Snowden Predicted the Script the Government Has Followed To Attack Him

Reason 24/7ReasonIn the second half of an interview conducted with The Guardian on June 6 in Hong Kong, but just released today, Edward Snowden explains more of his motivation for revealing the details of the National Security Agency's spying, emphasizes that, yes, the NSA is snooping domestically, and talks about his feelings about the United States, as opposed to the government. He also accurately predicts, weeks ahead of time, the script the powers-that-be would follow in their efforts to discredit and smear him.

As summarized at CNet:

Former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden remains, as far as the public knows, stuck in the transit area of a Moscow airport. But two newly published interviews reveal more about why he decided to go public with documents confirming the NSA's domestic surveillance of American citizens.

The interviews, separately published today by the Guardian and Spiegel Online, were conducted over a month ago -- before his identity as the NSA's most famous leaker became public.

But they show that Snowden predicted how the documents he divulged would be received by Washington officialdom: "I think the government's going to launch an investigation. I think they're going to say I committed grave crimes, [that] I violated the Espionage Act. They're going to say I aided our enemies."

About his country of origin, Snowden says, "America is a fundamentally good country. We have good people with good values who want to do the right thing. But the structures of power that exist are working to their own ends to extend their capability at the expense of the freedom of all publics."

Snowden also tells The Guardian, "The primary disclosures are that the NSA doesn't limit itself to foreign intelligence. It collects all communications that transit the United States."

In another interview, published by Der Spiegel, Snowden gives some idea of the extent to which the NSA's surveillance is aided and abetted (and exceeded) by allied spy agencies in other countries:

Interviewer: What are some of the big surveillance programs that are active today and how do international partners aid the NSA?

Snowden: In some cases, the so-called Five Eye Partners [United States, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada] go beyond what NSA itself does. For instance, the UK's General Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) has a system called TEMPORA. TEMPORA is the signals intelligence community's first "full-take" Internet buffer that doesn't care about content type and pays only marginal attention to the Human Rights Act. It snarfs everything, in a rolling buffer to allow retroactive investigation without missing a single bit. Right now the buffer can hold three days of traffic, but that's being improved. Three days may not sound like much, but remember that that's not metadata. "Full-take" means it doesn't miss anything, and ingests the entirety of each circuit's capacity. If you send a single ICMP packet  and it routes through the UK, we get it. If you download something and the CDN (Content Delivery Network) happens to serve from the UK, we get it. If your sick daughter's medical records get processed at a London call center … well, you get the idea.

Interviewer: Is there a way of circumventing that?

Snowden: As a general rule, so long as you have any choice at all, you should never route through or peer with the UK under any circumstances. Their fibers are radioactive, and even the Queen's selfies to the pool boy get logged.

Snowden also tells Der Spiegel that, while many companies collaborate with the U.S. government's spying efforts, some refuse to do so. He says pushing companies to disclose which way they've jumped will give consumers the opportunity to punish those that have helped government snoops violate their privacy.

That sounds like a plan.

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  • Warrren||

    He was just paranoid! No one is out out get him.

  • anon||

    Just like Hemingway, only worse? Better? I don't know the fucking appropriate adjective here.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Still can't believe the FBI helped drive Papa over the edge. Fuckers.

  • Sevo||

    It was a VERY short ride.
    Sorry, not a fan.

  • Pro Libertate||

    He probably wouldn't like you, either.

  • Sevo||

    suffice to say I'd agree and would have no problem with that at all.

  • ||

    "Full-take" means it doesn't miss anything, and ingests the entirety of each circuit's capacity. If you send a single ICMP packet and it routes through the UK, we get it.

    Why does this not surprise me? The only surprise is that (according to him) the NSA isn't doing this.

    I hope he just keeps rolling out new revelations and information.

  • Invisible Finger||

    Now you know why they want him so bad. He's only scratched the surface.

  • ||

    The most disturbing thing is that there are selfies of the Queen out there. Probably making duck lips with her tits about pop like toast.

  • SweatingGin||

    Snowden needs to leak those selfies. The H&R threads would be epic.

  • juris imprudent||

    The royals, and their most ardent supporters, would have less sense of humor about that than certain alleged sheep-fuckers from Texas.

  • ||

    No surprises here except...the Queen's selfies to the pool boy? On second thought, maybe that is not a surprise after all.

  • Warrren||

    They only have three days to find the info they want. Good thing mistakes are never made while under pressure.

  • SweatingGin||

    If they can keep that long, it would be simple to up the capacity. They'd have already solved the problems with that volume (petabytes) of data, just a matter of adding more cabinets of drives.

  • anon||

    What are you talking about? The Government never makes mistakes.

  • Jerryskids||

    This should calm your fears about what the government can do with the technology they have.

    The Commerce Department's Economic Development Administration dealt with viruses and mal-ware found on their computers by destroying the computers - monitors, keyboards, mice, and printers included. Not sure if they wore hazmat suits when they carted off the infected equipment, but it wouldn't surprise me.

  • Dweebston||

    Economic development, bro. They're fixing the economy by breaking Windows.

    ...sorry.

  • Emmerson Biggins||

    Oh, it's in the computer!

    /zoolander

  • anon||

    Ok, was anyone else reminded of Dollhouse reading that? Or is it just me?

    Maybe I'm just horny and thinking about Eliza Dushku though.

  • Anonymous Coward||

  • anon||

    Yeah, her husband is seriously way too big for her. I'm surprised she's able to walk.

  • Sevo||

    OK, the guy may be wonderful or as big an asshole as Assange, but he's done something that needed to be done.
    My question is: Is there anything individuals can do to help the poor bastard? I mean living in an airport lounge has got to be horrible, and I'm guessing the Moscow airport is worse than Heathrow, for pete's sake!
    Is there any legal way to help this guy get to a safe haven?

  • anon||

    Is there any legal way to help this guy get to a safe haven?

    Yeah, if you have a private jet and the ability to bribe the right Russian customs agents.

    Seriously though, at this point the law is whatever our dictator says it is, so no, there's no "legal" way.

  • wareagle||

    and where would that safe haven be? The contenders are nations that have a boner for the US, not places that think one way or the other about what Snowden did.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    With enough money, nearly anything can be accomplished.

    Our lords and masters, the EVIL Koch Brothers, could make something happen for him. Some liberty-minded people could initiate a Kickstarter campaign to put together enough bribe money to buy Edward Snowden asylum.

  • Sevo||

    Anonymous Coward| 7.8.13 @ 8:29PM |#
    "Some liberty-minded people could initiate a Kickstarter campaign to put together enough bribe money to buy Edward Snowden asylum."

    How does this start? I'm willing to spend some time and money.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    Its a non-starter. Any country you could bribe into asylum would turncoat on Snowden and this naive cause once said naive cause's check cleared.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Whoever gets the asylum paperwork in order first gets the money.

    France has an extradition treaty with the US, but they rarely send anyone back, mainly because they enjoy sticking a finger in America's collective eye.

    Switzerland has refused to extradite Roman Polanski for years.

  • Sevo||

    Check that.
    I know it *doesn't* start on a public web site.
    'Nuff said.

  • ||

    Gonna Silk Road some asylum papers for Snowden from the apparatchiks of a notoriously corrupt country using Bitcoin as your currency?

  • Sevo||

    jesse.in.mb| 7.8.13 @ 9:18PM |#
    "Gonna Silk Road some asylum papers for Snowden from the apparatchiks of a notoriously corrupt country using Bitcoin as your currency?"

    The problem here is that the countries supposedly not corrupt aren't about to put up with the US' sharp elbows.

  • Sevo||

    Google is your friend (and maybe (Bling):
    "Snowden Lawyer Close to Senator Rand Paul’s Office"
    "In a curious development, NSA traitor Edward Snowden’s father is being represented by attorney Bruce Fein, who appeared with Senator Rand Paul"

    Notice the bag of shit writing it claims Snowden is a traitor.

  • Sevo||

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Probably get some lawyers to work on the process in the countries most likely to grant Snowden asylum. Disburse some funds to lubricate the bureaucratic wheels and track down the actual decision-makers in the asylum process. Once you get to the actual decision-maker(s), it's just a question of negotiation.

  • SweatingGin||

    Charter a plane to Venezuela?

  • ||

    If it's the Moscow airport I was in, then it replaced the LAX pick up and dropoff ring as my idea of purgatory: Soviet era concrete U-shaped terminal with shops added in as an afterthought and stringy-blond-haired, scoop-nosed Russian women all dressed the same hawking crappy items out of stalls blaring Britney Spears music incessantly. The kind of sandwich-in-a-plastic-triangle you'd buy at a 7-11 in the '90s was $9(US) and tiny bottles of water were 3 euros a pop.

  • CatoTheElder||

    I'm no lawyer, but I think there is a law against aiding and abetting a fugitive from justice, especially when the fugitive has embarrassed and discredited the USG.

  • Sevo||

    CatoTheElder| 7.8.13 @ 9:10PM |#
    "I'm no lawyer, but I think there is a law against aiding and abetting a fugitive from justice, especially when the fugitive has embarrassed and discredited the USG."

    And if there isn't Obag-o-shit will invent one, since it's good to be king!

  • Gordilocks||

    The guy who runs this place offered to help Snowden.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    Wonder if the Russians are done laughing their ass off from setting up Uncle Scam and associated sidekick NATO client-bitches into thinking Snowden was on Bolivian El Presidente's plane. The Russians seem to know what suckers Yankees are for everything and anything they hear on a wiretap.

  • Sevo||

    Whoa!
    (link) http://www.aim.org/aim-column/.....ls-office/
    "Fein, who also contributes to the Huffington Post, a far-left website, says his purpose at the LaRouche gatherings was to emphasize the importance of the philosophy of the Fourth Amendment and “to restore the philosophical values of the Republic which evoked the heroic sacrifices at Valley Forge, Cemetery Ridge, Omaha Beach, etc.”"

    Not sure of all the references, but it seems the guy has some principles.
    -----------------------------
    "The purpose of Senator Paul’s June 13 press conference, which included a representative of the ACLU, was to threaten a lawsuit against the NSA over its terrorist surveillance programs. It is doubtful, however, that Sen. Paul has the standing to sue."

    OK, we got standing? Paul gets my support.

  • Snidely Whiplash||

    You know a website is bat-shit crazy when it refers to the milquetoast HuffPo as "far-left."

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