The War on Drugs: The Transcript

When the drug cops came after Eugene Siler, his wife caught their bullying on tape.

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Comments

[sage]

Dude, if that's true, OMG. Makes Rampart, L.A., look like the epitome of straight and narrow.

[kmw]

Tell me again... Why are we morally superior to the Viet Cong? Or Saddam?

[Lord Duppy]

I want the recording. Anyone know where it might be? Yeah, it's prolly stuffed in a police vault somewhere.

[juanita]

But he's a drug dealer trying to harm our society. He deserved this. And if he led them to his sources then it's doubly justified.

[Les]

kmw,

Because these scumbags were not acting in an official capacity and will (probably) be punished for their actions.

Of course, that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of officially sanctioned actions on behalf of the war on drugs that aren't brutal and totalitarian.

[Franklin Harris]

Tell me again... Why are we morally superior to the Viet Cong? Or Saddam?

'Cause drugs are bad .. hmm kay?

[Ben]

"Because these scumbags were not acting in an official capacity and will (probably) be punished for their actions."

You want to bet Les? They deserve nothing short of a very long jail sentence. I'd bet money they don't get one.

[anon]

Juanita, I'm just curious: are you being facetious?

[UFP]

The word "facetious" comes up in a lot of replies to Juanita/

[dead_elvis]

If facetious means being a troll, then yes. It doesn't, ergo s/he's just a troll.

And wow, that gets my blood boiling. I wish every politician responsible for continuing the WOD reads that story. They should make them listen to every minute of the tape as well, and sit through every minute of the guy's moaning.

[Xavier]

I think this Juanita is a fraud. She's not using her usual email address.

[TJIT]

Bullying? I think the word you are looking for is toture. We might have a chance of reforming the prison industrial complex if items like this got as much attention as say the abuse at Abu Ghraib (882,000 hits for Abu Ghraib when I did a google search to check the spelling).

I hope the press gives Siler's abuse the amount of attention it deserves.

[Shawn Smith]

dead elvis,

Yeah, that sounds like a fitting punishment. The only problem, those drug warriors would probably get a woody listening to the guy's screaming, once they knew he was a convicted "drug dealer."

News like this depresses me. Now I know to stay away from Campbell County, TN.

[TJIT]

spell check is my friend, toture should be torture.

[Les]

Ben,

I'm not a betting man, but if I was, I wouldn't take that bet. I wouldn't be surprised if they got off.

[Ball of Confusion]

The article doesn't make clear whether Mr. Siler was also a suspected terrorist, in which case I would expect all this to be excusable as "extreme situations" / "end justifying means".

[kwais]

Dead Elvis;

" I wish every politician responsible for continuing the WOD reads that story. They should make them listen to every minute of the tape as well, and sit through every minute of the guy's moaning."

I really don't think much good would come of that. I think that the only thing that they would see is that details need to be fixed. They would think that the WOD needs to be fought harder and more efficiently. And not that the WOD is wrong and inevitably brings about this kind of thing.

[Allen]

Link to a news article in Knoxville on this case.

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_3527113,00.html

[Allen]

Make no mistakes, Siler was a shitbag. He's got a life of making the wrong choices. But that never justifies that kind of treatment. In fact, a guy like Siler was bound to make a stupid mistake yet again. This isn't Hollywood, most of these guys make elementary, easily found mistakes. If they really wanted to search Siler's place getting PC and a warrant wouldn't have been difficult. Those guys went in there wanting to give someone a beating; the drug war was just a pretext for them to rationalize flexing their muscles. I'd love to stick a battery to their fuckin' testicles as part of their punishment. a-holes.

[kwais]

Allen,

" I'd love to stick a battery to their fuckin' testicles"

That is not an acceptable punishment for any crime in our country dude.

[Jennifer]

That is not an acceptable punishment for any crime in our country dude.

Considering who our new Attorney General is, that statement may soon become outdated.

[somebodyelse]

tell me again when we are allowed to start shooting back?

[matt]

Remember kids, the policemen are your friend.

[kwais]

"tell me again when we are allowed to start shooting back?"

Generally whenever you are getting shot at, you are supposed to shoot back.

Have you been holding back Sombodyelse? Slacker!

....Well you are not supposed to shoot back generally when somebody is shooting at you by accident, or when somebody is shooting in your general direction, because they don't know exactly where you are, and they have some big guns for when you shoot back and reveal where you are.

But other that that, out of principle you are always supposed to shoot back.

Does that answer your question?

[kwais]

"Considering who our new Attorney General is, that statement may soon become outdated."

Well then Allen might be able to fill an interesting job position.

It would be something like this;

Random judge:"hey we caught these cops abusing their authority, who can we get to electrify their balls"?

Allen: "Hey whats up? you called?"

[kwais]

Jen;

Forgive my English and all, I know you used to be a teacher.

By the way did you see my reference to my sweet ass Audi S4 that I made on the PETA/ Mercedes thread?

I talked about it specifically to impress you and Smacky. Even though every libertarian I know makes much more than me and has whatever car they ever wanted.

[Seamus]

"Because these scumbags were not acting in an official capacity"

And now--another episode of "Ex-Police"!

"'tell me again when we are allowed to start shooting back?'

"Generally whenever you are getting shot at, you are supposed to shoot back."

I seem to recall G. Gordon Liddy getting in a lot of trouble when he said something to that effect. Not as much, however, as Donald Carlson: http://www.mega.nu:8080/batf/www.boogieonline.com/revolution/body/drugs/rights/enforce/carlson.html

(The attitude of the DEA seems to have been that of the French who said "This animal is very wicked; when attacked, it defends itself.")

[Ruthless]

"Even though every libertarian I know makes much more than me and has whatever car they ever wanted."

kwais,
If it makes you feel better, almost every librarian I know makes near bubkis: as do I.
Librarians who happened to get a degree in engineering may make more, but they probably still make less than the general population of engineers. (Engineers! Who knew? Engineers get paid well because they are perceived as able to actually DO something and ACCOMPLISH something.
You may recall I've advised against doing and accomplishing. The concept is anti-librarian. "Don't just do something; stand there.")

You should bring us forlorn throwbacks up to speed about how your buddies can rake in the bucks.

In conclusion: car schmar.
You should see my Geo Metro sticker-mobile.

[Xavier]

Ruthless: Is your use of "librarian" a joke or a typo? You did it three times in the same post, so I'm not sure. Of course librarians don't make much money, and getting an engineering degree probably won't help much.

[concerned]

Ruthless,

I tried to answer your post a while ago but the site was down. So was your site down also I take it. Because when I clicked on your name I got a screen that said "Forbidden" just like the screen that appeared when I tried to post an answer.

It kind of freaked me out. I thought I had typed something that the computer gatekeeper thought was a no-no.

[Isaac Bartram]

Seamus

(The attitude of the DEA seems to have been that of the French who said "This animal is very wicked; when attacked, it defends itself.")

At least the Frenchman who wrote that was being sarcastic. I doubt the DEA has any sense of irony.

[kwais]

OK, my setting was changed from Kwais to concerned.

I was trying to see if I could get through with a different name, and I forgot to change back

[kwais]

Ruthless,
Here is some of what I tried to post yesterday.

I am not aware of the term 'bubkis'

I generally assume that libertarians make more money than me because lots of the posters seem to know a whole lot more than me about history and science.

Also, the guy I learned about libertarianism from is an engineer now. He went from making the pay of Sgt in the Marine Corp to being deciding on buying his own Hummer with cash. Now he is really, really pissed at how much of his pay is taken out in taxes.

But I have to counter balance that with a guy that I know who is dirt poor. This guy refuses to pay taxes. He says that to wave the red flag at the federal government and say "what is the best you got", you have to have nothing to lose.

I was wondering as I was typing something to this effect yesterday, if the IRS might have had something to do with my message not getting through.

[Jennifer]

Kwais-
An Audi? Very impressive. If I were single, ten years younger, and prone to dating guys I met on Internet comment boards, I would definitely make a play for you. I'd make you an excellent First Wife, and I can guarantee you'd have plenty of entertaining stories to tell your friends after our divorce.

[kwais]

Jen,
Glad you are impressed. Impressing the two girls who are really hot in my mind was the complete goal.

Achieving marriage might have been the goal of an evil me in a parralel world. But it would have to be a polar opposite world.

I should mention for that generally speaking the two types of hot people are: single again, and not single again yet.

But hey, we are not talking about how hot you are, we are talking about how cool my Audi S4 is.
(I don't know if this is the best place to mention that although all Audi's are cool, the S4 is the coolest of the cool)

I might be driving it next month. So if you see someone hauling ass, not quite readjusted to the road rules of a country with law, that might be me.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Great..