From Abu Ghraib to Guantanamo Bay
The Guardian interviews a veteran of Abu Ghraib:
Torin Nelson, who served as a military intelligence officer at Guant?namo Bay before moving to Abu Ghraib as a private contractor last year, blamed the abuses on a failure of command in US military intelligence and an over-reliance on private firms. He alleged that those companies were so anxious to meet the demand for their services that they sent "cooks and truck drivers" to work as interrogators….
He claimed that "many of the detainees at the prison are actually innocent of any acts against the coalition and are being held until the bureaucracy there can go through their cases and verify their need to be released."…
"I've read reports from capturing units where the capturing unit wrote, 'the target was not at home. The neighbour came out to see what was going on and we grabbed him,'" he said.
According to Mr Nelson's account, the victims' very innocence made them more likely to be abused, because interrogators refused to believe they could have been picked up on such arbitrary grounds.
When you're through digesting that, think about this:
Mr Nelson worked at Guant?namo Bay as a senior interrogator attached to the Utah National Guard. He said that most of the interrogators there were military professionals, but that by the time he left in early 2003, private contractors had begun to arrive.
There is no evidence of abuses on the scale of Abu Ghraib being committed at Guant?namo Bay, but Mr Nelson said that like the Iraqi jail, it was packed with innocent people, who are only now being released.
"Mistakes were made and people who should never have been sent there ended up there, and it's taken this amount of time to get people to take the decision to get these people out of there," Mr Nelson said.
"All it takes is the signature of a low ranking NCO to send someone right around the world and have them locked up indefinitely but it takes the signature of the secretary of defence to let them go."
Footnote: I Googled Nelson to see what else I could find about him. There's not a lot out there -- but there is this.
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In reference to an earlier thread, there was a question about how many times this issue was looked at internally by the military before coming to light on '60 Minutes', etc. Taguba's was the military's third investigation.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118955,00.html
I am outraged there wasn't an immediate functioning justice system in Iraq after the war!
I'm outraged at the horrible things done to the many innocent man and women in my name and with my tax money.
I'm outraged that there appears to be only a barely functioning justice system right here in the U.S.
you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
I am outraged there wasn't an immediate functioning justice system in the US Military before, during and after the Iraq war.
I suppose the Guardian didn't think the fact that Nelson is a passionate Howard Dean supporter and a long term member of the far left wasn't relevant to his criticisms.
That aside he does makes some good observations, assuming these just aren't anecdotes. I image we do have rather severe problems with interrogator man power since we have never had to process this many people who weren't formal soldier before.
It IS possible to cook eggs without scrambling them, Uncle Joe...
Shannon Love,
Oh no! Someone holds a political position you don't like. Shame on them.
I wonder where all the comments concerning the "upbringing" of these assholes are? When "Taliban John" was captured everyone went into a frenzy about how "dangerous" California is. Where are all the remarks concerning how "dangerous" West Virginia is? 🙂
I am outraged that my hair is turning grey and that my belly sticks out further than my wang, but what does outrage get me?
It seems that those in power in Washington are unaware of the fact that the Arab pride and dignity are something very precious and that only bloody revenge will bring the victims peace. Accordingly, the day of reckoning will be a hard one... the US must brace itself for more violent acts of retaliation. Families and relatives of the humiliated victims will not rest until they get their revenge on the culprits and their associates. As a revange, I belive More Americans will be killed and might be burned across the Medeast ...
Anti-Bush:
They all hate us anyway so let's drop the big one now.
People aren't eggs, and I hate omelets anyway.
But why don't they hate the Chinese? Why don't they hate Canadians? ....etc
Search for the Government?s policy in the Med east ..
Really Cool Blog, Thank you for such a wonderful job.
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