
Kevin
"As for Rush, they're at least well-intentioned. Nerdy and often annoying, but they don't suck nearly as bad as Journey (or Creed) because at least they're TRYING to be great and original. They fail,"
Careful, By-Tor and/or the Snowdog are going to come for you in your sleep!
ANYBODY can do Steve Perry. You just have to overarticulate and really lean on the vibrato. On a Friday night at a local Karaoke bar, this rather unassuming short, balding guy got up and took the microphone, right after four drunk women mangled "Take it Easy", and he did a version of "Separate Ways" that was better than either of the two Journey singers, hands down. Eat that Perry/Augeri!
Nothing chases me out of a bar faster than karaoke.
Styx. Journey. Kansas. Rush. Judas Priest. Def Leppard. Scorpions.
For me, these were the soundtrack for my life in the late '70s and early '80s.
Journey's Infinity was once one of my favorite albums; didn't think so much of their later work, except for "Separate Ways" and, let us not forget, Perry's "Oh Sherrie." The only trouble was, it was almost impossible for me to sing along with them.
And Boston. I forgot Boston. And REO.
Styx. Journey. Kansas. Rush. Judas Priest. Def Leppard. Scorpions...For me, these were the soundtrack for my life in the late '70s and early '80s.
Me too. The trouble is, the soundtrack was usually blasting out of some asshole's car stereo or in the apartment next door. Sort of an unchosen soundtrack, if you will. Throw in Aerosmith & I think you would have the perfect soundtrack for hell (my hell, anyway).
Me too. The trouble is, the soundtrack was usually blasting out of some asshole's car stereo
Oops, that was probably me and my cousin Mike tooling around in his beautiful black-wth-red-stripes 1968 Cutlass. He always kept the volume way too loud. My apologies.
Tim's right. Journey: Behind The Music rates a solid 8 on the Unintentional Comedy Scale. Money quote from Joanathan Cain, on composing "Open Arms": "Wait'll the world hears this!" I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
And yes, Journey would get you laid. The Ramones, not so much.
I have always had a lot of time for Journey, Styx, Night Ranger and Damn Yankees. Boston always got a bit much, even by the end of an album. As far as Poison, LA Guns and Motley Crue...boy does there music not age very well at all.
Journey and Styx are perfectly fine without their "egos in the front" Perry & DeYoung.
Anyone wanting to read about more about libertarianism and rock music can read my LA pamphlet on it.
Don't forget all the insipid glam rock bands. *blech*
Oh, come on, Gary Glitter, you know you love the glam! Why else would you derive your posting moniker from a glam rocker?
I don't know what Journey would do. But I know what they WOULDN'T do: stop believing.
Right on, Joe -- and all you streetlight people. It goes on and on and on and on.
OK, I just figured out what Journey would do: day. As in "La Do Da Do Day."
(One of the less well-known songs from the Infinity album. It concluded with a really cool jet-airliners-swooshing-back-and-forth sound. Now I need to go get this album on CD; I've discovered I have a great deal of nostalgic affection for several songs that never got airplay.)
And yes, Journey would get you laid. The Ramones, not so much. - some other Kevin
I dunno, Kev. Johnny crooning I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend, Oh, Oh, I Love Her So, Questioningly or Needles & Pins could be pretty soulful. Da Bruddas had deep roots in romantic pop, admiring sixties surf bands and girl-groups so much that they placed themselves in the hands of the mad Phil Spector. Of course, one had to employ those tunes with one of Sheena's spiritual sisters, and not just any suburban teen queen. Horses for courses, after all.
Kevin
Did Johnny Winter have a Glam Rock phase or did he dress like that for the one album cover? That photo was disturbing.
Stevo, but they absolutely wouldn't do da day in South Detroit.
Do you know WHY they wouldn't do da day in South Detroit?
Because there is no fucking "South Detroit."
"And yes, Journey would get you laid. The Ramones, not so much."
If you bang to a Ramones tune, you're racing a three minute clock. Talk about pressure.
"If you bang to a Ramones tune, you're racing a three minute clock. Talk about pressure."
Hell, when I was a teenager I was lucky to make it past the onetwothreefour countoff.
"I dunno, Kev. Johnny crooning I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend, Oh, Oh, I Love Her So, Questioningly or Needles & Pins could be pretty soulful. Da Bruddas had deep roots in romantic pop, admiring sixties surf bands and girl-groups so much that they placed themselves in the hands of the mad Phil Spector. Of course, one had to employ those tunes with one of Sheena's spiritual sisters, and not just any suburban teen queen. Horses for courses, after all."
I grew up in the NJ suburbs. It was all about Journey, Styx and related crap to the girls in my high school. After venturing into NY a couple times to see the Ramones and surveying the Sheenas, Ramonas and Judys in the crowd, I decided I didn't want to catch anything more than a concert while in the city.
The Steve Perry/Dennis De Young parallels made me laugh, too. I saw Styx on the fair circuit last summer--leave me alone, the tickets were free--and their current singer sounds exactly like De Young. My first thought was: "Cool. They Journeyed his ass!"
smacky,
Huh?
I am just busting your chops, Gary.
Say, is this the first time you've noticed the nickname I gave you? Cause I've been calling you that for a while now...
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vanderlinden/glitter.htm
http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/glitter_gary/bio.jhtml
Excruciatingly obscure trivia:
When nerd-punk band Nerf Herder started performing their song "Easy Mark," they originally took some lyrics directly from Journey's "Don't Stop Believing," probably these:
Just a small town girl, livin' in a lonely world
She took the midnight train goin' anywhere
Just a city boy, born and raised in south Detroit
He took the midnight train goin' anywhere
But when they recorded it on their first CD, NF was afraid Journey's label might sue them, so they changed the lyrics to:
Yeah she ... she's bustin' out
Put the suitcase in the Pinto and got the hell out of Ohio
She gets on that great highway
Doesn't wanna be anywhere
Joe, not being familiar with Detroit, I had to look up a map to see how there could possibly not be a "South Detroit," if only in a colloquial sense (the way "South St. Louis" refers to anything in the city limits south of Interstate 40). But due to the position of Detroit's river, I think you are correct.
I guess "Just a city boy, born and raised in Windsor" (or maybe "Wyandotte") didn't sound gritty enough.
I may be the only person on this thread who actually witnessed a live Journey performance with Randy Jackson on bass, on the "Raised On Radio" tour. I took a girl, and I did not get laid, because the Journey magic was long gone by then. Plus she had a boyfriend.
BTW, Boston >>>>>>>> Journey.
"I dunno, Kev. Johnny crooning I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend, Oh, Oh, I Love Her So, Questioningly or Needles & Pins could be pretty soulful. Da Bruddas had deep roots in romantic pop, admiring sixties surf bands and girl-groups so much that they placed themselves in the hands of the mad Phil Spector."
Romantic Pop, Sixties Surf Bands and Girl Groups--All those influences sound like they're gettin' dangerously close to Rockabilly!
...I didn't think you were into Rockabilly, KevRob?
Steve Perry could sing the shit out of those tunes. And they are all bad-ass players. They have chops & you've got to respect that and Perry put his heart & soul into that music.
Journey et al. are much better than most of the pop-crap today, John Mayer, of course, excepted.
BTW: While Journey, Boston, Foreigner & Styx have a similar "sound" (I call it AOR Rock, or "Arena Rock"), and while I understand how upon hearing "Carry on Wayward Son" by Kansas, they would be placed in that box, Kansas properly belong in the progressive Rock box with Rush, Yes, and Genesis. Their early stuff sounds closest to Gabriel era Genesis, but with stronger vocals.
The shortness of Ramones songs did not, theoretically, limit one to three minutes. Back in the day, turntables were equipped with a changer arm, so you could load several 45's or LP's on the machine, and listen for quite a while. Alternately, one could leave one side on continuous play, by swinging the changer to the right.
I must confess to having once prepared a punk/new wave/power pop mix tape for make out sessions with cute hip chicks.
As for Rockabilly, hell yeah! Saw Carl Perkins live, back in the early 80's, even.
Kevin
The only music that ever got ME laid was Bowie, Roxy Music, and, later, Portishead.
Journey? I wouldn't even be able to get it UP with THAT shiznit stinkin up the joint....
The last time I can recall making out, or something similar, to a musical background, it was (shifting gears a bit here) the soundtrack to Last of the Mohicans. That was more her doing than mine though; I'm usually so well-prepared for these events that I have a soundtrack prepared; they tend to sneak up on me. That's my life.
I've heard that one of the best CDs to have sex to is (shifting gears again) "So Tonight That I Might See" by Mazzy Star. It has the hit "Fade Into You" on it. Also, the title track is very long, kinda spooky/smokey, and has a very deliberate beat to it.
I've always thought "Yulunga (Spirit Dance)" by Dead Can Dance would also be good for that purpose, although it's kinda weird.
Correction: I'm usually NOT so well-prepared for these events ...
The only music that ever got ME laid was Bowie, Roxy Music, and, later, Portishead.
Journey? I wouldn't even be able to get it UP with THAT shiznit stinkin up the joint....
My type of guy! Those are all awesome bands (except Journey). If someone put on Journey while we were together, I would just start laughing. And then I'd probably make an excuse that I had somewhere else to be just then.
I've heard that one of the best CDs to have sex to is (shifting gears again) "So Tonight That I Might See" by Mazzy Star. It has the hit "Fade Into You" on it. Also, the title track is very long, kinda spooky/smokey, and has a very deliberate beat to it.
This is true, as long as you aren't too sleepy when you begin - all of the tracks are very mellow. And it's great to fall asleep to afterward (assuming you don't require more time).
I know someone who is actually planning on having "Fade into You" be his wedding night-sex song one day.
I've always thought "Yulunga (Spirit Dance)" by Dead Can Dance would also be good for that purpose, although it's kinda weird.
Dead Can Dance = awesome!!!
I know someone who is actually planning on having "Fade into You" be his wedding night-sex song one day.
*It should be noted that said fellow is also a huge Journey/Steve Perry fan, which is what eventually tore us asunder....
Tsk. The most common causes of arguments between couples:
1) Money.
2) Jealousy.
3) Journey/Steve Perry.