Safeguards in the PATRIOT Act
…apparently include judicial invalidation of its worst components. George Bush is speaking live from New Jersey and has claimed, as he did in the debates, that the PATRIOT Act is replete with safeguards to protect civil liberties, including the requirement that a judge sign off on the searches it authorizes. Now, maybe that's not a deliberate lie, but if it's not, then Bush just doesn't know what's in the law, which is no less comforting. Because the act also expanded a form of administrative subpoena known as the "national security letter."
It is true that thanks to a recent federal district court ruling the statute PATRIOT expanded will itself shortly become defunct. But the federal government is also expected to appeal that ruling. So perhaps, like Bush's claims about cutting the deficit in half in five years, this falls under the category of "true, provided I don't actually get the policies I'm advocating."
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I don't see how anyone can make much sense of what the Patriot Act does and doesn't say. When I've tried actually reading the damned thing, I couldn't make hide nor hair of most of it.
The Patriot Act constitutes one particularly good reason for voting Libertarian this year. As the Libertarian Party candidate for the Indiana US Senate seat currently held by Evan Bayh, I know I'm the only candidate in this race opposed to this monstrosity.
Likewise on the presidential ballot, as the Patriot Act enjoyed the support of Kerry and Edwards.
GO LP!
I often see President Bush projected as the heir of Reagan's legacy. I've been a big critic of the Bush Administration, but I was a big supporter of the Reagan Administration. I don't see the similarities.
...it strikes me that Bush is much more the heir of Nixon's legacy. Like Nixon, Bush just doesn't seem to get it. Why does he think civil libertarians are against the Patriot Act?
Bush is much more the heir of Nixon's legacy.
that's very much my opinion as well. this administration operates in a very similar fashion.
1st rule of the patriot act: It is illegal to read the patriot act.
2nd rule of the patriot act: It is illegal to talk about the patriot act.
3rd rule of the patriot act: The patriot act superseded all rules and laws before it.
The first rule of the PATRIOT Act: you do not talk about the PATRIOT Act.
The second rule of the PATRIOT ACT: YOU DO NOT NOT TALK ABOUT THE PATRIOT ACT!
The third rule of the PATRIOT Act: the minute the PATRIOT Act is invoked, all discussion and debate on the subject at hand is closed.
The fourth rule of the PATRIOT Act: the government can invoke the PATRIOT Act at any time, for any reason.
The fifth rule of the PATRIOT Act: when invoked, YOU MUST COMPLY with whatever request the government makes, no matter how extreme or insigificant the request.
Finally, the sixth rule of the PATRIOT Act: if you question the PATRIOT Act in any way shape or form, you will be branded an unpatriotic traitor and dealt with accordingly.
Look, the people you are after are the people you rely on. We cook your food, we drive your ambulances, we protect you while you sleep... do not FVCK with us.
I could have choked the life out of Kerry when he said (in I believe debate 1?) that the PATRIOT act was good law, the conflict with civil liberties came from the way the administration chose to apply it. Is this some full on fascist double speak or what? Translation; 1)we only meant to strip liberty from terrorists, how were we to know this would be applied to suspected drug dealers and pro-life protesters, or 2)I wish I had read the thing before I signed. This is the same dumb ass that wrote the president a blank check for war and now wants to bitch. Guess what John, the legislating and war powers belong to congress. How would he like the supreme court to write John Ashcroft a few blank decisions. Help me out joe, perhaps Kerry has some consistent, although unarticulated, position on abrogating the two largest checks congress has on the administration.
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