OK to Drive
A New Mexico legislator has introduced a bill that would tackle drunk driving by requiring an ignition interlock device in every new or used car that changes hands in the state. Before a you could start up the car, and periodically while you were driving, you'd have to prove you were not intoxicated by blowing into a tube. "Imagine that we technologically prevent someone from driving while drunk because the car just won't start," says the bill's sponsor, Rep. Ken Martinez (D-Grants). "Imagine how much money would we save."
A whole lot, I guess, assuming that it costs nothing to retrofit every car in the state. While we're at it, why not add a tube for urine so the car can do a battery of drug tests? And what about fatigue, a major contributor to traffic accidents? Perhaps every car should be equipped with a retractable rod that would periodically poke the driver to make sure he's alert.
Or maybe the car could just say to you, over and over, "Ken Martinez is writing legislation." That would keep me awake.
[Thanks to George Passantino for the link.]
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Is it illegal to advocate assasination of politicians who introduce this kind of stuff?
Just wondering.
uh, no.
this breathalyzer thingy seems...fucking insane. especially in order to keep the car going...what happens when it shuts down in the middle of a freeway?
i've never seen this shit in ny, so i'm assuming this is a state by state west coast thing?
With the cost of monthly recalibration mentioned earlier in this thread, this crazy thing might just get passed.
"If they think they can legislate personal decisions, then they obviously think they own our lives."
Um, why is driving while drunk a personal decision? I thought the basic maxim was you have the right to do what wish so long as you don't hurt anyone. I see no way to justify the right to drive drunk under this maxim - yes, most of the time you won't hurt anyone, but what happens when someone does get killed?
Here's an url to a manufacturer's site.
http://www.acs-corp.com/interloc.htm#
This is actually a pretty fair practice of private business helping solve a law enforcement problem and making a buck as well. Its best application is to use it in place of license revocation, even (and especially) after multiple revocations since those guys, not the .08 crowd, are the highest risk.
I thought the basic maxim was you have the right to do what wish so long as you don't hurt anyone. I see no way to justify the right to drive drunk under this maxim - yes, most of the time you won't hurt anyone, but what happens when someone does get killed?
How do you justify the right to drive at all, then? Every time you get behind the wheel of a car, you're running a risk of killing other people. Yet most people would consider banning driving -- because of that ever-present risk -- a dramatic overreaction.
I'm not totally opposed to Jacob's urine tube idea.
Yeah, attach a vacuum pump to the urine tube and driving could be very interesting.
Or so I've heard... 🙂
Of course, if someone had told MADD and the other neo-prohibitionsts that this is where the interlock things was going, they would have been dismissed as extremists who support drunk driving.
Also, what is the threshold for the car not starting for us non-DUI having folk? I understand that the ones attached to the cars of persons "convicted" of DUI usually have low thresholds and that's somewhat of a non-issue for them because they generally have conditions of relase that specify no drinking.
But, what about me? I have no DUIs, will it start if I'm .02?
I also wonder what they plan on doing about all the false positives that plague current breath testing equipment. Gasoline, cologne, even anti-freeze vapor can all trigger alcohol detection systems.
And we should all be prepared for the day when the new and complex point of failure that we've added to our cars does just that.
I'm obviously anti-drug prohibition, but I'm all about the drunk driving laws.
If you can't enjoy alcohol without putting other people at very legitimate risk, you should stop using it.
I had to 11 years ago for that very reason.
This is already being done to the cars of people on probation for DUI. There was a story a couple years ago of a man who had his daughter blow into the tube when he was drunk. They he drove off with her in the passenger seat, got into an accident, and killed her.
Periodically while driving? Like that's not going to be a distraction? I can see it now: "Drunk driving doesn't kill people, the Martinez Bill kills people." Besides which, after reading a little bit about breathalyzers, I don't see what's to stop someone from just blowing some warm air into the tube to get a guaranteed non-drunk reading. Maybe there are more sophisticated ones that look for things other than alcohol (so they can tell if they're getting a real human breath) but it looks like most work on a pretty simple method that only detects alcohol vapor concentration.
I'm thinking more like a proctological shock device for cell-phone chatters, but that's just me.
Due to a series of bad judgements in my earlier years (I no longer drink at all), I had the misfortune to have one of these interlocks ordered for me by the state. They require a deep and prolonged blast of breath every ten minutes. Once a month, you must have them "recalibrated" at a cost of $40. My dad, who was sixty-five at the time, would borrow my truck occasionally to do some chores, and would frequently suffer dizzy spells from the effort to obtain a reading from this device. Anyone with any kind of breathing problem will be unable to drive these vehicles for any length of time.
After taking my well-deserved lumps for my stupidity, I can see the need to fight drunk driving, but I cannot see the need to impose the cost and dangers associated with these devices.
One of the most obvious dangers being the fact that when you first attempt to start the car, you must wait up to a minute and a half for the device to be "ready" to take a reading for you to breathe into it. If you must start your car in a hurry, you are SOL.
Man, you would be fucked if you had to get away from Jason.
requiring an ignition interlock device in every new or used car that changes hands in the state.
Meanwhile, car dealers in AZ and TX are lobbying fervently for the bill's passage...
"Hey Baby, I'll pay you $20 to BLOW on this! Oh yeah, thats it, harder, harder, just a little longer, oh...oh...oh, yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhh, now you got me started!"
One man's foolish dream, destined to fail miserably. Though if this sort of thing catches on, be ready for some sort of pupil dilation ignition interlock device. Or a few more years down the road, we can have an implanted chip that transmits information about blood alcohol level (heck, that little thing could even assay for relative levels of certain hormones to assess whether you're too tired to drive!). And really, it's all good so long as it's only used on people who have proven that they can't control themselves.
Well, yes, all that and there are likely easy means to defeat this procedure. "Breath in a jar?" 🙂
Drive car to Arizona. Pull into Hal's Big House of Interlock Removal. Drive home.
I'm thinking of moving there to open up a mechanic's garage. Just think, I'd be one of the first people there in time to catch the new black market wave--specializing in disabling interlocks! For a reasonable fee, of course.
As my moonshinin' grandfather always says "There's no problem so bad that government can't make worse."
These legislators are just chicken! If they really want to encourage "good" driving practices, they should mandate the suggestion I heard a couple of years ago on some libretarian site:
"Every car shall have a steel spike, not less than 6" in length, mounded in the center of the Driver's Side SRS, with its point towards the driver.
All State maintained highways and roads shall have a minimum speed of 45 mph, with the maximum speed left to the discretion of the driver.
It shall be a Class A felony, with a minimum term of 5 years, for any person to remove, alter, or modify the Driver's Caution Spike."
If they think they can legislate personal decisions, then they obviously think they own our lives.
>There was a story a couple years ago of a man who had his daughter blow into the tube when he was drunk. They he drove off with her in the passenger seat, got into an accident, and killed her.
I don't think he died.
>>I hope they were buried together!
>
>I don't think he died.
Even better:)
All the US deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan so far,
would have to continu year after year, for a lifetime,
to equal the number of auto deaths in ONE year in the US.
Now what would be wrong with saving as many lives as possible,
one of which could be your child, your mother's?
I'm for on board black boxes which record speed and location.
I'm for bottom side vehicle bar codes to clock speed
from point to point and issuance of tickets by mail.
I'm for the driver being responsible and accountable,
and the measures necessary to determine that happens,
as long as it happens on public highways.
That's the only thing that'll stop me!
"I'm for on board black boxes which record speed and location. I'm for bottom side vehicle bar codes to clock speed from point to point and issuance of tickets by mail. I'm for the driver being responsible and accountable, and the measures necessary to determine that happens,
....."
I had thought dj of Raleigh was a decent libertarian till this. You never know when people will go all statist apeshit on ya.
Ever try to discuss or argue something with a drunk?
A man should drink at home, then stay at home.
Once you've got the engine started the interlock device will warn you of the requirement to provide another sample. Generally they are set to give the driver 10 minutes to safely pull off the road and accomplish this task while PARKED. There is no danger of the engine being disabled while the vehicle is in traffic unless the driver is a moron (or drunk again). Interlock devices as part of regaining the privilege of driving is fine by me. If you don't like the idea, don't drive drunk, stupid. As for 'black boxes', many high end cars, and most GM vehicles, already have electronic data recorders. This is a new area of law in terms of who owns the info. recorded by such a device prior to an accident. You have been warned folks.
> I had thought dj of Raleigh was a decent libertarian till this.
My two cents on this. First, I was on an Interlock program and would have been better off with the three month suspension. I'll admit that I was wrong to operate a motor vehicle while under the influence and served my 40+ days on a work release program. Second, these programs are expensive since you have to pay for the installation and the monthly "recalibration" ($70 per month) which is little more than the place that installed the whoppie whistle as I called it beaming back to the mothership about your driving. Things like date and time and what your BAC was at the time. By the way, to answer someone's earlier question about at what level does these gizmos go off, it's .02. Brush your teeth with the wrong toothpaste and you're hosed. Stay home at night and have some wine in the privacy of your own home and you're not going to work on time. Three consecutive failures and your system (and your auto) are disabled. Mine was not set to go off at pre-determined intervals, it was random. My truck at the time was a standard shift and if you think driving with a cell phone in one hand and a coffee in another is a hazard try going through traffic with a hand on the shift and that gadget blaring off. You actually have to make a humming sound while blowing out for appoxiamtely 8 seconds and if you have any sort of breathing problem forget about it.
I'm am in favor of keep the roads safe from drunken, impaired or dangerous drivers. However this is just one more poke from the government to get into our lives and another cottage industry in the name of public safety.
Moral of the story, of you want to have a responsible drink stay home.
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