Morsi Aide Says Coup is Underway in Egypt

Credit: Sherif9282/wikimediaCredit: Sherif9282/wikimediaIt appears that a military coup is taking place in the world’s most populous Arab country. The military has reportedly imposed a travel ban on Morsi as members of the Muslim Brotherhood and are now in control of state television. The U.S. State Department has said that it is “concerned” about the developments.

The deadline imposed on Morsi by the military for a resolution to the crisis has passed, and it appears that Morsi’s offer of a consensus government has not been accepted.

Some, such as Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), have criticized Obama for not supporting many of the protesters in Egypt:

One would expect to find the United States standing firmly with these people. Surely, after our long and lonely search for secular and democratic partners in the Arab world, we could find some common ground with them. Surely, we could see the value of an administration in Egypt that could act as both a southern bulwark for Israel and a much-needed partner in countering the terrorist outposts in the Sinai and Horn of Africa. And surely, we could help support a government that could stand as an example for struggling states like Libya and Iran -- one that proves Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East are not predestined to live in oppressive theocracies.

Tragically, America has been relegated to the sidelines. The number of U.S. Embassy personnel has been reduced, and a travel warning has been issued for Americans in Egypt -- and for good reason. The people protesting in the streets were not only carrying anti-Morsy signs. They were also carrying signs with slogans like "Obama Supports Terrorism" and "Obama Supports Morsy," as well as pictures of the American ambassador to Egypt, Anne Patterson, with a large red "X" through her face. Some of these were set on fire. On Friday, Andrew Driscoll Pochter, an American college student who was in Egypt to teach English to schoolchildren, was stabbed to death as he took pictures of the protesters.

For photos of some of the anti-Obama signs Sen. Cruz mentions head over to ZeroHedge.

While it is the case the Morsi has granted himself a worrying amount of power it remains to been seen if the military, which has said it will suspend parliament and the constitution, would provide better leadership for Egyptians. State news reported that a military plan includes a short transition period followed by elections. However, how short a transition is not specified. Nor is it mentioned how long parliament or the constitution will be suspended.

Over at The American Conservative Daniel Larison argues that whoever is in power in Egypt will always be resented to some extent by Egyptians in part because of U.S. foreign aid that seems to be sent to whoever is in charge in Egypt regardless of their records on civil or political liberties:

As long as the U.S. provides aid to the Egyptian military, the U.S. is bound to be resented by whichever political groups do not control the government. That isn’t going to change even when the government is a genuinely elected one. If the protesters are successful in driving the extremely unpopular Morsi out, there will always be an incentive for the forces defeated at the last election to stage mass protests demanding the early resignation of the incumbent. There will also be an incentive for those protesters to identify the U.S. as the incumbent’s supporter in order to blame Washington and to vilify the current leader. Because the U.S. will presumably continue to provide aid to the Egyptian military for reasons that have little to do with internal Egyptian politics, there is no way that Washington can “fix” this by throwing its support to the “right” people. The U.S. accepted the first coup government under the SCAF and pretended that it hadn’t staged a coup because this conveniently met the demands of anti-Mubarak protesters, but U.S. policy towards Egypt shouldn’t be determined primarily by what the latest protesters happen to want. Short of endorsing a second coup or affirming that election outcomes should be respected only when the “right” people win them, the U.S. doesn’t have a ready-made alternative.

Whatever the outcome in Egypt elsewhere in north Africa it looks like others have already been inspired by the recent anti-Morsi protests. 

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The Titanic is rearranging its own deck chairs.

  • Rich||

    Arab *Summer*, biotches!

  • ||

    The Arab Winter is coming.

  • Rich||

    Hope it's not a nuclear winter.

  • WTF||

    Eventually, the Al-Starks are always right.

  • Ken Shultz||

    The Islamists became convinced that the Egyptian people wanted what they were selling, and it's hard to form a pragmatic wing in your party under those conditions.

    Now that so many are rejecting the Islamsits, hopefully a more pragmatic wing in the movement will form. Just shove it down their throats--we have to pass it before we can find out what's in it! They'll love us for it in the end.

    Yeah, it's the same thing the progs did. And until the American people reject the progs, why should the progs believe that the people don't want whatever they want?

    It's the same thing with the Republicans, too. There are some in the Republican party who will never shut up about gay marriage and immigration, but there are others, who--only after getting burned at the polls--will start to say, "Maybe it's time to stop shooting ourselves in the foot".

    This probably had to happen for Egypt to transition to a modern democracy. It could still all go to hell, but when you oppress an Islamist movement like that for so long, yeah, you deny people a chance to give it any legitimacy at the polls--but you also deny the people a chance to deprive the Islamists of legitimacy, as well.

  • DJF||

    “””There are some in the Republican party who will never shut up about gay marriage and immigration, but there are others, who--only after getting burned at the polls--will start to say, "Maybe it's time to stop shooting ourselves in the foot".””’

    How does shooting their most loyal supporters in the head help the Republicans?

  • Ken Shultz||

    How does harping on losing issues like gay marriage and immigration help the Republicans?

    How 'bout maybe they should harp on stuff they care about that doesn't make swing voters puke?

    And then when they get in the White House, sure, maybe they won't be able to discriminate against gay people and hate on immigrants anymore--but at least we won't have a prog in the White House!

    Maybe we wouldn't have ObamaCare. Maybe we wouldn't have nationalized GM. Maybe we would have...whatever's next in their screwed up prog agenda.

  • GILMORE||

    +100 Gay Agendas and Intelligent Designs for Ken Shultz

  • DJF||

    “””How does harping on losing issues like gay marriage and immigration help the Republicans?”””

    Losing issues? Homosexual marriage has lost far more votes then it has won with the public, it only wins with unelected judges and with politicians who ignore their own voters. While open borders immigration is also a loser with the voters, why do you think they only bring these ‘comprehensive immigration reform” bills up during the off season election years with “Gang of 8“ hidden negotiations?

    And a final, how is a immigration system which creates in between half and one million legal new citizens a year 'hate on immigrants". That is more then all the countries of the world create.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Losing issues? Homosexual marriage has lost far more votes then it has won with the public, it only wins with unelected judges and with politicians who ignore their own voters."

    You and Morsi should go bowling.

    Elections are won or lost on swing votes.

    How's gay marriage do as an issue with swing voters?

    What do swing voters think of the Republicans and immigration?

  • DJF||

    If you don’t have your base you can have all the swing voters in the world and you will lose.

  • Ken Shultz||

    It's getting so bad, the Democrats are starting to think Texas is in play.

  • Overt||

    In case you haven't noticed, the leaders in the GOP are *trying* to get with the center on Immigration and they are being flayed by the base for their troubles. While Rubio was once fawned over as the last great hope, he is being roundly harassed for his contributions to the immigration bill.

    It was the republican A-Listers like Rove, Bush and McCain who tried to take Immigration off the table with reform back in '08. And their base revolted, forcing them to let this be an issue for the next 8 years.

    Even on Gay Marriage, while proclaiming their support for "Traditional Marriage", no one has done anything at the Federal Level for years.

    So your theory has it exactly backwards. It isn't that republican politicians keep "harping" on Immigration and Gays. It's that circumstances (and savvy Dems) keep these as wedge issues, forcing the Republicans to either defy moderates or defy their base.

  • DJF||

    Even Rubio gets 28 percent of the Hispanic vote and that is after throwing the rest of his supporters over a cliff on immigration.

  • Ken Shultz||

    I was just making an analogy, here, but it really is the same thing.

    Democracy means breaking into your opposition's ranks--and the swing vote--for the win.

    Democracy doesn't mean forcing yourself on the rest of the population--because you're right.

    Hopefully this very conversation is happening within the Muslim Brotherhood right now. Guess what the Muslim Brotherhood found out about legitimacy today?

    I suspect it has something to do with how winning elections may bring you some legitimacy with swing voters and the opposition, it doesn't matter what the constitution says--if you lose legitimacy entirely with both the opposition and the swing voters, you lose power...

    It works that way in the U.S., too!

    If you lose all your legitimacy with the swing voters, you sit on the sidelines and whine and complain like a bunch of California Republicans.

    Ronald Reagan won because he was popular with people--like union workers in the north.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_coalition

    I hope some people in the Muslim Brotherhood are starting to figure this out. I know some Republicans are starting to figure it out--or they wouldn't be taking people like Rand Paul so seriously.

  • DJF||

    “”””like union workers in the north.”””

    So now you think we should get rid of free trade, support tariffs and close the borders to immigrant labor competition since I bet that would get lots of support from northern union workers. Also I bet the union workers (as opposed to unionized government employees) are not big supporters of homosexual marriage.

    In fact I bet that the Republicans could pick up far more support from swing voters if they dumped support for free trade, mass immigration and homosexual marriage, rather then supporting it.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Um...no.

    If you knew anything about history, you'd know that the union weren't always the anti-free trade stalwarts they are now.

    In fact, people like George Meany thought communism was such a horrible menace specifically because it barred American products made by American workers from being sold a huge swath of the world--from Eastern Europe to China.

    He thought the fall of communism would mean the opening of markets all over the world for American products made by American workers.

    You should read about George Meany! Head of the AFL-CIO from 1955 to 1979. A rabid anti-communist--and rabidly pro-free trade. Bragged that he never called a strike!

    And Ronald Reagan cut his chops going around speaking to unionized workers. Told them that their best interest lay in free market capitalism and free trade. ...and you know what? He was right! There's nothing surprising about Ronald Reagan appealing to unionized workers in the North. That's how you win elections--poaching the other guy's voting pool.

    Oh, and there's nothing surprising about a standard Republican being so narrow-minded that he can't imagine union workers voting for Ronald Reagan's free market capitalism pitch--that's how you lose elections. Just keep preaching to the narrow-minded choir.

    Someday, I hope you get sick of losing for no reason other than your own narrow-mindedness.

  • Libertarius||

    FYI, dropping the context of incentives in a gigantically profligate and corrupt welfare state with astronomical amounts of unservicable debt is a hallmark of leftoid and cosmotarian open borders nuttery.

    It's childish, and reality has a way of showing us that we can't have our cake and eat it too.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    The people protesting in the streets were not only carrying anti-Morsy signs. They were also carrying signs with slogans like "Obama Supports Terrorism" and "Obama Supports Morsy," as well as pictures of the American ambassador to Egypt, Anne Patterson, with a large red "X" through her face. Some of these were set on fire. On Friday, Andrew Driscoll Pochter, an American college student who was in Egypt to teach English to schoolchildren, was stabbed to death as he took pictures of the protesters.

    Remember when Obama was going to make the world love America?

    Sometimes love hurts. Other times, it's sick, co-dependent and manipulative (see: Silver Linings Playbook, US foreign policy).

  • ||

    Remember when Obama was going to make the world love America?

    Yeah, what is up with his supporters still thinking he's some kind of diplomatic genius? I still see the copy and pasted "bin Laden is dead, GM is alive, and America is regaining its respect and prestige around the world" argument in comment sections.

  • Ken Shultz||

    The protestors are right.

    I don't think most Americans had come to terms with the fact that we were supporting the Muslim Brotherhood.

    They're basically on our side now.

    Now is probably as good a time as it's going to get to start winding down our financial support. The support is mostly for the Army, anyway, and if we can make nice with whomever's in charge there (including the Muslim Brotherhood), then why do we care who's in charge?

    Our support certainly isn't about the Cold War anymore, and it isn't about Israel either. Egypt's got enough to worry about without worrying about Israel.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Apparently, they didn't buy into the lie that Obama went on an "apology tour".

  • Ken Shultz||

    When he goes to other countries, in his speeches, he always sounds like he thinks he's the president of that country, too.

    Starts using "we" a lot. Starts talking about what "we" should do.

    I'd be like, "Who the fuck does this guy think he is?"

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Yeah, Obama is arrogant. That is the amazing thing about the right-wing nimwits who falsely claim that he apologized to the Middle East.

  • GILMORE||

    How precisely would you characterize this? =

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogk2dgSQETA

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    "we reject the content of this video"?

    Not an apology at all.

  • ||

    And TOTALLY not apologetic, either, amirite? There's no reason at all for the leader of a country to go overseas and talk about how he totally rejects something made by a private citizen, except as a way of "making up". It's an entirely apologetic "oops, we're totally sorry he made that please don't be offended" act, one that should never happen since the government shouldn't be taking stances on private religious opinions.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Apparently, they didn't buy into the lie that Obama went on an "apology tour".

    Maybe he just sucks at apologizing.

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    we would also have accepted "Coup there it is", "Coup are you?",
    or "Little Deuce Coup"

  • 0x90||

    Roll like a corpsman in my coup de ville...something, something, C. Everett Coup.

  • DJF||

    No matter who is in charge in Egypt it has huge problems that have built up over decades

    A increasing population with high unemployment

    A need import large amounts of food with little usable land outside the Nile delta

    A need to export to pay for imports but it can't compete against either low cost China or high tech West

    A divided population who have enough people in each faction who will come out and protest in the millions against whoever is in power.

    A tourism industry that needs stability and peace which is not going to get either with all of Egypt's problems

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Sounds like Florida.

  • DJF||

    Except that Florida has not yet scared off all the retires who buy up real estate and hire health care workers.

  • DontShootMe||

    In my more cynical moments, I wonder if this isn't the goal of American foreign policy these days. Encourage as much Middle East unrest as possible in hopes of reducing the domestic threat.

    Nah, the State Dept is staffed by people who are that skilled...

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Karl Rove says there's still time for Morsi to pull ahead, that it all comes down to crucial Waukesha County. #Egypt
    — @HayesBrown

  • Bardas Phocas||

    Morsi just needs to do a better job communicating his policies to the people.

    Also, it's all talk radio/fox news fault.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cbs.....ns-policy/

  • db||

    Tragically, America has been relegated to the sidelines. The number of U.S. Embassy personnel has been reduced, and a travel warning has been issued for Americans in Egypt -- and for good reason. T

    Two ways of looking at this:

    1: yeah, guys, it would be super great if we were, like, heavily involved in what's going on in Egypt right now. Maybe we could go check on things in Libya and Iraq while we're there.

    2: yeah, the country that sends multiple Billions of dollars of military support to the Egyptian Army is totally without any influence in the Egyptian situation.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Obama wisely chose not to engage in Egypt. Yeah, I know about the ongoing military aid but that has been the status quo for decades.

  • Enough About Palin||

    Hey, dipshit, look dow. The fucking EGYPTIANS disagree with you

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Fuck, everyone over there is in the Blame America coalition.

    Obama didn't put that fool fucker in office - they elected him.

  • ||

    No, we're all with the "fuck American supporters of dictatorship" coalition, but I understand it's hard for you to see that when you're down on your knees all the time.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Here's Obama praising Dubya.

    Feel free to shit yourself, Shriek.

  • Loki||

    That loud bang you just heard was Shriek's head exploding.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Shorter shriek: "Sure Obama interferes in Egypt, but Bush Clinton H.W. Bush Reagan Carter did it, too!

    Also, DERP!"

  • GILMORE||

    Palin's Buttplug| 7.3.13 @ 3:39PM |#
    Obama wisely chose not to engage in Egypt.

    Yes, why would one care about the largest country in the middle east, with the largest army (which the US has funded for 30yrs BTW) and who has exported some of the most dangerous international jihadists on the planet (Islamic Jihad / Al Q merger circa 1996-98) and who presents the greatest opportunity for something resembling a functioning democracy in a region dominated by totalitarian strongmen.

    No, the WISE thing to do is to send your ambassador to Jihadistan, Libya (aka 'Benghazi') to help smuggle guns to rogue mujaheddin elements in the midst of taking over Syria.

    The Wisdom. It Hurts.

  • Enough About Palin||

  • XM||

    In hindsight, Obama should have been a bit more supportive of Hosni Mubarak. A lesser evil. A more manageable evil.

    You know, the liberals are very fond of pointing out that the founding fathers were slave owners and secretly racists or whatnot. America wasn't the beacon of freedom portrayed by our Sunday schools!

    But they seem comfortable in supporting these demonstrators, many of them who would settle for a theocracy or some sort of Socialist state with flavors of Sharia.

    4th of July - a day that commemorates that ONE time where rebellion by peasants and colonists actually amounted to something. Not like the foppish French Revolution, yuck.

  • ant1sthenes||

    Egyptians seem to be saying that it isn't enough to win an election, you have to govern in accordance with democratic principles, or at least with your constitution.

    It's understandable that Obama is standing with Morsi instead of the protestors; wouldn't want to set a precedent for that sort of thing.

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