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Open Thread about the Florida Primaries...

News from Florida is gonna be trickling out soon enough.

Here's some pre-primary polls to consider as the results become known.

First, courtesy of Real Clear Politics, the GOP side of the ledger:

Florida Primary Republican Polls

And now the Dems (whose contest doesn't matter, except symbolically):

Florida Primary Democratic Polls

Have fun with it all. Check back here for periodic updates.

Update (circa 7.50pm): From Fox News, the headline "Early Exit Polls: Seniors and Hispanics Strong For McCain."

Update (circa 8.50pm): From Bloomberg, the headline "McCain, Romney Race in Florida Too Close to Call." The short version is McCain 34 percent, Romney 33 percent, Rudy G. at 15 percent, with one-third of precincts reporting. Early projections are that Hillary Clinton beat Barack Obama in the Dem contest, which doesn't count for anything other than symbolism because no delegates are at stake.

Update (circa 9.25pm): Fox News is calling it for McCain over Romney, 35 percent to 31 percent. Time.com's Mark Helperin is reporting that Rudy Giuliani, a distant third with 15 percent, will be endorsing McCain as soon as tomorrow.

Final Update (circa 9.35pm): What Matt Welch and Brian Doherty say above. The important thing to remember is a message that we put on a cover in November 2004. The faces may change, but the song--a sad one, though not without humor--remains the same:

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Comments to "Open Thread about the Florida Primaries...":

Nelson | January 29, 2008, 7:03pm | #

Rudy, you're the weakest link. Goodbye.

The Chad | January 29, 2008, 7:11pm | #

Pretty sure that shows Paul as the weakest link. Boy idealism was fun, now realism sets in

Bingo | January 29, 2008, 7:12pm | #

Woah, Clinton rocking Obama across the board.

Brett | January 29, 2008, 7:17pm | #

Good clip of Florida radio host Mark Larsen getting seriously pissed off after Romney mocks Ron Paul in an interview today. Click my name for link.

Sparky | January 29, 2008, 7:19pm | #

So how exactly are Florida and Michigan going to be dealt with at the convention? I'm not sure I've heard a single pundit say they think FL and MI will actually be excluded - everyone seems to think some deal will be worked out and the delegates will be seated. But no one explains how that would be done in a remotely fair and credible way given that Obama, and I think Edwards, weren't on the ballot in either state.

Brian Courts | January 29, 2008, 7:20pm | #

Both of the eventual nominees will pick up wins tonight: Clinton and McCain.

As for the weakest link, discounting Paul, I think it's past time to stick a fork in Huckabee who is thankfully (over)done despite my brief worries to the contrary a few weeks ago.

Sparky | January 29, 2008, 7:22pm | #

Wait - I see Obama and Edwards getting significant percentages in the early returns. Am I full of shit about them not being on the FL ballot?

In any case, the general question stands, especially for Michigan.

Nephilium | January 29, 2008, 7:23pm | #

Bingo: The Democrat side doesn't really matter, since Florida was stripped of its delegates, same as Michigan.

Nephilium

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 7:25pm | #

People in Pinellas County who used electronic voting machines were surprised to find that they automatically voted YES on Amendment 1 unless they went through a couple of touch screens to change their vote. That's the Amendment supported by the governor. It apparently was a glitch.

Jon H | January 29, 2008, 7:27pm | #

"The Democrat side doesn't really matter, since Florida was stripped of its delegates, same as Michigan"

Except Clinton is trying to get them reinstated.

Out of desperation, no doubt.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:28pm | #

The true nature of the Clintons--if you can't win, try fraud!

I can see it now, Bill biting his lip and Hilldog crackling her voice BUT WE CARE ABOUT *YOU* FLORIDA!

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:29pm | #

My predictions:

Romney and McCain tied at 34%.

After absentees come in, Romney squeeks it out by less than 1%.

Rudy - 15%

Huckabee - 13.5%

Ron Paul - 3%

Jacob | January 29, 2008, 7:29pm | #

I’m pulling for McCain so that all the establishment Republicans are left crying in their soup when this is all over. Then they can join us in looking for a “true Republican” four years from now.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:29pm | #

What happened to Mayor 9/11?

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:30pm | #

BTW, I don't know who Mark Larsen is but after hearing that clip I like him already.

Jacob | January 29, 2008, 7:30pm | #

I’m thinking the absentees are going to break for McCain.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:31pm | #

Good for Romney! Finally, one of the GOP frontrunners is calling Ron Paul what he is: A flaming Anti-American Kook!

My respect for Mitt Romney had just gone up 1000%.

Nelson | January 29, 2008, 7:31pm | #

Chad, you're right.

The way that Rudy blew his lead, his name recognition, his asshole attitude and his $60 million to win 1 delegate clearly makes him a stronger candidate than Paul.

I'll miss my daily dose of fear-mongering at the debate tomorrow. McRomney will have to pick up the slack.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:32pm | #

Dondero what about the guy you said would be the next President almost all last year, Rudy "Benito" Giuliani? Hows he doin DONDEEEROOOO?

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:32pm | #

Notice there's quiet on the Ron Paul front today?

Besides Lew Rockwell calling Reagan an "Imperialist" and a "NeoCon" on LRC today.

Bet Ron Paul doesn't even break 3% today. Chalk it all up to the Racist Newsletter scandal.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 7:32pm | #

Mayor Sept.11 was weak. He didn't spend enough time in high crime areas that would buy into his tough-guy going after the bad guys schtick. Instead he went to Jesus-freak towns like Titusville. Rooody: yous a big town guy, and so many Florida towns have delusions of NYC-grandeur. Why didn't you hit them up?

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:33pm | #

What about him?

Rudy and Romney are essentially the same: Fiscally Conservative/Socially Centrist Northeasterners.

I give Rudy the edge on foreign policy. But Mitt's coming around, even attacking "Islamo-Fascism."

Mitt for President! Rudy for Defense Secretary in the Romney Administration!!!

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:34pm | #

BTW Dondi, John McCain wins. Especially if you're hedging by saying there will be a tie. So you've backed two losers. Oh Dondero, is there anything you're right about?

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:34pm | #

Wonder what all the naysayer libertarians will say if Romney pulls this one out?

A huge victory for mainstream libertarians, and a huge loss for extremist radical Anarchism posing as libertarianism, i.e. Ron Paul.

The Chad | January 29, 2008, 7:34pm | #

Nelson,

Rudy will still be at the debate tomorrow, so you can sleep soundly. He'll make it until at least tuesday

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:35pm | #

Wonder what all the naysayer libertarians will say if Romney pulls this one out?
I'll say the Republicans chose a bland, white-bread flip-flopping war-mongering panderdroid. Should I say something else?

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 7:36pm | #

"Chalk it all up to the Racist Newsletter scandal."

You may be right. Part of Florida's problem is that it doesn't stand for anything. In New Hampshire it's Live Free or Die. In Florida its:

[silence and man standing with finger up nose, wiggles pinky, but that's not the finger up nose]

Johnjackson | January 29, 2008, 7:36pm | #

What did Romney actually say about Paul? I don't use sound or video on my computer. I remember when in addition to posting Tubes ( or Digg links)people tended to write little blurbs about things.

Yahoo Answerer | January 29, 2008, 7:37pm | #

This is the URL for the Florida Department of State division of elections
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/
Updated all the time

Nelson | January 29, 2008, 7:37pm | #

Eric, do you jerk off to to picture of Osama Bin Laden. You don't seem to care about anything but going over to the Middle East and killing a whole heap of those "freedom haters."

You remind me of Ann Coulter

Jon H | January 29, 2008, 7:37pm | #

I'd love it if Obama won Florida and the Clintons all of a sudden didn't give a rat's ass about Florida's delegates being seated.

Sparky | January 29, 2008, 7:39pm | #

"A huge victory for mainstream libertarians"

It would really be more of a huge victory for people who don't have a clue what the word libertarian means.

Johnjackson | January 29, 2008, 7:39pm | #

Ron Paul didn't really compete in Florida. He is trying to campaign in places where delegates are possible. For someone in his position he is doing the right thing. Unlike the Rudy " I didnt compete in Iowa in NH even though i spent millions of dollars and 3 dozen visits there" strategy.

Nash | January 29, 2008, 7:40pm | #

"Bet Ron Paul doesn't even break 3% today. Chalk it all up to the Racist Newsletter scandal."

Or the fact that he's not campaigning there and hasn't run any ads since it's a winner take all state.

That Larsen interview was interesting. Every time I wonder if Romney wouldn't be that bad of a choice in November I hear something like that and remember why I'm voting for Ron Paul.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:40pm | #

There are 3 North Florida Counties that have reported: All three overwhelming for Romney. There's still 20 or so N. Fla Counties out. So far those who have reported are mostly Tampa Bay Area, strong for McCain.

If N. Fla goes big for Mitt, he could pull it off.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:41pm | #

Hey Eric, please tell me where gay-marriage banning, drug-warrior, pro-life Mitt Romney is "socially liberal".

andy | January 29, 2008, 7:41pm | #

Bet Ron Paul doesn't even break 3% today. Chalk it all up to the Racist Newsletter scandal.

do you think most people even heard about the ron paul newsletters? you overestimate his visibility.

if you seriously think those newsletters made any difference to registered republicans, you're more worried about paul as a threat than his supporters are faithful that he will win.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:41pm | #

Funny, the Ron Paul people said the same thing about Wyoming: "Golly gee, Ron didn't even campaign there."

Truth was he did campaign in Wyoming, spent a lot of money there, and ended up with ZERO Delegates.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 7:41pm | #

"I'd love it if Obama won Florida and the Clintons all of a sudden didn't give a rat's ass about Florida's delegates being seated."

Nope, Hillary crushed him. Of course, it's skewed since it didn't count.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 7:41pm | #

"Truth was he did campaign in Wyoming, spent a lot of money there, and ended up with ZERO Delegates."

But not in Florida.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:41pm | #

Sorry Cesar, I don't respond to people who use phoney names on-line.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:43pm | #

Paul does okay in small states. Not a single big state does he stand a chance in: PA, New Jersey, New York, California, and even Texas. All will be crushing defeats for Paul.

Proof is his 3% showing in Florida, a state where he should have done a lot better.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:43pm | #

Its not a phony name, dipshit.

joe | January 29, 2008, 7:43pm | #

Sorry Cesar, I don't respond to people who use phoney names on-line.

Mine, Mine, I got it, I call it!

Ahem:

Whatever, Rittberg.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:44pm | #

Some of Ron Paul's staunchest supporters live in Florida: Alan Turin, Don Black, et.al.

Yet he's pulling 3% there. Doesn't say much for the efforts of Turin, Black and crew.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:44pm | #

Joe, the best part is--I'm not even using a phony name.

Click 'n' Learn | January 29, 2008, 7:44pm | #

Whatever the results, McCain isn't going to be the nominee, because the great majority of Americans are going to object to his HispanicOutreach director being a former cabinet member of the MexicanGovernment.

So far no MSM source has touched the story, with the most mainstream sources even mentioning it being MickeyKaus and MarcAmbinder.

However, he was asked about it a few days ago, and the video is here. It wasn't that good a question, but I'm working on a better one and hopefully someone will ask it. A few hundred thousand views later, McCain isn't going to be electable for anything.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:44pm | #

So Cesar, what's your last name?

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 7:45pm | #

"phony names" used for online discussions are called "handles."

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:45pm | #

Cesar, where do you live?

Eric Dondero Rittberg
Angleton, Texas
832-896-9505

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 7:45pm | #

Cesar McKinley?

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:45pm | #

What the fuck are you some kind of stalker?

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:46pm | #

No Lamar, they're called phoney names. Handles something leftover from the 1970s CB days. Gosh I'm glad that era is dead, just like Disco.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:46pm | #

No, I'm an honest individual, who stands by his remarks on-line, unlike you pussy boy.

Stop using fake names on on-line forums. Have the courage of your convictions. If not, than just shut the fuck up.

joe | January 29, 2008, 7:46pm | #

Joe, the best part is--I'm not even using a phony name.

Oh, bull. You're name is Horst Gunderson, you live on your uncle's sheep farm in western Minnesota, and you have a rich imagination.

I'm onto you, buddy!

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:47pm | #

I think Dondero is trying to stalk me. Creepy.

Nelson | January 29, 2008, 7:47pm | #

Mine, Mine, I got it, I call it!

Ahem:

Whatever, Rittberg.


PWNED!!!!!


McCain is gonna win Dondero. Jeez, every candidate you back loses, so of course you can only go after smaller fish like Ron Paul to make yourself feel better.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 7:47pm | #

Eric Dondero Rittberg: why don't you email people privately? I find it incredibly vain to plaster your name publicly like that. And I don't mean you personally or mean to suggest you don't have good reason. I just mean that I personally feel incredibly vain doing it. Email me, I'll tell you my name and contact info.

Sparky | January 29, 2008, 7:47pm | #

I'm Cesar Spartacus!

Vincent Gigante | January 29, 2008, 7:47pm | #

Rudy going down, excellent.

Brandybuck | January 29, 2008, 7:48pm | #

I will start the bidding at $50 fifty dollars. Fifty dollars to kick Dondero in the nuts. Do I hear $60?

Bingo | January 29, 2008, 7:49pm | #

Or maybe I'll just follow in the footsteps of the founding fathers and other proud individuals who used psuedonyms to voice their views and publish works.


You are such a creepy little shithead for wanting to know people's real names.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:49pm | #

No joe, my real name is Ahmed Hassan Hussein, and I hate America. I'm trying to take down Rittberg for my Islamofascist buddies back home, inshallah.

Pac | January 29, 2008, 7:49pm | #

Is that man Insane??????

the innominate one | January 29, 2008, 7:49pm | #

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:41pm | #
Sorry Cesar, I don't respond to people who use phoney names on-line.


and yet, you did

btw, Florida has over 50 counties, so what 3 or 20 did really doesn't mean much.

my prediction: Eric will touch himself while crying and repeatedly viewing his TIVO recording of Giuliani dropping out of the race.

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 7:50pm | #

If Dondero really wanted anyone here to vote for his preferential candidate, he'd shut the fuck up.

Of course mentally unbalanced people do tend to talk alot. I guess Dondero just thinks we're the voices in his head.

DDS | January 29, 2008, 7:50pm | #

I'm always tempted to call Dondi, but the thought of him having my number is kinda creepy.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:50pm | #

Speaking of Giuliani, he's doing better than expected: 18%.

You add that vote to Romney's and it's a huge win for Fiscal Cons over Centrist Squish McCain and Religious Rightist Huckabee.

Pac | January 29, 2008, 7:50pm | #

Hey Dondero,

Since you're here, can you explain how Tammy Bruce is a Libertarian?

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:50pm | #

Dondero, lets get back on topic. Please tell us how Romeny is socially liberal since hes both pro-life (which you used to say was THE issue!) and supports banning gay marriage?

Sparky | January 29, 2008, 7:50pm | #

"Have the courage of your convictions. If not, than just shut the fuck up."

That's good advice. So why don't you quit pretending that you've thought Romney was as good as Guiliani this whole time? You're not fooling anyone who read anything you had to say here last year.

By the way, Sparky is my real name. I'm a puppy.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:51pm | #

Don't call DDS. The thought of you on the other side of my cell line is creepy. Creepy indeed.

joe | January 29, 2008, 7:51pm | #

Horst's puppy, actually.

J sub D | January 29, 2008, 7:51pm | #

Sorry Cesar, I don't respond to people who use phoney names on-line.

And I, for one, am gratful. I was getting so discouraged by the witty, incisive and devastating remarks that Dondi would send my way. I was overmatched in knowledge, wit, intelligence. Not getting embarrased by Dondi has meade my visits to Hit and Run so much more enjoyable.

I wish I could be a wise, knowledgeable urbanite sophisticate like Eric Dondero.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 7:51pm | #

Amen to Huckabee going down.

joe | January 29, 2008, 7:51pm | #

Eric, do you have Prince Albert, in a can?

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:52pm | #

No, I didn't think Romney was as good as Giuliani "all along."

My opinion changed dramatically back last August when William Weld backed Romney.

Nelson | January 29, 2008, 7:53pm | #

Cesar,

"Dondero, lets get back on topic. Please tell us how Romeny is socially liberal since hes both pro-life (which you used to say was THE issue!) and supports banning gay marriage?"

It's obvious...he's lying.

joe | January 29, 2008, 7:53pm | #

I'd say Romney has the upper hand over McCain for the nomination. There is a lot of McCain-hate in the Republican Party, while people just sort of disdain Mitt Romney.

DDS | January 29, 2008, 7:53pm | #

you see, I really don't get that. why do you care who is backing who? can you not make up your own mind?

Nash | January 29, 2008, 7:54pm | #

"McCain is gonna win Dondero. Jeez, every candidate you back loses, so of course you can only go after smaller fish like Ron Paul to make yourself feel better."

Eric can you back McCain next? I'd like the field to get even smaller. kthnx.

Brett | January 29, 2008, 7:54pm | #

Johnjackson, here's what happened:

Romney and Larsen were cordially discussing tax reform, when Romney starting laughing at one of the points Larsen raises (a 1% tax on all goods and services).

Larsen accuses Romney of laughing at Cato, which has researched this and Ron Paul's idea that you can abolish the income tax and still have the same revenue as in 2000. Romney says sure I'm laughing at Ron Paul because he wants to get rid of the CIA, FBI blah blah blah.

Interview then ends and Larsen gets angry about Romney's attitude. Says Romney just lost his vote, that Romney is an elitist snob and "a-hole" , Romney's gots his millions and doesn't care about the tax burden on ordinary people, this goes on for about 4 minutes. Larsen says now he's going to vote for Ron Paul.

Good stuff.

Mohammed Brannigan | January 29, 2008, 7:54pm | #

No joe, my real name is Ahmed Hassan Hussein, and I hate America. I'm trying to take down Rittberg for my Islamofascist buddies back home, inshallah.

We must go after Dondero. If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate!

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 7:54pm | #

Uh, oh. Ron Paul isn't doing too good. 3% with 12% precincts reporting.

Ouch! That's gotta hurt.

Maybe this should teach us a lesson. Calling Martin Luther King a "Gay Pedophile" is not a winning strategy even in the GOP primaries.

Bingo | January 29, 2008, 7:54pm | #

Eric Dondero:

Have you ever collected a paycheck that wasn't signed by a politician?

Sparky | January 29, 2008, 7:55pm | #

McCain's opened up a bit of a lead in the early going 34-31 with 12% reporting.

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 7:56pm | #

Did anyone really think Rudy had ANY chance to be the GOP nominee? If so, let me give you a rule of thumb that will improve your predictions in the future: the GOP does NOT nominate anyone who is pro-choice for President.

That was and is the end of the story. The Pro-Lifers and the NRA have the strongest veto power over any candidate on any single issue (the part with the most power across issues or over several issues are the pro-business factions [witness the absolute mauling of Huckabee when his candidacy showed life]).

Plant Immigration Rights Supporter | January 29, 2008, 7:56pm | #

I live in southern Florida on the Gulf coast side and untill recently the only signs I saw in yards were Ron Paul signs. Recently I have seen a couple of Romney signs and one McCain sign but still not as many as for Ron Paul. I also here Ron Paul radio commercials quite a lot. So take it from an actual Floridian Ron Paul dinero has been spent in Florida.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 7:56pm | #

Eric you still haven't answered my question. And when you do try to do it 1) on topic 2)without giving me your life story and 3)without name-dropping. Thanks!

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 7:58pm | #

Oh Lord, I ask so little of you...Well, actually I ask a lot and don't believe much in you, but PUH-LEEZE demonstrate to me that there is SOME justice in the world and hand Mitt Romney a defeat (both in FL and overall, but let's start in FL)...I have to believe that the American people are not THAT easily duped...

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 7:58pm | #

While I can understand the desire of some to "get serious" and quit backing Ron Paul, I think you misunderstand much of the meaning of the Ron Paul candidacy. I know he isn't going to be the next president. But the more support he gets, the more the Republican party will have to give up its imperialist dreams and tax & spend fantasies. Even if the GOP gives up those dreams by only 3%, it will have been worth it.

I don't expect the GOP to return to my line of thinking unless I stand up for what I believe in. It's a longview. Please understand.

Plant Immigration Rights Supporter | January 29, 2008, 8:00pm | #

I know Mr. Nice Guy, you want the Republicans to nominate someone who cannot win. Not that I am a big Romney fan but McCain or Huckabee would be much, much worse.

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 8:00pm | #

Amen Lamar. I'm not voting for RP, but I've been consistent here that if you are a libertarian, you'd be daft not to vote for the man. It's been a loooong time since a GOP candidate who can raise money like him and get attention like him has ever equated himself so blatantly as a libertarian...This is your chance to have your voice heard...

Nash | January 29, 2008, 8:01pm | #

"live in southern Florida on the Gulf coast side and untill recently the only signs I saw in yards were Ron Paul signs. Recently I have seen a couple of Romney signs and one McCain sign but still not as many as for Ron Paul. I also here Ron Paul radio commercials quite a lot. So take it from an actual Floridian Ron Paul dinero has been spent in Florida."

Well the signs are just from supporters. Are you sure the radio ads weren't from a grassroots PAC? I'm pretty sure the campaign did bother running ads there. I'm curious now.

Brandybuck | January 29, 2008, 8:03pm | #

What? No one wants to kick Dondero in the nuts? Geez, I thought that was going to be easy money. If I were going to be in Angleton, Texas soon I would do it myself. But it will be a few months until I can get down that way.

Plant Immigration Rights Supporter | January 29, 2008, 8:04pm | #

"Well the signs are just from supporters. Are you sure the radio ads weren't from a grassroots PAC? I'm pretty sure the campaign did bother running ads there. I'm curious now."

Well, I can tell you that at the end of the ad Ron's voice announced "I'm Ron Paul and I approve this message." I can tell the ads did not cost a great deal to produce but they were clean and too the point. They were well done but not fancy.

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 8:04pm | #

PIRS-You must be nuts...In the past here I've said that I should be rooting like crazy for Romney, because he is WAY easier to beat than McCain. A lot of non-Gopers like McCain. And for the hard-core Gopers who don't like him, what are they gonna do, vote for HRC? Not in a million years.

Romney would be easy pickings for a ruthless HRC campaign with lotsa money and press influence. His crazy and repeated flip-flops would be pointed out over, and over, and over. But worse, since even many of his supporters kind of are uneasy about his flip flops, they will not contest it with much vigor. He would be branded quicker than a product at a marketeers convention...

But I can't help it. The guy is so unprincipled I want to see him lose at every level, lest his flip-flopping pandering induce others to follow suit...

FS Maunsta | January 29, 2008, 8:06pm | #

Is this Dondero chap saying that, if it wasn't for those damn newsletters, Paul would have won Florida?

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 8:07pm | #

McCain is actually the only hope for the GOP, unless some major scandal comes and makes either Barak or HRC unelectable between now and Nov.

What would the Dems attack McCain on? They are for Campaign Finance and immigration reform (two areas he gets heat from the GOP). Just the war, and every GOP candidate has the same stance on that saving RP.

SIV | January 29, 2008, 8:07pm | #

Please tell us how Romeny is socially liberal

I'll bite:


Romney supports sensible gun control-
not only will he sign the assault weapons ban he wants to extend it to more lethal weapons.

Romney may be pro-life in his heart (aren't we all? even the president of NOW) but he understands that poor women can't exercise their Constitutional Right to choose unless the more affluent support their reproductive health. RomneyCare only requires a $50 copay for abortions.

That covers socially liberal, but where is the fiscal conservatism in his support of a centrally planned economy with massive corporate subsidies to stifle competition and innovation?

BakedPenguin | January 29, 2008, 8:08pm | #

PIRS - radio is cheap, and a lot of the signs are volunteer paid. The Paul campaign basically wanted to let its existing supporters know they weren't forgotten, but that's about it.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 8:08pm | #

Oh SIV you silly ideologue, Dondero has already told us true libertarians think the second-amendment issue is over-blow. /sarcasm

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:08pm | #

A Romney-Clinton election would put two weasels against each other. Does anybody believe that Romney is the superior weasel? People are turned off by the Clinton weasel machine, but Romney isn't the guy to turn them back on, because he's a gorram weasel himself.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | January 29, 2008, 8:08pm | #

SIV:

That Romney is so 2004.

Brian Courts | January 29, 2008, 8:09pm | #

'd say Romney has the upper hand over McCain for the nomination. There is a lot of McCain-hate in the Republican Party, while people just sort of disdain Mitt Romney.

joe, I don't think there is really as much McCain hate in the GOP as some people think. There is some for sure, but I think it's been greatly exaggerated and at this point there is not enough of it to stop his nomination, and even if there were Romney isn't the guy to do it.

Likewise, that talk the other day about the McCain-ing of Clinton in the Democratic Party is a bit exaggerated as well. Clinton and McCain will be the nominees, and Clinton will win. (and I don't say that as a supporter, just the way I see it).

Kolohe | January 29, 2008, 8:09pm | #

What would the Dems attack McCain on? ... Just the war.

That is sufficient.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 8:10pm | #

It IS McCain vs. Clinton, theres really little doubt when you think about it.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:11pm | #

McCain at least gives the GOP a chance to win.

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 8:11pm | #

SIV-Romney was socially liberal when he was running for office in a socially liberal state, and he is now socially conservative when running for office within a socially conservative party. Just like he was a social conservative in Iowa, which he thought was dominated by socially conservative ideas, and an economic reformer in Michigan, which he thought was motivated by economic concerns (polls after NH stated the economy was a bigger deal than the war to more voters, so switch the packaging and presto: economic reformer campaign)

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 8:11pm | #

The Democrats will attack McCain by 1) his crazy stance on the war 2) his age and 3) his temper. Hillary can turn him into Bob Dole v. 2.0 by the time its all over.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | January 29, 2008, 8:11pm | #

I think virtually all the McCain hate is concentrated on the internet.

SIV | January 29, 2008, 8:11pm | #

.... unless some major scandal comes and makes either Barak or HRC unelectable between now and Nov.

Hillary may have that covered on both fronts.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:11pm | #

Dondero has not emailed me for my real name. I'm hurt.

Sparky | January 29, 2008, 8:11pm | #

"McCain is actually the only hope for the GOP"

I have it on good authority (see Lonewacko's 7:44 PM post) that McCain has no shot at being elected cuz he knows a Mexican.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:12pm | #

If Romney was so "socially conservative" than why did he tell a reporter with the Christian Science Monitor on adult movies in hotel chains, "it's none of the government's damn business."

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | January 29, 2008, 8:13pm | #

Cesar,

The Democrats will attack McCain by 1) his crazy stance on the war 2) his age and 3) his temper. Hillary can turn him into Bob Dole v. 2.0 by the time its all over.

I think someone might be able to do that to McCain, but not Hillary Clinton.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:13pm | #

Votamos por McCaiñez.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 8:14pm | #

If Romney was so "socially conservative" than why did he tell a reporter with the Christian Science Monitor on adult movies in hotel chains, "it's none of the government's damn business."
Which Romney is that Dondero? The 2003 Romney or the 2008 Romeny?

For that matter how come you like a pro-life candidate so much now even though you said abortion was THE domestic issue which made you support Giuliani?

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 8:14pm | #

I'm not sure that Clinton will be the nominee, and as of recently I have hoped not.

I do think that things like 1. winning so much of the black vote in SC and 2. Ted Kennedy's endorsement did nothing to help Obama and hurt him in the long run...He does not want to be seen as the "black" or "liberal" candidate. It'll be the end of his chances...I would have turned Kennedy down in a heartbeat...And if I were him I would consider a "sister souljah" episode for his own good...

Sparky | January 29, 2008, 8:14pm | #

Dondero, if dirty movies in hotels your litmus test for socially liberal, you're setting the bar just a wee tad too low to have any credibility.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:14pm | #

Oh my. 25% precincts reporting in now, and Ron Paul is still at 3.16%.

Gonna be pretty funny watching the Paul fanatics trying to spin this one.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | January 29, 2008, 8:15pm | #

I think the real question about Romney isn't whether he's socially conservative or liberal or fiscally conservative or liberal. Rather it's why would anyone believe him when he claims a position, whatever it might be?

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 8:15pm | #

I'm making one of my early projections (100% accurate so far!) and calling it for McCain.

Plant Immigration Rights Supporter | January 29, 2008, 8:15pm | #

I agree he is unprincipled, he is, after all, a politician. But flip flops in and of themselves are not fatal (see also: Clinton, William Jefferson)

I can understand why the GLBT community would have animus towards Romney but they are not usually known as loyal Republican voters. Many of them would be were it not for the fact the OGP (Once Grand Party) has been hijacked by Salafi Christians.

Please do not misunderstand, I have no love in my heart for Mit Romney, I know he is not genuine when he speaks on a great many issues. I also get the same feeling watching him that I got when I watching Bill Clinton. He is, above all else, a pragmatist. I would (for pragmatic reasons) rather have a Republican Bill Clinton in the White House than someone like McCain or Huckabee. I don't want McCain because he has no respect for free speech. I don't want Huckabee because he would cement the Salafi Christians even more into the OGP than they already are.

SIV | January 29, 2008, 8:16pm | #

The gun grabbing Romney is 2008.I was paraphrasing a recent quote.

He brags of passing a health care program that requires people to pay for other's abortions.

The only conservative GOP candidate still runnning is going to finish FLA dead last.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 8:16pm | #

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job-

Do you think Obama could do that to McCain?

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 8:17pm | #

Bad news, Romney closing the gap 34-33...

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:17pm | #

Cheer up Ron Paul fanatics.

If he ends up with 3.16%, you all can fudge that to 4%. And nobody is going to care any ways. So, nobody will check up on you all.

Besides it's only .7% less than the true number. Who is going to call you on it?

Go ahead. Say "RON PAUL WINS 4% IN FLORIDA!!!"

Brian Courts | January 29, 2008, 8:17pm | #

Oh Lord, I ask so little of you...Well, actually I ask a lot and don't believe much in you, but PUH-LEEZE demonstrate to me that there is SOME justice in the world and hand Mitt Romney a defeat (both in FL and overall, but let's start in FL)...I

MNG, I'm afraid your prayer will fall on non-existent ears, but don't despair as Romney is going to win neither Florida nor the nomination, nor the presidency for that matter.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:18pm | #

None of the Northwest Florida Counties have reported yet. Romney should do real well up there.

We're in for a long, long night.

I'm standing by my prediction: Virtual tie - McCain and Romney, 33% each.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:18pm | #

Eric Dondero: Your very website encourages Ron Paul supporters to "get serious" and change their votes. Then when they do that, you spit venom at them. Are you saying that Ron Paul supporters are stupid because they bought into the arguments contained on your webpage?

FS Maunsta | January 29, 2008, 8:18pm | #

"I think virtually all the McCain hate is concentrated on the internet."

I guess you don't listen to Rush Limbaugh. Rush is much worse on McCain than he is on HRC.

SIV | January 29, 2008, 8:18pm | #

Obama's greatest strength and weakness is his inexperience.

Romney's greatest strength and weakness is you don't know where he stands.

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 8:19pm | #

"I don't want Huckabee because he would cement the Salafi Christians even more into the OGP than they already are."

I think Romney, in his actions and words of late, would be happy to be the standard bearer of such folks PIRS...My take on Romney is he's double damned: a fake, and faking it to the wrong, crazy side on most issues...

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:19pm | #

Romney should do better with the Absentees. Those won't be in for a few hours.

Barone is saying Absentee could be 1/3rd of the total Florida vote.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:20pm | #

Hannity hates McCain as well. It's a little funny listening to the man who spent every day lambasting John Kerry for flip flopping now give Mitt a free pass.

Doesn't anybody have a memory? Or at least class?

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 8:20pm | #

Why would Romney do better with absentees?

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:20pm | #

Lamar Alexander is that you?

I thought you were a Senator from Tenn. Of course, nobody can tell, since you only use your first name here at H&R.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:20pm | #

I think he meant the absent minded.

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 8:20pm | #

If Hannity, Limbaugh and Dondero all hate McCain, he must be doing something right...

Nash | January 29, 2008, 8:20pm | #

"Cheer up Ron Paul fanatics.

If he ends up with 3.16%, you all can fudge that to 4%. And nobody is going to care any ways. So, nobody will check up on you all."

He could get 28% and that would still translate into zero delegates since it's winner take all.

He's running for delegates to crash the convention. All the more reason to vote for him on Super Tuesday.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:20pm | #

Absentees traditionally more conservative.

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 8:21pm | #

"Obama's greatest strength and weakness is his inexperience."
SIV is hitting on something here. I think the reason why a senator has not been president in so long is they usually have so much experience, which usually means a long voting record one can be called on...In fact, I'm not sure it will hurt him at all...

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:21pm | #

Lamar is a childhood nickname comprised of a portion of my last name. Here in Florida people assume I'm mocking Lawson Lamar. I suspect it has more to do with Revenge of the Nerds, though.

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 8:22pm | #

i can't imagine the logic that says that "absentees" are more conservative.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:22pm | #

We're now up to 30% of the vote reporting in, and Ron Paul is STILL AT 3.1% according to Politico.com

I think it's safe to say the Ron Paul people are in for a very tough night.

Al Federber | January 29, 2008, 8:22pm | #

@ Lamar --

Dondero just likes calling people stupid. You know the type.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | January 29, 2008, 8:22pm | #

Cesar: I don't know whether Obama could (except on the war, where the answer is yes). That's a good question.

I actually don't think Obama would need to in order to win vs McCain though. (And I think Hillary Clinton would lose to McCain regardless of what she tried.)

Could be wrong.


MNG: Any Democrat will effectively have the Ted Kennedy endorsement in November, but by that point (and because it's a foregone conclusion), it really won't make a difference. It might help Obama in the Primary, which I think is his tougher contest.


By the way, I follow Cesar and call this for McCain.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 8:22pm | #

Hey Dondi, what about your man Giulani at 15%?

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:22pm | #

Michael BArone just said on Fox that the Absentees are breaking better for Romney.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:23pm | #

Yeah, but it doesn't make sense....

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:23pm | #

Hey Cesar, how about giving us a full name, instead of some phoney nickname from HBO's "Rome."

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 8:23pm | #

33% and counting, McCain is widening the gap.

Mortimer McMier | January 29, 2008, 8:24pm | #

Hey Dondero why is Giuliani at 15%?

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:24pm | #

Even if McCain wins in a squeaker in FL, one has to question his ability to win where the governor and GOP Senator aren't backing him.

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 8:25pm | #

"It's a little funny listening to the man who spent every day lambasting John Kerry for flip flopping now give Mitt a free pass.

Doesn't anybody have a memory? Or at least class?"

I saw the heading for an article on NRO the other day by Krauthammer reading "Capricious Candidate: One can change his mind on some things, but all things?" I thought, at last, someone on NRO has seen through Romney's fakery...The article was about John Edwards. Unbelieveable!

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:25pm | #

You mean Cesar isn't even a real nickname?

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:25pm | #

Oooh, all the Counties around Jacksonville, Volusia, Flagler, St. Johns are solidly Pro-Romney. Yet, Duval hasn't reported in yet. If Jax goes big for Romney, watch out!!

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 8:25pm | #

McCain has this in the bag now.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:26pm | #

C'mon Jacksonvilee! C'mon Navy Guys. Put Mitt Romney over the top!! You all can do it.

Let's go Jax!!

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 8:26pm | #

Lamar,

If he wins Florida, he's probably got everything west of Missouri (aside from Utah, Wyoming and Nevada...and maybe Idaho) wrapped up. Texas and California are gonna vote for him, not Taxachussetts Romney.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:26pm | #

I agree, he's got this one stashed away in the ol' goiter.

Brian Courts | January 29, 2008, 8:27pm | #

By the way, I follow Cesar and call this for McCain.

Hey now, I called it for McCain at 7:20 so get in line! :)

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:27pm | #

Very latest McCain at 33.6% Romney at 32.7%.

FS Maunsta | January 29, 2008, 8:27pm | #

Mr Dondero,

What is Paul's percentage? While you are at it, how should Paul's supporters feel about that percentage? Feel free to repeat the answer over and over.

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 8:27pm | #

Dondero's cheering is so sad.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | January 29, 2008, 8:27pm | #

Lamar: You could be right. Even if McCain wins tonight (which I think he probably will), Romney is by no means out, though I expect more endorsements will begin coming in for McCain. Again, just a guess.

LevStrauss | January 29, 2008, 8:28pm | #

Are there multiple Donderos tonight or just one Dondero on speed?

Brandybuck | January 29, 2008, 8:28pm | #

Absentees traditionally more conservative.
Which counts Romney out...

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:29pm | #

"Dondero's cheering is so sad."

So is the fact that you use a PHONEY NAME!

Give me your real name, phone number, and address before I'll respond to any of your points.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | January 29, 2008, 8:29pm | #

Correction:

I follow Cesar who himself followed Brian Courts in calling this for McCain.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:29pm | #

Oops, Paul just slipped to 3.08%.

Could he go under 3%?

Nah. Not even Paul could sink that low.

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 8:29pm | #

Speaking of Edwards: when the f*ck will that guy drop out already!?

Brett | January 29, 2008, 8:29pm | #

So Giuliani spends 40 or 50 million dollars on his campaign, and ends up with 15% of the vote in Florida. What a colossal waste of money.

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 8:30pm | #

stop talking to me Dondero

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:30pm | #

Democratic Primaries: 59% female voters
GOP Primaries: 56% male voters

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 8:30pm | #

Dondi must be crying for backing a loser twice. I hope he backs HRC next just to ensure her downfall.

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 8:31pm | #

MNG,

When Obama or Hillary bribes him the most to.

Kolohe | January 29, 2008, 8:31pm | #

at 827 p.m eastern time, the website that Yahoo Answerer put the link to has romney 236,000 to McCain 233,000

(2029 -> 251 to 243 Romney over mcain

Brian Courts | January 29, 2008, 8:31pm | #

Speaking of Edwards: when the f*ck will that guy drop out already!?

I'd think probably after next Tuesday and he definitely won't make it out of February.

Sparky | January 29, 2008, 8:31pm | #

"Oops, Paul just slipped to 3.08%. Could he go under 3%?"

I don't think anyone here expected Paul to do well tonight, Dondero. You're just making yourself look even more like a tool each time you post a comment like that.

Not that almost everyone here doesn't already know you're a tool, and a hack, and a liar, and a political whore; but there might be a couple people who are in the dark about you, so you should play it close to the vest.

Plant Immigration Rights Supporter | January 29, 2008, 8:31pm | #

"I think Romney, in his actions and words of late, would be happy to be the standard bearer of such folks [Salafi Christians] PIRS...My take on Romney is he's double damned: a fake, and faking it to the wrong, crazy side on most issues..."

If he gets the nomination he can "evolve" enough to atract a majority or pluriaty. Once he actually gets ellected he could "evolve" on the social issues the way Bill Clinton did. Once he is in office the OGP is stuck with him. When he runs for re-election he is almost certain to get the nomination and then he is running to get all voters. Given his stances before I think he is truly more of a social liberal and fiscal conservative. I think when he is actually in office he will govern that way.

From the Desk of Bitsy von Weltschmerz | January 29, 2008, 8:31pm | #

Eric Dondero-Rittberg, for every gloat you bleat, I will make one more Call 4 Paul.

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 8:33pm | #

Hey Kolohe,

We're already in the 300k's and McCain's still leading.

Brian Courts | January 29, 2008, 8:33pm | #

Democratic Primaries: 59% female voters

I noticed that it was pretty much 60-40 in SC too... I was wondering if that is the typical Democratic voter gender ratio?

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | January 29, 2008, 8:33pm | #

Brett:
So Giuliani spends 40 or 50 million dollars on his campaign, and ends up with 15% of the vote in Florida. What a colossal waste of money.
No, it's just a clever strategy involving the element of surprise. They won't suspect me if I continually lose to Ron Paul.

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 8:33pm | #

Do you think this is actually Donderdo and not some troll? Would any really serious person harp on the percentage totals over and over with playground-level analysis/gloat? What normal human being could just NOT get past the fact that part of blogs is people using handles? Could anyone expect the regulars here to just forget his raving posts about Guliania beings so great because he was pro-choice, how RP was evil because he was pro-life, how great Ann Stone and Republicans for Choice are, and then to suddenly back a very anti-choice candidate? I think it's just some contrarian dumbass at this point (unless this Donderdo is actually a neanderthal who has somehow escaped the extinction that so plagued his kin)....

Kolohe | January 29, 2008, 8:33pm | #

wow, a Florida election where the lead switched back and forth enroute to a phot finish. Who woulda thunk?

Al Newberry | January 29, 2008, 8:34pm | #

Let's call Eric Dondero for what he is: a bitter pseudo libertarian who will do anything to oppose any true libertarian idea while claiming to be a libertarian. Come on, Eric. It's okay to come out of the closet as the neocon you really are.

Perhaps if you really were a libertarian you wouldn't have been pushed out of Paul's organization. That's really why you're so rabidly anti-Paul.

BakedPenguin | January 29, 2008, 8:34pm | #

Hey guys - don't mock Dondero, he's a real American Hero!!

LevStrauss | January 29, 2008, 8:34pm | #

Rudy stops paying his staff and Dondero jumps ship to Romney. Today his new man ran away from a question about taxing social security recipients. He won't give a damn about cutting spending. That's what makes it pathetic.

Plant Immigration Rights Supporter | January 29, 2008, 8:34pm | #

According to the Florida DOS Romney is:
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:34pm | #

Miami/Dade has not reported anything yet. Not good for my guy Mitt.

But Jax should put Mitt back in the game, after Miami/Dade reports in.

And then there's always Pensacola.

Chris Potter | January 29, 2008, 8:34pm | #

You'd have to expect the Ron Paul rEVOLution would struggle in an election where 75% of the vote is cast by people 45 years and older. I knew they called FL "God's Anteroom", but I didn't know it was quite that skewed!

As the posters said above, it made more sense to concentrate on states where he can get some delegates.

The Bearded Hobbit | January 29, 2008, 8:35pm | #

Handles something leftover from the 1970s CB days

.. naw .. in the CB days I was known as "Long Haired Crud" ..

.. FYI ..

.. Hobbit

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 8:36pm | #

Al N,

Paul's association with Dondero probably bugs me more than anything. How could anyone have put up with this douchebag?

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:36pm | #

Geez, Al, didn't no there was such a thing as a Pro-Drug Legalization/Pro-Choice "NeoCon."

Is that some sort of new fangled ideology?

All the NeoCons I know are all Pro-Lifers.

Hey, Ron Paul is a Pro-Lifer. Must be a NeoCon.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 8:36pm | #

Dondero thats a lie. According to Plitico Miami-Dade has reported 10% in and Romney is being creamed by McCain, 45%-11 (!). Your boy is done.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:37pm | #

The Florida Young Republicans have always been one of the biggest YR groups in the Nation. The Florida GOP is much more youth-oriented than GOPs in Texas or other States.

Romney is doing well with younger GOP voters.

Cesar | January 29, 2008, 8:37pm | #

Romney is getting killed in South Florida. I guess pandering against "amnesty" will do that to you.

Eric Dondero | January 29, 2008, 8:38pm | #

Hey Augustus, or is it Caligula. One can never tell cause all you ever use is "Cesar."

Anyway, I admit it. My guy Mitt is going to get creamed in Miami/Dade. But I've got hope that Jax and Pensacola will bring him back up. There's a huge GOP vote in Jax.

Lamar | January 29, 2008, 8:38pm | #

Yep, and 44% of GOP voters are over 60.

tarran | January 29, 2008, 8:38pm | #

Eric, Eric, Eric,

Once again you prove what a moron you are. You're calling two Massachusetts Republicans, who've won elections in one of the most socialist states in the union, 'libertarian'? Actually, I guess you're not, you're calling them "fiscal cons", which you seem to equate with libertarianism. I don't understand how any economic libertarian could sign a law that cartelizes the medical insurance industry, especially when he was probably aware that it was guaranteed to wreck the budget. Of course, you are awfully loose with your terms, so perhaps the fiscally conservative does not mean "frugal with other people's money", but rather "sometimes holds back from spending like a drunken sailor". I guess such a loose definition would include Romney.

And Ron Paul an anarchist? Wow, he's sure done a great job of hiding it in the books he's written and speeches he's given. But hey, you were in his inner circle for ten years right? So you knew him pretty well?

I thought you hated anarchists? But you worked for one for how many years before you figured out he was one?

Eric, I don't mind you coming here and spouting off. If anything you make it easier for me to convince people that the republican party is no friend of liberty. But human decency compells me to beg you to stop. Every time you try to make an intellectual argument, you figuratively shit your pants. All you do is make yourself look stupid. Oh, and cause non-libertarians to think that libertarians are abusive, lying assholes.

You are a moron and ill suited for debating people. There is nothing to be ashamed of in that. It's like having really bad asthma and being unable to play football. When an asthmatic kid pines to play football, one feels sorry for him. When he insists on trying out for the team and takes a swing at anyone who tries to help him when he has an attack on the field, then one's sympathy runs out.

So my recommendation to you is to just stop. Yes, you like political power. Be content with such posts as your position on your local draft-board (BTW, nothing says libertarian like maintaining the engines of conscription). If you keep your moth shut and focus on your core competencies like standing in the cold begging passers-by for signatures, you will do fine. But the political power that requires good oratory and intelligent discourse is, I fear, far beyond your grasp, and your refusal to accept that makes you look like a fool.

Again, what you do is up to you, but I recommend that you learn to be at peace with being a moron, and stop shitting yourself all over the web. It's embarrassing to all concerned.

Brandybuck | January 29, 2008, 8:38pm | #

Dondero is a major tool if they thinks Navy guys are going to vote for Romney.

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 8:39pm | #

haha, there is no candidate out there that was pro-legalization except for Paul.

Warty | January 29, 2008, 8:39pm | #

Hey Cesar, how about giving us a full name, instead of some phoney nickname from HBO's "Rome."

This is so magnificently stupid that it must be repeated. Are you a performance artist, Dondero?

Chris Potter | January 29, 2008, 8:40pm | #

I've never seen a neocon wearing a G-string. Therefore, anyone wearing a G-string cannot be a neocon.

Brian Courts | January 29, 2008, 8:40pm | #

Hey Augustus, or is it Caligula.

Salad?

Do you think this is actually Donderdo and not some troll? Would any really serious person harp on the percentage totals over and over with playground-level analysis/gloat?

I think MNG is right...

Lost_In_Translation | January 29, 2008, 8:40pm | #

Chris,

That would...ironically, exclude Giuliani.

Plant Immigration Rights Supporter | January 29, 2008, 8:41pm | #

According to the Florida DOS Issue 1 is at 63% it needs 60% to pass.
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

RP supporter | January 29, 2008, 8:41pm | #

Of course Florida isn't Paul territory, it's stuffed to the gills with oldsters and mortgage fuck-ups, everyone of whom have their hand out for federal money.

We should let the Cubans have the whole state. Think we could talk Spain into taking it back?

Mr. Nice Guy | January 29, 2008, 8:43pm | #

PIRS-I doubt it. Studies show that politicians actually keep most of their election promises...

I also don't think that Bill Clinton made so many and so much drastic flip flops. He was a nuancing bastard for sure (I worked [volunteered] for Jerry Brown in 92 and that dirty bastard put some serious dirty tricks on Brown, so I doubt few have more legit Bil