Happy St. Pat's, Saddam

March 17 is the new deadline. For something.

Comments

[James]

But is it his LAST CHANCE? Or the chance before the last chance?

[Warren]

Could be the day Bush decides to start the bombing hoping everyone will already be too bombed to notice.

[Anonymous]

This oughta get the Protestants AND the Catholics on our side.

[Steve]

I say we'ver appeased Saddam enough. He'll hit the mideast and Europeans first before he becomes a major threat to us. Shit, bring the kids and toys home and we'll worry about it after the rest of the world is a smoldering ruins.

[Greg]

Steve you can tell that to the Americans who live there.

[Neb Okla]

Hmmm... 10 days?

Exactly the amount of time we estimate it will take to unload the 101st Airbornes boats and helicopters from the ships that *were* headed for Turkey.

For something indeed!

[joe]

If the hawks were smart, they'd support this. The reason Bush can't get authorization now is because there are no definite action points, and now specific criteria for assigning failure. A resolution that doies both will get the wobbly countries on board, while allowing their leaders to go back to their anti-war populace (in virtually every country) and claim credibly that they didn't "choose" war.

[Dan]

If the hawks were smart, they'd support this.

Which "hawks" don't? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Ann Coulter and Michael Savage don't, but they're pretty much the loony fringe. Hawks support this resolution for the simple reason that it finally sets a deadline for getting this whole charade over with.

I don't think any amount of delay, or any setting of specific conditions, will bring the "anti-war" folks on board, though. Resolution 1441 set specific conditions, after all, and even though those conditions have been met there's been no visible sign that the "anti-war" nations who endorsed 1441 are willing to acknowledge it. All signs point to the "anti-war" side of the UN being utterly, unalterably opposed to any specific trigger conditions for war.

[Scott]

Let us all hope that a resolution is proposed and is voted down. It could finally signal the death of the UN. That would truly be a happy day.

[Jim N]

I don't know that I would be so happy about the end of the UN. It might be replaced by a world gov't that actually works! Is that what we want?

[Scott]

Yes, that is certianly a good reason to keep the UN going. 😐

[Lefty]

Hate to be redundant but what the heck:

VIETNAM 2 PREFLIGHT CHECK
1. Cabal of oldsters who won?t listen to outside advice? Check.
2. No understanding of ethnicities of the many locals? Check.
3. Imposing country boundaries drawn in Europe, not by the locals? Check.
4. Unshakeable faith in our superior technology? Check.
5. France secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.
6. Russia secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.
7. China secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.
8. SecDef pushing a conflict the JCS never wanted? Check.
9. Fear we?ll look bad if we back down now? Check.
10. Corrupt Texan in the WH? Check.
11. Land war in Asia? Check.
12. Right unhappy with outcome of previous war? Check.
13. Enemy easily moves in/out of neighboring countries? Check.
14. Soldiers about to be dosed with *our own* chemicals? Check.
15. Friendly fire problem ignored instead of solved? Check.
16. Anti-Americanism up sharply in Europe? Check.
17. B-52 bombers? Check.
18. Helicopters that clog up on the local dust? Check.
19. In-fighting among the branches of the military? Check.
20. Locals that cheer us by day, hate us by night? Check.
21. Local experts ignored? Check.
22. Local politicians ignored? Check.
23. Locals used to conflicts lasting longer than the USA has been a country? Check.
24. Against advice, Prez won?t raise taxes to pay for war? Check.
25. Blue water navy ships operating in brown water? Check.
26. Use of nukes hinted at if things don?t go our way? Check.
27. Unpopular war? Check.

Vietnam 2, you are cleared to taxi

[Sean]

I thought Afghanistan was Vietnam2. Maybe Iraq is Vietnam3 or Vietnam2.1, take your pick. But as we saw in Vietnam2, everything has sped up in this fast food age. Even the protests had to get a head start before the main battle begins, there just won't be much time before it's over. Damn kids, no patience these days.

[Greg]

Ok! So you appeasenicks don't like war... we get the fucking picture already. BUT FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, HAVE SOME FUCKING COMPASSION FOR THE IRAQI PEOPLE!

Everyday that goes by where you anti-war idoits keep Saddam in power is another day that you let him imprison more innocent civilians, murder more political dissidents, rape their families, and kill more than the 200,000 that he already has killed.

So you don't like war and you probably hate the United States and Bush too, but at least recognize that we we're going to do in Iraq will be a miracle for them.

[Robert Hutchinson]

"Everyday that goes by where you anti-war idoits keep Saddam in power is another day that you let him imprison more innocent civilians, murder more political dissidents, rape their families, and kill more than the 200,000 that he already has killed."

How many days did Bush let go by? About 230? January 20 through September 11, 2001? What a bastard.

"So you don't like war and you probably hate the United States and Bush too, but at least recognize that we we're going to do in Iraq will be a miracle for them."

What you're *going* to do? You mean, you're not over there right now, hunting for Saddam? What are you waiting for? You obviously have no compassion whatsoever for the Iraqi people.

[Steve]

Robert,
Where's your outrage over the time the Clinton administration's time wasted without attacking Iraq? 6 years? Why aren't you calling him a bastard?

That's the intellectual dishonesty I was talking about.

[Steve]

Greg:

This isn't about war for the left. It's all about Bush. They hate him because he beat their boy fair and square in the 200 election and they can't get over it. They need to get a grip on our electoral system. It's not "one man, one vote". And the only one weho tried to steal the election was Gore. THE LAW was followed in Florida. It's that simple. Gore tried to circumvent the law through a state supreme court packed with DEMOCRATS. Then they got whipped in the '02 elections and they can't get over that. What's the best way for them? Demonize the enemy. The domestic enemy is more important to them than any foreign enemy because they hate our system.

At least the anti-war libertarians here are intellectually honest about their stand. The Left isn't.

[Anonymous]

The absurdity of Robert's argument is so patently ridiculous that I'm surprised you dignified it with a response.

[Lefty]

The Dems don't have to do a thing. As usual, the Republicans are screwing themselves.

What is it with these guys that they just can't govern?

[Robert Hutchinson]

The absurdity of Robert's argument was intentional. He's not surprised that it received the preceding two responses, though.

[Steve]

Robert clearly needs lessons in writing absurdity and satire. Looked alot like "ad hominems" to me.

[joe]

See, Robert, this is why the Right has the advantage in politics; they're so much more obedient. A few conservative opinion leaders declare "the death of irony," and poof! these people can't understand what you're talking about. If women, union members, and environmentalists were this disciplined, we'd never lose another election.

[Steve]

Joe:

If the left had a message that was something other than "Right=Bad", you'd never lose another election. Try coming up with something. Even a little something.

[Robert Hutchinson]

Steve: It should've looked that way, since you put them in there. I only applied your impeccable logic to Bush and yourself, rather than the "anti-war idiots" ("idiots" being the logic term, I presume).

Joe: I'm not so much "left" as "radical free-market anarchist". But thanks for the positive vibe.

[Steve]

Thanks(?) Joe. I'm not sure I used the term "anti-war idiots", tho. OTOH, I'm sure there are some.

[Robert Hutchinson]

Steve: Oops, no, you didn't. Made a bad assumption there. Sorry. Still, 'tweren't my ad hominems.

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