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Live from the LP Convention: Nominating Speeches and the 2008 Candidate

As I walked onto the floor, one delegate ran up to me to gloat. "Did you know that C-Span's got the only cameras here?" he asked. "What about Bob Barr's media frenzy, huh? If he's getting so much attention, where's all the media?"

"The media already thinks he's the nominee," I said.

At the convention tables, the smears have stopped, and the endorsements have arrived. Three Libertarians have distributed letters in support of Bob Barr, and the Ruwart campaign has put out a letter with endorsements from four former LP presidential candidates and two former VP nominees. Well, sort of. Dave Bergland, Andre Marrou, and Tonie Nathan explicitly endorse Ruwart, while Michael Badnarik says she's "pretty, smart, and swings a huge philosophical bat," and Ron Paul appears in the form of his blurb for Healing Our World.

Wayne Allyn Root gets the first speaking slot—last night he promised something "spectacular," and what he provided was a video endorsement from radio host Mancow (a card-carrying Libertarian), an argument for Root's appeal from Manny Klausner, and a tender seconding speech from his daughter Dakota. Root's speech is light on policy, heavy on biography, ending with the story of his mother clinging to life while he rushed to visit her in the hospital. "Wayne is on the way, they kept saying," Root remembered. "When I got to that hospital room I heard the greatest sound I ever heard: Meep, meep, meep. She was still alive!"

Internet problems solved, I should be liveblogging for a while.

10:06: Barr is nominated by two local (one former) LP chairs and Rob Kampia of the Marijuana Policy Project. "Times have changed," Kampia says. "I debated Bob Barr on TV. I testified before his committee. Last year, Bob Barr lobbied for the MPP." The head of Atlas PAC calls Barr's media attention "air supplies being dropped down to the trenches of the candidates."

10:12: Barr gives about as good a speech as he could have. The biggest applause comes when he does what delegates have told me again and again they wanted him to do: Nail himself to the cross and apologize. "I have made mistakes," Barr says. "The only way you make mistakes is by getting in the arena and getting things done."

10:15: In a spot of luck, Barr is followed up by the utterly unserious Christine Smith. She's nominated by a guy who tried to give me the 9/11 Truther Rock Creek Press 10 minutes ago.

10:16: Classy: Smith wears an anti-Barr button onto the podium.

10:20: Smith whines about the party nominating "middle-aged white males" and says it's time for a female candidate. If it's barely working for Ruwart, why does she think it'll work for her?

10:24: Smith bashes the "neo-cons trying to take over this party," meaning Barr and Root. There are wild cheers from some of the people holding Ruwart signs, and even some standing ovations.

10:27: How objective does a reporter have to be about this? Smith has been ranting for 13 minutes and it's time for the hook.

10:33: Ruwart's introductory speaker is accompanied by a slideshow straight out of the alternative Libertarian universe where Ruwart is a superstar. Among her credentials: "Most popular writer on The Advocates e-zine." Her targeted voter groups:
Ron Paul supporters
Alternative medicine advocates
Women
Some overlap there, I think.

10:35: The speaker's pushing the "women want to vote for a woman" argument, and the slideshow is getting even more self-parodying. Oh, so Barr's got all that media attention? Here's a page from the New York Times that mentions her. Here's a copy of a Kalamazoo paper that covers her county commissioner race.

10:39: More from the speakers: "She'll build this party by continuing the Ron Paul Revolution." Barry Hess continues the "Ron Paul" theme, bashing Root and Barr (not by name): "They are the darling of the old media. The new media has Mary."

10:43: Ruwart's speech is surprisingly short, especially coming after the Smith debacle. It's rhetorically clever: A candidate who's benefitting from white-hot rage against the right side of the party calls for unity from all factions.

10:44: The reception for Ruwart is really something. Twice now she's spoken before the assembled LP delegates, and twice she's been solid but unimpressive. (She told some people last night that she regretted not drawing more contrasts with Barr at the debate.) Twice her supporters have remained completely in the tank. The threat of a Barr or Root "takeover" is just too much for them.

10:54: While George Phillies' supporters nominate him for far, far longer than is necessary, let me theorize why, if Barr loses, he will have lost. Obviously, a certain segment of the party was never reachable. But a large, swing vote is gettable for Barr. These voters just want to be convinced he's honest about his conversion and that he's not leading a right-wing coup of the party. A byword for "right-wing coup" is "suit." And Team Barr is an army of dark, shiny suits. Barr's done a good job telling the story of his conversion, but he could have done it with more delegates, diving into hospitality suites, arguing one on one. He needed this more than any candidate, save Root. He's done a lot of it, but we'll see how much is enough.

10:58: Phillies' nominating speakers really underline his links to Outright Libertarians. A heavy emphasis on gay marriage in all their comments, some of it very personal.

11:01: That was truly odd. Phillies' speakers went on for so long that he talked for less than a minute. His campaign is handing out a curious, unmarked CD-rom containing the contact info of LP donors.

11:02: David Nolan nominates Steve Kubby by praising all seven debaters from last night: I hear a coded appeal for calm among Barr and Root haters.

11:04: Well, maybe not. Nolan says Kubby doesn't have to apologize for taking away freedoms... like, you know, some people.

11:20: Russ Verney of the Barr campaign expects a three-way-tie, after the second ballot, between Barr, Ruwart, and Root. They don't believe all of Ruwart's delegates will stick after the first ballot, but nor do they know where the also-ran candidates' votes will go. "No one outside the top three really has the ability to move their delegates as a bloc."

11:25: Michael Jingozian uses his nominating speech time for a video that doesn't exactly scream "128th fastest growing company in America." Or maybe it does.

11:31: There's not a lot of substance in Jingozian's speech. It's the weakness I've seen time and again: He doesn't seem to have a commitment to libertarianism deeper than "let's abolish the stuff that doesn't work."

11:34: Well, that's a nice piece of theater: Jingozian nominates Gravel. I know he's telling his supporters to vote Gravel if he doesn't make it. It's a good fit: These are the two candidates with the most reflexively (accidentally?) liberal values on some tougher issues.

11:41: Gravel might make a powerful, popular LP member in a few years, but boy does he ever not have the jargon down yet. He refers to "you libertarians" and "the miracle you're involved in."

11:44: There's a lot of grumbling from Ruwart backers about Jingozian's move.

11:48: Gravel's giving a hell of a speech, but I have to love the line "the American people are smarter than their leaders: They just don't know it yet!"

11:50: The Barr people just did something stupid. They're doing a Ron Paul-esque march around the hall, in front of C-Span cameras, and it's inspired a wave of heckles and boos. They look, frankly, like assholes. "They're Republicans!" I overhear. "What do you expect?"

11:54: I'm told by Liberty's Andrew Ferguson that Kubby has been approached by basically every candidate as a VP nominee. You've got to love the political poetry of a Barr/Kubby ticket, however unlikely it now seems.

12:24: The TV audience probably has a better seat than me. I've been wondering around for a grasp on what will happen next. Delegate Bill Van Allen is walking the aisles with a Barr sign attached to a Ruwart sign: "Party unity, anybody?" He's arguing that Ruwart will get more attention as Barr's running mate than as the latest in the Marrou-Browne-Badnarik cavalcade o' irrelevance.

12:28: Here comes the state-by-state. Rumor is that Barr will come in third--which could make Root the "mainstream" candidate. He's been telling everybody who'll listen that he's the most popular 2nd choice.

12:34: Everybody's going after Kubby, one of the few candidates who's hinted he'll accept the VP slot. Phillies is probably out.

12:40: In a Libertarian world, there would be no need for endless state party speeches.

12:47: We're heading to a Root-Ruwart lead, with Barr back in third. Root romped in California with 38 votes (we will soon hear) to Ruwart's 20 and Barr's 17.

12:57: Arizona's 8 for Ruwart is pretty week: AZ and Texas have some of the most radical parties. But the support for Ruwart is broad, so she's picking up everywhere. The question is how many of them stay pledged to her.

1:09: Unless there's a huge Jingozian surge, it's a whopping six candidates in the next ballot: Root, Ruwart, Barr, Gravel, Kubby, Phillies.

1:11: A shock: Barr narrowly wins the first round. it's all from delegate replacements.
Barr 153
Ruwart 152
Root 123
Gravel 71
Philies 49
Kubby 41
41 are up for grabs.

1:18: Ruwart's comment: "I'm excited!" Russ Verney says Team Barr is doing what it expected, and waiting for commitments to end after the 2nd ballot.

1:21: Barr on Christine Smith: "I guess I'm not getting her vote."

1:34: The California delegation has voted: Barr gained 4, Root gained 3, and Ruwart stayed at 20 votes. Paul Thompson, the Delawarian who voted for Ron Paul, says he did it "for C-SPAN." He's going for Root now. (I have no problem divulging the "secret ballot" when the man is his entire delegation. You could deduce who he voted for...)

1:37: The second ballot is coming in.
Barr 188
Ruwart 162
Root 138
Gravel 73
Phillies 36
Kubby 32
One vote for none of the above. The Barr vote and Root vote combined is a majority, but don't assume that all Root voters are Barr voters. The anti-Barr vote is very, very strong, and we may start seeing Phillies and Kubby and Gravel voters moving to Ruwart no matter what their candidates say.

1:51: The Barr campaign isn't surprised by the Kubby endorsedment, but they worked for it damn hard. Kubby powerhouse Thomas Knapp is waving a Ruwart sign now, reflecting the endorsement. Barr's people are trying to make up for it by talking to Gravel delegates.

2:06: Overheard Root delegates saying "we'd all get fucked" if "she" led the ticket. Overheard some delegate of unknown provenance asking: "Who wants to be Ruwart's VP?" Sarcastically, I should say.

2:09: Results from the third ballot:
Barr 186
Ruwart 186
Root 146
Gravel 78
Phillies 31
Two votes for none of the above. Barr drops two, Ruwart goes up 24 (2/3 of the Kubby vote), Root goes up eight. Three people who voted in the second ballot didn't vote.

2:14: Worth keeping in mind: Phillies has been incredibly critical of Barr and Ruwart, and his supporters include lots of LGBTs. I expect some movement to Root.

2:16: Phillies speaks, and praises everyone but Barr and Ruwart, as I expected. But: "The enemy is not here. The enemy is out there!" It gets a roaring, screaming ovation. The LaRouche mention was well receieved. (It doesn't happen much these days, but for a while the meme that LaRouche was a libertarian was widespread and really, really irritating.)

2:34: Fourth ballot:
Barr 202
Ruwart 202
Root 149
Gravel 76
It. Never. Stops. The theory that Ruwart's support would peel off after their commitments ended seems to be non-functioning. I have no clue what Gravel will do as he exits the balloting, and I keep asking...

2:38: There's confidence in the Barr camp: They feel they'll get more of the Root vote than Ruwart gets of the Gravel vote.

2:49: I've heard that Gravel voted for Root on this ballot, and that they're gathered in a conference room now pooling their forces. I've seen Barr chatting with Gravel and Ruwart delegates, making the electability case.

2:50: Ran into Wisconsin's Ed Thompson, who says he's supporting Ruwart because "there'll be a lot of disaffected female voters" when Hillary loses. But he'd be happy with Barr.

2:57: Fifth ballot:
Ruwart - 229
Barr - 223
Root - 165
Root will endorse Barr.

3:07: Barr and Root are clustered together, talking to press, acting like they've won. They probably have. Delaware's Ron Paul guy, Paul Thompson, has voted for Barr. "Ruwart, once you look past her answers... they're the simplest things that just don't work."

3:14: Ruwart will endorse Kubby for VP. Get ready for another battle.

3:26: Gravel on why he didn't give a concession speech: "That's not my style." He'll send letters to all of the delegates instead.

3:27: It's all over but the heckling. Ruwart supporters look like they've had their heads shoved underwater: Barr and Root are doing smiley interviews with the national press.

3:30: Bob Barr wins the 2008 Libertarian Party nomination with 324 votes to Ruwart's 276.

4:07: Sorry for the hiatus: I was on C-Span. I'm spending the rest of the day figuring out what the hell Barr and the party are up to next.

4:09: Gotta love AP general knowledge of the LP: "Barr beat research scientist Mary Ruwart, who was the party's presidential nominee in 1983 and vice presidential candidate in 1992." That would have been impressive, if it wasn't totally false.
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Comments to "Live from the LP Convention: Nominating Speeches and the 2008 Candidate":

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 12:20pm | #

Dakota was simply fabulous. And the Mancow surprise was stunning.

Good job Wayne Root campaign!

Brian | May 25, 2008, 12:32pm | #

Smith was disgusting between her gender and race politics and her name calling of other candidates. Not to mention the guy introducing her looked like he crawled out of a hole. Having her on the stage was an embarrassment for the LP.

Jim Ostrowski | May 25, 2008, 12:34pm | #

Barr's speech just now was excellent.

James Madison | May 25, 2008, 12:41pm | #

a pretty smug blog entry. Smith is a very good candidate, and I hope she runs again in 2012. And 9/11 is a great issue for the Libertarians, they have 1000 times more followers than reason magazine.

Brandybuck | May 25, 2008, 12:41pm | #

And the Mancow surprise was stunning.
Before you put him on your Christmas list, Eric, remember that this is the guy who said he wanted to marry Ron Paul during an interview with him.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 12:45pm | #

And the Mancow surprise was stunning.

How the mighty have fallen. From trumpeting pictures of your candidate atop the rubble of the WTC and on the cover of TIME magazine, to holding your breath during an endorsement from a morning radio shock jock, it's been a long and winding road, hasn't it, Herr Dondero?

Brandybuck | May 25, 2008, 12:46pm | #

Now that she has come out of the 9/11 Truther closet, I have to drop all support for Smith. I apologize if my previous endorsement of her took any votes away from the other candidates. The LP needs to move forward, and not to pander to lobotomized.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 12:47pm | #

You're being far too objective, Dave.

These Truthers are just one small step above Holocaust deniers.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 12:48pm | #

Ron Paul is fast becoming the Libertarian version of Ronald Reagan. I like him, but it's getting kind of pathetic.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 12:50pm | #

Dondero was on some other site saying that if the LP didn't nominate Barr or Root, Libertarians for McCain was to start immediately.

I kid you not.

Brandybuck | May 25, 2008, 12:51pm | #

Sleep Dirt | May 25, 2008, 12:51pm | #

The 9/11 Truther thing is a great litmus test for idiocy. When I was a kid, a candidate could go on for 20 minutes before saying something to tip off their Occham's Razor defying conspiracy fabulist ways.

Brandybuck | May 25, 2008, 12:53pm | #

These Truthers are just one small step above Holocaust deniers.
Most Truthere are holocaust deniers. Conspiracies are like Ritz® Crackers. You can't believe just one. Given enough time, any random Truther will end up believing a dozen wacky theories, from Roswell, to the Protocols of Zion, to the Elks Lodge Conspiracy.

William of Okkam | May 25, 2008, 12:59pm | #

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s a conspiracy.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 12:59pm | #

I haven't seen Mancow in years, since I no longer am in the right time zone for Fox & Friends.

I thought he was in the Dennis Miller "I'm a Libertarian but Muslims are Scary" camp? Maybe I'm misremembering his views or he's changed.

Boston | May 25, 2008, 12:59pm | #

Chris Potter, seconded.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 1:01pm | #

Yes, where's the news in that. Of course, Libertarians will be launched shortly if Barr or Root do not win the nomination.

Why should you be surprised?

Give me an argument please why any mainstream libertarian would want to support an Anarchist Leftwinger America-hater like Mary Ruwart for President?

Why would any mainstream libertarian want to support the Pot candidate, or the chic with the red hair who gives and awful speech and has guys she just met and picked up at the convention nominate her before a national C-SPAN audience?

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 1:02pm | #

Of course, I meant to say Libertarians for McCain will be launched. Blogging with an eye on C-SPAN.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 1:03pm | #

Boston,

The Phillies people just did it too! At least they let Ronald Reagan die before Republican candidates who fought against what he was doing started trying to co-opt his popularity.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 1:03pm | #

Ruwart's speech was very weak. I'm feeling more confident now for a Barr or Root nomination. But Kubby could be a wild card?

The other Marijuana guys are supporting Barr. This could get very interesting.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 1:04pm | #

I meant to say Libertarians for McCain will be launched.

Which planet are they being launched to?

NoMoreImportantLibertarianIssue | May 25, 2008, 1:06pm | #

A heavy emphasis on gay marriage in all their comments, some of it very personal.

Boston | May 25, 2008, 1:06pm | #

She seemed to mention him more than anyone else last night too. Does she have some sort of connection with him? Cause it would seem he would have more in common with Barr, barring (ahem) the more virulent anti-war sentiment.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 1:08pm | #

Libertarians for McCain . . . the mother of all oxymorons.

Jennifer | May 25, 2008, 1:09pm | #

The speaker's pushing the "women want to vote for a woman" argument

Trying to overcome the LP's "sausage party" reputation, I see.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 1:10pm | #

11:01: That was truly odd. Phillies' speakers went on for so long that he talked for less than a minute.

I've been flipping back and forth between Indy and C-Span. It seems all the nominators are speaking longer than the nominees. The Kubby introduction has taken long enough to watch a buggler, Jim Neighbor, start your engines, and the warmup laps.

Julian Fondren | May 25, 2008, 1:10pm | #

What do you mean by saying that she's a 'leftwinger'? Or, hell, 'America-hater'?

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 1:15pm | #

Ron Paul - check

Revolution - check

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 1:19pm | #

"I have never seen a candidate with such rock star status as Michael Jingozian"

Did he steal a rough draft of Root's speech and do a search-and-replace?

Boston | May 25, 2008, 1:23pm | #

Also he did a commerical with powerpoint. Better than the Badnarik commericals though.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 1:24pm | #

Uh, we've already seen this part. Looks like Jingozian started his campaign video in the middle...how embarrassing.

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 1:25pm | #

This is really long and lame.

Boston | May 25, 2008, 1:25pm | #

HEY! he emailed a bunch of people in less than a week. That demands respect.

D.A. Ridgely | May 25, 2008, 1:27pm | #

Give me an argument please why any mainstream libertarian would want to support an Anarchist Leftwinger America-hater like Mary Ruwart for President?

She hasn't mentioned her continued availability in case Bob Barr is assassinated?

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 1:27pm | #

What the heck, Weigel? Are you asleep? There's a candidate begging to be made fun of up there!

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 1:27pm | #

"and technology that rivals the best of the Democratic and Republican candidates"

You know, mass marketing isn't rocket surgery. I'm mean, it's run by marketing people.

David Weigel | May 25, 2008, 1:27pm | #

Eric, whether or not Ruwart gives a good speech is immaterial to her support.

Happy Jack | May 25, 2008, 1:28pm | #

Ron Paul - check

If it was spelled Pòl, you might have your True Scotsman.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 1:28pm | #

Hint, doon't make tiping miss steaks when insulting others's intelligence.

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 1:29pm | #

Give me an argument please why any mainstream libertarian would want to support an Anarchist Leftwinger America-hater like Mary Ruwart for President?

Why would any mainstream libertarian want to support the Pot candidate, or the chic with the red hair who gives and awful speech and has guys she just met and picked up at the convention nominate her before a national C-SPAN audience?


Why would any libertarian-- mainstream or not-- support a neocon authoritarian warmonger like John McCain?

WTF??? | May 25, 2008, 1:30pm | #

That ridiculous video pissed me off. I'm switching to the Cubs game.

Boston | May 25, 2008, 1:32pm | #

WTF??,

I don't think Ted Lilly is going to help your anger issue.

hlm | May 25, 2008, 1:32pm | #

I really think Weigel and I are at very different conventions. Sure I see him wander in now and then and sit down but his descriptions and what I'm seeing are not the same thing. I've read his stuff before and never had reason to doubt the veracity of what he writes -- until now. I think he is coloring things with his personal opinions so much that it distorts his reporting.

Certainly for much of the reporting on the nomination process he was sitting in front of the Barr booth with a TV screen and not in the hall itself. That distorts the view of what is happening inside the hall.

I think Barr is much weaker than expected here. And I'm suspecting he will try to deal with Ruwart. His last minute conversion on his antigay views are too little too late for a lot of delegtes.

It might have helped if Reason had a couple of people blogging on the convention to give more perspective. Weigel is too narrowly focused and his views seem to color his article so that readers here are being a disservice.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 1:35pm | #

Jingozian barely made it through his own speech without bursting into tears, now he's going to nominate Gravel?

And Gravel was the only presidential candidate talking about the evils of the two parties and the military-industrial complex? You sir, fail the Ron Paul check test.

Dog's New Clothes | May 25, 2008, 1:35pm | #

I don't think this Jingozian endorsement will help Gravel.

Boston | May 25, 2008, 1:36pm | #

Its easy not to mention Paul, when you are speaking for the other guy.

David Weigel | May 25, 2008, 1:37pm | #

Certainly for much of the reporting on the nomination process he was sitting in front of the Barr booth with a TV screen and not in the hall itself.

That's a lie. I watched the Barr speech from the Barr booth because I couldn't get internet from the hall. Once I could, I re-situated in the main hall, left of the Texas delegation. I've been there since Christine Smith.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 1:38pm | #

Wait, I just switched back. Did one of the candidates (jingozian) just nominate another person for candidate? afaik you don't see that at the rep/dem convention.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 1:43pm | #

Mike Gravel's trying the majority-must-rule shtick again. Has anybody told him yet that that's exact opposite of libertarianism?

regularron | May 25, 2008, 1:43pm | #

Did anyone just see the hippie with the "V" mask on? Lord.

David, you're doin a hell of job.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 1:43pm | #

He refers to "you libertarians" and "the miracle you're involved in."

Weren't you criticizing him for saying "we libertarians" last night?

D.A. Ridgely | May 25, 2008, 1:45pm | #

Ah, a rambling, barely coherent semi-senile candidate! That's the ticket!

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 1:45pm | #

Somehow I doubt we'll be seeing Gravel/Jingozian '08

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 1:47pm | #

Did anyone just see the hippie with the "V" mask on? Lord.

If Hugo Weaving had been born in the US, he could definitely make a run for the nomination, just on the strength of his voice.

Boston | May 25, 2008, 1:47pm | #

Gravel i like you man, but your crazy man.

regularron | May 25, 2008, 1:47pm | #

What the hell is Gravel talkin about? Nothing "Libertarian" at all in his speech.

regularron | May 25, 2008, 1:48pm | #

Chris, him or James Earl Jones.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 1:48pm | #

I think David is doing fine. Keep in mind that unlike most people blogging there, he's primarily focused on the article(s) he'll write about the convention, not the liveblogging part. I'm sure his final product will be of the high quality I've come to expect from reason.

J sub D | May 25, 2008, 1:49pm | #

Of course, I meant to say Libertarians for McCain will be launched.

Don't let the door hit you on the wat out. If I never read or hear another word by or about Donderooo0ooooo, I'd be mightily pleased.

I almost started listing the reasons that McCain is unacceptable to anyone serious aboout libertarian issues. It then dawned on me that, with the exception of mental midgets, it's already a given.

Seriously Eric, go away.

John-David | May 25, 2008, 1:51pm | #

The Barr campaign might have the least class of any campaign ever.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 1:51pm | #

This is the same Dondero who was crowing about the "libertarian" Rudy Giuliani and how he was going to smash "authoritarian" Hillary Clinton in the general election a few months ago.

Hell hath no fury like a Congressional staffer scorned.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 1:51pm | #

What the hell are those Bob Barr people doing? Are they fucking insane?!

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 1:52pm | #

Nice to see that Florida got seated.

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 1:52pm | #

What the hell are those Bob Barr people doing? Are they fucking insane?!

Are they trying to piss as many people off as possible? Maybe Barr doesn't want the nomination.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 1:53pm | #

I wonder if delegates had to check their weapons at the door. If Barr wins, there might be a shootout.

Boy, this is fun!

D.A. Ridgely | May 25, 2008, 1:53pm | #

The Barr campaign might have the least class of any campaign ever.

Haven't been following Hillary, have you?

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 1:53pm | #

What's going on with Barr?

Brandybuck | May 25, 2008, 1:54pm | #

This has been the most interesting LP convention since 1988. I was at the '88 convention, but I don't recall seeing Dondero there. He might have been in his boss's hospitality suite getting drunk though.

Frankly, I'm split between the Reformers and the Radicals. I used to be with the RtLP, but Milsted is an ass. I'm a radical minarchist in philosophy, but the reality we live demands pragmatism. Holtz's fake flyers hit close to home. You're never going to get more than 0.5% of the vote if the LP insists on privatizing nuclear weapons and legalizing child pornography. Let's legalize pot before we start demanding the right to sell heroin to kindergartners!

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 1:55pm | #

Andy,

While the chairman was introducing the voting process, a bunch of people started walking in front of the dais holding up Bob Barr signs in front of the chairman. There was an eruption of boos from the audience.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 1:57pm | #

Oh, wow. Surely Barr himself didn't order that? Remembering the Paul campaign, my first reaction is "supporters out of control".

I hope they didn't hurt him. Being a rather radical minarchist myself, I'm still hoping he gets the nomination. He could do wonders for the party.

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 2:00pm | #

Good thing the ladies of the L party are not watching the Indy 500. Would be much squeeking I suspect.

Matt Welch | May 25, 2008, 2:00pm | #

Can we have any bets here before the voting gets started?

Matt Welch | May 25, 2008, 2:00pm | #

How *is* Danica doing, big Guy?

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 2:01pm | #

From these descriptions of the conventioneers bahavior, it sounds like a bunch of Democrats, without the manners.

Matt Welch | May 25, 2008, 2:01pm | #

Here comes Weigel on C-SPAN again!

regularron | May 25, 2008, 2:02pm | #

I'm with you Andy. Barr, may not be the "purist" that the radical section wants, but he could bring in a huge number of voters.

D.A. Ridgely | May 25, 2008, 2:03pm | #

Let's legalize pot before we start demanding the right to sell heroin to kindergartners!

NEVER! IDEOLOGICAL PURITY OR DEATH! I SAY ONE MAN, ONE NUKE! CHILD PORN BANS ARE RESTRAINT OF TRADE! ZONING LAWS AGAINST USING MY BACKYARD AS A TOXIC WASTE DUMP IS AN ILLEGAL TAKING! COMPUTERS WITH LOWER CASE TYPE ARE TOOLS OF THE 9/11 COVER UP! I CAN HAZ CHEEZBURGER! ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO ME!

regularron | May 25, 2008, 2:04pm | #

LMAO !!!!

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 2:04pm | #

MW,

She is always fine! Hottest chick who has never known of my existance.

Oh, um, she is running 11th right now, has been in the top 15 or better the whole race as far as I have noticed.

The feminazis would be upset with the mishaps of Ms. Fisher. Lots of Truther opportunity there. Especially after she spun herself out in a turn, behind the pace car, during a caution.

Aleanto | May 25, 2008, 2:05pm | #

Ruwart, second ballot.

D.A. Ridgely | May 25, 2008, 2:06pm | #

Can we have any bets here before the voting gets started?

I'm betting whoever gets nominated doesn't get elected.

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 2:06pm | #

Matt,

You didn't send Mr. Balko to cover the Indy race? For shame, for Cosmotarian shame!

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:07pm | #

Good thing the ladies of the L party are not watching the Indy 500. Would be much squeeking I suspect.

One of the ladies of the Indy 500 managed to spin out under a yellow flag. That's surely a Libertarian Party level of auto-trepanation.

(Thanks for the word, whomever wrote this the other day (Brandybuck?))

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 2:07pm | #

DAR,

I'm betting whoever gets nominated doesn't get elected.

I bet that whomever is nominated does not win a single State or DC.

Rob | May 25, 2008, 2:09pm | #

Something tells me that the Barr parade was Russ Verney's doing. Just like Ted McGinley kills television shows, so does Russ Verney kill political parties. From his antics back in the Reform Party, chasing out Jesse Ventura and Jack Gargan, bringing in and then going after Pat Buchanan, flirting with Donald Trump and John Haeglin to now the obnoxious Barr campaign.

Watch out Constitution Party when Russ shows up to manage a campaign in 2012!

Art-P.O.G. | May 25, 2008, 2:09pm | #

Chris, him or James Earl Jones.
Or Daniel Day-Lewis or Morgan Freeman.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:12pm | #

It sounds like their making bets on the convention floor too.

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 2:12pm | #

Barr-Mary?

Kris Overstreet | May 25, 2008, 2:12pm | #

I'm predicting Ruwart the early leader, but the longer the votes go, the more it favors Barr. The question is whether Barr or Root ends up third when the time comes. Root will back Barr over Ruwart, but Barr...?

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 2:15pm | #

Root would have won if he convinced people of taking the free undercoating and no down payment.

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 2:18pm | #

Is that an Anime convention on the front row of tables?

Ayn_Randian | May 25, 2008, 2:18pm | #

Root would have won if he convinced people of taking the free undercoating and no down payment.

zing! I'm glad someone finally said it.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:20pm | #

Shouldn't true libertarians bring their own damn lunch?

Or have someone walking through selling turkey bacon wraps?

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 2:21pm | #

I knew the Marxist had infiltrated. Groucho is counting the votes!

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:22pm | #

This is great!

"Wayne Allen Root got ZERO? From Nevada ?!"

effay | May 25, 2008, 2:22pm | #

Who are these guys counting the votes?

Matt Welch | May 25, 2008, 2:22pm | #

Root got zero votes in Nevada! But 38 from California! (According to watching them try to figure it out live on C-SPAN.) It's all very exciting.

effay | May 25, 2008, 2:22pm | #

Isn't Root supposed to be some sort of celebrity in Nevada or something and he gets no votes? Wha?

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 2:23pm | #

Root got 0 in Nevada!

This is fascinating, watching party apparatchiks plug the vote totals into an Excel spreadsheet.

"you should put a sum cell at the bottom"

"no, don't hit undo!"

"it's in alphabetical order. Nevada. N-V. Right there."

Matt Welch | May 25, 2008, 2:23pm | #

"Close enough"? Where's KPMG!

effay | May 25, 2008, 2:24pm | #

Do they vote for party chair after all the President stuff, or have they already done that?

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 2:24pm | #

Kolohe, Matt, effay,

Sounds like time for yet another juicy conspiricy :)

Karl Rove plot just like Florida and Ohio?

effay | May 25, 2008, 2:27pm | #

Wow, beating Phillies is something Mike.

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 2:27pm | #

Didn't someone just say "you need to carry the one"? I don't think they are using Excel.

chinsy | May 25, 2008, 2:27pm | #

Welch, Weigel:

Lay the odds. I'm willing to put up a pair of Phillies (the baseball team, not the candidate) tickets for something of equal? value.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:30pm | #

I've only heard Root speak for the first time this weekend. If I had to listen to him for years (like a Nevadan), my visceral dislike for him would be immeasurable.

CHris Potter | May 25, 2008, 2:32pm | #

Young Nick Gillespie is at the counting table!

D.A. Ridgely | May 25, 2008, 2:33pm | #

"Close enough"? Where's KPMG!

I hear the results have been kept since noon today in a mayonnaise jar on Funk & Wagnalls' porch.

Nothing personal, Mr. Weigel, but I'm starting a petition right now to have reason send Triumph the Insult Comic to the next convention. If Triump can't make it, perhaps Yakov Smirnoff? ("In former Soviet Union, people give rat's ass about liberty!")

effay | May 25, 2008, 2:34pm | #

Way to cut costs on paper Bill.

Jennifer | May 25, 2008, 2:34pm | #

Don't let the door hit you on the wat out. If I never read or hear another word by or about Donderooo0ooooo, I'd be mightily pleased.

Hush now, J sub D, such ignorance unbecomes you. Dondero is what petroleum was back in the year 1800: icky-sticky yucky glop, yes, but considered an annoying nuisance only because people didn't yet realize what an awesome and wonderful untapped power resource they had.

You know those Twilight Zone-type stories where a writer finds a magic pen or magic typewriter, and everything he writes with it comes true? Dondero's exactly like that, only in reverse.

Eric--
I've been having some very crummy luck lately. Care to help a libertarian sister out? Please go to various blogs and type comments like "Jennifer's luck will never improve" or "Jennifer will never vote for a candidate who actually wins" or "Jennifer's favorite dark-green rhinestone barrette is lost forever so she may as well stop looking for it and simply accept the fact that the rest of her life is going to have a big dark-green-rhinestone-barrette-shaped hole in it."

Also: "This week, Jennifer will not learn that some long-lost relative she never knew she had just died and left her a multi-billion-dollar fortune."

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 2:35pm | #

The tragedy of the commons is at work on the paper supply, apparently. Tell Jingozian.

effay | May 25, 2008, 2:35pm | #

Cut out the state speeches for God's sake. This is going to take forever.

Matt Welch | May 25, 2008, 2:36pm | #

None of the Above! That is awesome!

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 2:37pm | #

Don't tell me every state is going to make a speech. And what alphabet are they using, where New Hampshire is first, and New York comes before New Jersey?

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:37pm | #

Mr Chairman, you're making it awfully hard to not evaluate you're running a chickenshit operation.

Matt Welch | May 25, 2008, 2:38pm | #

Barr with no votes after 3 states?

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:38pm | #

They randomized the starting state, but then are doing roll call in alphabetical order.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:39pm | #

Weigel, so much for not taking forever. :)

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 2:40pm | #

Indy is in another caution (some rookie in an orange car), but commercials are better than State speeches at a convention.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 2:40pm | #

No Libertarians in ND?

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:41pm | #

How can North Dakota have no delegates? It's not like they're travelling further than most.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 2:41pm | #

Wake me up when Nebraska's up. Sheesh.

effay | May 25, 2008, 2:41pm | #

Hooray for OK and expedience.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 2:42pm | #

Anyone keeping count?

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 2:43pm | #

Yeah, whatever. Oregon doesn't let you pump your own gas, so bite me. This doesn't look good for Barr, BTW.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 2:44pm | #

Penn!

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:44pm | #

This is going to be a ten-way tie with all the write-ins.

scineram | May 25, 2008, 2:44pm | #

Penn Gillette 3!

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 2:44pm | #

Anyone keeping count?

I think the guy sitting next to Groucho Marx. However, with all of those Truthers there, it will not matter what the count is.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 2:45pm | #

Colin,

Looks like Ruwart, Root, and Gravel (?!) have the most so far. Barr has almost nothing.

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 2:45pm | #

CP,

Oregon and NJ are much closer than I ever thought.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:47pm | #

It seems so far Ruwart is leading, where there is a decisive state vote split, Ruwart has some 4 states, but Barr has 1 (SC)

lysander | May 25, 2008, 2:47pm | #

I am changing my opinion about Utah. Is it perhaps the home to the most self-deprecating libertarians on Earth?

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:48pm | #

Barr won VA, so that gives him two states.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:51pm | #

I wonder how much Gravel is drawing off from Barr

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 2:51pm | #

To me, the big surprise is the number of votes Gravel is getting.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:52pm | #

Barr is like the Huckabee of this campaign, he's only winning the south (even though he failed in NC)

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 2:53pm | #

Arkansas votes for Imperato!!!

lysander | May 25, 2008, 2:54pm | #

Root carried California. Wow.

scineram | May 25, 2008, 2:56pm | #

Root.


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 2:56pm | #

I wonder if the LP is making the same mistake the Dems made last year -- nominating someone they think other voters will find appealing (Root).

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 2:56pm | #

Is Root really going to win? Shoot me now.

Shii | May 25, 2008, 2:57pm | #

Pleeeease let it be Gravel.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 2:58pm | #

I think Barr is catching up.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 2:58pm | #

That Ga near sweep really makes up some ground for Barr.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 2:58pm | #

He's not going to get a majority on this ballot. But he is going to be way ahead of the other "pragmatic" candidate, Barr.

Ayn_Randian | May 25, 2008, 2:59pm | #

Barr, of course, took Georgia with 33.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:00pm | #

Illinois' motto is "National Union, State Sovereignty." The nickname is The Prairie State.

Ayn_Randian | May 25, 2008, 3:03pm | #

I might choke a bitch if I have to hear another nom vote for Ron Paul.

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 3:04pm | #

Phillies got 5 from MD? I'm embarrassed right now.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:05pm | #

Paul might beat Kubby.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 3:05pm | #

fwiw, the mass rep is what i always imagined joe boyle looks like.

Happy Jack | May 25, 2008, 3:06pm | #

I'm amazed that Weigel has managed to stay awake during this.

Ayn_Randian | May 25, 2008, 3:08pm | #

why am I getting the sinking feeling that Barr isn't going to make it?

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 3:09pm | #

why am I getting the sinking feeling that Barr isn't going to make it?

Maybe things will turn around on the second ballot.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 3:10pm | #

*drumroll*

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 3:10pm | #

Wooo!

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:11pm | #

Gravel wins in NV!

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 3:11pm | #

A narrow lead for Barr, I was expecting him to be closer to roots.

Ayn_Randian | May 25, 2008, 3:12pm | #

hey, Barr ties Ruwart (well, he's up by 1 delegate).

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:12pm | #

Strange how Barr got the most votes.

Ayn_Randian | May 25, 2008, 3:12pm | #

I thought the same thing...thank goodness for Georgia.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:12pm | #

Bets anyone?

scineram | May 25, 2008, 3:13pm | #

Red state fascist takeover.

FUCK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:15pm | #

Ruwart is the only radical in the top 4. That means there weren't a whole lot of votes likely to swing her way. Root's bloc, on the other hand, will almost all go to Barr. Which gives him ~45%.

Zorgon | May 25, 2008, 3:15pm | #

If all of Jingozians votes go to Gravel, he could be right up there with the others.

Taktix® | May 25, 2008, 3:16pm | #

I just realized Weigel was time stamping in MST. Doh!

Also, the long anticipated footage of my band's anti-drug War song, Money Game.

Just in time for the convention...

affenkopf | May 25, 2008, 3:17pm | #

I've opnly got sound and no video since the stream on the C-Span website doesn't work properly for me. Anyone can post the number of votes in the first round? Ruwart was number one, right?

Taktix® | May 25, 2008, 3:17pm | #

...anti-Drug War, rather...

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:18pm | #

I'm getting a spreadsheet ready for the second ballot. I'm pathetic, I know.

affenkopf | May 25, 2008, 3:18pm | #

Ok, the comments above me answer my question.

BakedPenguin | May 25, 2008, 3:19pm | #

If all of Jingozians votes go to Gravel, he could be right up there with the others.

He's only down by two?

scineram | May 25, 2008, 3:20pm | #

Chrissy takes it to Barr!

GO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:20pm | #

Christine Smith is such a good sport.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 3:21pm | #

Jesus christ Mr Chairman, you can't find another fricking laptop?!

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:21pm | #

Oh my God! Did you all see that???

That was the nastiness moment at an LP Convention in history.

That will backfire on the Leftwing Anarchists. Big boost for Barr. Thanks Christine!!

Ayn_Randian | May 25, 2008, 3:21pm | #

dear god, someone fucking shoot Christine Smith and do the world a favor.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:22pm | #

Smith shrewdly angling for a position in the Barr administration.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:22pm | #

What an ungracious biatch. That little hissy-fit probably helped Barr.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:22pm | #

Yes, I agree, Mike Gravel is in a very good position right now, and could actually win this thing.

I know it's wierd, but I like the guy's personality. Don't like many of his views. But he's a blast.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:22pm | #

From the first ballot:

Barr 153
Ruwart 152
Root 123
Gravel 71
Phillies 49
Kubby 41
Jingo 23
Smith 6

And Christine Smith is still going off at Microphone #3

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:22pm | #

Dondero clearly doesn't remember 1983.

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 3:23pm | #

I might choke a bitch if I have to hear another nom vote for Ron Paul.

I know who that bitch should be...

regularron | May 25, 2008, 3:23pm | #

Christine Smith, is ripping Barr on C-Span right now. My lord, what a whiny woman.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:23pm | #

god, GET HER OFF CAMERA.

SHE's the kind of thing we don't want people seeing.

Though I don't think too many people are watching CSPAN other than Libertarians anyway at the moment.

Aleanto | May 25, 2008, 3:23pm | #

You stay classy, Christine.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:23pm | #

She's starting to look like a sore loser. Now she's almost in tears.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:23pm | #

For once I agree with Dondero.

dbcooper | May 25, 2008, 3:24pm | #

Smith shrewdly angling for a position in the Barr administration.

Heh. This is highly entertaining. Good to see Jingozian claiming that he and Gravel could win the general election!

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 3:24pm | #

"hope not votes!"

Ayn_Randian | May 25, 2008, 3:24pm | #

Adamness - lol.

now we've got some harpy woman going on and on about how Barr is the Debil.

How about Barr/Gravel? That'd be a trip.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 3:25pm | #

It's pretty frackin bad when *c-span* cuts away from you because you're just running on.

Zorgon | May 25, 2008, 3:25pm | #

Baked Penguin, gravel is in 4th, with 71 votes. With Jingozians support, he should be up around 100. I have no idea where the Christine Smith votes are going, though. They are pretty irrelevant.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:25pm | #

Barr + Root is a greater total, by about thirty, than Ruwart+Kubby+Phillies.

God, Gravel might actually be the king-maker.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:25pm | #

No, no, keep her on camera. She's helping Bob Barr to win this nomination.

This may go down in history as the most historic moment in LP history. She may have just single-handidly handed the nomination to Bob Barr with her tirade in front of a national C-SPAN audience.

Thanks Christine! Thanks for helping to keep the Libertarian Party Pro-Defense, and not turn it into a haven for Leftwing Anarchists.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:26pm | #

Andy, I'm not so sure Phillies supporters will swing to Ruwart. Phillies has an independent streak, and he's personally on a friendly basis with Wayne Root.

Anything could happen.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:26pm | #

Barr/Gravel would be a great ticket -- or at least, a greatly entertaining ticket.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:27pm | #

which would be hilarious since there's not really anything any one could give him that he wouldn't reject.

I predict him dragging this on like Hillary if it comes down to Barr vs. Ruwart with his supporters holding the balance.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:28pm | #

I know Phillies isn't technically a "radical", but I think him and his supporters do lean that way.

Anyway, of course just adding totals from the 1st ballot like that is useless as anything but a rough guess.

BakedPenguin | May 25, 2008, 3:28pm | #

Zorgon, that was a joke - about Jingozian.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:28pm | #

Andy, no I don't remember '83. I was a delegate to the '87 Convention, though. In '83 I was out on a ship in the Persian Gulf.

But Andy, I bet this rivals '83 in excitement. Certainly better than 2003.

Ayn_Randian | May 25, 2008, 3:28pm | #

we're going to have to see if Root hemorrhages supporters to Barr on this one. That might nail this one down pretty quick, if Root's people get faithless on him.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:29pm | #

I've been watching political conventions for decades, but none have been as fun as this one.

Ayn_Randian | May 25, 2008, 3:29pm | #

Barr's joking on Christine Smith now :-D ha ha ha...hilarity ensues.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:33pm | #

I wonder if the people who voted Ron Paul on the first ballot are going to continue doing so, or if they were just trying to get his name on the screen at the end.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:34pm | #

Chris, are those votes just counted as "NOTA"?

Eric H | May 25, 2008, 3:35pm | #

Potter - I would guess they'll go for Barr on the second ballot

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:35pm | #

'83 is where we had the moderates walk out. It's part of the whole (sometimes overexaggerated) "split" between Rothbardian/Austrian School purists and Friedman moderates like CATO and reason. No matter what happens here, I'm not expecting a walk-out of any size.

/Smith and her 6 delegates don't count

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:36pm | #

Colin,

No, there were only 2 NOTA votes on the first ballot. They said there were 10 write-ins which weren't put up on the screen.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:36pm | #

Gravel asking about if he'll get kicked off the ballot on live TV!

Heh.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:37pm | #

Colin, I fully agree. This is the best political convention of any political party that I've ever seen. LP HQ staff and Redpath deserve a great deal of credit. Bet that cinches Redpath for Chair again.

Man, my heart is beating 100 taps per minute.

Go Bob Barr!!

Go Wayne Root!!

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 3:37pm | #

Gravel is a lot more appealing when he's not on stage.

Dog's New Clothes | May 25, 2008, 3:38pm | #

Gravel gets support from a Phillies supporter after this ballot. That could definitely help him.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:38pm | #

The man and husband from MA are saying they'll switch to Gravel after Phillies is eliminated.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:38pm | #

Good job, Mr. Chairman.

/just announce the damn totals!

Guy Montag | May 25, 2008, 3:38pm | #

OT: Patrick was in the top 10 when some rookie in the McDonald's car wrecked out and caused a caution.

More OT: The Krystal's in Salem, VA has closed. Closest Krystal to DC is now Bristol, TN, IIRC.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:39pm | #

Barr!

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 3:39pm | #

How did Phillies beat Kubby?

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:40pm | #

Shame about Kubby, though. I like him and think he'd make a great running mate for Barr.

John-David | May 25, 2008, 3:40pm | #

Drama - They're doing it wrong.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:41pm | #

Second ballot (provisional):

Barr 188
Ruwart 162
Root 138
Gravel 73
Phillies 36
Kubby 32 [OUT]

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:41pm | #

Real professional lookin'.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:41pm | #

Gravel may end up being the Kingmaker.

Bet he's cut a deal with Barr for VP.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:41pm | #

Stephen Colbert. ROFLMAO

BakedPenguin | May 25, 2008, 3:42pm | #

Adamness - I was wondering the same thing. Log Cabin Libertarians?

Dog's New Clothes | May 25, 2008, 3:42pm | #

Kubby is gone. I liked him, but he seems to have a decent chance at VP.

Kubby could be a good pick for Barr as VP to shore up his Drug War cred, but it depends on how Kubby tells his supporters to vote.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:43pm | #

Change from first ballot:

Barr +35
Ruwart +10
Root +15
Gravel +2
Phillies -13
Kubby -9

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:43pm | #

Gravel's a good guy. I hope he stays with libertarianism. Even if we don't agree with him on lots of things.

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 3:43pm | #

Bet he's cut a deal with Barr for VP.

I don't like that idea. I'm a Barr supporter, but I think he'd need someone with a bit more history with the party and ideas than Gravel.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 3:43pm | #

Memo to those who voted NOTA, esp on the first ballot:

Grow up.

V/R
Kolohe

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:43pm | #

I think the Barr/Root Mainstream Libertarians might have this thing won. Even if all the Leftwingers side with Ruwart - which they won't - Barr/Root is still ahead with 186.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:43pm | #

Gravel has pretty explicitly- and angrily, as usual- said that he won't accept VP slot.

When he first announced I thouht Barr/Gravel would be great. Having seen how frighteningly unlibertarian Gravel is, particularly his hard-on for majority rule and big-government social programs, I don't think I'd be very happy with that now.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:44pm | #

I wonder how much of that +35 for Barr was directly related to Christine.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:44pm | #

Holy Shit Chris! Thanks for those numbers. That says it all. Major pick-up for Bob Barr.

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 3:44pm | #

I should add I think write-ins, vice NOTA are OK.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:45pm | #

Note that Gravel only gained 2 delegates, despite Jingozian (23 first ballot delegates) endorsing him.

Brandybuck | May 25, 2008, 3:45pm | #

(Thanks for the word, whomever wrote this the other day (Brandybuck?))
Yes, that was me. I aquired it from an episode of Dead Like Me.

Dog's New Clothes | May 25, 2008, 3:46pm | #

Don't pick on George Phillies!

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:46pm | #

Makes sense, but extremely assholish of the guy to say that about Phillies.

Dog's New Clothes | May 25, 2008, 3:46pm | #

West Virginia once again ruins everything

Kolohe | May 25, 2008, 3:48pm | #

Finally the chairman handles a situation with aplomb (the drop phillies motion)

But then blows it with the WV thing

LP2008 | May 25, 2008, 3:48pm | #

I just toked up in honor of Kubby. He's a great guy.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:49pm | #

This is how you make a concession speech. Take notes, Shrew Smith.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:49pm | #

Phillies should have been the one asking for himself to be dropped after getting 6%. Given his, er, personality, I wouldn't expect it though.

Steven Druckenmiller | May 25, 2008, 3:49pm | #

except he's going to endorse Ruwart.

Andrew | May 25, 2008, 3:49pm | #

Kubby gives his support to Ruwart

Dog's New Clothes | May 25, 2008, 3:50pm | #

There goes Kubby as VP.

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 3:50pm | #

At least he was classy about it.

scineram | May 25, 2008, 3:50pm | #

Kubby goes RuWARt.

GOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:50pm | #

I don't think any one watching CSPAN right now doesn't know about the LP.

BakedPenguin | May 25, 2008, 3:50pm | #

No surprise on Kubby's Ruwart endorsement.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:50pm | #

Ouch! That hurt. If Barr can overcome the Kubby endorsement of Ruwart on the 3rd ballot he wins.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:50pm | #

So much for the kind words between Kubby and Barr last night.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:51pm | #

If Ruwart wins, you guys think Kubby will be her running mate?

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:51pm | #

Rob Kampia's Marijuana dudes like Barr. So, they may not follow Kubby to Ruwart.

Aleanto | May 25, 2008, 3:51pm | #

I called it. Phillies, Kubby, and Gravel's supporters are all going to see the Barr lead and immediately jump to Ruwart. If I were Barr I'd offer Root the VP slot right now.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:51pm | #

What's the over/under on the number of ballots?

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:52pm | #

All of Kubby's votes this ballot are only about the same as the current gap between Barr and Ruwart- and that's before Root's support goes to Barr.

D.A. Ridgely | May 25, 2008, 3:52pm | #

Hey wait a minute, isn't Kubby going to sing one last song?

Adamness | May 25, 2008, 3:53pm | #

lp.org has a "live" (but not really) count of everything.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:54pm | #

God help me, Dondero is supporting the same guy I am.

Colin | May 25, 2008, 3:54pm | #

Boy, this guy is boring.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:54pm | #

God help me, Chris Potter is supporting the same guy I am.

John-David | May 25, 2008, 3:55pm | #

I went away from the tv for a bit after the Phillies thing What happened with West Virginia?

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:55pm | #

I'm somewhat baffled how you can support Barr as the LP nominee but fought tooth and nail against Paul in favor of Rudy "freedom is about authority" Giuliani.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:56pm | #

They just wanted to see their results because they claimed they hadn't been shown on screen for them to confirm.

No errors in them.

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:56pm | #

Why is this guy giving a speech during the balloting?

BakedPenguin | May 25, 2008, 3:57pm | #

JD - Redpath had someone put up the numbers, and the WV guy went away happy.

Eric Dondero | May 25, 2008, 3:57pm | #

Andy Craig, I'm baffled as to how Anti-Defense Libertarians and Ron Paulists could support Bob Barr, since he's an "evil" Republican, and supports a Strong Defense and the Military. Please explain?

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:57pm | #

Joe Johnson is making me miss Christine Smith.

Dog's New Clothes | May 25, 2008, 3:58pm | #

Wow, this guy is dull. Couldn't they have found a better elected Libertarian?

Andy Craig | May 25, 2008, 3:59pm | #

He's more or less said the same thing Paul has as far as withdrawing American forces from the 130+ countries they're in, just with a (what I find acceptable and reasonable) caveat that in some places it'd be best to do it gradually rather than suddenly.

Brandybuck | May 25, 2008, 3:59pm | #

'83 is where we had the moderates walk out. It's part of the whole (sometimes overexaggerated) "split" between Rothbardian/Austrian School purists and Friedman moderates like CATO and reason.
The split wasn't between purists and moderates, because in the next election you had the purist Rothbardians backing a mainstream Ron Paul while the moderates were backing the anarchist Russell Means. The split was instead between paleos and cosmos, even though those terms had not yet been devised. One wing of the party supported a white male monogamous Christian, while the other supported a native American separatist who bragged how good he was in bed. Funny thing though, except for advocating a government mandated gold standard, the two had remarkably similar views.

Chris Potter | May 25, 2008, 3:59pm | #

Dondero,