Wow

I'm behind by about 15 minutes because of Debateoke, but the 80 percent liberal room I'm watching with seems to agree that Bush is winning.

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[anonymous]

My 60 percent liberal room is too busy laughing at Bush's ticks and mannerisms...

[Lurch Versus Fester]

It's Lurch versus Uncle Fester.

[The Lonewacko Blog]

i'm blogging despite dripping blood...

shouldn't the prez have made sure we had more than two flu shot suppliers? should he really blame that on an english company?

[Chrissy]

This is not made up. A group of friends about 24 are watching and at Debate 2 the Liberals brought a bag that was a golf bag but looked like a body bag for Bush because they felt he was poor in the 1st debate. they never took it out. they hate Bush. this time they didn't bring it and have said even though they will never vote for him, he is more a of a "real leader" (not just the TV kind) and far less canned that Kerry tonight. Although I am a Bush fan and think Kerry is a GREAT debater.

[Lurch Versus Fester]

It's Lurch versus Uncle Fester.

[Chrissy]

This is not made up. A group of friends about 24 are watching and at Debate 2 the Liberals brought a bag that was a golf bag but looked like a body bag for Bush because they felt he was poor in the 1st debate. they never took it out. they hate Bush. this time they didn't bring it and have said even though they will never vote for him, he is more a of a "real leader" (not just the TV kind) and far less canned that Kerry tonight. Although I am a Bush fan and think Kerry is a GREAT debater.

[UnArt]

"shouldn't the prez have made sure we had more than two flu shot suppliers? should he really blame that on an english company?"

He was too busy making sure we have more shoe suppliers, more dust mop suppliers, and more odor-eater suppliers. Exactly the sort of thing Presidents are supposed to do.

[UnArt]

"shouldn't the prez have made sure we had more than two flu shot suppliers? should he really blame that on an english company?"

He was too busy making sure we have more shoe suppliers, more dust mop suppliers, and more odor-eater suppliers. Exactly the sort of thing Presidents are supposed to do.

[ckent]

$5/h or $15/h - really, you can't afford life. its so sad buit true

[gijoe]

its gijoe

[Sam I Was]

shouldn't the prez have made sure we had more than two flu shot suppliers?

I can't believe I'm reading this on a libertarian blog.

[Brian]

Do you honestly feel it's the task of the executive branch to shop for flu shots?

[David]

How is the Prez suppossed to make sure we have more than two suppliers? It is a private industry and he doesn't control it. And the Brit company WAS at fault - the Brits even say so.

Oh, and lawsuits from guys like Edwards are why more companies are making drugs - duhhhhh

[ckent]

Kerry just kicked into gear!!

[The Lonewacko Blog]

Exactly the sort of thing Presidents are supposed to do.

In case you're saying the prez shouldn't worry about the literal health of the nation, you're wrong. That's why we have those buildings with CDC and HHS on them. (Please don't deny we have those buildings).

Kerry did mention that the laws against employers aren't being enforced and that people from the middle east are coming across our borders, but he needed to quote some alarming stats.

[The Lonewacko Blog]

Exactly the sort of thing Presidents are supposed to do.

In case you're saying the prez shouldn't worry about the literal health of the nation, you're wrong. That's why we have those buildings with CDC and HHS on them. (Please don't deny we have those buildings).

Kerry did mention that the laws against employers aren't being enforced and that people from the middle east are coming across our borders, but he needed to quote some alarming stats.

[crimethink]

So Hispanics illegally immigrating is OK, but Saudis doing so isn't? Is it me or was Kerry betraying support for racial profiling with that remark?

[Jon]

For people who haven't been paying attention, the President was wrong, it was not an English company making the flu shots.

It was an American company, based in San Francisco. The *factory* was in England.

[Curtis]

This was Bush's best performance of the 3 debates and Kerry's worst. Bush won it.

[Brandon]

POST DEBATE COVERAGE

"Nice ass there mister kerry!" - "Why thank you, Bush just handed it to me."

"And where did you get that fine clock?" - "Well, to tell you the truth, I have had it for a while... Dubbya just cleaned it"

[Kerryite]

Think about all the american vaccine makers who were put out of work when Bush bought vaccines from a company that outsources!

[Brandon]

POST DEBATE COVERAGE

"Nice ass there mister kerry!" - "Why thank you, Bush just handed it to me."

"And where did you get that fine clock?" - "Well, to tell you the truth, I have had it for a while... Dubbya just cleaned it"

[irishlass]

It was completely out of line for Kerry to talk about Mary Cheney. Just imagine if someone discussed your personal life during a debate with your father's business partner. Mary Cheney deserves the same privacy we all claim for ourselves.

[dick]

The point isn't being understood. NOBODY wants to make vaccines in USA anymore. It is the lawsuits, and it is one of the most expensive problems in our current litigious society. You make almost no money from vaccines (even tho our society is best set up to devise them), because to charge Junior for a hepatitis shot is outrageous. They should all be free to the little guy; that IS his birthright. But let him develop encephalitis or any of the various maladies of childhood and watch the suits multiply. "Why, he just is so unconcerned about school anymore, and his grades!!" "Well, ma'm, didn't he just recently get a pneumonia shot? If I were you, you know what I'd do." Almost every penny of John Edwards fortune was made from such "popular science." Dick Matern, MD So the solution? MAKE all drug companies enter a lottery and the one that draws the short straw will be forced by the government to make the vaccines this year. It's the president's responsibility, isn't it?

[dick]

The point isn't being understood. NOBODY wants to make vaccines in USA anymore. It is the lawsuits, and it is one of the most expensive problems in our current litigious society. You make almost no money from vaccines (even tho our society is best set up to devise them), because to charge Junior for a hepatitis shot is outrageous. They should all be free to the little guy; that IS his birthright. But let him develop encephalitis or any of the various maladies of childhood and watch the suits multiply. "Why, he just is so unconcerned about school anymore, and his grades!!" "Well, ma'm, didn't he just recently get a pneumonia shot? If I were you, you know what I'd do." Almost every penny of John Edwards fortune was made from such "popular science." Dick Matern, MD So the solution? MAKE all drug companies enter a lottery and the one that draws the short straw will be forced by the government to make the vaccines this year. It's the president's responsibility, isn't it?

[There you go again]

'Think about all the american vaccine makers who were put out of work when Bush bought vaccines from a company that outsources!'

The Clinton administration set up a policy with the government being the main buyer of vaccines. Being the largest buyer, they began to dictate price. This drove away many companies who make the vaccines....if we'd stuck with the original, free market solution, several companies would still be making vaccines, and we wouldn't have a severe supply issue when one factory has a problem

[Brandon]

POST DEBATE COVERAGE

"Nice ass there mister kerry!" - "Why thank you, Bush just handed it to me."

"And where did you get that fine clock?" - "Well, to tell you the truth, I have had it for a while... Dubbya just cleaned it"

[Former Kerryite]

There you go again:

Gosh darn it you're right! I've been wrong all my life! I'm gonna run out right now to join my local republican party, and I'll tear up all those Teresa pics that I used to masturbate to.

[Eric]

John Kerry can't even find one nice thing to say about his wife? Hmmmmm....

[Libertarian]

This was Bush's best debate performance, and he still lost. Too many silly grins and unanswered attacks. His clock got cleaned on the privatization of social security -- costs too much.
Pell grants, pell grants. His lie about Osama -- go to the tape.
So I think, since I can't vote for Kerry, I'm going to support the libertarian this year. Oh well. Four years of Kerry then we can get a real president better than either of these guys.

[cka]

Maybe the politicians should mention the fact that health care costs have soared because those who carry insurance are subsidizing those who don't. Hospitals HAVE to treat indigent patients at emergency centers.

The increase in uncompensated care for immigrants has forced some hospitals to reduce staff, INCREASE RATES, cut back services, and close maternity wards and trauma centers.

In the last decade, 60 California emergency rooms have closed. 45 California hospital losses totaled $390 million in 2001, up from $325 million in 2000 and $316 million in 1999. The crisis reaches throughout the state, with 80 percent of emergency departments reporting losses.

I'm sure this is happening in all the states.

Source: "CMA?s Annual ER Financial Report: Hospital Losses Reached $390 Million in 2001," California Medical Association, February 27, 2003.

[Denis]

All you folks not voting for Kerry and thinking of voting for Badnarak

[HH]

"Kerry just kicked into gear!!"

By saying Mary Cheney... yeah that lasted about a second.

Anyone paying the slightest bit of attention saw Bush win... the flop sweat on Kerry told all. And so of course tomorrow the MSM will insist Kerry won.

[HH]

"Kerry just kicked into gear!!"

By saying Mary Cheney... yeah that lasted about a second.

Anyone paying the slightest bit of attention saw Bush win... the flop sweat on Kerry told all. And so of course tomorrow the MSM will insist Kerry won.

[blg]

Just to say, the flu vaccine company is Chiron and they are located in Emeryville, not San Francisco. Nit picking, yes, but those of us in the Bay Area take these things VERY seriously.

Had Kerry been armed with the knowledge that the company is based in the US and had (gasp!) outsourced the manufacturing component of their business, he could have really womped Bush with that. I don't give a two-penny damn about outsourcing, but that one would have been fun to watch. Bush would have to have dragged out a real ubber-smirk to keep his head from imploding from the more-natural scowl.

I TiVo'd the debate and just watched it and I give this one to Kerry, again on mechanics and presentation. Bush doesn't strike me as a commander-in-chief, he just strikes me as an ignorant tool.

[The Greed]

Just because there the HHS and CDC exist doesn't mean they should. Strictly interpreting the constitution would require the dismantling of almost all federal departments/centers/etc.

[Mr. Bowen]

"So I think, since I can't vote for Kerry, I'm going to support the libertarian this year. Oh well. Four years of Kerry then we can get a real president better than either of these guys."

BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!

Ow. Ow. My ribs. Stop, you're killing me over here! I'd ask what you're smoking, but you're Libertarians, I KNOW what you're smoking.

Seriously, now. Get this through your thick heads, all of you: As long as you play your intellectually superior little blame America games you will never ever ever get a President elected. Ever. Trust me on this. I went from voting a straight Libertarian ticket to voting only for local Libertarian candidates because of the incredibly annoying attitude of intellectual superiority (backed by nothing, I might add) all you pot smoking little freaks espouse. From now on, at the state and national level, I will never vote Libertarian again, unless you clean up your act and get your heads out of your asses.

Two things for you to remember for the next election cycle:

1. Americans are sick and tired of hearing your juvenile bullshit about the War on Drugs. Put it on the back burner and find some issues and/or principles that resonate with the average voter, or give it up and disband the party.

2. Get serious about the War on Terror, realize that we are in the middle of World War 4, or shut up and go home. We average joes and janes are sick and fucking tired of your juvenile Sept. 10 attitude towards life and death matters. Get serious or get out.

[Dave Perkins]

That flu vaccine thing could have been handled a lot better by Bush.. it is absolutely true that American companies don't make this stuff anymore because of the risk of lawsuits. Flu vaccine is, after all, a weakened version of the flu virus, given so that our immune systems can develop the antibodies without the risk of the full strength virus.. but the vaccine nevertheless makes some people sick. If one person died because of the flu vaccine, the maker would be crushed by the inevitable lawsuit. The ambulance-chasing John Edwards types have made it necessary for us to "outsource" this stuff. Can't blame that on Bush.

[Dave Perkins]

That flu vaccine thing could have been handled a lot better by Bush.. it is absolutely true that American companies don't make this stuff anymore because of the risk of lawsuits. Flu vaccine is, after all, a weakened version of the flu virus, given so that our immune systems can develop the antibodies without the risk of the full strength virus.. but the vaccine nevertheless makes some people sick. If one person died because of the flu vaccine, the maker would be crushed by the inevitable lawsuit. The ambulance-chasing John Edwards types have made it necessary for us to "outsource" this stuff. Can't blame that on Bush.

[Dave Perkins]

That flu vaccine thing could have been handled a lot better by Bush.. it is absolutely true that American companies don't make this stuff anymore because of the risk of lawsuits. Flu vaccine is, after all, a weakened version of the flu virus, given so that our immune systems can develop the antibodies without the risk of the full strength virus.. but the vaccine nevertheless makes some people sick. If one person died because of the flu vaccine, the maker would be crushed by the inevitable lawsuit. The ambulance-chasing John Edwards types have made it necessary for us to "outsource" this stuff. Can't blame that on Bush.

[Dave Perkins]

That flu vaccine thing could have been handled a lot better by Bush.. it is absolutely true that American companies don't make this stuff anymore because of the risk of lawsuits. Flu vaccine is, after all, a weakened version of the flu virus, given so that our immune systems can develop the antibodies without the risk of the full strength virus.. but the vaccine nevertheless makes some people sick. If one person died because of the flu vaccine, the maker would be crushed by the inevitable lawsuit. The ambulance-chasing John Edwards types have made it necessary for us to "outsource" this stuff. Can't blame that on Bush.

[Andrew]

Um, so why is it bad to mention that Mary Cheney is a Lesbian. Is that something that everyone should feel sorry for her family about? Should she be ashamed? If someone told you that your daughter couldn't get married to whomever she wanted, wouldn't you tell them to go f*** themselves?

[joe]

Even I cringed when Kerry brought up Mary Cheney. In the VP debate, the moderator brought it up, so she was fair game, but Kerry just dragged his opponent's daughter's sex life into the debate unprompted. Points off.

As far as I could tell, though, that was really his only bad spot.

[submandave]

Libertarian: "So I think, since I can't vote for Kerry, I'm going to support the libertarian this year. Oh well. Four years of Kerry then we can get a real president better than either of these guys."

When will you big-L Libertarians learn that the best long-term strategy for getting a true party of limited government into play is to support the Republicans to the demise of the Democrats. The past 20+ years have shown that the more successfull Republicans are the more radical the Democrats become. This has driven so many traditional Democrat voters (e.g. "neo-cons") to the Republican party. In reality, the Republicans today are, for the most part, the Democrats of 40 years ago. As the Democrat party becomes more marginalized it allows the schism of the small government/fiscal responsibility wing of the Republicans from the ever-growing government-funded morality wing.

As long as the Democrats remain a viable party on the national level, fear of their ascendendancy will prevent a critical mass of small-l libertarians from leaving the Republicans.

[Kevin Carson]

Lonewacko,

So the existence of government buildings with an agency name on the marquee justifies certain kinds of government action? What kind of argument is that? Good thing there's not a bunch of buildings that say Ministry of Love, Ministry of Truth, and Ministry of Plenty.

As soon as we get the government out of the business of dispensing medical services, we'll get rid of the damn buildings. Or (to borrow imagery from William Morris) take down the names and use them to store manure.

[Joe Majsterski]

I thought the entire city of Washington D.C. was already used for manure storage.

[JDM]

"I thought the entire city of Washington D.C. was already used for manure storage."

Production, possibly.

[Missy]

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