Dan Savage Stands Up to the Speech Police, Defends His Use of 'Tranny'

Popular sex columnist Dan Savage finally gave a response to critics who had attacked him for using the word tranny in the context of a discussion about whether tranny was a hateful word.

During a moderated discussion at the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics (IOP) last month, Savage had explained why he stopped using the word tranny, which he viewed as offensive to some in the LGBT community. He had to actually say the word to make his point, however, and that triggered a transgender person in the audience—a person named Hex who identifies as an "it." Hex interrupted the discussion and demanded that Savage stop saying tranny, a word that made it feel unsafe.

Numerous free speech enthusiasts and civil libertarians defended Savage. He has now given a defense of his own. He began by summarizing what happened, from his perspective:

I asked the student who objected if it was okay for me to use the words "dyke" and "sissy." After a moment's thought the student said I could use those words—permission granted—and that struck me a funny because I am not a lesbian nor am I particularly effeminate. (And, really, this is college now? Professors, fellows, and guest lecturers need to clear their vocabulary with first-year students?) By the not-your-word-to-use standard, I shouldn't be able to use dyke or sissy either—or breeder, for that matter, as that's a hate term for straight people. (Or maybe it's an acknowledgment of their utility? Anyway...)

This student became so incensed by our refusal to say "How high?" when this student said "Jump!" that this student stormed out of the seminar. In tears. As one does when one doesn't get one's way. In college.

Savage saluted IOP for refusing to play speech police and censor future speakers—something trans activists demanded after the kerfuffle. He also demanded an apology from Hex and its friends, who have accused Savage of hate speech against trans people.

And as I've written previously: "False accusations of engaging in hate speech are themselves a form of hate speech—particularly in the hothouse environment of LGBT activism." It and its compatriot and [Queers United in Power] owe me, Ana Marie Cox, IOP, and all the students at U of C an apology.

At a time when more and more students are asking administrators to protect their delicate ears from overhearing anything that bothers them, it is more necessary than ever to push back against the muzzlers. Bravo to Savage for doing so.

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  • Gweskoyen||

    Bullshit. You don't use tranny if you're not transsexual, you don't use dyke if you're not lesbian, you don't use nigger if you're not black, you don't use cripple if you're not disabled. This has fuck-all to do with free speech, it's just common decency.

  • ||

    Fuck "decency". Words are just words. If you can't handle them, fuck you.

  • entropy_factor||

    +1

  • politicsbyothermeans||

    +2

    Also, fuck off Gweskoyen, you didn't get to tell me what comes out of my mouth.

  • SusanM||

    I've already had my say on this and I'm much more upset about Rik Mayall then Savage.

    But, just for discussion's sake, what if someone asked: So, freedom and liberty are just words too?

  • ||

    So, freedom and liberty are just words too?

    They're not epithets, but, uh, yeah. The fact that you're typing them using letters arranged in a recognizable sequence should have tipped you off to the fact that they are "just words".

  • Thomas O.||

    I'll agree that some words shouldn't be used in polite or public conversation, but if someone wants to crack a joke or quote a line from a movie (such as, oh, say, Blazing Saddles), they should be able to do so without fear of getting their ass kicked.

    And I definitely draw the line at "banning" certain words. Maybe it's just ceremonial (because First Amendment), but we shouldn't be giving certain words power by drawing attention to how offensive they are to some people.

  • Gweskoyen||

    So if your child is bullied, it's ok if it doesn't get physically attacked?

  • ||

    Does name-calling actually qualify as "bullying"? Is "not ok" the same as "prohibited" or "illegal"?

  • AlbedoAtoned||

    This was a college for one, on a discussion on these types of things. While I wouldn't normally use the word kid to describe adults in college, I think it works here. "It" as the person identified them-self as overreacted, and disrupted a respectful dialogue, doing more damage to their cause than Dan Savage ever could have by merely mentioning a word that let's face it, even he felt was offensive and that he normally avoided using.

    So yes, they were a kid. But they weren't being bullied, they were the bullies themselves, and were DISRUPTING DIALOGUE ON HOW SOME WORDS ARE HATEFUL. If anything was accomplished, it was that many will continue to use that word, part because of this student's efforts to stop all meaningful dialogue on the word. And to top it off, they were completely hypocritical about it when he asked what words he could use. Who identifies as sissies? Not anybody I know, I've always seen the label applied derogatorily, it's a slur, an insult. Why would it be okay to use one insult, but not another? What makes using one insensitive, and the other A-OK? I'm getting sick of this idea that once somebody becomes safe from attacks, it's okay to attack another. This idea that some people are safe to target, and others aren't, but they were safe to target years ago, but now that they are not okay to target, they join in and attack others. Stand up for your fellow human beings, don't leave them hanging simply because it isn't politically correct to do so.

  • Sevo||

    Gweskoyen|6.9.14 @ 7:14PM|#
    "So if your child is bullied, it's ok if it doesn't get physically attacked?"

    Uh, care to define "bullied"?

  • ||

    I believe the appropriate response to that is "Go fuck yourself."

  • datcv||

    I'm feeling very "unsafe" at all of this internet hostility from the safety of my desk nowhere near any of you.

  • waffles||

    Good. Because DesigNate's post was nothing but hatewords. Hatewords put together to other you and make you feel marginalized wherever you are.

  • waffles||

    So either you're a black crippled lesbian tranny or a hypocrite.

  • ||

    See, waffles, he said "you don't use...", not "I don't use...". He's telling us what we can and can't say. Doesn't apply to him.

  • SRVolunteer||

    You can't use the 'h' word unless you're one of us!

  • AlmightyJB||

    "black crippled lesbian tranny"

    How did you get into my porn search history? I was looking that up for a friend.

  • kbolino||

    I'm not really clear on how tribalism became an element of "common" decency.

  • Gweskoyen||

    How is this tribalism?

  • ||

    You mean, how is defining people and deciding what language they are allowed to use based upon entirely made up identity groups tribalism? You're right. That makes no sense whatsoever.

  • R C Dean||

    And I suppose you don't use "breeder" if you're not a hetero of breeding age.

    Or "cracker" unless you're white trash.

    Or "handicapped" unless you are "handi-capable"?

    What about "Negro"? Or "black"? Those used to be acceptable for white people, right? Are they still? Who do I ask? How do I ask an African-American without actually using the words?

    Its the constant moving of the goalposts that make this an exercise, not in decency, but in, dare I say, micro-aggression by certain people with an "activist" SJW mindset.

  • albo||

    How about "blackamoor?" Or "quadroon?" Bring back the colorful language of our ancestors, you slubberdegullions!

  • Calvin Coolidge||

    Stop niggling over details, maybe you need to step outside and smoke a fag to calm down. Watch out for the chiggers, though!

  • The Original Jason||

    I hear that "colorful language of our ancestors" anytime someone uses my full name...

  • Paper Wasp||

    How can you be so niggardly?

  • Gweskoyen||

    Well, if you want to stay a fucking bigot, I won't enact laws to stop you. I'll still call you a fucking bigot.

  • ||

    You can't use the word bigot unless you're a bigot. Check your privilege, m8

  • Moonshiner||

    You sir, win the internet with that glorious comment. I wish I could upvote it :D

  • Sevo||

    Gweskoyen|6.9.14 @ 7:18PM|#
    "Well, if you want to stay a fucking bigot, I won't enact laws to stop you. I'll still call you a fucking bigot."

    Gee, asshole idjit, I guess I'll live with you lying.

  • Tony||

    Correct that you say "you're a ___" in a kind way if you're not a member of the group. But just saying the words in a discussion about them is not that (otherwise you're being quite indecent right now). Savage wasn't calling anyone a tranny from what I know, but discussing the use of the word. The kid was a little unhinged.

  • WTF||

    And if anyone knows unhinged, it's Tony.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    +1 unsupported door

  • Hyperion||

    When Tony says you are unhinged, that means that you are way out in looney toon land.

  • John||

    We you are such a loon Tony can see it...

    Wow.

  • ||

    I always thought tranny was short for transvestite, not transsexual.

    I want Eddie Izzard's opinion on this. And flags.

  • Agammamon||

    They tend to get conflated by the Neanderthals (or should that be 'the N-slurs').

  • SForza||

    I want cake. And death, too, eventually. But not yet. For now, just cake, please.

  • WTF||

    The cake is a lie.

  • derpules||

    I see what you did there.

  • Rasilio||

    So you're telling us that you are a transsexual lesbian black who is disabled?

  • GILMORE||

    "Common" decency?

    Do you mean 'populist groupthink'?

  • Gweskoyen||

    I don't think you know what populist means.

  • GILMORE||

    Populist in the sense that the only thing validating these claims is the willingness of a bully majority to attempt to claim that simply 'saying' a word is tantamount to 'bigotry', and viciously attack people who refuse to adapt to their intimidation.

    There's certainly no 'logic' behind it. Or 'law'.

    Tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny

    Anyone offended, please raise its hand.

  • SusanM||

    How about I just raise a finger? :P

  • SusanM||

    Just kidding, BTW.

  • Thomas O.||

    I'm seeing two hands go up... Optimus Prime's and Megatron's. :P

  • ||

    Given your contribution to this discussion, I don't think you're in a good position to be explaining the meaning or usage of words to anybody else.

  • ||

    Also, you can't use the word populist unless you are populist. Check your privilege again, m8

  • MJGreen||

    I identify as whatever I am when I use the word. So if I say tranny, it's because I identify as transsexual at that moment. Sure, usually I identify as a straight white man, but sometimes I identify as a crippled nigger dyke. Who are you to tell me I am not!?

  • Gweskoyen||

    Stop being a fucking bigot.

  • ||

    Stop being a fucking moron.

  • Paper Wasp||

    I use all of those words, and yet fall into none of those categories. And I will continue to do so, without guilt or shame. And there's not a damned thing you can do about it. It has EVERYTHING to do with free speech.

    If you don't like free speech, you don't have to keep reading or keep listening. You can go back to Jezebel, and stay in your bubblewrap-padded little world.

  • Gweskoyen||

    Oh poor little bigot, afraid I want to censor him. No, I don't want to persecute you. You have the right to be an asshole! Just don't be surprised if people hate you.

    Oh, and I never read Jezebel.

  • ||

    Just don't be surprised if people hate you.

    I think that's hate speech. Why do you engage in hate speech, you bigoted bigot?

  • AlbedoAtoned||

    Why can't everybody just get along. Why do people always have to hate others. If I or somebody else tries to say "I don't like this word, I usually try to avoid using it because I don't want to hurt others. And I have to use the word in order for the audience to know what word I am talking about." Somebody is there to perpetrate a different kind of hate. They say "You just used that word, even though you meant it in an explanation for why it is bad, I hate you." And to top it off, they gave a short list of words that were OK as if they were the authority on what is offensive and not.

    It's things like that that teach you the difference between courtesy, kindness, respectful, decent, and just all around good mannered on one hand and political correctness on the other.

    Isn't it funny how they go from being offended to offering other targets. If merely using a word you identify as or were derogatorily labeled as before is offensive, then shouldn't the same apply to others?

    And how are people supposed to know why some words are offensive if the only people that can use them are those that were labeled or identify as such. I guess nobody can defend their fellow human beings that way.

    Talking about a label I have been labeled as has never hurt me, being labeled derogatorily has, and only to the extent that I let it. There is a difference

  • Suicidy||

    I do. Tough shit to anyone who doesn't like it.

  • AlbedoAtoned||

    Tranny doesn't mean Transsexual. Tranny is a derogatory slur against crossdressers and those the user deems a crossdresser, in that way it means transvestite. Tranny is used not just for people who identify as the sex they were assigned at birth, but also for people who are transsexual, as a way of discounting their gender identity. Notice how I said "derogatory". It isn't usually a self-identification, though I suppose somebody could identify as such and more power to them. Same as sissy, though I am unsure about dyke. All times I have heard those terms though were also derogatory, though again, it is possible for one to identify as such.

    None of this matters though, because even a simple reading of this article, one could see that what Savage was that the word was offensive, and that he only used it to talk about how he viewed it as offensive, and that he had stopped using it for that reason.

    If the mere mention of the word is enough to offend you, then sorry, but that's your problem. I don't know much about Savage, but I can tell he wasn't trying to bully anybody, and was trying to explain how he avoided such by avoiding the use of said slur. If we can't even say why it is offensive without offending anybody, then the word keeps all of it's power.

    You should be explaining why such a word hurts others, but you can't do that if you can't use the word even in said explanation.

  • Pulseguy||

    But, but, but...you just did. You're indecent. Or, you're a crippled, black, lesbian transsexual. In which case sorry if I offended you.

  • AlbedoAtoned||

    So are you those things? Because you used those words. Or does it not count when you use them. Besides, as I pointed out above, you're assigning too much power to the word and none to the meaning or intent. See, words themselves have no power, normally. If somebody said many many years ago that they were gay, then others would have assumed they meant happy. Because that's what the word meant at the time. Words like faggot used to have innocent meanings, but took on a derogatory slur, not because they were naturally mean or derogatory, but because those that used them MEANT them as such.

    Derogatory words separate people, they divide us and derive their power from both the people speaking them, and also the people hearing them. Again, some words have different connotations depending on the speaker's intent. In this case, Dan Savage did not want to say the word in a derogatory manner. He was intending to draw attention to how it was derogatory. If you say, only certain people can use those words, then you aren't helping anybody. You're dividing the people, and creating hate in another way. You're putting hate that is not there, in his mouth.

    When you do that, it shows you would rather have another enemy than another friend.

  • steedamike||

    I like you.

  • Live Free or Die||

    I don't like that he uses the word tranny but, to use a cliche, his actions speak louder than words and he has done a lot for the transgender community. Once Hex gets out in the real world, it's going to have a rough time if a single word from a supportive LGBT rights advocate sends it running out of a room in tears. Good on Dan Savage for not giving into the hysteria that's now so common in the LGBT community. There are real issues the community should be looking at- Dan Savage's use of a word is not one of them.

  • politicsbyothermeans||

    Forgot to add, your use of tranny, dyke, nigger and cripple are EXACTLY the same as the way Savage used them. Unless you are a transexual, lesbian, otherly-abled black you are just as bad as him.

    *runs off crying*

  • JW||

    This student became so incensed by our refusal to say "How high?" when this student said "Jump!" that this student stormed out of the seminar. In tears. As one does when one doesn't get one's way. In college.

    Did they deploy the Crisis Counselor Strike Team?

  • DC_36||

    I expected this guy to push back - he's made his brand on his "Type A" personality.

    But until he extends the rationale he used here, to areas outside of his personal benefit and to it's logical conclusion of the fact that the idea of "hate speech" and demanding people not use certain terms is ridiculous - he still sucks.

    Plus he's, even in this apology, antagonistic toward straight people, and people who are not him. And I hate when people "demand apologies" from anyone for any reason. He still sucks.

  • ||

    I used to like it when he would give fun, silly sex advice (about 10 years ago). Now he's just a shrieking harpy.

  • Agammamon||

    I used to read his column to see the WIERD shit people do to get off that is surprisingly common.

  • ||

    Yes, he was at his best when giving rational advice about love relationships to people with diaper fetishes.

    When he got all political it started to suck.

  • Bee Tagger||

    Apologies should be accepted, not requested.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    "Words are hurtful when used in a manner we disapprove of by people we don't like."

    What could be more straightforward than that?

  • R C Dean||

    Words are hurtful when used in a manner we disapprove of by people we don't like.

    The mask, as they say, slips.

  • Raston Bot||

    I'm outraged there's no equivalent slander for white male.

  • ||

    Is cis shitlord not good enough for you?

  • UnCivilServant||

    If it doesn't offend me, it's not a slur against straight white males.

    Your suggestion fails to reach that threshold.

  • Calvin Coolidge||

    You just aren't sensitive enough. No cookie for you until you learn to be more easily outraged by what some idiot has to say.

  • UnCivilServant||

    If I were easily outraged, I wouldn't lay out troll bait in the AM Links, now would I?

  • Calvin Coolidge||

    If you were easily outraged, you wouldn't realize that your morning rant was troll bait, and you would dutifully enter all the replies into your meticulous journal of Microagressions.

  • PatriotInTheOriginalSense||

    Speaking of AM links... how in the fuck does one subscribe to get those? I only get the PM links. :(

  • Raston Bot||

    Too many syllables plus too cryptic. Is CIS an acronym?

    If you're going to have 3+ syllables, then it must be simple and universally understood, i.e. spear chucker.

  • ||

    "cis-" is the Latin-derived prefix derived from the preposition meaning "on this side of." Cisgendered means you identify as the same gender you physically appear. Cissexual means you want to have sex with the opposite gender. Ciswoman means a biological woman who identifies as a woman and wants to have sex with men, etc.

    The more cis you are, the greater the shitlord.

  • SugarFree||

    "Normal" is the last of the truly deadly insults.

  • Brandon||

    Which is odd because the people who use "cis" and shit like that are trying to enforce absolute conformity.

  • SugarFree||

    Yes, imagine if we tried to force everyone else to identify as "not-libertarian" when describing themselves.

  • John C. Randolph||

    And boy, do they ever get pissy when you point that out to them. It's more fun than popping bubble wrap.

    -jcr

  • ||

    Cis- is a linguistic hairshirt. The rapidity that it's jumped into everyday conversation both frightens and annoys me.

  • ||

    I find it genuinely odd. But it's also such an internet/subculture thing. I see it all the time, and encounter people who use it and know what it means all the time, but I'm also having to explain it to some poor normal sap in real life what it means like once a week.

  • Zing||

    but I'm also having to explain it to some poor normal sap in real life what it means like once a week.

    Um, why? That seems like a conversation I'd be happy to avoid. I certainly wouldn't volunteer to explain the terminology on a regular basis.

  • ||

    Because you say, "I read this crazy shit on the internet today," and your boyfriend is like, "wtf does 'cis' mean again?"

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Maybe because she isn't a proggie bigot who looks at anyone outside the little academic bubble that created the utter tripe that is the prefix "cis-" as somehow inferior?

  • ||

    I used cisgender sarcastically and an Episcopalian minister of friend got excited that I knew the term. Luckily he grew up in a Baptist household, so he's pretty tolerant of me mocking him when he goes off the lefty rails.

  • robc||

    I literally think I made it far into 2014 before I knew what it meant.

    I only knew who used it, I hadnt figured out which "side" was cis- until just recently.

  • ||

    Oh look, nicole just cis-splained things to us. Check your privilege, nicole!

  • ||

    I also sis-splained them.

  • GILMORE||

    Pretty sneaky, Cis!

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Cisgendered means you identify as the same gender you physically appear.

    Are you saying there is a normal or some hurtful shit like that?

    Quit othering!

  • Suicidy||

    You mean, the more normal the person.

  • AlmightyJB||

    "cis shitlord"

    I'm giving serious thought to changing my moniker right now.

  • Cis Shitlord||

    AHH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

  • AlmightyJB||

    DOH!

  • Pulseguy||

    My cister actually is my sister.

  • WTF||

    Cracker? Honky? Ofay?

  • flye||

    Cracker?! Ruined my day.

  • Brett L||

    "DEAD HONKEY!"

  • Voros McCracken||

    Probably the pinnacle of SNL.

  • Raston Bot||

    If someone yelled any of those at me, it would brighten my already awesomely bright day.

  • UnCivilServant||

    I'd just be confused. They trigger zero emotional response, which is the whole point of shouting slurs at people.

  • WTF||

    That's because your white privilege doesn't allow you to perceive the hurtfulness of words. It shields you, which is why you can't understand the hurt they actually cause others.

    Or some such bullshit along those lines.

  • Pulseguy||

    I'm okay with cracker, but being a Canadian, sometimes we're called 'Cheeseheads', so I really, really feel bad when someone uses the term 'Cheese and Crackers?'

    They just don't understand how that hurts.

  • RBS||

    I got called a cracker a couple of weeks ago. My response was basically "um, ok, and...?"

  • Warren's Strapon||

    I only respond to "cracker-assed cracker." And I respond with "Yes?"

  • Rasilio||

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    THAT WAS AWESOME!

  • ||

    I quite agree

  • Agammamon||

    I'm outraged there's no equivalent slander for white male.

    Peckerwood?

  • ||

    WASP.

  • Pulseguy||

    white male is the slander

  • BilboTeabaggins||

    I drive an F-150 myself, but this is pretty funny:

    http://totalfratmove.com/this-.....your-ford/

    Borderline NSFW. Probably safe if no women or fags too close.

  • SugarFree||

    a transgender person in the audience—a person named Hex who identifies as an "it."

    "It" is not a gender, therefore Hex isn't trans* in any sense of the term.

  • WTF||

    Check your privilege and stop othering the validity of its self-identification!

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    It's just between genders at the moment.

  • ||

    I think "Hex" is whatever gender allows it to be offended at a given moment. See how convenient that is?

  • JW||

    Well, Hex was always a bit over the top.

  • waffles||

    Oh dear. That is probably what it was going for.

  • ||

    Is "itkin" a thing?

  • SugarFree||

    I think Hex is just going for genderlessness. Which isn't a trans identity. Genderlessness is usually adopted by females with boy-faces and a body only a cooper could love.

  • waffles||

    cooper? One who sleeps with chickens?

  • waffles||

  • SugarFree||

    cooper noun \ˈkü-pər \
    a person who makes or repairs wooden casks or barrels

  • pmains||

    "sleeps with chickens" sounds like either an awesome band name or a mafia threat gone wrong.

  • The Original Jason||

    I wonder how genderless people are treated in Islam...

  • Tonio||

    Actually, Sug, gender is a linguistic concept and some languages which do have gendered nouns have male, female and neutral nouns. German, for example.

    Unfortunately, because of puritanical squeamishness over the word "sex", people have started using "gender" when they mean "sex".

  • SugarFree||

    I can see the concept of genderlessness being shoehorned into trans*, but trans* is usually differentiated from genderlessness to indicate that a trans* individual is still accepting a gender binary (a common complaint about trans* by the genderless.)

    Considering that "tranny" is traditionally an insult for male-to-female transgenders or transvestites, it seems a bit po-faced for Hex to consider itself triggered by a mere discussion of the word.

    Hex sounds like a sandy little butthole.

  • GILMORE||

    Which is funny, because 'its' name is Sandy!

  • Bill Dalasio||

    I was about to comment much the same. Of course, turning the discussion over to science would cause no end of whinging about the unfairness of it all.

  • Zing||

    Serious question, apart from common courtesy, why am I concerned with what the named person chooses to be called?

  • SugarFree||

    That's the only reason.

    For me it's like arguing over the rules of Monopoly. Of course it means nothing to the real world, but I find it entertaining to force constructs to be internally consistent.

  • Zing||

    So, then, in return, wouldn't common courtesy dictate that they be charitable and gracious when confronted with true ignorance? It seems like a one way street here.

  • SugarFree||

    No, because they aren't interested in being charitable, they are interested only in confrontation. The sandy butthole crowd is actively looking to be offended. Nothing will ever satisfy them because they aren't interested in changing people's minds, they are just in it for the complaining and the ability to maintain a siege mentality.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    What rules of Monopoly are inconsistent?

  • Pulseguy||

    Railroads in real life cost more than Hotels.

  • DFG||

    Because you don't want to commit a pronoun crime. For example, it appears that referring to the soldier formerly known as Bradley Manning as "he" is one of the worst things anyone can do in this life. I've seen a number of comment section arguments that began with discussions of espionage and alleged war crimes go completely off the rails over demands that Pvt. Manning be referred to in her current choice of pronoun before any further conversation could continue. The people who care about this REALLY care about it.

  • cavalier973||

    demands that Pvt. Manning be referred to in her his current choice of pronoun before any further conversation could continue.

    FIFY

  • cavalier973||

    Ha! I didn't fix it at all! I made it worse!

  • Paper Wasp||

    Can't wait to see Its everywhere demanding equal hiring, college admissions, military service, etc. Which you know they'll do. And probably get.

  • R C Dean||

    [checks privilege] In tip top working order, thanks for asking.

  • antisocial-ist||

    I'm gonna go ahead and say it. Whole lotta butt hurt in that article.
    * ducks and runs*

  • albo||

    F*ck. You're making me like Dan Savage. Damn you.

  • Tonio||

    Plot working. Extra rations for all minions tonight.

  • Dweebston||

    He had to actually say the word to make his point, however, and that triggered a transgender person in the audience

    Can we please not give into this parlance? If Savage's use of the word "triggered" a psychotic break or panic attack or epileptic fit, or some other authentic physio-psychological episode, then say so. Otherwise, this person ("it") was merely offended by Savage's use of the word.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    But when you're triggered, you have no control. When you're offended, you have the ability to stop being offended.

    /Victimology 101

  • UnCivilServant||

    If you can be triggered, we must institutionalize you for your own safety and take away your rights until you can be proven to be able to function as a normal human adult.

  • ||

    This. Seriously.

    Instead of tiptoeing around people who have "trigger-words", we should be treating them like the emotionally unstable people they admit that they are.

    Asking people to respect one's triggers is a bit like bringing a bomb to a peace summit and warning people they better not piss you off.

  • Pulseguy||

    In Canada about 40 years ago a few women killed their husbands and beat the rap saying they were PMS'ing. Women's groups were ecstatic. Then, based on those decisions, a few women didn't get promoted to sensitive positions because in the past they had taken time off for severe PMS. Suddenly women's groups weren't so happy about it. The whole PMS as a defense passed.

  • GamerFromJump||

    Which just goes to show, women's groups don't want equality, they want the right to harm men without consequence.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Can we please not give into this parlance?

    Agreed.

    The next time I hear "triggered" it better be in reference to some sort of weapon.

  • ||

    The next time I hear "triggered" it better be in reference to some sort of weapon.

    Whoah, way to other drummers and electronic musicians there, guy.

  • radar||

    I can't say this with 100% certainty, but I feel reasonably confident that Dan Savage only gives a shit about free speech when its his own speech, and is more than happy to pile on when the free speech in question is something he doesn't like.

  • Restoras||

    Probably, since that basically describes everybody.

  • R C Dean||

    As I am not homosexual, I'm not allowed to say "queer", am I? Can I even say the name of the group "Queers United in Power"?

  • UnCivilServant||

    Now that's just an odd question.

  • ||

    You can say queer, but you can't call someone queer.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    WHat if he means strange?

  • Agammamon||

    See, if you're straight and you say f*g its gets censored. F*g - see.

    Also Q***r isn't *for* homosexuals anymore. Its for those, you know what, I'ma let Wikipedia finish for me.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer

  • ||

    Why bothering to learn the rules when the rules are different in the heads of each person you meet?

    I read these books when I was a little kid, and then was completely baffled by the other use of queer. As far as I'm concerned queer refers to mysteries solved in part by a sleepy hound.

  • Agammamon||

    Oh, the past is such an innocent place.

    And I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to cash in on that nostalgia by commissioning a series of gay porno flicks based on the titles.

  • Agammamon||

    Also - what is up with homosexual privilege. Why do gays *and* lesbians get their own letters in the LBGTBBQWTF alphabet soup?

  • waffles||

    I read those books too. I like the word queer, it's like eerie.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Is cis shitlord not good enough for you?

    Pffft- I've been kicked out of worse places than this.

  • ||

    Theory: grievance mongering is a secret plot by Big PhRMA to drive sales of hypertension medication.

    *Tips tinfoil hat in a jaunty manner*

  • Dweebston||

    Tinfoil caps are a cultural hallmark of conspiracy theorist fringers. QUIT APPROPRIATING OUR IDENTITY, SHITLORD.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Shooter update:

    Jerad Miller sketched out his interests with the groups and individuals he “liked” on Facebook, including Operation American Spring, Alliance Defending Freedom, the National Rifle Association, The Heritage Foundation, Rand Paul 2016, Three Percenter Nation, and Ron Paul.

    Amanda Miller also “liked” Ron Paul, Freedom Works, and Three Percenter Nation, in addition to various paranormal groups, Stop Amnesty, and Drudge Report.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/201.....deathwish/

    (Just to prove John wrong)

  • WTF||

    First off, the retarded don't rule the night. They don't rule it. Nobody does. And they don't run in packs. And while they may not be as strong as apes, don't lock eyes with 'em, don't do it. Puts 'em on edge. They might go into berzerker mode; come at you like a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. You might be screaming "No, no, no" and all they hear is "Who wants cake?" Let me tell you something: They all do. They all want cake.

  • SugarFree||

    In more hilarious news: Cop Busted for Using Hidden Bathroom Cameras to Film Pooping Men

    Here's a contender for Best Local News Story of 2014: Through dogged, gumshoe reporting, KTVI's Chris Hayes tracked down the person—a now-former cop—who police say placed hidden cameras in restrooms around Chesterfield, Mo. and posted videos of men pooping to the internet.

    "When I saw myself pooping, I was just like you've gotta be kidding me," Rob Cheney told KTVI, adding that he'd just moved to Chesterfield last month. "Three weeks and I'm already on a poop cam pretty much. So three weeks and everybody's seen me poop? That's terrible. Hahaha."

    More glory hole at the link...

  • Uncle Jay||

    1. Is this the new "poop police" I've heard so much about?
    2. Do these people who are videotaped get "wiped out" when they're done?
    3. How does one get such a shitty job?
    4. Who says there's no privacy any more?
    5. This is a good argument for more and bigger government. This way the government can watch out for our ass as they watch our ass. Who can argue against that?

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Hex interrupted the discussion and demanded that Savage stop saying tranny, a word that made it feel unsafe.

    Fuck your feelings.

    Savage saluted IOP for refusing to play speech police and censor future speakers—something trans activists demanded after the kerfuffle. He also demanded an apology from Hex and its friends, who have accused Savage of hate speech against trans people.


    Am I allowed moment of Schadenfreude? This beast of Repressive Tolerance/Political Correctness is of Savage and the Progressives' own making.

  • ||

    Eh, I don't know that Savage has been a particularly vociferous champion of political correctness. When he first started his column he demanded that people address him with "Hey Faggot" because he wanted people to stop treating it like it had power in-and-of itself.

    The Santorum thing was a bit tacky, but it was also a poetic response to Rick referring to gay marriage and man-on-dog as equivalent things. It was a nice lesson on how it's not just meaningless to link concepts in people's minds.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    What I don't like about Savage is that he wants to play Mr. Bombthrower, Mr. Controversy, and if his critics don't like it, they just need to suck it up (like santorum). On the flipside of the coin, he starts in with this "It Gets Better" nonsense. So it's okay for Savage to lob bombs at people he doesn't like, and they should just lie down for it, but somebody lobs them at gay people and "It Gets Better"? Fuck that. Either the filter is on or its not. A man can't advocate Savagery out of one side of his mouth and Civility out of the other.

  • Seamus||

    I'd really prefer not to discuss what Savage does with his mouth.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    You're going for a record, aren't you, Shreeek? Rub some paint thinner on your dick to make it more sensitive.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    In more hilarious news: Cop Busted for Using Hidden Bathroom Cameras to Film Pooping Men

    Smell-o-vision?

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Cissexual means you want to have sex with the opposite gender. Ciswoman means a biological woman who identifies as a woman and wants to have sex with men, etc.

    FREAKY!

  • GILMORE||

    "Savage had explained why he stopped using the word tranny, which he viewed as offensive to some in the LGBT community. He had to actually say the word to make his point, however, and that triggered a transgender person in the audience—a person named Hex who identifies as an "it." Hex interrupted the discussion and demanded that Savage stop saying tranny, a word that made it feel unsafe"

    It feels unsafe.

    I'm throwing in here with the person here who said, "this is the world these idiots deserve", where they tear each other apart over each others idiotic self-important victim-roles.

    It does nothing but give me an entire arsenal of rhetorical angles to use the next time some SJW type starts fulminating about the oppression of the endicked. I can simply flop on a word and declare myself to have been un-safed by their hurtful slur-vocabuthink and evilness and demand they apologize for uttering hate-sounds.

  • waffles||

    You sound white.

  • GILMORE||

    Irish. I find most white people to be offensively 'flesh tone' tinted.

  • Rasilio||

    Ya Know the Buttplug got me thinking.

    So the Feminists have adopted this "not all men" bs meme to shoutdown anyone who dares challenge their rape culture lunacy.

    Perhaps we should adopt a corresponding "not all progressives" meme.

    Since every single murderous dictatorship in the last century was a child of progressivism we need someone to start making up memes like

    Mao - 60 million murdered
    Stalin - 20 Million murdered
    Hitler - 6 million murdered

    "Not all progressives"

  • Agammamon||

    Well, here's Pinochet. But he was still small potatoes compared to the progs.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Hitler was an arch conservative. You Jonah Goldberg types will never redefine fascism.

  • Hyperion||

    Yes, as leader of the national socialist party, he was a real right wing nut. Derp.

  • SugarFree||

    What is it about #notruesocialistman that you can't get, Hyperion?

  • Hyperion||

    The only reason that proggies, like Shreek, go to such great effort to try to convince people that the Nazis were right wing, is because they need some sort of answer to the murder numbers of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and other assorted lefties. It's just another total failure on their part, but if not for grasping at straws, they'd have nothing.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Fascism is considered by certain scholars to be right-wing because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[40][41] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the right, explaining that "the more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[42]

    Italian Fascism gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[43][44] A major element of fascism that has been deemed as clearly far right is its goal to promote the right of claimed superior people to dominate while purging society of claimed inferior elements.

    Wikipedia.

    I know you wingnuts hate scholars and "book learnin" but you lost this one a long time ago.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Bullshit. That is nothing more than a "scholarly" ad hominem against conservatism. Being a racist does not put you on the conservative end of the political spectrum.

  • Restoras||

    Indeed. In the 20's and 30's, it was the Proggies that were the leading racists.

  • ||

    Eh, I'd avoid conflating historical (big P) Progressives and modern "liberal is a dirty word, let's rebrand" progressives. Strains of big P Progressivism ended up to varying degrees all over our modern political spectrum. There's certainly a heavy dose of it in the modern progressive movement, but conflating the two muddies the waters (I have no fucking clue why modern progressives thought it was a positive rebranding, penitentiaries, eugenics and the temperance movement sucked balls).

    Any discussion of right/left is a definitions tar baby. PB's quote used equality as the metric, but why should equality matter more than monarchist/republican, interventionist/laissez-faire, etc?

    You guys might as well be arguing on whether toilet paper rolls should face forward or behind.

  • SugarFree||

    Forward, obviously.

  • ||

    The correct orientation of the toilet paper roll is facing behind, you imbecile.

  • SugarFree||

    Yeah, so it will bunch up as you try to unroll it.

    Behinders are retarded. (I will make an exception for a home with cats, or at least cats no one has had the foresight to train properly.)

  • ||

    I will make an exception for a home with cats

    How about a fucking trigger alert next time, you insensitive jackass? Some of us have PCSD, you ableist fuck.

  • SugarFree||

    I have diabetes! /trump card

  • ||

    I have diabetes! /trump card

    Woe be unto the cis-pancreased for we cannot trump argue with that!

  • ||

    The correct orientation of the toilet paper roll is facing behind, you imbecile.

    Does it matter if you're foreskin-challenged or had deep dish for dinner the night before?

  • SugarFree||

    Stop microagressing against me, jesse. I feel unsafe.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    You guys might as well be arguing on whether toilet paper rolls should face forward or behind.

    No time for that, man! We still need to determine the correct pizza. Deep dish!

  • ||

    I'm with EDG on this, and anyone who disagrees is worse than Hitler!

  • Anonymous Coward||

    No time for that, man! We still need to determine the correct pizza. Deep dish!

    BLASPHEMER!

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    Strains of big P Progressivism ended up to varying degrees all over our modern political spectrum.

    That was true at first, but they were pretty good at getting everybody lockstep in line within a generation. Those Progs (big P) who were forced out or left behind banded together to become the beginnings of the SoCon movement.

    The modern progs and the modern SoCons are the ideological spawn of Teddy Roosevelt and the Progressive Party.

  • John C. Randolph||

    They still are. The progtards are the ones who demand racial discrimination as a sacrosanct public policy.

    -jcr

  • Anonymous Coward||

    The keystone of the Fascist doctrine is its conception of the State, of its essence, its functions, and its aims. For Fascism the State is absolute, individuals and groups relative. Individuals and groups are admissible in so far as they come within the State. Instead of directing the game and guiding the material and moral progress of the community, the liberal State restricts its activities to recording results. The Fascist State is wide awake and has a will of its own. For this reason it can be described as " ethical". -The Doctrine of Fascism, Benito Mussolini & Giovanni Gentile


    Because there is nothing more libertarian than an absolute State in which individuals and groups are merely relative.

    Nothing.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    No one is talking about libertarianism.

    Libertarianism (depending on the setting) could be anti-conservative.

    In Iran, for instance.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    So, why do you feel the need to insinuate a link between libertarianism, conservatism, and fascism?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    So, why do you feel the need to insinuate a link between libertarianism, conservatism, and fascism?

    I don't. I am fully supportive of libertarianism. I voted for G. Johnson in 2012.

    I care a lot more about social liberty than I do a point in the marginal tax rate. Legal drugs are my #1 issue.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Pro-choice is a must for liberty. A police state expanded into womb surveillance is a no-go for me.

  • Pulseguy||

    I'm assuming PB you are a male. I personally resent that you have an opinion on abortion. Just because you're a mangina, doesn't give you a vagina! Remember that.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    So, as long as you are free to gay marry and smoke weed, it doesn't matter how many unjust wars FedGov fights, or how deep FedGov puts its hand in your pocket, or how many "free-speech zones" FedGov establishes, or how many times FedGov abuses the "Necessary and Proper" Clause, or how many paramilitary cops are deployed against the American public?

    Good to know, shrieky.

  • Rasilio||

    Left, Right.

    The fact that you are so hung up on these relatively meaningless terms shows why you cannot understand. The whole political spectrum is a false dichotomy. One could devise a billion different spectrum and arbitrarily assign either view to either side of it and be equally valid.

    Progressivism as a word describing a political movement has meaning. It means a governmental system designed to move society and culture towards a desired end. One could be either a conservative progressive or a liberal one, you could be a left progressive or a right one the defining characteristic of a progressive is not the desired end goal of society but rather the use of government to drive society to that goal any by that definition fascism is in fact progressive.

  • PapayaSF||

    A radical movement like fascism that opposes religion and tradition is in no way expressive of "social conservatism."

  • toolkien||

    Fascism/Nazism is a progressive movement which deems to use the existing social structures around which to centralize. Communism is a progressive movement which first desires to tear down the existing institutions and replace them, then somehow melt away into a Workers Paradise once they have perfectly actuated every last bit of production. Yet, there are left leaning fascists/nazis who want SOME recasting of the old institutional order (e.g. Strasser Brothers).

    That's what we have here in the US at present, a corporo-fascism, which both prop up the productive sector - the left leaning which promote the union/blue collar mentality (again like the Strassers) or support the holders of the means of production (cronies). That doesn't mean either side doesn't pander to the other side if it is politically advantageous (i.e. wave the cheese to get the "independent swing voter" mice to scurry temporarily to the other side). Of course, in the end, it always comes down to political advantage and exploiting the weaker in favor of the stronger. The problem is, when the economic harms of centralization come home to roost, the weaker tend to end up on the wrong side of the razor wire.

  • ||

    I know you wingnuts hate scholars

    Scholars...

    Wikipedia...

    THIS IS WHAT SHREEEK ACTUALLY BELIEVES!

  • Pulseguy||

    PB...I swear you outdo yourself from time to time. Yes, you are really stupid all the time. But, occasionally you take stupid to a level that is staggering. And, the funny part is you seem to think you're smart.

  • KDN||

    The conservative politicians in Russia and China are hardline communists.

    Ronald Reagan is the archetype of the American conservative.

    Therefore, Ronald Reagan is a hardline communist.

    SHRIEK LOGIX, YO

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Right-wing politics are political positions or activities that view some forms of social hierarchy or social inequality as either inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable,[1][2] typically justifying this position on the basis of natural law or tradition

    Fascism is classic right-wing ideology.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

  • entropy_factor||

    +1 axis on the political spectrum

  • ||

    This is Shrike's "intelligent" version of his usual argument: "Booooooosh!"

  • Agammamon||

    And yet, funnily enough, its always applied by left-wingers.

  • Restoras||

    Everyone knows you are a moron, shriek, why do you insist on continuing to prove it?

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Uh-huh, sure Shriek

    The rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual (12). And if liberty is to he the attribute of living men and not of abstract dummies invented by individualistic liberalism, then Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State (13). The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist State - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people (14).
    -The Doctrine of Fascism, Benito Mussolini & Giovanni Gentile
  • Restoras||

    Come on AC, really? How on Earth can the creators of fascism know what fascism is? We need western progtards to tell us that.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century."[48][49] Mussolini stated that fascism's position on the political spectrum was not a serious issue to fascists: "Fascism, sitting on the right, could also have sat on the mountain of the center

    Mussolini - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....of_Fascism

  • Anonymous Coward||

    We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,'

    To the "right" of what, Shriek? What is fascism to the right of? Come on, Shiek, fire up those two brain cells, you can do it.

    Mussolini stated that fascism's position on the political spectrum was not a serious issue to fascists:

    So the archaic and inaccurate political spectrum model matters, except when it doesn't?

    Well done, Shriek. Well done.

  • Pulseguy||

    And right and left in pre-war Italy is exactly the same as what it is now.

  • Rasilio||

    I was unaware that I said anything otherwise.

    A progressive system of government is an activist in driving society towards some desired end goal. It is contrasted with reactionary governments which do not drive cultural changes but respond to them as they happen spontaneously.

    Socialism, Communisim, and Fascism are all progressive.

    The real issue is political mouthpieces like yourself will never admit that there are political movements outside of the Republican - Democrat duopoly

  • Trouser-Pod||

    Isn't this little screed being played on us really about someone's conflating society with government? I mean, isn't the whole "It's right-wing" claim based on how that government tried to influence the society's mores, instead of how they governed? 'Cause "social hierarchy" is not a government area.

    The society may have been relatively conservative (European right-wing, not U.S.), but the actual politics and government were left-wing.

    Then again, Roderick Stackelberg is obviously the only person who could possibly be correct about all this.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

    We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

    We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

    We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

    We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

    Those darn Nazis were so incredibly conservative.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Conservative = preserve tradition and social hierarchy.

    Islamists are frequently called "conservative". Many attempts have been made to liberalize the Middle East.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    And that means a lot to me because YOU said it.

    Stick with arguing via wikipedia. It makes you sound slightly smarter.

  • Palin's Buttplug||


    con·serv·a·tive
    [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiv] Show IPA
    adjective
    1.
    disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc.

    Oh, you mean Democrats

  • Restoras||

    It is genuinely hilarious that you are so stupid you don't see the contradiction in your own statements. Stick to the economic commentary - you look a lot less stupid that way.

  • paranoid android||

    So again, if late-Soviet politicians were predisposed to attempt to preserve the Communist system from liberalization, does that make Communism suddenly a right-wing ideology?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    No, but it does make it conservative since change is resisted and Soviet tradition is fought for.

    con·serv·a·tive
    [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiv] Show IPA
    adjective
    1.
    disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    You mean sort of like how Progressives are disposed to preserve existing institutions like Social Security? Section 8? Military spending in their districts? Gun control laws?

    A term that can be applied to anyone is pretty useless for the purposes of political discourse. But you knew that.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    When you define words down into meaninglessness, you can't be proven wrong.

  • Pulseguy||

    Conservative as a word has a political meaning that is related to, but different than its use in other areas. Politically it is changing also. As has the word liberal. Which is now, anything but.

    Most of the Cons I know have zero interest in preserving tradition or a previous social hierarchy. They are either economic conservatives, which nowadays means 'please, for goodness sake, somebody stop this fiscal madness', or tend toward libertarianism, and are okay with small government and letting everybody do what they want to do. Very, very few are socially conservative, which is what you seem to be thinking all conservatives are. My Con friends came around on gay marriage, for example, before my leftish friends.

  • Tony||

    Everyone was a socialist in those days. Laissez-faire hadn't been in favor in Europe at all in the 20th century.

    Strange as it may seem to us moderners, you used to be able to appeal to people politically by saying you're in it for them.

    It's actually quite a coup that the modern Right has figured out it doesn't even need to pretend that tax cuts for billionaires (their sole economic policy idea) will trickle down. Solyndra and Benghazi, after all.

  • ||

    Shreek really lucked out. The only person on planet earth who could possibly make him look good showed up.

  • Pulseguy||

    I thought Palin was Tony. Did I get that wrong?

  • Pulseguy||

    Good quotes. I think I'll save this for when I hear people deny Hitler was left.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

    (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

    http://constitutionalistnc.tri.....r-leftist/

  • creech||

    Geez, if the Vegas cop shooters are going to be linked to tea party anti-government types, then this guy has to be linked to liberal progressive types who advocate the same nonsense today.

  • Restoras||

    Again with this primary source nonsense? What is wrong with you people? We need western lefty progtard academics and their water carriers like shriekturd to tell us what fascism is, not the creators of it!

  • paranoid android||

    Again with this primary source nonsense? What is wrong with you people? We need western lefty progtard academics and their water carriers like shriekturd to tell us what fascism is, not the creators of it!

    Accusing him of carrying water for someone who could be described as an "academic" is giving him way too much credit. For fuck's sake, his idea of an argument-stopper is to cherry pick a single sentence from a summary on a Wikipedia page.

  • Agammamon||

    Uhm, no.

    Hitler was about as progressive as Lenin.

    National *Socialism* dude. Say what you want about it, but at least its an ethos.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Socialism for Aryans only - you idiot. That is not a leftist concept.

    Leftism is about social justice and equality - which is very bad in a state setting.

    You Peanuts need a freshman Poly Sci course.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Don't forget Socialism for Japanese too!

  • WTF||

    Aaand...here comes shreek to repeatedly kick himself in the dick, once again.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Socialism for Aryans proletarians only - you idiot. That is not a leftist concept.

    And today's prize for failures in logic goes to....SHRIEK!

  • SugarFree||

    The USSR loved the Jews, WTF.

  • Sevo||

    Loved 'em to death, as it were.

  • Agammamon||

    Yeah dude, Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot were *all* about social justice and equality.

  • Agammamon||

    Oh, and Cuba is a completely classless society right, right?

  • SugarFree||

    "Count no man equal who is not dead."

  • Agammamon||

    Socialism for Aryans only - you idiot. That is not a leftist concept.

    Hmm, last I checked, the French and British weren't Aryan.

    Could it . . . could it *be* that such a learned person as yourself actually has no idea what Hitler's insanity actually entailed?

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Shriek is too pure and holy a creature to sully himself by knowing what Hitler's actual views were.

    He leaves that to the learned and honored sin-eaters of Wikipedia.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Hitler was an arch conservative.

    Idiot!

  • John C. Randolph||

    Hitler killed more like 10 million Germans, not counting combat deaths.

    -jcr

  • Hyperion||

    The best move that you can make in society today is just to become of one of those 'otherkins'. That way, you can be offended by anyone, at any time, for any reason.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Hex

    No one cares that your feelings were hurt. You don't get to tell people how to talk. I don't care that you are a Tran-whatever. That's your business. It's not about your sexuality. It's about you being a pussy and expecting the world to bend over backwards to accommodate you.

    Man up!

  • Hyperion||

    It's easy for you to say this, since you're a member of the privileged patriarchy and a one percenter, like every other H&R poster.

  • Dweebston||

    Except for jesse and HM, who strayed off the progressive plantation because they're suffering false consciousness.

  • Hyperion||

    Those two aren't fooling anyone, they're total puppets of the Kochtopus.

  • ||

    It doesn't work if you tell everybody.

  • Hyperion||

    I know! That's why shreeky has to work so hard to try to expose us as raging SoCons. And all he accomplished was exposing himself as a proggie! Haahahahaaa!

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    How do you know I'm not really a Marxist, disabled, poor, Black, Puerto Rican, lesbian, Jew?

    I may have been just fucking with you all this time.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    There are Puerto Rican Jews?

  • Hyperion||

    No, that's how we know he's lying.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

  • ||

    SIGNED EPSTEIN'S MOTHER

  • Pulseguy||

    Juan Epsteinoza....you misspelled his name.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    There is quite a sizable Jewish population in Puerto Rico, with an interesting history. Also, lots of intermingling between Jews and Puerto Ricans in New York City.

  • Hyperion||

    Because there are no Puerto Rican Jews?

  • creech||

    Here you go:

    "Welcome to the Jewish Community Center of Puerto Rico – Shaare Zedeck. We are a vibrant and caring Jewish community connecting our members to Judaism on many levels. For both members and non-members, this site offers a comprehensive overview of our values, worship, educational opportunities, events and facilities.

    Please visit all our pages so that you will be able to see the fullness of our congregation and the depth of our commitment to our Jewish heritage and the community we serve.

    Are you visiting Puerto Rico for the first time to attend a Bar or Bat Mitzvah? Looking for a welcoming Jewish community to join upon moving to the enchanted island? Unsure what to expect? Looking for a historical, spiritual space for a destination wedding? Feel free to contact us!"

  • GILMORE||

    IT FEELS UNSAFE

    UK Citizens Demand 'Cow-Warning' Legislation to Provide Greater Safety from Bovine Stompings

    "The NFU said it had "every sympathy" for Miss Smith but that it "wouldn't be possible to run farms that way"

    But why!WHY?! Can't i walk around fields of cows with my Dog and not face any risks whatsoever? WHAT IS GOVERNMENT FOR IF NOT TO BEND REALITY TO MY CONVENIENCE!?

  • ||

    Jesus fuck.

    Parody is literally no longer possible.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    I fell asleep, then I woke feelin' kinda' queer
    Lola looked at me and said, "ooh you look so weird."
    She said, "man, there's really something wrong with you.
    One day you're gonna' self-destruct.
    You're up, you're down, I can't work you out
    You get a good thing goin' then you blow yourself out."

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    +1 cherry cola

  • ||

    I wonder if the current generation of student radicals realize how pitiful they are. Their grandparents would bomb libraries and beat up college presidents while quoting Mao, but these punks, they throw tantrums about their feelings. Sad.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    Really, this generation of "radicals" are just the emos of 5 years ago with a little guidance from the radicals of the past generation (the current profs).

  • Seamus||

    Look, I don't think it ought to be blasphemy, just saying "Jehovah"!

  • John C. Randolph||

    I feel unsafe when someone takes it upon itself to try to tell other people what words they're allowed to use.

    -jcr

  • ||

    Your failure to acquiesce to its demands is precisely why it feels unsafe.

  • John C. Randolph||

    Well, fuck it.

    Oh, wait...

    -jcr

  • Almanian!||

    T-slur, please...

  • PapayaSF||

    So I should say: "There always seem to be a number of T-slurs hanging out in the Castro district"?

  • PapayaSF||

    I hereby declare the following terms to be offensive when spoken by people to whom they do not apply: white, male, heterosexual, cisgendered, American, libertarian, Tea Party, Republican, conservative, rich, wealthy, 1%, business, employer.

    Now try to talk leftist politics, suckas!

  • Tony||

    I believe in the principle that being offended requires actually feeling the emotion of being offended. And that you're better off not being easily offended (like you'd be better off not taking to jealousy or other negative emotions easily).

  • GILMORE||

    How about "that being offended requires someone actually having the *intent* to offend?"

    We say that an 'offense' is committed.

    People can wrongly 'take offense' where none is intended, but we generally consider the person wrong if they maintain this POV after it is made clear no such intent was meant.

  • Suicidy||

    If we just got rid of all the progressives, we wouldn't need to worry about any of this bullshit.

  • Smokert5555||

    How do you determine what "hate speech" really is? Anything can be interpreted as hate speech, as demonstrated by this article. Hate speech is subjective, which means society can't judge if it's hate speech or not, only the individual. We don't have laws that protect just Dave or Jennifer, we have laws that protect most, if not all, people.

  • christoballer||

    Oh, screw you Dan Savage I just got tired of defending you.

    Students objecting to your use of "tranny" is NOT a free speech issue. Just a manners issue. You have a right to say offensive words, but not a right to dictate people's level of outrage at hearing those words. If you KNOW people will freak out when they hear a certain word, and you use the word anyway, you must have meant to provoke that response. It is disingenuous to pretend otherwise. If you know your audience hears contempt in a certain word, and you use the word, you'll have a hard time convincing them you didn't mean to express contempt. Sure, You have every right to use terms that alienate your audience, but why would you WANT to?

  • PapayaSF||

    You have a right to say offensive words, but not a right to dictate people's level of outrage at hearing those words.

    I don't want the content of speech to be determined by whoever can express the most outrage over a word.

    You have every right to use terms that alienate your audience, but why would you WANT to?

    Because that's what he was discussing: a particular word.

  • ||

    It's possible he didn't realize that discussing the usage of a word in the context of political correctness would "alienate" his audience. It's hard to read minds. And since people are responsible for their own emotional reactions, he shouldn't give a shit anyway. Throwing a tantrum and exposing yourself as a hopeless neurotic with the emotional maturity of a 4 year old says a lot more about you than it does the person who "triggered" you.

  • AlbedoAtoned||

    Considering the topic of discussion. I could think of a few reasons one might want to bring up that word.

    Must be a difficult discussion on hate speech if you can't even bring up the words that are used to show hatred. But of course, it was only that word. Hex is special, they get to decide what words are okay to use and what are not, as shown by their approval of the use of Sissy and Dyke. Did they ask any self-identified sissies or dykes if those words were okay to use. And what if somebody from those groups didn't like them, but others did. And speaking of, what if there were other transsexual people that understood the context of the conversation and were okay with the use of the word tranny in said conversation, were they consulted? Probably, not so this Hex feels they are they go to person for what is okay or not to say.

  • Technomad||

    Personally, I am sick of having to kowtow to the endless, unappeasable demands of a permanently disgruntled set of misfits. And as far as I am concerned, "transsexual" is French for "batsh*t insane and should be locked up."

  • J_B||

    You are worse than any bigot on the planet.

    You know why? Because you used the word 'if'. The word 'if' offends me more than anything you can ever know in this universe.

    If you had any decency, you would never talk or write anything ever again.

  • Damien||

    This is precisely why I belong to FIRE-Freedom of Individual Rights in Education. The spiral down of liberal thought knows no bounds. After all, have you ever heard of ultraliberal? Being too liberal? One in this philosophy cannot be too liberal. And its results historically? The guillotine, and the Cultural Revolution.

  • jmomls||

    I'm waiting for Savage to realize that TeaBagger is an insult to Tea Baggers......

    Good thing I brought my pink sneakers and my colostomy bag.

  • jmomls||

    I'm waiting for Savage to realize that TeaBagger is an insult to Tea Baggers......

    Good thing I brought my pink sneakers and my colostomy bag.

  • Billybobjoe||

    Tranny is a transmission to some.

    Not that I'm good with cars.

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