Abe Rosenthal, Recovering Pothead
A strange little column by Abe Rosenthal, headlined "I Kicked the Habit" in the Daily News and "Deadly Drug Demon" in The Washington Times, offers a partial explanation for his incoherent vehemence on the subject of drugs. Rosenthal—whose greatest contribution to journalism may have been helping to answer the question, "How boring do you have to be to lose a slot on the New York Times op-ed page?"—confesses that he was a youthful pothead:
I was only a youngster at the time, but I still remember, to the precise moment, the day many decades ago when some rich kids who lived near a lush New York public garden offered some friends and me a fistful of smokes. Their cigarettes turned out to be marijuana--strong enough to twist a life. Or ruin it.
Often the boys smoked enough to supply themselves with days and weeks of throwing up, but I can't remember seeing girls with a joint in their hands or lips. But then, that was a different time.
I turned out to be a short-time pot addict. I cannot testify now how much I smoked or for how long or what those few days of smoking pot did to me. All I remember is that I smoked until I vomited.
The others smoked as long as they could stand it--some a few days, some a month, some a lifetime.
Rosenthal says he gave up the habit by the time he went abroad as a foreign correspondent for the Times. But I guess all that pot-induced vomiting left a bad taste in his mouth.
It's a bit of a puzzle how Rosenthal and his friends managed to induce vomiting with a drug well-known for enhancing appetite and alleviating nausea. But the most interesting question he raises is this one: "Why am I writing this column?" I suspect no one really knows.
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I must admit, I once vomited right after taking a puff, of course, I had also drank about 10 beers before hand. But I did vomit, right after smoking!
I'll second that. The only time I'd ever puked after smoking was when I was already throughly drunk. But then I can make that happen if I smoke a few cigs as well, being as I'm not a smoker.
And this guy claims he was addicted for a _few days_ ? The first few days he had ever tried it no less! Then he quits... after a few days... and somehow that was an addiction?
Hrm, why did he write that article?
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He probably rolled his blunt crappily an' choked on some buds that fell out into his mouth. That's about the only way I can think of where weed would make you barf.
I was also a little confused about all the vomiting.
"I was only a youngster at the time, but I still remember, to the precise moment, the day many decades ago when some rich kids who lived near a lush New York public garden offered some friends and me a fistful of smokes."
Well now, this statement bucks both stereotypical trends that suggests pot smoking leads to memory loss and a "drug pusher" is an underprivledged, urban decay, black male.
"I turned out to be a short-time pot addict."
Unless there was a recent scientific breakthrough that I'm unaware of, marijuana is still thought NOT to be addictive. And, if that's the case, it would make Rosenthal an infinitesimally short-short term pot addict, wouldn't it?
P.S. I suspect this story may be fabricated not only because of problems with points of fact (vomiting rather than coughing, addictive rather than non-addictive) but also because the manner in which he was LED to use.
"I was only a youngster at the time, but I still remember, to the precise moment, the day many decades ago when some rich kids who lived near a lush New York public garden offered some friends and me a fistful of smokes."
Notice it was "rich" kids who lived near a "lush" whatever. No, it wasn't minorities or the poor, it was wealthy people who exploited me as a child. This sounds like something that Jayson Blair would write.
And my B.S. detector is going off like crazy.
P.P.S. And it he still remembers the event, decades after smoking all that ganga, then either he was getting some really crappy weed or he's full of crap.
P.P.P.S. I grew up in a pretty nice neigborhood, and who ever heard of GIVING away a fistful of smokes?
I'd be smoking pot and using other drugs as well if I had a schmuck father like him -- who wants to send his own kids to jail to smoking pot -- tough love I guess -- what a horrible writer -- the op-ed was about drugs and it was boring -- thats hard to do...I'm rambling ummm...
Yeah, where are these places where youngsters are passing out handfuls of pot?
>> ...rich kids who lived near a lush New York
>> public garden offered some friends and me a
>> fistful of smokes. Their cigarettes turned out
>> to be marijuana--strong enough to twist a
>> life. Or ruin it.
Uh, if he never had pot before and hasn't had it since, how does he know it was marijuana at all? And why would anyone, rich or not, give away a fistful of joints? Maybe those rich kids decided to have some fun at the expense of the poor losers and gave them, say, dried banana peels. Now I know for a fact dried banana peels will make you throw up when you smoke them. "Mellow yellow" my ass.
A fistful of smokes? Dude, no one rolls that many joints in advance unless they're selling them one at a time. But these rich kids were giving them away, apparently having nothing better to do than ensnare other kids in the web of addiction.
Totally bogus. Not even a plausible fiction.
On the vomiting... there have been a few times when smoking weed gave me intense nausea (no alcohol or other drugs involved). It always happenned after the first toke or two, lasted for a couple minutes, then passed completely and didn't come back. I didn't inhale any tiny bits of the stuff, and I never puked, but I each time I felt on the verge of puking... it was very intense nasea. I've never heard of anyone else experiencing this though, so I guess I'm just special:) Or maybe the stuff I got had some... addittitives; it occured with several different batches, but all from the same supplier.
"And it he still remembers the event, decades after smoking all that ganga,"
Weed doesn't impare my ability to form long-term memories much, if at all. I have very vivid memories of times when I was high... especially visual memories.
Nobody here has been given a fistful of smokes before? You must hang out with the wrong crowd. Where I live any normal day usually finds me receiving a fistful of smokes from some rich kids, right after getting a fistful of money from some suit on the street.
Must be something in the air...
Xboy wrote: Dude, no one rolls that many joints in advance unless they're selling them one at a time.
Obviously, Xboy has never went on vacation with me, man!
I do hereby nominate Mr. Rosenthal for the Jayson Blair Award for the most obviously fabricated story of the year. Of course the year is young. Those good folks at "The Paper of Record" will probably furnish us with many more obvious fabrications before the year is out.
Question. Where was the Ombudsman who was supposed to prevent this sort of garbage?
They could have given him oregeno. That happened to my friend's little brother once. It's a bit like smoking a pizza.
Of course, even then, he had to pay for the stuff. No one was handing out fistfuls of even useless stuff.
Should have kicked his ass for making us smoke that stuff.
-dlc-
He sounds like this retarded kid back in high school that the class dealer used to sell bags of oregano to. (I bet he did a lot of vomiting after smoking.)
To the well-healed Pushers at H&R:
I'll face you ALL with the love of our children.
Now stop having so much funsy at my expense.
-AM-
I should hasten to add that he loaded the bowl before I saw what it was...no, I am not retarded...
-dlc-
Yeah, my first reaction was "someone sold him oregano".
My favorite line:
I cannot testify now how much I smoked or for how long or what those few days of smoking pot did to me
I like how he forgets how long he smoked, then remembers that it was a few days, all in the same sentence. Now that's what I call short-term memory loss.
Oregano or banana peels, maybe, but it was more likely just tobacco. "Yeah dude, it's marijuana, have a handful of joints for you and your friends. Chuckle, chuckle." There would be a fair amount of nausea and vomitting if a group of kids who hadn't smoked before started off with a handful of handrolled cigs, even if they were passing them around.
chong: Or home for the holidays!
Abt those rich kids handing out puke-pot: Abe was born in 1922, if I'm not mistaken, so he was "a kid" in the thirties, maybe things were different back then... Yup, oregano.
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With all this oregano talk going on, I think I should say that the stuff that nauseated me was definitely not oregano. I know what oregano looks and smells like. Weed really does seem to hit me somewhat differently than it does other people. For example, it does not make me hungry, and it tends to give me visual distortions (and low-level hallucinations) that other people don't seem to experience much.
The fact that he says weed made him puke suggests the possibility that he wasn't smoking weed, but it's hardly conclusive proof. The article is idiotic whether the guy actually smoked weed or not.
Andy D is either a pussy or someone did spike his oregano!
This is pretty ironic, since the first drug column I ever read by Abe Rosenthal made me vomit.
Andy:
While drugs affect everybody in different ways, I've never heard of nausea and visual hallucinations being common. Sounds more like mushrooms...Maybe you need to swing by OR for some of the sweet stuff...
As for Abe, I bet a lot of those old Burns and Gracie rountines were far more intersting when stoned.
-dlc-
Well, I consider myself more enlightened now that I know Abe can't hold his smoke. I treasure personal horror stories like this, where presumably I as an adult am supposed to feel ashamed because he as a child couldn't stop hitting the j when he was high enough.
Goddamned weak-willed pansies.
Drugs must be faced. Let's face them with the law.
LOL...Abe is still smoking.
dlc, I guess my reactions are uncommon then... I knew that. As for the hallucinations... I don't know if they really were technically hallucinations... the time they were strongest a few things happenned: at one point, just for half a second, I thought I saw my friend in two places at the same time (the false image was a trick of the light bouncing off a big brown pillow, but it was unnerving); and whenever I would close my eyes, I would "see" a lot of strange dream-like imagery. I've never experienced anything like that with any other stuff, but I always get fascinating visual distortions (e.g., the prostitues in Amsterdam looked like moving mannequins... very strange). I've never tried shrooms or any other real hallucinogen so my reference frame is rather limited.
As for the nausea... it really was only associated with stuff I got from a particular friend of mine on a few different occasions; but he didn't seem to experience the same thing.
Libertarians are always going on about how problems that need to be faced should be faced by individuals acting freely, rather than by the government. I say it's time to put your money where your mouth is.
Do we have an volunteers willing to step up and face drugs, freely and acting of their own volition?
Joe,
Your first comment was pretty damn funny. As for this:
"Do we have an volunteers willing to step up and face drugs, freely and acting of their own volition?"
I face drugs every time I am at Walgreens to buy cold medicine.
No, really though, yes I do some work with a drug and alcohol treatment facility and I would assume that others do the same. Just because you don't believe drugs should be outlawed, doesn't neccesarily mean you can't recognize and try to help with the consequenses of abuse.
Just a thought....
dlc
I've definitely gotten very nauseous, as in run-to-a-receptacle-just-in-case nauseous, a few times. Widely separated in time, and in each case in company of others who weren't similarly effected, so it's me, not the pot.
I suspect it's probably more common in novice, once-in-a-blue-moon smokers, like myself.
It wasn't a *persistent* nausea. It came on while inhaling deeply, and dissipated soon after. It wasn't a component of the high itself.
It may just be a reaction to the manner in which the smoke was inhaled.
I'm not a tobacco smoker, so it's possible that I'd have the same reaction to tobacco smoke, under the same circumstances.
It was a libertoid-pothead joke, dlc. I'll file it under "resounding thud."
Isn't Abe about 80 years old at this point? He must have been 'smoking with that reefer man' back when the wild Negroes were conking their hair. What a hepcat.
It _is_ possible to be _allergic_ to pot. Allergic reactions take lots of forms. I knew a kid in college who was allergic to pot... he was trying to get the school to pay for off-campus housing because he was having so much trouble in the dorms.
What a hoot.
For the record, I used to vomit from time to time when smoking pot.
Not to be one of those potheads who refuses to blame pot for anything, but I think eating the pizza, box of mac n' cheese, pint of Ben and Jerry's, and half a bag of gummy bears in one sitting might have had something to do with the occasional upset tummy.
No longer a toking amateur, I can control my munchies and haven't vomited sinse the last time I ran a marathon.
Make that 'since.'
I almost asphyxiated while reading this thing because of the difficulty of breathing while laughing. Abe's column has the power to twist a life... or ruin it.
"(e.g., the prostitues in Amsterdam looked like moving mannequins... very strange)"
they always looked like that to me. terribly creepy way to sell sexual services, blacklit undergarment hawkers.
i knew someone who would break out in hives up and down her arms if she was around pot smoke too long.
"It's a bit like smoking a pizza."
Sort of cutting out the middle man.
Andy D, you are not alone. I dated a girl who heard voices in her head for up to 2 weeks after toking. She is an architect who needed "creative inspiration" from time to time. However....coo coo, coo coo!
As for poor old Abe, the voices never stopped!
"i've heard of visual hallucinations, but it usually takes a LOT."
Some people are naturally prone to get conditions like schizophrenia, and is some small subset of this group, marijuana will intensify the symptoms quite a bit.
So if you are prone to get schizophrenia but not schizophrenic, you may get distortions, or visual or audatory hallucinations. This is because the non-existance schizophrenia you are prone to starts to materialize while high. If you hear voices after smoking pot, or get visual distortions from it, you will want to be very careful choosing to use drugs, because it's a sign that you are prone to schizophrenia, and to much could cause a psychotic episode.
i've heard of visual hallucinations, but it usually takes a LOT.
the story definetly has some inconsistencies, my favorite being the intra-sentence memory loss mentioned above.
Perhaps young Abe was in the habit of offering sexual favors to these rich kids - he doesn't remember girls with filthy weed in their paws because there were no females present.
That would explain the whole thing. Well, the free pot and the tummy troubles...
My name is Bill W. and I'm an alcoholic. I remember the day I became an alcoholic. I was doing yardwork with a buddy at his parent's house. We were sixteen. After a couple hours in the hot sun, his dad came out with a couple of beers. Real Canadian beer you understand, not that sissy American stuff. I was hooked right away. I must have drank at least 2 more that day. I was out of control. Then I went home, and quit cold turkey. The next weekend I resisted, but the following weekend was labor day, and I was weak. School started and I managed to kick the habit until the following summer.
Your all forgetting Rosenthal's age. He's talking somewhere between 1935-1940, in New York City. Acquaintances from his age group and locale tell me cannabis was plentiful and cheap in New York Highs Schools, usually pre-rolled and of what nowadays is considered low quality, mostly leaf. Hence the "fistfull of joints" in Rosenthal's account.
So he really is smoking a lot to get an effect. And if one of those joints is tainted, say by an insect, or mildew or mold,
and he's huffing it down, he could indeed gag and vomit.
For this generation, supply, and retail channels were disrupted during the war. I've known a few from that culture who gave up smoking not so much by choice as by lack of acceess, to resume by asking their kids for pot in the late 60s.
Does Rosenthal's experience support Prohibition? Of course not. If you don't check your tomatoes before eating you'll eventually grab a moldy one. Health Lesson. Buy intact flowers, not pre-rolled. Examine and smell before smoking. You're talking fresh produce here, not an industrial product.
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