You Mean Vicious Authoritarians Want to Work for the Government?

In today's Reason 24/7 feed is the story of how the Army finds itself a little overly well-endowed with good little goose-steppers. It seems that Nazis have discovered that they can get paid to learn how to shoot and blow stuff up by joining the military. They get to wear uniforms, too, which must be a big plus.

From Business Insider:

After white supremacist and former Army sergeant Wade Michael Page opened fire on a Sikh temple near Milwaukee, the Pentagon began stepping up its efforts to expel neo-Nazis from its ranks.

But so far, it's not working too well.

"White supremacists, neo-Nazis and skinhead groups encourage followers to enlist in the Army and Marine Corps to acquire the skills to overthrow what some call the ZOG - the Zionist Occupation Government," Reuters' Daniel Trotta reported Tuesday. "Get in, get trained and get out to brace for the coming race war."

This strikes me as a perfectly natural thing for deranged, murderous authoritarians to do. Why pay for training, ammunition and equipment to learn how to be a soldier, only to get denounced by politicians and scrutinized by the FBI, when the feds will do it all for you with no hassles?

I should add that the Army may have some competition for recruitment here (even if it doesn't want these recruits). The last real-life neo-Nazi I met was a Border Patrol agent working along the border between Arizona and Mexico, and that also makes a horrible kind of sense.

In fact, government, with its very roots in compulsion, is a natural magnet for those who think their neighbors are best dealt with through force rather than persuasion. I don't mean that all government employees are akin to National Socialists in terms of hatefulness or a taste for violence, but I do mean that a preference for authoritarianism has to make government employment rather more attractive than does a distaste for the same. That's true whether the authoritarians hope to achieve their goals through the government as it's constituted, or whether they hope to elevate some random fat loser in a brown, or black, or green, or red shirt to the position of Fuhrer/Commissar/Lord Protector.

In other words, good luck with that Nazi problem.

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  • ||

    Clearly, they're all just puppets of the vast libertarian conspiracy.

  • Spoonman.||

    Don't urban gangs send their members into the military for the training as well?

  • Drake||

    Another urban myth - just like this article.

  • o3||

    "According to a recently released FBI report, Gang-related activity in the US military is increasing and poses a threat to law enforcement officials and national security.

    The report, Gang Activity in the U.S. Armed Forces Increasing, dated January 12, states that members of nearly every major street gang have been identified on both domestic and international military installations."
    http://usmilitary.about.com/od...../gangs.htm

  • Drake||

    "The FBI believes that gang members may enlist in the military to escape their current environment or gang lifestyle. Some gang members may also enlist to receive weapons, combat, and convoy support training..."

    So is that good or bad?

  • Randian||

    ccording to open source reporting and multiple law enforcement reporting, soldiers—including gang members—are currently being taught urban warfare for combat in Iraq, including how to encounter hostile gunfire.

    Wow, that's some crackerjack fucking reporting right there.

  • o3||

    one presumes active bangers dont exactly publicise themselves

  • Randian||

    Yes, but saying "Soldiers are currently being taught warfare" is the definition of "dog bites man".

  • ||

    The fuck is open source reporting?

  • 35N4P2BYY||

    "According to Open Source" is intelligence speak for, "I saw it on CNN."

    Kind of an odd statement, there does not seem to be any classified matierial referenced, to where you would need to make the distinction. If you are a reporter-type, everything you do is Open Source.

  • sarcasmic||

    Erste!

  • sarcasmic||

    Verdammt!

  • Hugh Akston||

    John H Galt, will someone ban him already?

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Sauerkraut that bitch.

  • BakedPenguin||

    Say, I wonder if other organized governmental groups - perhaps with a history of violence towards minorities - might also be attractive to Neo-Nazis.

  • ant1sthenes||

    Funny you should ask. I heard Paul Ryan claim recently that some of those that work forces were the same that burned crosses. I just dismissed it as a political gaffe, but you never know.

  • ||

    Speaking of...I need to watch that side-by-side someone did of that police recruitment video and Killing in the Name. I'll see if I can dig it up.

  • ||

    Awww yeah.

    http://bit.ly/M0gX3k

    Manually.....eft video.
  • ||

    That's manually mute the video on the left

  • ant1sthenes||

    Awesome.

  • sarcasmic||

    People with no interest in controlling others tend not to seek out positions of power, which is why libertarians will never change government.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Please take your emo-fatalism elsewhere. Somewhere where people will actually think it is somehow insightful and 'deep'.

  • RBS||

    Emo-fatalism? Oh yeah, you're one of those ALPHA MALE!!!!!! morons.

  • ||

    "People with no interest in controlling others tend not to seek out positions of power, which is why libertarians will never change government."

    Sad, but true. I still think the best way to make headway is to invade the education system.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    I still think the best way to make headway is to invade the education system.

    But then we'd have to deal with that pile of stupid.

  • Pro Libertate||

    After all, where did the original Nazis start?

    This is one of the reasons we simply must have limited government. Allow it to have great or unlimited power, and the power-lovers will flock there in droves. It's like history never happened.

  • ||

    I'm concerned it's already too late.

  • ||

    It's too late. ProL is a well-meaning but misguided minarchist. Minarchist delude themselves that government can be limited.

    It can't.

  • sarcasmic||

    Anarchists delude themselves that society can exist without a group of thugs claiming the monopoly on organized violence, and calling themselves government.

    It can't.

  • Brandybuck||

    We've actually had historical cases of government's being limited and their powers curtailed. Only temporarily of course, but it's still a better track record than peaceful anarchism.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Whether it can endure or not, certainly we've had more limited government and we could have it now if people weren't so stupid as to think the "right people" could wield incredible power without oversight or accountability.

  • robc||

    Reboot every 50 years.

    It gives limited government a chance.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I think Jefferson suggested something along those lines.

  • ||

    This is news to you, JD? Positions of power or authority *cough*cops*cough* always attract the worst people to be in them. This is known, and has been known. Forever.

  • crazyfingers||

    The article refers to these people as "right-wing extremists", which is a favorite canard of the left. The fact that Nazis are first and foremost SOCIALISTS certainly does not fit the narrative.

  • o3||

    so the nazis voted for obama?...like the klan would per this meme!?

  • Randian||

    Orrin's kinda got you there, crazyfingers. Although where he gets the notion that racism is all rightwing I have no idea.

  • o3||

    i never said that

  • crazyfingers||

    More evidence that in a liberal's delusional world "right wing" is just a synonym for "bad".

  • crazyfingers||

    Who cares if they voted for Obama or the GOP Obama-clone? Like McCain or Romney could be in anyway considered "right wing".

  • ||

    If you're attempting to (badly) make the point that a different stripe of socialist should have sided with him in solidarity because he's a socialist, I'd just like to point out what the Bolsheviks did to the Mensheviks, Social Democrats and Socialist Revolutionaries in the Soviet Union.

  • Brutus||

    As I recall, the Klan or some neo-Nazi douchebags actually did advocate voting for Obama. I think it was to accelerate the coming race war or something.

  • Jennifer||

    And if you're a voyeur or a NAMBLA member, you can get a job working for the TSA, and if you're a Christian Scientist with a wide sadistic streak who thinks dying cancer patients should spend their last months of life screaming in unending agony, you can work for the DEA and arrest anyone who takes or prescribes painkillers stronger than aspirin.

    That's what's so wonderful about the contemporary US government: it has a job tailor-made for you no matter what breed of psychopath you are.

  • ||

    Don't forget the Catholic Church!

  • Jennifer||

    Remember the story a few months ago, Epi? A man was kicked out of the priesthood because he so touchy-feely around the kiddies, even the Catholics could no longer tolerate him -- so he became a supervisor for the TSA. In Philly, IIRC.

  • ||

    You know who else was a vicious authoritarian?

  • sarcasmic||

    Hugh Akston?

  • sarcasmic||

    Citizen Nothing?

  • ||

    Your mom?

  • o3||

    lady gaga?

  • Citizen Nothing||

    You know who else was a humorless whiner?

  • sarcasmic||

    Your mom?

  • Citizen Nothing||

    That was so stupid I laughed. Touche.

  • RBS||

    Tulpa?

  • ||

    WINNAH

  • ||

    Citizen Nothing?

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Yes?

  • Lord Humungus||

    is it true you once killed a man just to watch him die?

  • Citizen Nothing||

    No. But I turned 21 in prison doin' life without parole.

  • ||

    Speaking of dangerous extremists in the military, how's that quick and speedy due process for Nidal Hasan going?

  • o3||

    talk to the beard...

  • ||

    The shampoo guy?

  • BakedPenguin||

    No dummy, the tennis player.

  • Mike M.||

    The trial is going to take place on time, as scheduled, in the year 2525.

  • Generic Stranger||

    If man is still alive.

  • ||

    I think the FaFu holding the flag and Wookie Obama need to have a little get-together.

  • BakedPenguin||

    Watching the First Wombat nag a fat Nazi about his eating habits would be such an amusing failure on so many levels.

  • Proprietist||

    I'm seeing worthwhile reality show potential here.

  • ||

    He used to be in the kkk but the sheet doesn't fit him anymore.

  • A Serious Man||

    I gotta to say, these Nazi jokes are reich out of mein kampf ert zone.

  • ||

    U proud of that?

  • ||

    "The last real-life neo-Nazi I met was a Border Patrol agent working along the border between Arizona and Mexico, and that also makes a horrible kind of sense."

    I once knew a BP agent who said to me " If you want to get into gunfights, join the Border Patrol or the Coast Guard. We have shoot-outs every day.". He also said that most of the guys in the BP joined for exactly that reason.

    He mistakenly thought my love of guns and shooting was a desire to use them on people. I found him to be a thoroughly disgusting human being. My guns are works of art, and shooting them is my version of golf.

  • Spartacus||

    And by "shootout" they mean "fire wildly at the backs of Mexicans as they are running away."

  • ||

    Yeah, probably so. That guy was definitely one of the scariest people I have ever met. Well, I also knew a US Marshal that came in as a close second.

  • Drake||

    Scariest guy I know is a SF sniper who looks and talks like a middle-aged, middle-class cubicle worker. Seen him do stuff on the range I didn't think possible.

  • ||

    Oh, and speaking of guns, I announced this a couple days ago but the threads were dead.

    I have aquired, at no small cost, a highly polished and finely tuned Ruger Vaquero in .32 mag.. It has 'ivory' handles and a 5.5 in. barrel. It has excellent fit and balance and a very nice trigger. It is a tack-driver and too much fun to shoot. You could pour honey on it and it wouldnt be any sweeter than it already is.

    My single action collection is nearly complete. i am only telling this out of a desire to make you all very jealous.

  • Mainer2||

    "....make you all very jealous."

    It worked. That gun sounds sweet.

  • ant1sthenes||

    Or, alternatively, firing ineffective nonlethal weapons at guys armed with real guns with the help of Uncle Sam.

  • Enough About Palin||

    I don't mean that all government employees are akin to National Socialists in terms of hatefulness or a taste for violence, but I do mean that a preference for authoritarianism has to make government employment rather more attractive than does a distaste for the same they are.

  • robc||

    An advantage to the Swiss military model is that the neo-nazis are in the military in proportion to their existence in the population.

  • ||

    one presumes active bangers dont exactly publicise themselves

    you presume wrong. Read "Making the Corps" by Thomas Ricks for the story of how one of the recruits was a DC gangbanger who thought the military was considerably safer than the DC street gangs.

  • Drake||

    Based upon my unscientific and statistically invalid sample-sized experience - Some recruits take the whole Marine thing to heart and change their lives for the better. They leave the gangs and all the other crap they came from in the past.

    Others make it through then revert to whatever kind of loser he was before he signed up.

    I'll say 2/3rds winners, 1/3rd losers.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    " It seems that Nazis have discovered that they can get paid to learn how to shoot and blow stuff up by joining the military. They get to wear uniforms, too, which must be a big plus."

    I'll be in my bunker...

  • Mr. FIFY||

    So... does this mean the SPLC will be adding the US Army to their hate-group list?

  • The Derider||

    Do you know what else neo-nazis like to do?

    Vote Republican.

    Good luck with that Nazi problem.

  • Geoffrey Allan Plauché||

    “The probability of the people in power being individuals who would dislike the possession and exercise of power is on a level with the probability that an extremely tender-hearted person would get the job of whipping-master in a slave plantation.” — Frank Knight

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