Family Research Council Shooting a Reminder that Everybody Hates Everybody

Sooooo … pro-gay violence. What is the deal with that?

Sorry for the Seinfieldian intro. It’s a challenge not to lead with a question when trying to explore the case of gay and lesbian community center volunteer in D.C. who walked into Christian conservative Family Research Council’s office Wednesday with a gun and a bag of Chick-fil-A sandwiches and shot a security guard.

Let’s let the Washington Post dispose of the basics:

The man authorities say walked into the downtown D.C. offices of the Family Research Council and shot a security guard Wednesday morning was charged Thursday with assault with intent to kill while armed and interstate transportation of a firearm and ammunition, according to court filings and officials.

Floyd Lee Corkins II, 28, of Herndon, is scheduled to appear in U.S. District Court in D.C. Thursday afternoon.

According to an FBI affidavit made public Thursday, Corkins walked into the lobby of the conservative group’s headqurters shortly before 11 a.m. and encountered the guard, Leonardo Reno Johnson.

A law enforcement official familiar with the incident but not authorized to talk about it, said Corkins asked to see someone Johnson didn’t know. Johnson has worked at the Council for 11 years and became suspicious. Corkins said he had the name in his bag, bent down and pulled out a 9mm handgun, the official said.

Corkins said “I don’t like your politics,” according to the FBI affidavit. He then shot at Johnson, the affidavit said, and hit him in the arm.

The guard wrestled the gun away from Corkins and subdued him. The FBI recovered a (legally purchased) 9mm Sig Sauer handgun, additional ammunition, and a bag with 15 Chick-fil-A sandwiches. Way to not honor the boycott, Floyd.

The Family Research Council will no doubt appreciate how some guy with a gun and bag full of Chick-fil-A sandwiches will feed its narrative they are the actual victims of oppression, not the gays. The scaremongering Southern Poverty Law Center (read Jacob Sullum’s comments on their efforts to try whip up even more fear following the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting) declared the Family Research Council to be a hate group in 2010, and now they’re being blamed for the shooting. Via The Hill:

The National Organization for Marriage (NOM), one of the nation’s leading opponents of same-sex marriage, told The Hill the shooting was a direct result of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s decision in 2010 to place the FRC on its list of hate groups for its rhetoric on gays.

Brian Brown, the president of NOM, pointed to a recent blog post by the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), one of the largest gay-rights groups in the country. The post, “Paul Ryan Speaking at Hate Group’s Annual Conference,” called attention to the vice presidential candidate’s scheduled appearance at the FRC’s national summit next month.

“Today’s attack is the clearest sign we’ve seen that labeling pro-marriage groups as ‘hateful’ must end,” Brown said in a statement issued following the shooting.

“For too long national gay-rights groups have intentionally marginalized and ostracized pro-marriage groups and individuals by labeling them as ‘hateful’ and ‘bigoted.’ ”

Interestingly, the FRC probably does not want Corkins to be charged with a hate crime. Ryan Reilly at Talking Points Memo notes that D.C.’s hate crime laws include penalties for violent crimes motivated by political affiliation:

While the FRC has specifically opposed expanding hate crimes protections to individuals targeted for violent attacks because of their sexual orientation or gender identity because they believe it “sends the false message that deviant sexual behaviors are somehow equivalent to other categories of protection such as race or sex,” the group also opposes any hate crimes law on principle.

“Violent attacks upon people or property are already illegal, regardless of the motive behind them. With ‘hate crime’ laws, however, people are essentially given one penalty for the actions they engaged in, and an additional penalty for the politically incorrect thoughts that allegedly motivated those actions,” the group states on its website.

“We oppose all Thought Crime laws in principle, because penalizing people specifically for their thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes — even ones abhorrent to us and to the vast majority of Americans, such as racism — would undermine the freedom of speech and thought at the heart of our democracy,” the group states.

It would also be self-defeating in the group’s fundraising efforts. If Corkins were charged with a hate crime, it would undercut their claims that they are the victims of an oppressive, secular Christian-hating culture. (Not that this is an argument in favor of hate crime laws, mind you. Hate crime laws are awful.)

So if this is treated as a weird isolated incident as it should be (and be grateful it wasn’t worse than it was), is it too much to ask that this incident brings about and end to all the tiresome rhetoric about angry rhetoric? That is, will both sides agree that combative political speech is being used by unstable people as an excuse to engage in violence and it is not the cause of violence? Can we get to that point, pretty please?

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  • R C Dean||

    Sooooo … pro-gay violence. What is the deal with that?

    Seemed ineffectual. Limp-wristed, even.

  • Scott S.||

    Gurrrrl, you didn't!

  • Lost_In_Translation||

    Oooooohhhhhhh.....SNAP!

  • BakedPenguin||

    Yes. Had he been a member of the Pink Pistols, he could have been much more effective.

  • Proprietist||

    His lack of wrist control may be the only reason that security guard is still alive.

  • The Hammer||

    I wonder if this is some sort of conservative false flag operation?

  • Brutus||

    No way. Conservatives carry .45s, not nines, which are only good for killing Europeans. You need a .45 to kill an American.

  • Brett L||

    The 1911 was invented to kill MILFs. True story.

  • WTF||

    Moro Insurgent Lunatic Filipinos?

  • Brutus||

    Let's hope so. We have other uses for domestic MILFs.

  • Brett L||

    The Moro Islamic Liberation Front. Fought the US since we took over from Spain up to the current day. And then the Internet showed up and made them a joke.

  • SugarFree||

    Without the beard, you're not a bear. You're just fat.

  • ||

    This guy couldn't be a bear even with a beard. Look at his pitifully smooth chest.

  • Lost_In_Translation||

    Harsh..but fair.

  • ||

    As you are king of the bears, you would know.

  • SugarFree||

  • ||

    You know my chest better than anybody. Fag.

  • ||

    Look, as the gayest monster since gay came to Gaytown, I reserve the right to judge.

  • ||

    Only God judge my chest hair.

    10/10.

  • ||

    Judge Reinhold?

  • ||

    Well at least we have a hung jury.

  • ||

    Well hung.

  • ||

  • Pip||

    Judge Roy Bean?

  • Drake||

    Because you are a disgusting fatbody!

  • Restoras||

    +1 M-14

  • Loki||

    Are you quitting on me? Well, are you? Then quit, you slimy fucking walrus-looking piece of shit! Get the fuck off of my obstacle! Get the fuck down off of my obstacle! NOW! MOVE IT! Or I'm going to rip your balls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world! I will motivate you, Private Pyle, IF IT SHORT-DICKS EVERY CANNIBAL ON THE CONGO!

  • Restoras||

    One of the finest pieces of acting, ever.

  • Loki||

    Not sure how much of it was really "acting", given how much of his dialogue was ad-libbed.

  • WTF||

    Yeah, I don't think that was acting so much as just being a Marine D.I.

  • Drake||

    He WAS a Drill Instructor looking at a disgusting fatbody. It wasn't acting or ab-libbing. It was R. Lee Ermey simply expressing himself.

  • nipplemancer||

    One of the greatest moments of my life was when I reported to Camp Geiger for Infantry School and R. Lee Ermey was doing a tour of the base with the Commandant. We begged him to berate us FMJ style and he did. Funniest and nicest guy I've ever met.

  • Drake||

    Oh shit, that must have been great. Makes being a Geiger Tiger almost worth it.

  • Loki||

    I would probably be willing to pay money to be berated FMJ style by R. Lee Ermey, just to see if I could stand there and take it without pulling a private Pyle and smiling, laughing, or otherwise reacting in any way. Of course, knowing how well that turns out for Pyle does give me pause.

  • Mr. Soul||

    loved him in Silverman.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    He was at Bagram AF filming an episode of "Mail Call" in 2004 - he was going to give a quick chat and leave - ended up staying over as he was mobbed by damn near all of us, primarily 2/8 Marines. Signed autographs, cracked jokes, talked to hundreds of Soldiers and Marines - nice guy.

    And I still laugh my ass off at the first half of FMJ.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    And I still laugh my ass off at the first half of FMJ.

    I don't know anyone who's ever been in the military who doesn't love it. I think it's because if you've gone through basic, regardless of the service, you got your ass chewed by someone just like him at least once, and it's funny watching it happen to someone else.

  • hk||

    The movie was great, but I'm not going to over-glorify a public worker.

  • ||

    Acting?!?

    Read this.

  • WTF||

    Colceri never got to play the role, as former US Marine Corps Drill Instructor R. Lee Ermey, consultant for the Marine Corps boot camp portion of the film, performed a demonstration on videotape in which he yelled obscene insults and abuse for 15 minutes without stopping, repeating himself or even flinching - despite being continuously pelted with tennis balls and oranges.

    I am in awe.

  • Drake||

    If only he would run for public office. The debates would get higher ratings than the superbowl.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    What makes it so impressive is that English is a terrible language for cussing. All cussing in English essentially revolves around a small group of words that are used in various ways. To be able to go on ad infinitum is a tough task.

    In other languages it's much easier to go on a cussing tirade than in English.

  • Drake||

    I'll bet a lot of money that the pistol wasn't legally purchased or carried in DC.

  • Brutus||

    I think I read that he got it in Virginia.

  • Mike M.||

    Recently, a Reason commenter posting under the screen name "Tonio" was obsessively posting about Chick-Fil-A and the Family Research Council, and just a few days ago in fact he even went so far as to compare the F.R.C. to the Nazis. He was making some bizarre accusations basically accusing them of lobbying Uganda to try and exterminate all the gays or something.

    Oh Tonio, please come on here and post something at your first opportunity, just to reassure us all that you're not this fat, demented slob we see here in this picture.

  • ||

    Hey, asshole, Tonio is a long-time poster here at HR, way longer than you. Tonio may be gay and may have been worked up about the Chick-Fil-A shit, but I'd sure rather have him here than a fucking HitUndRunpublican like yourself.

    Now shut the fuck up.

  • Mike M.||

    I don't give a flying fuck how long he has been posting here, and you can just go fuck yourself right in your earhole.

    All I know is that a few days ago some lunatic was on here ranting about CFA and the FRC, and now some nut walked right in there and shot a security guard. I just want to hear from the guy is all.

  • ||

    Ha, you can want to hear all you want, fuckface. No one gives a fuck what you want. Feel free to enjoy my laughter at you demanding anything from someone as senior here as Tonio, you piece of fucking shit.

  • Mike M.||

    Like anyone gives a fuck about you or what you want. And I'm laughing right back at you, but none of your stupid jokes, or your pathetic Dennis Miller-ish routine, you worthless loser.

  • ||

    You know, I had hoped for a better insult stream from you, not this pathetic drivel. But what else should I expect from a pathetic HitUndRunpublican shitheel like you. How about you do us all a favor, fuckbag, and go to your natural home, FreeRepublic?

    Dennis Miller is your insult? Jesus Christ, I thought our trolls were the worst, but you're even more pathetic.

  • RBS||

    OK, so today was the first I ever actually went to FreeRepublic and well, what the fuck?

  • ||

    OK, so today was the first I ever actually went to FreeRepublic and well, what the fuck?

    It's...interesting. Sometimes I'll go there whenever Team Blue gets me so down in the dumps that I think about being a regular conservative.

    Then I read that stuff.

  • Skip||

    I always got to FreeRepublic when I want to know how web sites were designed in 1998.

  • Mike M.||

    Well yeah, you think that you're Reason's Dennis Miller. As if anyone who spent any time here couldn't notice.

    The main difference is that he can actually be funny and witty once in a while. None of your stupid jokes you litter every other thread with are even the least bit funny, and your cultural references are trite, stupid and boring.

  • ||

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Yes, your opinion of my comments is something that matters to me. Really. In fact, I now feel terrible about myself and will never make another joke again. You have chastised me.

    Fuck off to FreeRepublic, scumbag. Or do you want to play like this every fucking time you post?

  • Mike M.||

    Ooooooh, not only do you think that you're funny and clever, you also think you're intimidating as well.

    And THAT is way funnier than any of your stupid jokes. You couldn't intimidate a kitten, pal.

  • ||

    I can absolutely intimidate a kitten, in fact, I've done it before. But it's not about intimidation, tuff gai. It's about you being a fucking FreeRepublic shitbag.

    Tell me, what gives you a bigger hard-on; hating gays or hating foreigners?

  • Mike M.||

    I have absolutely no idea what the heck "FreeRepublic" is. Is this another one of those obscure cultural references that is supposed to try and impress people with how hip and clever you are? I'm as unimpressed as always.

    And by the way, if this Tonio fellow is such the long time Reason commenter that you say he is (as if that meant anything), then where is he? This thread has been up for almost an hour now.

  • ||

    If you're too fucking stupid to know what your natural home is, douchebag, that isn't my problem. And Tonio doesn't need to prove shit to you, fuckwad.

    Maybe you can give us some more of your wisdom about homos or chicken sandwiches? Tonio doesn't need to be here; I am.

    I can't tell how crushed I am by you being unimpressed. It's killing me, and I think I might go have a cry.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    I think we know who's socket puppet Tony is now.

  • Pip||

    I'd like to hear the kitten story, Epi. Do tell.

  • Professor Booty||

    Ease up a little. It's not like he has expressed a love of deep dish pizza or uwe boll movies.

  • Sudden||

    His latest twitter updated showed that he was grabbing a pizza from Zachary's and taking it home to watch Alone in the Dark.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    For a moment I thought you said "Uwe Blap" movies. As if we need more film of 7 foot, useless Germans.

  • The Hammer||

    What the fuck does "Reason's Dennis Miller" even mean?

  • Mike M.||

    What the fuck does "Reason's Dennis Miller" even mean?

    Back in the old days (before he forged a second career as a radio host and talk show sidekick) when he was primarily a stand up comedian, the core of Miller's routine was to litter his jokes with pop cultural references, some of them really obscure. Lots of references to old movies and TV shows and stuff.

    This is the speciality niche that Episiarch has cultivated for himself here. You really never noticed? He does it all the time, and he isn't nearly as funny as he thinks he is.

  • The Hammer||

    "Star Trek" is not exactly obscure. And that schtick is really not exclusive to Epi by any means.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    What's 'Star Track',
    some kind of precursor to American Idol?

  • ||

    Oh noes, Mike says I'm not funny! Whatever will I do! My entire self esteem rests on what some TEAM RED fuck thinks!

    Hey Mike, are you actually delusional enough to think anyone gives a flying fuck what you think? Are you really that fucking stupid?

    Of course you are.

  • ||

    Social media was built upon the premise that someone gives a flying fuck what someone else thinks.

    BUT NOW IT'S GONE TOO FAR! Get those moronic tweets off my Deadliest Catch you bastards!

  • RBS||

    Get those moronic tweets off my Deadliest Catch you bastards!

    I agree, except when they are making fun of some greenhorn crying.

  • Mike M.||

    Tonio doesn't need to be here; I am.

    Oooooh, so intimidating, and now you've appointed yourself as his big brother stand-in too!

    Are you standing shirtless in front of a mirror flexing your muscles posting this stuff? Please stop being so gosh darn intimidating before I have to go put on a new pair of boxers, I'm begging you!

  • BakedPenguin||

    Why do so many fucking people who claim to be fucking libertarians have a hard-on for the government cementing different legal status for gay people? It's not as if there's a huge pot of money the gays will get if gay marriage becomes legalized. I don't get it.

  • ||

    Why do so many fucking people who claim to be fucking libertarians have a hard-on for the government cementing different legal status for gay people? It's not as if there's a huge pot of money the gays will get if gay marriage becomes legalized. I don't get it.

    Because they're dipshits, as we see above.

    DURRR NO SPECIAL RIGHTS FOR FAGGOTS BUT I AINT NO HOMOPHOBE

  • ||

    Wow, Mike sure has a hard on for being intimidated. Hey buddy, you like gimp masks and ball gags?

    Oh shit, now I know why he hates homos.

  • Mike M.||

    Oh shit, now I know why he hates homos.

    Your Amazing Kreskin routine is an even worse imitation for the real thing than your Dennis Miller routine.

    Just keep on telling yourself that you know everything though. Maybe you'll impress someone one of these days, but it's doubtful.

  • ||

    I predict that Mike will make an utterly lame insult, and then say something retarded about impressing someone, or something equally stupid.

    Oh look! My prediction came true!

    Thanks for being a complete douchebag, Mikey. It gives me something to do while I write SQL queries.

  • Randian||

    queries.

    Huh huh...you said queer.

  • Randian||

    I see our newest resident Yokeltarian has gone around the bend.

    Not surprising, really. You can take the boy out of the trailer park, but you can't take the trailer park out of the boy.

  • ||

    It's like some kind of gay nerd catfight in here.

  • ||

    Nerd?!?

  • ||

    Someone mentioned Star Trek.

  • Trespassers W||

    Mike M. thinks it's clever to call the president "Block Yomomma". QED.

  • Randian||

    Seriously, I don't get the Block Yomomma thing at all. Like, WTF does that even mean?

  • ||

    It means "code word/insult for TEAM RED inclusion". Using it tells your fellow TEAM assholes that you're one of them. It being insanely lame is just part of the icing on the cake.

  • ||

    It pleases me to see this outpouring of hatred for this TEAM RED dipshit*. Maybe there's hope for this place yet.

    *Who I've never even noticed before. Who the fuck is this guy?

  • Randian||

    He's somebody who calls us Team Orange Line unironically.

  • Spoonman.||

    Team Orange Line? Does that mean he's LoneWhacko?

  • RBS||

  • LTC(ret) John||

    This is the second time in as many days you've used "trailer park" in an insult. I'm getting a very anti-trailer vibe from you.

    OTHERER OF LOW COST HOUSING!

    DWELLINGIST!

  • VG Zaytsev||

    I see our newest resident Yokeltarian has gone around the bend.

    Shouldn't you be out buying some Pinot for your gay lover?

  • GILMORE||

    GAY FIGHT!!GAY FIGHT!!GAY FIGHT!!!GAY FIGHT!!!

    ~~~~EPI VS. MIKE.M~~~

    "THE BITCHSLAP FEST OF THE CENTURY"

    more entertaining than a Indian/Pakistani shouting match!!!

    (referencing: War Nerd Called It: Indians And Pakis Too Faggy For War)

    http://exiledonline.com/war-ne.....y-for-war/

    Will India and Pakistan ever finish the cat-fight and get on with a real war? “We live in hope,” like my grandma used to say — but don’t hold your breath. Listening to the Indian and Paki generals shaking their little fists at each other, with their little mustaches going up and down, hearing the Indians talk about how their patience is “almost” exhausted — it just gets me down.

    This fag-slapping shit gives war a bad name.

    I used to live next to a housefull of Pakistanis in Santa Ana. They were all brothers or cousins or something and ran this pirate cab company, and they fought non-stop — but I never saw a single punch thrown. It was this weird Pakistani style of fighting: they’d yell for hours before they escalated to slapping — weird downward slaps, like elephants hitting each other with their trunks. After a couple minutes of that, they’d each retreat about five yards and look around for automotive parts to throw. They’d keep throwing till they were tired, or till they accidentally hit one of the half-fixed taxis parked in the yard. That was the only thing that sobered them up: hurting a car....

  • ||

    Beautiful display of the article's headline.

  • ||

    I'm nothing if not full of hate. And beans.

  • The Hammer||

    I'm actually kind of curious what Tonio has to say about this myself. Mike M. does have a point; he was making some fairly heinous accusations of the FRC.

  • RBS||

    Eh, what I really want to know is what Stormy put in her LiveJournal?

  • The Hammer||

    We already know what Stormy put in her LiveJournal. "OMG KOCH BROTHERS!!!" It's the same shit every time she posts here. At least Tonio might have something new to add.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    When have I ever mention the Koch Brothers?

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    Hey, asshole, Tonio is a long-time poster here at HR, way longer than you.

    Go TEAM ORANGE!!

  • Randian||

    *yawn*

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    Maybe you don't find it laughable that someone whose entire schtick is "TEAM RED/BLUE" falls into team mode at the drop of a hat, but I do.

  • Randian||

    I am not surprised that an accusatory asshole gets your sympathy.

  • Mike M.||

    Let me be clear that I am NOT accusing anyone of anything. The overwhelming odds are obviously that Tonio had absolutely nothing to do with this act whatsoever and that hit rantings of a few days ago are nothing but a total coincidence.

    I will tell you this though: if I worked for the F.B.I. or some other investigative agency, I'd be hitting up the Reason Foundation right now for all the info, such as his I.P. address records, his last time of login, and the whole nine yards. With a subpoena if necessary.

  • ||

    Since they actually, you know, have the shooter in custody that seems to be a waste of time. Or are you suggesting that Tonio should be put under surveillance just in case he starts shooting too?

  • Mike M.||

    I'm not suggesting anything. But part of the responsibility of people tasked with investigating a crime is to gather every bit of evidence that they possibly can get their hands on regarding things such as motive. Any potential lead, no matter how thin, has to be investigated.

    And if someone truly and honestly believes that the Family Research Council is an organization equivalent to the Nazis and that they are playing a role in helping to perpetrate genocide in Africa, that would explain a lot as to why someone might be driven to commit an act like this.

  • ||

    You are suggesting something. You're suggesting Tonio is the shooter and the police should go on a fishing expedition.

  • JW||

    And if someone truly and honestly believes that the Family Research Council is an organization equivalent to the Nazis

    I worked for Heritage in the past and I can tell you from personal experience that the FRC is a bunch of fucking knuckle-dragging, so-con goose steppers. They wouldn't hesitate to round up all the gays and throw them in camps.

    You would be right to fear them.

  • Randian||

    Does it hurt to be categorically retarded, or is it sort of like being strung out on Oxy?

  • mr simple||

    So this is the thread where we all have to choose sides?

  • JW||

    So this is the thread where we all have to choose sides?

    GET HIM!

  • Mike M.||

    Still no sign yet of our most long-time, revered Hit n' Run sage, by the way.

    I don't know, it sure seems a little strange to me, considering that just days ago he couldn't spend enough time on here talking enough about Chick-Fil-A and the Family Research Council and the genocidal acts they are supposedly helping to perpetrate around the world.

  • Randian||

    Would somebody please buy Mike some Thunderbird or a 40? He's obviously getting cranky.

  • Mo||

    I didn't realize that HampersandR was a union shop where seniority matters. As someone with loads of seniority, I approve.

  • Randian||

    I got dibs on the title "Antediluvian".

  • Mo||

    I was here back in the "US Should Invade Canada" days, son.

  • ||

    Who the fuck are you?

  • Jesus H. Christ||

    "I walked back to the underground, and a breeze blew back my hair.
    I remember throwing punches around and preaching from my chair"

  • BarryD||

    "The man authorities say walked into the downtown D.C. offices of the Family Research Council and shot a security guard..."

    How could he have possibly done this? It's illegal for him to carry a gun around in downtown DC.

  • albo||

    And remember, even post-Heller, DC's gun laws are exactly the kind of "common-sense" laws that anti-gun advocates want and claim will work to increase public safety.

    Because they are blind to evidence and logic.

  • Lost_In_Translation||

    but just imagine if someone else had been armed. there could have been "bullets EXCHANGED!!!"

  • albo||

    They'd be FLYING EVERYWHERE and dozens of bystanders would have been killed.

    And if would be ALL OUR FAULT!

  • Proprietist||

    If it weren't for the Heller decision, this obviously never would have happened.

  • Christ on a Cracker||

    Its a tragedy the guy was shot. But, he wasn't killed.

    This is just proof that gun control laws work!

  • R C Dean||

    If guns are controlled, only incompetents will have guns?

  • albo||

    is it too much to ask that this incident brings about and end to all the tiresome rhetoric about angry rhetoric?

    Yeah, right. Why don't you pray for rain, or wish for Firefly to come back, or Emma Stone to pose fully nude, instead?

    Ain't happening. The people on the far ends of each political spectrum are either (1) too damn immature, or (2) too blindly zealous, to think and act rationally.

  • Lost_In_Translation||

    Why don't you pray for rain, or wish for Firefly to come back, or Emma Stone to pose fully nude, instead?

    Why do you mock me!!

  • ||

    Hey, I can supply lots photographs of great babes posing nude, but not Emma Stone, unfortunately.

    Also, screw you for mentioning Firefly. Its cancelation was a tragedy, and I'm still reeling. :(

  • Lost_In_Translation||

    Also, screw you for mentioning Firefly. Its cancelation was a tragedy, and I'm still reeling. :(

    There's a support group. We meet on Tuesdays.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    For the Firefly fans, you still got Serenity.

    Still waiting for that anticipated follow-up sequel?!

  • Lost_In_Translation||

    He killed Wash! Sad movie is sad

  • Brett L||

    It was no good once they killed Wash. Oops. Sorry for the spoiler.

  • RBS||

    That part really pissed me off.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    I wasn't happy about that, and I hadn't even seen the series at that point.

    "Hey, I know! Let's kill off the most likable character!"

  • tarran||

    Serenity did for Firefly what that fourth movie with Winona Ryder did for the Aliens Franchise.

    It's better to pretend it never happened.

  • Lost_In_Translation||

    tarran,

    They made a 4th Aliens movie?

    Oh, you mean Prometheus, that anger inducing stupidity that made me want to chock out Ridley Scott.

  • ||

    I haven't had a chance to see Prometheus. Everybody I've asked loves it. What was wrong with it?

  • RBS||

    I enjoyed it for the most part but the old man suit is ridiculous and most of the characters are terrible and I wanted them all to die. Michael Fassbender is excellent though.

  • DJF||

    Their only purpose in the movie was to die so there would only be one left. So the writers set up dumb things for them to do and they died. They did not even bother making the characters interesting since their only purpose was to die.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    I haven't seen it, but I'm pretty sure it's the best of the Alien-universe series since Aliens, so I was a little disappointed to see it didn't do spectacularly well at the box office.

    Oh, well, time for Alien vs. Predator 3, I guess.

  • RBS||

    Man, AVP has so much potential if they would just stop with the retarded human characters.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    RBS,

    Those were my thoughts exactly about Wall*E.

  • ||

    WALL-E would have been better if he'd had miniguns mounted on his body. Robots blowing shit up is always better than robots not blowing shit up.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Res Publica Americana,

    WALL-E would have been better if he'd had miniguns mounted on his body. Robots blowing shit up is always better than robots not blowing shit up.

    I'll buy that for a dollar!

  • mr simple||

    LIT,
    Did you forget Resurrection or were you making a clever numbering joke?

  • Lost_In_Translation||

    Ressurrection never happened....IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!

  • Caleb Turberville||

    ...And both movies were written by Joss Whedon.

  • ||

    "Do you know what happens to a toad when it gets struck by lightning?"

  • Jesus H. Christ||

    Stone is cute as a bug, but a little on the skinny side for posing nude. How about some skin shots of Rachel Weisz?

  • ||

    I'm pretty sure she's one of those "ain't never gonna pose nude. No, siree!" types. You're out of luck, dude.

  • SugarFree||

    Weisz? She has a few nude scenes in movies. Hell, she showed a but of bush in Stealing Beauty.

    Stone on the other hand... I predict she's going to Meg Ryan us and only do a nude scene when she's so old she needs to keep her clothes on.

  • SugarFree||

    *bit of bush* stupid lack of preview. Still not working on Chrome and Win7.

  • ||

    Pull a Madonna?

  • SugarFree||

    Madonna got nude before she was famous.

  • Killazontherun||

    Yeah she had been around for a few years when Playboy published those picks from her pre-fame days. My best friend and I snuck out of my house and stole my grandma's Maverick just to buy a couple of copies of the magazine (I only look at the pictures) the night that it hit the stands. Hard to believe I use to whack off to Madonna, willingly.

  • SugarFree||

    You made the bald man cry?

  • Killazontherun||

    I recall he had a full head of hair, much like Madonna's twat.

  • SugarFree||

    And her arm pits.

  • ||

    Ugh. Kind of like that tropical forest between Demi Moore's legs in that old photo.

  • RBS||

    Reminds of something I saw on an Andrew Dice Clay VHS "you take off your panties, your pussy's singing 'Welcome To The Fucking Jungle"

  • Killazontherun||

    Personally, I love that old photo of Demi. It looks like. a challenge.

  • ||

    or Emma Stone to pose fully nude, instead?

    One name: Scarlett Johansson

    Anything is possible.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    "...wish for Firefly to come back, or Emma Stone to pose fully nude"

    OK, I can do that!

  • Ska||

    Walked out by a bicycle cop. That is some grade A shaming right there.

  • ||

    In DC, that's better than being walked out the Commissioner.

  • ||

    by the Commissioner.

  • tarran||

  • SugarFree||

    First Comment:

    Tom is still alive and mobile, he hasn't died. I know that as a fact.
    MrRatermat 3 weeks ago 4
  • Brutus||

  • ||

    Tonio K did it better

    BLASPHEMY!!!!

  • Adam330||

    I'm still waiting for the New York Times and WaPo editorials urging liberals to tone down the political rhetoric to prevent this sort of violence. Maybe they're on vacation this week.

  • Lost_In_Translation||

    Can't you see, this was obviously a republican plant in the gay community looking to descredit every right thinking liberal. I mean, white, fat, ugly with a shaved head!!

    Come on. Obvious plant is obvious!!

  • ||

    I was actually waiting for someone to say this seriously, as often anytime there's a shooting, within the first ten comments there's a, "I wonder if this is a false flag!?" post.

    Except this time.

  • The Hammer||

    Sorry, I was late to the thread.

  • Zombie Jimbo||

    My first thought on seeing the picture was, "Man, Andrew Sullivan really let himself go!"

  • Brett L||

    Man, that's dirty.

  • ||

    Maybe they've finally realized how full of shit they are and are attempting to remake themselves into more rational and honorable journalists?

    Nah.

  • Adam330||

    Well it took one day after the Giffords shooting for them to blame the Tea Party.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01......html?_r=1
    I guess I'll give them until 5pm today until I decide they are definitely hypocrites.

  • ||

    Don't worry, I'm sure they'll still find a way to blame the Tea Party.

  • Adam330||

    The FRC's rhetoric was so hateful that this guy was goaded into the attack?

  • Pip||

    Things got a little out of hand. It's just this war tea party and that lying son of a bitch Romney and...I would never hurt you. You know that.

  • Pip||

    war

  • Adam330||

    And EJ Dionne took two days. So I'm anxious to see his column tomorrow.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....1010904030

  • Loki||

    One day? Try 20 minutes.

  • ||

    The difference is this guy ACTUALLY IS is a gay rights activist, and demonstrably WAS motivated by his political beliefs. While Loughner was a textbook schizophrenic with no discernable political alleigance.

  • Loki||

    Now that it's been confirmed that the shooter was a gay rights activist, you can expect this story to be dropped and replaced with moar "PAUL RYAN IS EVUL INCARNATE!!!11!!!! OMGZ!!!1!!" crap post haste.

  • Chupacabra||

    The shooting was a logical reaction to Paul Ryan becoming a VP candidate!

  • Ryan M||

    the story is pretty well buried on CNN...

  • GlenchristLaw||

    "A Reminder that Everybody Hates Everybody"

    Perhaps, but not everybody expresses their hate by relentlessly campaigning to relegate an entire segment of (usually) law-abiding, taxpaying Americans to second-class citizenship.

    Corkins' violence is a pebble drowning in the ocean compared to the violence done to gays by the FRC and its co-bigots.

  • ||

    cant tel if serios

  • Jesus H. Christ||

    Poe's law, or something....

  • RBS||

    Chris was for many years a vice president of one of the world's largest investment banks, serving as a compliance officer licensed by FINRA and other regulatory bodies. In the wake of the financial crisis, he relocated to Arizona to pursue his dream of offering comprehensive professional services for the LGBT community.
  • Ted S.||

    As opposed to offering comprehensive amateur services?

  • T||

    I must have missed where the FRC was shooting gays. Got a cite?

  • Restoras||

    C'mon, really? It's common knowledge!

  • Brutus||

    Metaphor alert!!

  • Old Mexican||

    The Family Research Council will no doubt appreciate how some guy with a gun and bag full of Chick-fil-A sandwiches will feed its narrative they are the actual victims of oppression, not the gays.

    Could it be that NEITHER are true victims of oppression and that BOTH sides are playing into this victimology crap?

  • Lost_In_Translation||

    Truly, Urkobold is the real victim here.

    Will anyone think of the Urkobold?

  • BakedPenguin||

    Of course they will.

    Because he'll wither their taints if they don't.

  • Spraynerd||

    how many more shootings will finally even the score until you're satisfied?

  • Proprietist||

    Not until it has reached Palestine vs. Israel proportions. Long live the Kultur War.

  • ||

    "Could it be that NEITHER are true victims of oppression and that BOTH sides are playing into this victimology crap?"

    Yes.

  • Chupacabra||

    I feel oppressed by your comment.

  • Pip||

    "The Family Research Council will no doubt appreciate how some guy with a gun and bag full of Chick-fil-A sandwiches will feed its narrative they are the actual victims of oppression, not the gays."

    Hey Shackford (if that's your real name) you know who the real victim is here? The dude who got shot. Oh and where was he working when it happened? Oh yeah.

    Putz.

  • Old Mexican||

    "Violent attacks upon people or property are already illegal, regardless of the motive behind them. With 'hate crime' laws, however, people are essentially given one penalty for the actions they engaged in, and an additional penalty for the politically incorrect thoughts that allegedly motivated those actions," the group states on its website.

    That is just how oppressors of da gays talk. Let's have'em hate crime laws!

  • Tman||

    will both sides agree that combative political speech is being used by unstable people as an excuse to engage in violence and it is not the cause of violence?

    Both sides may agree but to the media there is no difference between an excuse or the cause. And even worse, in cases such as the Loughner tragedy -where there was no apparent political motivation for his lunacy- the media will go ahead and blame combative political speech for it anyways.

    Crazy people are crazy. The end.

  • ||

    Except, in this FRC case, the assailant demonstrably WAS motivated by a discernable political group.

    Loughner's connection to the Tea Party amounts at best to "there was some sort of climate of incivility that someone intermingled with his insane schizoid thoughts and led him to choose a political figure as the target of his obsession".

  • R C Dean||

    Here we have a bunch of cops, and a bag full of sandwiches.

    What are that odds that NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED?

  • Zombie Jimbo||

    Maybe he bought the grilled chicken instead of the original Chik-fil-a. Police like the fried foods.

  • RBS||

    No way in hell that guy ordered anything grilled.

  • ||

    i would just like to state for the record...

    i have never eaten evidence.

    although, several years ago, a detective at my precinct turned in an off white hard fibrous substance to the drug lab.

    the report came back as identifying it as a very old and dessicated piece of BONELESS SKINLESS CHICKEN BREAST

  • Almanian's Evil Twin||

    ew

  • LTC(ret) John||

    So much for field reagent testing, eh?

  • Old Mexican||

    The National Organization for Marriage (NOM), one of the nation’s leading opponents of same-sex marriage, told The Hill the shooting was a direct result of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s decision in 2010 to place the FRC on its list of hate groups for its rhetoric on gays.

    That's just crazy talk - it is clear the guy acted alone and by his own volition. Nobody in their right mind would think that the inflammatory rethoric of one group compels a person to hurt another group.

    Instead, all those crazy right-wingers conspire to kill good-hearted liberals all the time! Their radical language entices the most fringe of them to go and hunt good people!

  • The Hammer||

    Do crazy people really plan stuff out for 2 and a half years? That just doesn't seem right.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: The Hammer,

    Do crazy people really plan stuff out for 2 and a half years? That just doesn't seem right.

    Remember that P'takh's -- sorry, Potok's -- little outfit never took down the FRC off their list of not-cool organizations.

  • Brett L||

    More mass shooting. It must be the heat.

    LAPLACE, La. (AP) — Two sheriff's deputies in Louisiana were shot to death and two others were injured in an early morning shootout west of New Orleans, authorities said Thursday.

  • The Hammer||

    This story is just bizarre. Of course that could just be from the complete lack of detail beyond "Assault Weapon!!!"

  • Spoonman.||

    That is...interesting.

  • Restoras||

    I don't know if I see the problem.

  • Brett L||

    The first deputy certainly didn't deserve to get shot for standing in a parking lot at the request of the lot's owner.

  • The Hammer||

    Not this shit again...

  • Paul.||

    Wasn't there some internet porn mogul who was arrested with a gun, hiding in some conservative organization's headquarters? Gonna have to look that up.

  • Mint Berry Crunch||

    Hope it wasn't John Staliano!

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    "It would also be self-defeating in the group’s fundraising efforts."

    It would be self-defeating if they insisted on hate-crimes charges, but the prosecutors have the final say on that, not the FRC.

    Incidentally, I suspect the difference between this incident and (say) the Sikh shooting or the Batman shooting is the presence of an alert security guard. I doubt the shooter meant to limit himself to simply wounding one person.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    It would be self defeating in that it undermines the FRC's "look how persecuted Christians are in this country" narrative.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    That really defends on how one defines "Christian" and "persecution."

    The kind of Christian who firmly believes (say) that abortion is wrong and marriage is between a man and a woman will be, under many current laws, forced to violate his conscience.

  • SugarFree||

    The law forces men to marry men? Well, shit-fire! Why am I still stuck with this dang old wife of mine? Come on, law. Get to work! I want me a twink!

    And then next weekend the law can force me to give a woman an abortion! Whee!

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Well, let's see - there's the federal "contraceptive mandate" which includes what many conscientiously believe to be abortifacients -

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....pens-next/

    And there are the wedding photographers compelled to recognize same-sex relationships.

    http://reason.com/blog/2012/06.....o#comments

    That last one was in Reason, you notice.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    Except the FRC is all for mandates when it's things like requiring pharmacies to continue to employ people that don't want to do their job for religious reasons.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    They haven't been particularly successful in most states. The HHS mandate, in contrast, applies all over the country.

  • Brutus||

    It also forces businesses (photogs, bakeries, venues, etc.) with religious objections to homosexuality to associate with gays and their nuptials.

  • Pip||

    I'm okay with the gays, but there is no way I am touching their nuptials. No. Fucking. Way.

  • Loki||

    Corkins said “I don’t like your politics,” according to the FBI affidavit. He then shot at Johnson, the affidavit said, and hit him in the arm.

    The guard wrestled the gun away from Corkins and subdued him.

    1) How far away was he that he was only able to hit the guard in the arm? Why would I not be surprised if this was the first time he had even held a gun, much less fired one?

    2) A fucking rent-a-cop was able to wrestle the gun away from him and subdue him? What a fucking pussy.

  • Spoonman.||

    He probably thought you were only supposed to use one hand, like on TV.

  • Restoras||

    And hold it sideways.

  • SugarFree||

    A terrific way to put an eye out with a red-hot ejected casing.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    Back in the day, I prosecuted a Latin King who held a gun like that inn an attempted driveby - the first casing lodged behind his ear, and he started yelping and kept firing, pistol pointing stright up now - through the car roof and scaring the driver who crashed.

    Cops were still laughing when they hauled him up for bond call the next morning (I set them off again when I asked what the bandage on the guys ear was for).

    Rap videos and gangsta movies - misinforming shooters for 20+ years!

  • Loki||

    With a limp wrist...

  • Brutus||

    Yeah, if you're a novice you want to go revolver all the way. I know it's not as sexy as a semi-auto and doesn't have the capacity, but it's so simple.

  • Almanian's Evil Twin||

    +6

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Corkins said “I don’t like your politics,” according to the FBI affidavit.

    Sounds like gay domestic terrorism to me. Off to Gitmo with him.

  • RBS||

    Ok, so you hate the FRC. Why shoot the security guard?

  • ||

    One symbolic shooting is as good as another?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Probably because the security guard thwarted his attempt to shoot a bunch more people.

  • RBS||

    I'm going with Mad Scientist on this one.

  • ||

    It's also likely that the security guard was just the first person he encountered when he walked into the place.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    The security guard is an instrument of anti-gay oppression. He should have chosen to be part of the solution, not the problem, and assisted Corkins.

  • ||

    he's clearly a little eichmann

  • mr simple||

    Why yell at a cashier for the CEO's politics? People are stupid.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    I don't think the shooter went in thinking, "let's wound a security guard!" He was probably more ambitious.

  • mr simple||

    No, I think he just wanted to do damage to anyone associated with the place, just like the idiot who yelled at the cashier. It's still stupid, as they both are just working a job that has nothing to do with the beliefs of the organization or its leaders.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    I don't know for sure, but I read that he tried to get past the guard by pretending to be an intern for the FRC. If in fact he was trying to get *past* the guard, that suggests that he had more in mind than simply wounding the guard in the arm.

  • ||

    kind of like how the ignorati blame cops for the war on drugs, when its the fault of the legislature.

  • WTF||

    Good point, the cops are just following orders, after all.

  • ||

    as are you, when you pay taxes to support the war on drugs

  • Randian||

    as are you, when you pay taxes to support the war on drugs

    You can quit your job without going to jail.

    I can't quit paying taxes under the same circumstances.

  • ||

    so, you are admitting to cowardice then?

    not willing to go to jail for a cause

    fair enuf

    fwiw, i can (and do) use my officer discretion, as a libertarian cop, to reduce harm

    the other day i wrote (and my sgt. approved) a "verbal warning" for a criminal mj case.

    iow, as a libertarian cop i CAN make a difference in harm reduction

    what have YOU done to reduce the harm of the war on drugs?

  • sarcasmic||

    You know who else was just following orders?

  • ||

    all those cops who read miranda warnings...

  • RBS||

    Wait, so dunphy really just called Randian a coward for not being willing to go to prison for tax evasion?

  • Randian||

    That's what I am seeing.

    iow, as a libertarian cop i CAN make a difference in harm reduction

    what have YOU done to reduce the harm of the war on drugs?

    How about the fact that I haven't fucking arrested anybody for drugs, unlike you. Do you think that's a good start?

    I have received pretty decent job offers that I have had to turn down because I won't prosecute drug cases.

  • ||

    i can respect that. (the latter)

    and as a libertarian cop, *i* can use my officer discretion

    in the latter case, assume the cop responding to the scene wasn't libertarian

    there is less harm by my approach, therefore i am effecting positive change

    drug enforcement is such a TINY part of my job, and i agree with PJ ORourke vis a vis it as a civil rights issue

    but i can respect you putting your $$$ where your mouth is. that's actually DOING something vs. spouting at hit and run

    cheers

  • Randian||

    I am going to Godwin this thing and say that you logic is like saying "well, I used my discretion and only shot three Jews today. The other guys did way worse".

    But, you still shot innocent people.

  • WTF||

    I'm pretty sure I Godwined this thing right at the start, but it kind of needed to be.

  • ||

    i've mentioned this about 10X, but i have the PJ ORourke approach.

    it's simply not an equivalency. the WOD is bad policy, but it's not even remotely analogous.

    but i don't evne blame you for godwining it.

    "it's a fair cop, mate"

  • ||

    and as a libertarian cop, *i* can use my officer discretion

    Technically any discretion you make as a law enforcer is by definition corruption.

    Furthermore the separation of the courts from enforcement is libertarian. (due process, equal protection under the law, rule of law etc.) You as a law enforcer using your discretion is breaking that classically liberal barrier.

  • sarcasmic||

    Wait, so dunphy really just called Randian a coward for not being willing to go to prison for tax evasion?

    In my experience cops tend to be quick to call people cowards.
    We sure know that they're not cowards.
    I mean, beating the shit out of unarmed people half their size and then hiding behind a badge certainly doesn't make them cowards.
    No. They're manly and courageous.

  • ||

    still bitter about your dui, sarcasmic?

    clearly.

  • sarcasmic||

    No. I'm bitter about having to fix a car that hit me after running a red light because the officer lied by omission in the report.

  • ||

    if he "lied by omission" then you had every right to bring up the relevant fact s in your defense.

    we've been over this.

  • sarcasmic||

    you had every right to bring up the relevant fact s in your defense.

    Only if you've got a few grand to spend on a lawyer. Otherwise you're guilty by reason of being poor.

  • Pip||

    I had an incident with a pig yesterday. For the second time in two days, the same kid, in the same outfit, made eye-contact with me about twenty feet in front of me (I dress like a siucceful business man, of course that doen't mean I'm succesful, but I digress). Both days his next act was to change his direction and walk directly at me. A game of chicken if you will. The first day, he actually walked into me. Yesterday, I stepped aside. I then walked over to three cops at the end of the block to let them know what this kid was doing, because as I told them, if he's doing it to me, he's likely doing it to others. The first words out of the mouth of one of the cops -- the really fat on -- were "Deck him." Right. Like I'm just gonna punch some kid in the street. But I am not surprised that this pig's knee-jerk reaction was violence.

  • RBS||

    Stop being such a pussy and hit the fucking kid.

  • Pip||

    On the flip side, later in the day I was at the same spot and smelled weed. There were four kids walking ahead of me smoking a joint. I said to them that I was fine with what they were doing, but wanted them to know that there are usually a cople of cops at the end of the block. Good thing to because less than a minute later two of the cops walked by.

  • Pip||

    God I spell like shit when I'm using a non-Reasonable browser.

  • sarcasmic||

    Like I'm just gonna punch some kid in the street.

    You obviously lack the honesty and integrity required to be a cop.

  • WTF||

    And, he equated it with him not being willing to find another job rather than follow orders he claims to find immoral.

  • ||

    look at it this way.

    we need cops. i know the bigorati don't agree with this, but we are overwhelmingly a force for good in this country.

    but that aside, if one could only be a cop IF one agreed with every law in the penal code, then nobody could be a cop

    fwiw, i may not agree that miranda was properly decided, but it WAS decided, so i follow it

    i don't agree with TONS of laws. a nonviolent felon stripped of his right to carry, for example.

    and i see FAR more injustice in the war on domestic violence vs. the war on drugs

    but in both cases, i can at least do my best to be fair and to use discretion where i can

    i am a pragmatist, not an idealist.

    if you want a police force of dumb, unthinking brutes (probably what you falsely believe our police are), then go ahead

    the world would be a much better place if even a tiny percentage of those who were agains the WOD actually did something to affect positive change vs. circle jerking about it here

    honesty and integrity are important and they mean that i sometimes enforce laws i don't agree with

    that's the way it works - social contract and all that shit

    what is the better option?

  • WTF||

    honesty and integrity are important and they mean that i sometimes enforce laws i don't agree with

    You keep using those words, honesty and integrity; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

  • sarcasmic||

    You keep using those words, honesty and integrity; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

    If I remember correctly dunphy said he used to do undercover work.

    So he paid his bills by gaining people's trust and then betraying them.

    Honesty and integrity all the way!

  • WTF||

    And I'm pretty sure that most undercover work involves drug deals, since that is pretty much the only way to get proof of a 'crime' that is actually a voluntary exchange.

  • RBS||

    Integrity would mean not enforcing laws you do not agree with. Enforcing them is...cowardice.

  • ||

    but that aside, if one could only be a cop IF one agreed with every law in the penal code, then nobody could be a cop

    Sadly the police brutality apologist is correct.

    Cops are a fundamental good that far outweighs the injustice of the drug war.

    what is the better option?

    The best option is to legalize pot...then when that goes well start legalizing the rest.

  • Pip||

    "we need cops"

    This is where you lose me. Granted, I did employ there services yesterday, but if there were no cops, I'd be living in a society where I could deck that kid.

  • sarcasmic||

    I'd be living in a society where I could deck that kid.

    You are living in such a society.

    If you had decked that kid and he called the cops over, they would have laughed at him and asked if he wanted to get decked again before searching him for drugs and running him for warrants.

  • Coeus||

    So what is it, Dunphy? Pretending to be a reasonable pragmatist today? Are we now supposed to pretend that you don't believe "that the vast majority of laws are just"?

  • ||

    quote where i said enforcing drug laws was "immoral"

    i think it's terrible policy.

  • WTF||

    My mistake - I will concede you actually think the drug laws are somehow moral.

  • ||

    fair enuf. and like i said, i have more problems on a day to day basis with many War on DV laws. they cause (imo) more harm to actual innocents, and have way more arrests of actual innocents

  • LTC(ret) John||

    "You know who else was just following orders?"

    Stormtroopers on the Death Star detention level?

  • Anonymous Coward||

    kind of like how the ignorati blame cops for the war on drugs, when its the fault of the legislature.

    Moral agency? What's that?

  • ||

    do your taxes pay for the war on drugs?

    better stop paying taxes so you can stop empowering the anti-drug warriors

    and like i said, the last two drug cases i had to deal with were called in by a pharmacy per a doctor's request.

    those evil doctors enforcing the war on drugs!!!!

  • WTF||

    Let's see:

    Stop paying taxes - get thrown in jail by the State's enforcers.

    Refuse to follow immoral orders - have to find another job.

    Yep, sure seems equivalent to me.

  • sarcasmic||

    Yep, sure seems equivalent to me.

    Totally

  • ||

    again, i am overwhelmingly a force for good.

    the fact that i (very rarely) have to enforce drug laws i disagree with?

    bad

    just like lots of other laws.

    what is a better solution? seriously.

    do you want hardworking, conscientious heroic cops or do you want unthinking thugs ?

    imo, our forces are filled primarily with the former, but i *know* i am of the former.

    so, what is a better solution?

    seriously.

    don't argue for the sake of arguing, do you REALLY think that because i disagree with the WOD, on a policy basis, that it would improve the situation for me not to be a cop?

    who would take my place? would that person do as good a job and work as hard to towards justice?

    i am 99% confident the answer is no

    i'll continue to do work that is overwhelmingly a force for good, and yes - sometimes i will have to arrest somebody for a drug crime

    my conscience can live with that.

    heck, i'm immensely proud of being a cop and i have 100% confidence there are people walking around who would probably be dead if i hadn't done the job i did.

    no regrets,

  • sarcasmic||

    again, i am overwhelmingly a force for good.

    *snort*

    I couldn't read any further. I'm afraid I'd die laughing.

  • WTF||

    again, i am overwhelmingly a force for good.

    I started laughing, too. I just pictureD him in a mocked-up super hero outfit with a cape screaming:

    I am overwhelmingly a force for good! I am the DUNPHINATOR!!

  • sarcasmic||

    I am overwhelmingly a force for good! I am the DUNPHINATOR!!

    "And my ego is"
    *arms outstretched*
    "THIS BIG!"

  • LTC(ret) John||

    "again, i am overwhelmingly a force for good."

    Usain Bolt, is that you?

  • ||

    like i said, i know you have these false conceptions of what police work is.

    but i can speak for myself, and i know that i have saved lives, and helped people

    it's not even remotely questionable.

    i know that in 20+ yrs, my record speaks for itself.

    i love what i do, and i am as proud as i could be of what i've accomplished.

    my job gives me the opportunity to do that kind of thing. it's not just about my skills, it's about being blessed with the opportunity to work in a field where i can make the world a better place and help people

    if you can say the same about what you do, more power to you.

  • sarcasmic||

    it's about being blessed with the opportunity to work in a field where i can make the world a better place and help people

    *chortle*

    That's pretty good! Will you be here all week?

  • WTF||

    heck, i'm immensely proud of being a cop and i have 100% confidence there are people walking around who would probably be dead if i hadn't done the job i did.

    This is gold, Jerry, gold!

  • sarcasmic||

    This is gold, Jerry, gold!

    Maybe he means there are people who would be dead if he hadn't restrained fellow officers from killing them!

    I hear about officers intervening in the beating of suspects all the time!

    Don't you?

    Haaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!

    Don't forget to tip the waitress.

  • Spoonman.||

    Jesus, use the enter key less. What the fuck is wrong with you, Dunphy?

  • Pip||

    "again, i am overwhelmingly a force for good."

    And some call him pig.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    do you want unthinking thugs

    That's kind of what we have now, so...not really an either/or choice there, Dunphinator.

  • Coeus||

    do you want hardworking, conscientious heroic cops or do you want unthinking thugs ?

    How about a cop who arrests the unthinking thugs. Also known as doing their job? Most of the cops I've interacted with are unthinking thugs. All you do here, despite your delusions of "speaking truth to power"(not even going into how insane that comment was), is muddy the waters for people who haven't had an encounter yet, thereby making them more vulnerable to your brothers in blue than they would otherwise be.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    do your taxes pay for the war on drugs?

    better stop paying taxes so you can stop empowering the anti-drug warriors

    Unfortunately, yes. And you getting another job and me doing 5 years in a federal penitentiary are TOTALLY the same thing, Dunph-Man.

  • Coeus||

    Unfortunately, yes. And you getting another job and me doing 5 years in a federal penitentiary are TOTALLY the same thing, Dunph-Man.

    Really lets you know how much he values the power, doesn't it?

  • ||

    So when you are doing an immoral job but just following orders from the legislature how much blame is on you?

  • The Hammer||

    I guess him saying "HuffPo told me to" would've been too much to ask.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    The Huffington Post's rhetoric isn't violent or eliminationist. When they call you hateful, racist, bigoted, evil, unAmerican, a murderer, a Fascist, a Nazi, or misogynistic, they are doing so from a place of love and tolerance.

  • Old Mexican||

    Sooooo … pro-gay violence. What is the deal with that?


    Some of the most interesting gay people in history were pretty violent... Take Leonidas, for instance... Or Batman.
  • Coeus||

    Or Batman

    While the rubber nipples aren't necessarily gay, the running around with a boy dressed in spandex pretty much cinches it, doesn't it?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    The National Organization for Marriage is simply repeating (with a little less craziness) the template the media followed with Giffords and Tiller - point to a climate of toxic rhetoric and link it to the crime. The difference is that the NOM will be mocked, while the media prompts thumb-sucking deep thoughts.

  • ||

    i recall numerous posters at democratic underground claiming that bill oreilly should be charged with "inciting violence" and other such rubbish.

    he referred to dr tiller as a "baby killer" and was therefore responsible for his murder. people seriously believe this shit

    dare i say it - this nation was FOUNDED on toxic rhetoric and we have had plenty throughout the years.

    some of the political ads in the 1800's would blow people's minds.

    the left is always looking for an external locus of control, of course, so to place blame on oreilly is just an extreme example of their penchant to do so

  • ||

    Yes, NOM will be mocked even though the shooter in this case actually has a demonstrably political motivation. Unlike Loughner.

    Jared Loughner actually was a textbook schizo with no discernable political motivation and not even a tenuous connection to the Tea Party or any other "right-wing" group.

  • ||

    "Some men just want to see the world burn" could be a political motive...

  • nicole||

    Threadjack: Chi air and water show is this weekend, and like every August, they're practicing over my house. I consider this fucking awesome, because, well, watching the Blue Angels is pretty fucking awesome, and as an anarchist I figure this is pretty much the only thing we should be doing with this hardware if we're going to have it. Yes, I recognize it's propagandistic, but it's also fun, and until someone smashes the state, I want to see fucking fighter jets.

    But my Twitter feed is all full of people who are just SO SADFACE that people would get excited about something that should be considered violent and upsetting. From one just-unfollowed tweep (in reverse-chron order):

    Fantasizing that some very confused psychotic type will shoot them down in an act of defense.

    Now that I think of it, PTSD or no, I do believe the appropriate response to hearing fighter jets overhead is fear, not delight.

    I've never even experienced war, and having fighter jets diving over my neighborhood all day is scaring the hell out of me.

    Political ideology and good taste aside, curious about the ethical implications of subjecting vets with PTSD to Air Water show.

    How terrible of a libertarian am I right now? How absurd is it that she thinks there is like, anything anyone would have in the city of Chicago that could shoot down a fighter jet? Am I actually the bigger douche here?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    The Twitter person sure seems to enjoy eliminationist rhetoric.

  • nicole||

    I actually don't get why it would "scare the hell out of" anyone who didn't have war-zone experience (or is, like, a baby or a dog). It's loud, for sure, but it's not like you think they're going to do anything but fly around and be loud.

  • mr simple||

    Sure, that's the same thoughts they had at the beginning of Red Dawn.

  • Dr. Frankenstein||

    They used to fly between the buildings before 9/11. Definitely would suprise the office worker sometimes to see a jet fly below or next to them as they were working. Where are they flying out of nowadays. It used to be the Glenview naval airstation before it closed?

  • nicole||

    No idea where they fly out of, and based on Twitter it seems they are going around downtown a bit at least, but I'm up in Edgewater and they do a lot of turning around up here; it seems like one of the primary practice areas.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    "Now that I think of it, PTSD or no, I do believe the appropriate response to hearing fighter jets overhead is fear, not delight.

    I've never even experienced war, and having fighter jets diving over my neighborhood all day is scaring the hell out of me.

    Political ideology and good taste aside, curious about the ethical implications of subjecting vets with PTSD to Air Water show."

    Having had both war experience and PTSD, fighter jet noise makes me smile - all I think of is CAP.

  • T||

    No shit. Wanna make me grin? Fly an A-10 or some Apaches overhead. The stark fist of removal is coming to smite mine enemies.

  • tarran||

    If you shoot down a U.S. government fighter jet, it will be replaced within a few weeks and its absence won't even be noticed in its operations.

    It's a stupid fantasy: every act of resistance fuels propaganda to further expand state power.

  • Loki||

    The twittering twat is the bigger douche. I'm with you: fighter jets are fucking awesome. Not to mention the skill of the pilots to do what they do while flying 3 feet away from each other is absolutely incredible. I've never seen the Blue angels, but I've seen the Thunderbirds several times, and it never gets old.

  • ||

    How terrible of a libertarian am I right now?

    I play lots of military first person shooters and consume all sorts of fiction centered around repressive and violent feudalistic and monarchism government systems.

    She needs to go fuck herself.

  • ||

    Air shows are FUCKING AWESOME. Even the biggest hippie peacefaggot should know this. I can't wait for the Labor Day one here.

  • ||

    LOTS of hippie peacefaggots protest the blue angels coming to seattle for seafair btw

  • Pip||

    In Ess Eff too.

  • Trespassers W||

    I'd be perfectly happy with the air show if only people didn't come to watch it.

  • nicole||

    Samesies. I'm afraid this fucks up my swimming plans for Saturday morning.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    I've experienced Blue Angels practicing for an air show right over the house a couple of times. It is indeed fucking awesome.

  • RBS||

    The Thunderbirds have practiced over my parents house several times. It's pretty cool just sitting by the pool watching without being pestered by the general public.

  • nicole||

    I mean, I do feel for the one lady who said she had just fallen asleep with a migraine and been woken up by them. For sure, that sucks. But thanks for affirming the awesomeness everyone!

  • Tim Cavanaugh||

    So who gets the sandwiches?

  • SugarFree||

    They will be held as evidence until after the trial and then sold at auction. Delicious.

  • ||

    No, they'll be smuggled out of the evidence locker and go on to become objects of worship for gay terrorist cells.

  • SugarFree||

    Or they'll disappear, only to turn up at crime scenes with their UPCs filed off.

  • ||

    We must have common-sense chicken sandwich registration and waiting periods to prevent this menace!

  • SugarFree||

    Tax the bun. If buns were $5,000 a piece, no one could hurt a bunch of people at once any longer.

  • ||

    this would empower the paleo dieters and everybody knows vegans trend lefty, paleo trends right/libertarian.

    !!

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Paleo dieters wouldn't touch battered meat, would they?

  • ||

    Why would any honest citizen need to buy more than one chicken sandwich a month, anyway? And you don't even need to show ID to obtain one.

  • ||

    Well, of course they wouldn't. Only terrorists do that. What we need is a new cabinet level department to control chicken sandwich consumption. And clearly we need a chicken sandwich Czar.

  • Loki||

    Cop: "Here's the culprit right here. Looks like the poor bastard choked to death on this Chick-Fil-A sandwich."

    Coroner: "What about these ligature marks around his throat?"

    Cop: "Those were self inflicted."

  • ||

    The irony is that liberals will use this to say that they shouldn't be blamed for the actions on one lone mentally disturbed man.

    Despite the fact that there is ample proof that his actions ACTUALLY WERE motivated by angry rhetoric unlike those of Jared Loughner, poster-child for the pernicious effects of "incivility" in our political climate.

  • ||

    don;t worry. already seeing some false flag posts at DU e.g.

    "Sadly, it would not surprise me to learn that this whole thing was a set-up so that the fundies

    and reichwingers would have something to whine about with those violent, angry, crazy liberals"

    plenty of others.

    the other tactic is to play up the "mentally ill" angle. iow, since he was apparently leftwing and progay and used violence, that MENTAL ILLNESS must be to blame, since "liberals are not violent"

    they seriously think that.

    tell that to jim jones' followers.

    if he was a righty, shooting up a leftwing org, anybody who played up the "mentally ill" angle would be accused of bigotry against mental illness.

    so typicAl

  • Archduke PantsFan||

    'reichwinger'

    Good lord that's lame.

  • GILMORE||

    Dunphy (the real one)| 8.16.12 @ 3:05PM |#

    don;t worry. already seeing some false flag posts at DU

    (Gag)... you actually READ that drivel?

    I think they could just reduce 99% of what they talk about to, "in what way was all of this George Bush's fault today?"

  • GILMORE||

    Dunphy (the real one)| 8.16.12 @ 3:05PM |#

    don;t worry. already seeing some false flag posts at DU

    (Gag)... you actually READ that drivel?

    I think they could just reduce 99% of what they talk about to, "in what way was all of this George Bush's fault today?"

  • ||

    All joking aside, just how did that gay man allow himself to get so fat? They're supposed to be better looking than us normal slobs.

  • SugarFree||

    It was the chicken sandwiches. He loved them. And then he couldn't have them any longer. Because some old crazy bigot hates homos. So a mental conflict was created. Want chicken. Chicken bad, supports homo-hate. Want chicken. Chicken bad. Want chicken. Chicken bad. Want chicken. Chicken bad. Want chicken. Chicken bad. Want chicken. Chicken bad.

    SNAP

    Get chicken! Kill homo-haters in absolution!

  • ||

    This seems extremely plausible.

  • SugarFree||

    This exact scenario is why we can't let faggots get married.

  • ||

    Pretty soon they'll all be marrying dogs and feeding them Chik-fil-a. Fucking faggots make me sick.

  • ||

    Be careful, someone might read this and take you seriously.

  • mr simple||

    It will definitely end up in a certain crazy woman's youtube video.

  • Pip||

    My dog is having steak and grilled asparagus this evening. He lives well.

  • ||

    This exact scenario is why we can't let faggots get married.

    huh?

    But if they get married they will get fat....which will change the perception that gays are not fat.

    Married fat gay men are the the peace makers.

  • Pip||

    So this shooter guy must be in a closeted marriage then?

  • Spoonman.||

    I fucking love this website.

  • ||

    You're thinking of the lipstick gays.

  • ||

    Excuse me, but that is an outdated and bigoted term. They are called trannies, and they are our nation's most precious resource.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    + transition

  • Coeus||

    Serious question: Is it gay if, during a blowjob from a prostitute with nice tits, you get a serious suspicion that she may actually be a guy, but purposely don't check because it was a really good blowjob and you'd already paid her/him?

    I need to know...for a friend.

  • Christina||

    You think that's crazy? I have a friend who is a gay, fat, black, libertarian, viola player, and lives in Alabama. Poor guy.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Yes, the Alabama police are doing stop-and-frisks of black people under the command of Governor Bloomberg

    (whisper whisper)

    Wait, never mind.

  • ||

    viola player

    He should do the world a favor and kill himself.

  • Christina||

    What did a violist kill your dog or something?

  • Drake||

    Do people assume he's a gangster with a sub-machine gun in the viola case?

  • Christina||

    He lives in the ghetto. I think they think he's some fag who plays classical music.

  • GILMORE||

    Well.... i mean, that's technically accurate, right?

    And if he didn't live in the ghetto.... well, neighbors would say, "hey look, it's the BLACK fag who plays classical.."

    That would suck.

  • GILMORE||

    THIS IS THE FIRST SIGN OF THE IMPENDING GAYWAR I HAVE PREDICTED FOR DECADES - AFTER WEAKENING OUR CULTURE AND DEMASCULINIZING OUR MEN AND MAKING CHILDREN "TOLERANT" OF THEIR DEVIANT LIFESTYLE THEY WILL EXPLOIT OUR DEFENSELESS POSTURE AND BEGIN THE EXECUTION OF THE PLAN OUTLINED IN THE GAYAGENDA, FIRST WITH SUBLIMINAL MESSAGING ENCODED IN SHOWS LIKE DANCING WITH THE STARS AND GLEE, FOLLOWED BY A SERIES OF GAY-EXECUTION OF LEADERS OF SPIRITUAL AND CULTURAL DEFENSE OF AMERICAN VALUES, THEN A MEDIA BARRAGE BLAMING TRUE AMERICAN DEFENDERS OF OUR CULTURE AS 'EXTREMISTS' AND HATE MONGERERS...PHASE 4 AKA "OPERATION YOU-GO-GIRL" APPEARS TO BE INITIATED... BLOOD WILL SOON RUN IN THE STREETS...AND YOU SHALL HEAR THEIR GAYWARCRY RINGING FROM THE ROOFTOPS... ("Born This Way" by Lady Gaga)

  • sarcasmic||

    You've got to quit playing your records backwards.

    Seriously.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Nice stuff.

  • Pip||

    Needs mor brackets. God I miss Herc.

  • T||

    I'm deducting points for not using 'GAYGENDA'.

  • ||

    Admit it. You like having your defensless posture exploited.

  • ||

    To quote a "friend" on Facebook

    Perhaps "everybody hates everybody," but not everybody expresses their hate by relentlessly campaigning to relegate an entire segment of (usually) law-abiding, taxpaying Americans to second-class citizenship.

    Corkins' violence is a pebble drowning in the ocean compared to the violence done to gays by the FRC and its co-bigots.
  • ||

    FRC shoots gays?

  • ||

    FRC shoots gays?


    No. They want the government to do it for them.

  • The Hammer||

    Jesus Christ. Now othering = shooting?

  • ||

    [A]nd while an astonishing 27 LGBT organizations immediately condemned the shooting, can anyone recall the same response from the right when right wing madmen attack the left?
  • GILMORE||

    ""...when right wing madmen attack the left?"

    Remind me of the last "right wing attack", again?

    The Chik-Fil-A guy saying he 'doesn't approve of teh gay' doesn't count as horrible right wing oppression, FWIW.

  • Coeus||

    And that is exactly the way they will handle this. They will pretend that every bullshit accusation of right-wing violence is true, and that their common-sense condemnation of the first actual political violence in 20 years means that they're really morally superior to all those evil republicans who just keep denying, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, that their political ideology is responsible for schizophrenia.

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