John Stossel on the Successes of Freedom in Education

"It shows how horrible things were, that it took this long for this eminently sensible thing to happen" said Fox Business host John Stossel of school choice in education.

Stossel made a speech at Reason Weekend 2012, Reason Foundation's annual donor event, about the successes of freedom in education. He talked about trying to update his 20/20 special, "Stupid in America," and not being able to do it, visiting Harlem schools full of kids ready to learn and why libertarians oppose a single payer system in health-care but cheer it in education. 

About 3:00 minutes. Filmed by Joshua Swain and Anthony Fisher. Edited by Paul Detrick.

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  • shrike||

    Bigger cages! Longer chains!

  • ||

    "John" says "registration" is coming.

    Discuss.

  • Fibertards gonna fib, all day.||

    In those days [KOCH minions] issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire [right-wing] world. And everyone went to their own town to REGISTER.

    ~The Gospel of St. Luke, chapter 1, verses 1 and 3

    The [KOCH] will write in the REGISTER of the peoples: “This one was born in Zion.”

    ~ Psalm 87:6

    This is the age of bureaucracy, and to live at this time is, as Proudhon said, "to have every operation, every transaction, every movement noted, REGISTERED, counted, rated, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, refused, authorized, endorsed, admonished, prevented, reformed, redressed, corrected ... to be laid under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, exhausted, hoaxed, and robbed."

  • Jeffersonian||

    Wanna know why registration on the way? Go look in a mirror, you fat fuck.

  • why libertards need regulated^||

  • Jeffersonian||

    Only psychotic wannabe Unabomers need that here.

  • Libertard Fascist MERITOCRACY||

    "It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aimed at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has for the moment saved European civilization. The MERIT that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history."

    ~Ludwig von Mises, Liberalism (1927)

  • mmmmmmmmmm, Merit.||

    So tasty in Aryan flavors.

  • ||

    Fascism has been associated with racism and dictator douchenozzles for decades, which has managed to cloud the fact that their economic platform was mundane and middle of the road, at least by European standards.

    The nazi's were not the ahistorical aberration that people like to think they are; they were a pretty normal outgrowth of german culture and political thought.

  • Smell the Fibertard Racism||

    Google Rothbard+"Racialist Science"

    Yeah.

    And Ayn said "any White person" does have the "Right to Take."

    Yeah.

    Smell that Fibertard Racism.

  • White Indian Loves Little Boys||

  • why libertards need regulated^||

    Nanny regulation is coming, because libertarians just cannot stand a critique of their childish political "philosophy."

    They go batshit crazy, messing up the comment section, and then blaming handicapped people for their problems.

    No wonder they get less than 1% of the vote in races they bother to enter.

  • Father Jack||

    Feck off, butwipe. Drink! Arse! Girls! Demo-publicans!

  • Mary Stack||

  • Mary Stack||

  • Mary Stack||

  • ||

    LOL

  • REGISTER REASONOIDS NOW!||

    come on, merit munchers, do it, like Ceasar did Joseph and Mary

  • Fascism has merit.||

    Ludwig von Mises told me so, in his tome against Liberalism.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Offtopic: Game of Thrones. Today. 9PM.

    Niiiiice.

  • A Serious Man||

    Let's comparing current politicians to game of thrones characters.

    Who would Ron Paul, Santorum, Romney, Obama, and Gingrich be?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Ron Paul: Ned Stark

    Santo: High Septon Sparrow

    Romney and Gingrich are tougher to pick; Romney as Tywin, maybe (money and perceived pragmatism but nonetheless unpopular). Gingrich... Littlefinger, maybe (behind the scenes maneuvering as a lobbyist, owns brothels :) ).

    Hmm.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Here's a question for the Game of Thrones fans out there:

    Which is the most libertarian faction and character portrayed in the series, and why?

  • ||

    None, they all perpetuate feudalism.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Do they? I was under the impression that the Braavosi were organized more like a city-state or a freehold without slavery or serfdom; ditto some of the other regions.

    With the caveat that none are truly libertarian, which one is "most" libertarian?

  • ||

    I guess Bravos would be the most libertarian faction/city, simply because they are anti-slavery and tolerant of all religions. But the city is ruled by a monarch, the Sealord.

  • HI HELLER!!!!||

    WHY'D YOU TAKE YOUR PHOTOS DOWN GUY!!!

    LOL.

  • Mary Stack||

    You ruined all of my fun. Do you know long it took me to create that rather blog?

  • ||

    Aw, what's the matter Mary? Still can't find my page?

  • I found it last night||

    That's why you took the photos down after you panicked for an hour.

    The thread is there for everyone to read.

    Save the protests.

  • Why you mad bro?||

    At heller if you are not mary stack. Face it, we know you are fat stupid bitch in Texas.

  • HI HELLER!||

  • Mary Stack||

    ^not me, but LOL!!!

  • HI HELLER!||

  • ||

    Why you mad bro?
    you are fat stupid bitch in Texas.

    The more relevant question, I think, is why are you so mad that you can't even type properly?

  • Not Mary Stack||

    Actually that was me that said fat stupid bitch in Texas, not the other not me.

  • By the way||

    A Laurie Kleinmann-Heller said she'll take care of it.

    You will of course, deny you even know her, but strangely, she knows you very well.

    Have a NICE day.

  • Not Mary Stack||

    Jormudely Heller III says he's going to get you in trouble heller!

    Hahaha I win!

    ^not me, but congratulations Mary

  • HI HELLER!||

    Heller, you're claiming the email address you responded to, which is listed at brandeis.edu, and is linked to the facebook page, isn't you.

    I really can't believe you're still at this.

  • Mary Stack||

    ^not me, but LOL!!!

    You got him he is so scared

    ^not me, yeah go Mary go!

  • HI HELLER!||

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Most libertarian? Tough call in a decidedly feudal setting. Probably Braavos as they have outlawed slavery, allow the worship of all gods, prostitution is a reputable profession, and Braavos gets most of its wealth through trade and finance.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Ron Paul: Ned Stark (w/ head)

    Rick Santorum: Ser Bonifer Hasty, Leader of the Holy Hundred (a man with more piety than ability)

    Mitt Romney: Harys Swyft (competent enough, but if ever a man deserved his arms, it is Ser Harys/Mitt [a chicken].)

    Barack Obama: Joffrey Baratheon.

    Newt Gingrich: Mace Tyrell (The Lord Oaf of Highgarden.)

  • i||

    Ron Paul is Hodor. Says the same thing over and over. Has the same chance of becoming pres/king.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    If [redacted] wargs Hodor permanently, those chances might increase.

  • Suki||

    why libertarians oppose a single payer system in health-care but cheer it in education
    He never heard of the libertarian opponents to gun schools?

  • Concerned Citizen||

    Isn't it one of communism's aims to gain control of the schools?

  • Suki||

    Schools, media, etc. But I was talking about that significant portion of libertarians that there should be no government schools, the opposite of "cheering" a single-payer school system.

  • Mary Stack||

    I will be shitting on this lawn soon.

  • shut the fuck up||

    God damn it, what the fuck man?

    It's bad enough when idiots like you aren't antagonizing it John, why can't you just shut the fuck up?

  • Mary Stack||

    Told you.

  • shut the fuck up||

    jesus christ...

  • Mary Stack||

    Let me shit a little more.

  • Registration||

    Stop us before we fling feces again!

  • Mary Stack||

    Excuse me while I pee on your bush.

  • LEAVE MARY STACK ALONE||

    LEAVE MARY STACK ALONE

  • Mary Stack||

    ^not me, but awesome

  • Not Mary Stack||

    ^not me, but awesome

    LOL!!!

  • Not Mary Stack||

    Let shit in car window, but it is not me doing it. It is the voices in my head.

  • ||

    "Mary" seems to have won.
    Does that make you crazy or what?

    Discuss.

  • Mary Stack dominates Reason||

    Out-competes the self-styled uber-competitors.

    MARKET WIN!

  • Mary Stack||

    It is so easy to dominate when you are insane.

  • Not Mary Stack||

    ^not me, but I agree

    That dude's awesome LOL!!!

  • ||

    Does that make you crazy or what?

    Why not both?

  • Mary Stack||

    ^not me

    LOL!!!

  • ||

    not me

    "Me."
    Such an old-fashioned concept!

  • Typical Liberal||

    We rail against perceived monopolies in the free market and the unfair burden this places on the consumer. However our solution is always the same, a government monopoly of the broken market. Because replacing a flat tire with a flat spare solves the problem!

  • Suki||

    Maobama told you that keeping those tires inflated properly was the key to energy self-sufficiency.

  • Typical Libertarian||

    We rail against statism. However our solution is always the same to reform agricultural city-Statism (civilization) -- our totally unproven, never-tried, "unknown ideal" kind of statism.

    Because replacing a flat tire with a flat spare solves the problem!

    P.S. If you disagree with our unknown ideal statism, you're a statist.

  • FREE STATIST PROJECT||

    OUR FREE STATISM IS SUPER SPECIAL

  • White Indian Loves Little Boys||

  • Fibertard can't stand critique||

    ...of their retarded political philosophy.

  • Mary Stack||

    So I come shit on their threads and post the same obsessive nonsense over and over again. The mentally ill do that. This is why my children won't speak to me anymore.

  • you post obsessive nonsense||

    I just counter the nonsense.

  • Mary Stack||

    I am insane and think everyone is out to get me.

  • ||

    I am insane

    My inability to ignore the trolls proves it!

  • Mary Stack||

    ^not me

    Troll? LOL!!!

  • ||

    My inability to ignore the trolls proves it!

  • Brother Grimm||

    "I just counter the nonsense."

    You sure about that? How's it working so far?

  • White Indian Loves the Taste||

    of feces

  • Jeffersonian||

    So go squat in a cave, douchebag.

  • Jefferson = City-STATIST||

    “Cave man” and ‘Neanderthal’ are still invoked to remind us where we would be without religion, government, and toil.

    This ideological view of our past has been radically overturned in recent decades, through the work of academics like Richard Lee and Marshall Sahlins. A nearly complete reversal in anthropological orthodoxy has come about, with important implications.

    ~ John Zerzan
    Future Primitive
    www.primitivism.com/future-primitive.htm

  • Mary Stack||

    Let me post some more of the same pseudo academic bullshit I always post. The same four or five quotes that prove nothing other than the fact that I am an obsessive nutcase.

  • John Zerzan approves of murder||

    One wouldn't buy in
    by John Zerzan

    I see in the eyes of Ted Kaczynski a sorrow reflecting what we have lost. A profound magnitude of loss, consisting of growing personal desolation, the disappearance of community, destruction of the natural world. It really is this devastating, and getting worse by the day.

    Kaczynski's betrayal (and of course his "guilt" is unproved) at the hands of his own brother reminds us that pacifism, in its smug cowardice, is always, at base, the defender of what is.

    But the Megamachine has not yet eradicated all resistance, all capacity to think against the grain of the techno-nightmare. And at the very least we have seen the courage and honor of one who would not buy into this fraudulent society, who fought the Brave New World with pen and sword.

    And so does White Indian.

  • Fibertard gonna FIB, all day.||

    Objection 5. Primitivists are genocidal maniacs whose planned “utopia” requires them to orchestrate the mass murder of 99% of the human population!

    I’ve saved the best for last. This is the single most common, and the single most powerful attack launched against primitivists by the progressivist camp....

    5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They’re Wrong
    by Jason Godesky | 26 October 2005
    http://www.rewild.info/anthrop.....yre-wrong/

  • White Indian Loves the Taste||

    of his own pubes.

  • White Indian Fails||

    To post more because he's a lying fuckwit:

    Ultimately, genocide might be the kindest method, just as it is kind to deliver a coup de grace to a dying animal.
    by Jason Godesky
  • Libertard Fails||

    "It would be just as wrong to force them to choose life as it was for Kaczinski to force others to die." ~Jason Godesky

    5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They’re Wrong
    by Jason Godesky | 26 October 2005
    http://www.rewild.info/anthrop.....yre-wrong/

  • Jason Godesky||

    Is a religious fanatic:

    he committed the ultimate sin, the sin of civilization itself.

    5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They’re Wrong
    by Jason Godesky | 26 October 2005

    Gaia must be appeased! Push a virgin into the volcano!

  • REDEMPTIVE CITY STATISM||

    Man lived in caves and was sinful until agricultural city-Statism provided salvation!

    MARKET MUST BE APPEASED. KILL ALL THE NON-STATE FAMILIES!

    "[The Native Americans] didn't have any rights to the land ... Any white person who brought the element of civilization had the right to take over this continent." ~Ayn Rand, US Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974

  • HI HELLER!||

  • White Indian is a Racist||

    The white man did not conquer this country. And you're a racist if you object, because it means you believe that certain men are entitled to something because of their race. You believe that if someone is born in a magnificent country and doesn't know what to do with it, he still has a property right to it. He does not. Since the Indians did not have the concept of property or property rights--they didn't have a settled society, they had predominantly nomadic tribal "cultures"--they didn't have rights to the land, and there was no reason for anyone to grant them rights that they had not conceived of and were not using.

    -Ayn Rand

  • White RIGHT TO TAKE||

    "[The Native Americans] didn't have any rights to the land ... Any white person who brought the element of civilization had THE RIGHT TO TAKE over this continent."

    ~Ayn Rand, US Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974

  • Jeffersonian||

    One has to shudder at what this OCD-addled cretin would do given the levers of power for even a single day. What would come of someone who tried to use a simple machine, plant one too many edible plants or, God forfend, use a computer.

    IOW, what happens when no one else wants to live like a goddamn caveman?

  • Jefferson = Frustrated STATIST||

    Admit it, you're a shitstain STATIST, Jeffersonian.

  • Jason Godesky||

    Hurry up and genocide him, White Indian. It would be a kindness:

    Ultimately, genocide might be the kindest method, just as it is kind to deliver a coup de grace to a dying animal.

    5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They’re Wrong
    by Jason Godesky | 26 October 2005
  • the WHITE RIGHT to TAKE||

    "[The Native Americans] didn't have any rights to the land ... Any white person who brought the element of civilization had the right to take over this continent." ~Ayn Rand, US Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974

  • The FAT RIGHT to GAMBOL||

    The white man did not conquer this country. And you're a racist if you object, because it means you believe that certain men are entitled to something because of their race. You believe that if someone is born in a magnificent country and doesn't know what to do with it, he still has a property right to it. He does not. Since the Indians did not have the concept of property or property rights--they didn't have a settled society, they had predominantly nomadic tribal "cultures"--they didn't have rights to the land, and there was no reason for anyone to grant them rights that they had not conceived of and were not using.
    -Ayn Rand

  • Jeffersonian||

    I'm right and you know it, psycho.

  • Robert Anton Wilson||

    ONLY THE MADMAN IS ABSOLUTELY SURE. ~Robert Anton Wilson

  • Jeffersonian||

    Didn't he write that using an alphabet you eschew on paper you revile with a copyright you do not believe in?

  • Did I mention copyright?||

    LOL

    F1Bertard typical.

  • White Imbecile||

    I hate civilization, but we would have copyrights in my primitardopia.

  • White Autistic Libertarian||

    I hate statism, but we need statism to protect our agricultural city-Statist rights.

  • J||

    The fact that Mary doesn't realize that her worldview (if she even believes it), requires force just as much as her railings against the city-state. Even if we were to hit the reset button tomorrow and we were all gamboling across the world, the minute someone domesticates a plant or animal, the cycle starts all over again. So how would she claim to prevent that?

  • Jeffersonian||

    So go live it, fuckstick, and shit in your own nest for a change. I'm quite content with modernity.

  • Jefferson = AgCitySTATIST||

    Jefferson shat all over North America, helping murder 100,000,000.

    American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World
    by David Stannard
    Oxford University Press (1992)

    While conceding that the majority of the indigenous peoples fell victim to the ravages of European disease, he estimates that almost 100 million died in what he calls the American Holocaust.

    Jefferson's Indian removal policy
    Here are some of the uncomfortable facts conservatives want to erase from children's textbooks
    http://newspaperrock.bluecornc.....olicy.html

  • Jason Godesky||

    Genocide is Kindness.

    Ultimately, genocide might be the kindest method, just as it is kind to deliver a coup de grace to a dying animal.

    5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They’re Wrong
    by Jason Godesky | 26 October 2005
  • Libertard Fails||

    "It would be just as wrong to force them to choose life as it was for Kaczinski to force others to die." ~Jason Godesky

    5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They’re Wrong
    by Jason Godesky | 26 October 2005
    www.rewild.info/anthropik/2005.....yre-wrong/

  • Jason Godesky||

    Is a religious fanatic:

    he committed the ultimate sin, the sin of civilization itself.

    5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They’re Wrong
    by Jason Godesky | 26 October 2005

    Civilization is a sin! Find some virgins for the volcanoes!

  • Jeffersonian||

    You've posted that bullshit before, I've set you straight before and you persist in spreading falsehood about Jefferson.

    Note to the clueless Indians: When you ally yourself with America's enemies and murder its citizens, don't be surprised when someone shoots back. And, after you do it a few times despite every attempt to reach a peaceful coexistence, someone concludes there will never be such and that it means either him or you.

  • Jeffersonian BULLSHIT||

    you lied, Jeffersonian, and I set you straight, shitstain.

  • Jeffersonian||

    you lied, Jeffersonian, and I set you straight, shitstain.

    I "lied" by supplying the words you excised in ellipses, plus others surrounding the deceptively-cribbed quotes you pulled. That added verbiage completely eviscerated your argument, as it showed that Jefferson's antipathy toward Indians as being, not racist, but a reluctant conclusion based on years of injury and betrayal on the part of the Indians.

    So, I repeat, if you want to live a primitive existent, knock yourself out. My prediction: You won't last a week.

  • ||

    This is like the worst debate club ever.

  • STOP RESISTING, REDMAN!!!!||

    but you lied, and I quoted Jefferson's DoI for you, and then you just went batshit crazy when I proved your lies wrong.

    You want the right to take and shit all over people you think are subhuman, and you'll lie about them to get what you want to take.

    JUST LIKE A FASCIST PIG COP.

    "...the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."

    "Where's a camcorder when you need one?" ~The Mask

  • Bullycide Mary Stack||

    You want the right to take and shit all over people you think are subhuman, and you'll lie about them to get what you want to take.

    You ARE subhuman, primitard--that's why your obese self can't handle a day without fellating a box of Little Debbie snackcakes.

  • Joseph Heller's Catch-22||

    Report "heller's" antisocial behavior to abuse@brandeis.edu

    Also, "heller" claims to be a microbiologist. Maybe these gals know who it is...

    Susan Lovett
    Abraham S. and Gertrude Burg Professor of Microbiology
    Email: lovett@brandeis.edu
    Phone: 781-736-2497
    Office: Rosenstiel, 337

    Joan Press, Ph.D.
    Associate Professor of Biology
    Email: press@brandeis.edu
    Telephone 781-736-2450 (Office)
    Office Rosenstiel 511

    White Indian|8.16.11 @ 9:52PM|#
    ...you're the microbiologist who thought nuclear weapons were one of...

    heller|8.16.11 @ 10:26PM|#
    ...I was referring to...
  • But I am not Mary Stack||

    I am just infuriated at being outted as Mary Stack because I just am. I am not being obvious here. Really I am not.

  • abuse@brandeis.edu||

  • ||

    Hey!

  • Mary Stack||

    I am going to get you Heller. Of course Brandeis has already told me to stop calling them. But I am going to get you. I hate you for outing me as the ugly, fat pathetic loser I am.

  • Not Mary Stack||

    ^not me, but LOL!!!

  • Not Not Mary Stack||

    But I'm not Mary Stack

    LEAVE MARY STACK ALONE

    Mary Stack is so hot

    But it's not me.

    LOL!!!

  • Why you mad bro?||

    Why you so mad bro? You are not Mary Stack right?

  • Not Crazy Mary Stack||

    You are not Mary Stack right?

    Yes I'm not am

    LOL!!!

  • HI HELLER!||

    Jesus christ dude, you look like you're having a break down.

  • Mary Stack||

    ^not me, but so right!!!

    LOL!!!

  • HI HELLER!||

  • HI HELLER!||

    I'm not Mary Stack either guys. Just passing through.

    LOL!!!

  • HI HELLER!||

  • HI HELLER!||

    Heller kills babies just look at his facebook page

    LOL!!!

  • ||

    Wazzzzuuuuup?!

  • Mary Stack||

    Told you I would be shitting on this lawn. This is what I do. And fuck you Heller for knowing who I am.

  • Not Mary Stack||

    ^not me, but so right!!!

    LOL!!!

  • HI HELLER!||

  • HI HELLER!||

    ^not me, not Mary Stack, not never

  • Monkey Logic||

    I FLING SHIT, THEREFOR I AM

  • me so libertarian||

    can't get votes, must act out

  • shrike||

    I have a question for White Indian and his followers. Under your interpretation of land ownership through use, would a man have to constantly live on his land in order to maintain a claim to it? What if he wanted to go a center of population in order to trade his surplus for something he needs in order to more effectively harness the resources of his land? Surely you recognize that this transaction creates wealth and if the man could not be assured that he could leave his land without it being taken by somebody else then he would have to devout resources to guarding his land that could have better been put to use trading with other men in order to get what he needs and therefore create wealth?

  • Jeffersonian||

    If this is the real shrike, this is the most sensible thing I think you've ever posted.

  • R||

    Compared to White Idiot, shriek is a fucking genius. Which isn't saying much.

  • J||

    WI/Mary also fails to acknowledge the American Indian civilizations that were in place here for centuries prior to the arrival of the white man. Oh, and they enslaved other Indians too.

  • Brian||

    Too bad the world's top public school systems are in places with nationalized, public schools systems with high funding like Finland, Sweden, and South Korea.

  • shrike||

    Don't the scandinavian countries have a large school choice program?

  • BRIAN||

    SSSSHHHH!

  • Teachers' Unions||

    We are working on that. We just haven't organized in those places yet. But don't worry, when we do, they will suck just as bad as Detroit.

  • Brian||

    They're all heavily unionized. South Korean unions are notoriously militant, actually.

  • Brian||

    And the states with the top school systems are all in unionized states, with the exception of Virginia. Ex. heavily unionized Maryland is #1.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html

    I'll let you figure out where those right-to-work paradises such as Mississippi and Alabama rank.

  • Teacher's Unions||

    And places like Detroit and Washington DC where unions are also strong and spending is the highest in the world.

    Yeah, we really are the friend of the student. That is why the NY public schools were once the envy of the world and are now some of the worst in the world.

  • HI HELLER!||

  • Brian||

    NY state public schools is *still* one of the top public school systems in the country.

    I wonder where Mississippi ranks?

  • Teachers' Union||

    No it is not. And Mississippi is a lot better than Detroit or Washington DC.

    Face it Brian, your ideology destroys everything it touches.

  • Brian||

    You want to compare D.C. schools to New Orleans public schools? Let's do apples-to-apples. Compare a poor, inner city school system in a unionized state to one in a right-to-work state. Or compare right-to-work states over all to unionized states.

  • Teacher's Union||

    Compare Dallas and Houston schools to Detroit and DC. And come back and talk to me.

  • Brian||

    Texas consistently ranks near the bottom in every measure whether it's childhood illiteracy, test scores, or classroom size. Texas schools are a joke.

  • Tim||

    As long as we're also discussing the metrics used to compare them too.

  • Brian||

    And I'd really, really like you to explain why Maryland public schools is the top system in the country, closely followed behind by New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Illinois, year after year after year. The only right to work state that is ever in the top 10 is Virginia.

  • Teachers' Union||

    Because Maryland has Montgomery country full of rich people? And New Jersey has places like Princeton and the NY Suburbs that are the same?

    Tries moar harder Brian.

  • Brian||

    There aren't any rich people in Texas? Yet it's still in the toilet in terms of state rankings.

  • Teacher's Union||

    Apples to Apples. Lets see Maryland take in as many Hispanic immigrants as Texas does. And the rich districts of Texas are not in the toilet.

    Texas is a victim of its economic success. Places like Maryland offer few economic prospects for people who dn't work for the government. Thus they attract few immigrants and have higher rankings.

  • Brian||

    You don't think New Jersey and New York and Illinois has immigrants?

    Bwahahahahahahahah!

  • Teacher's Union||

    Not to the extent that Texas does. Not even close. Have you looked at the unemployment rate in those states? Why would anyone ever go there?

  • Tim||

    You don't think New Jersey and New York and Illinois has immigrants?

    Compared to Texas?

    Bwahahahahahahahah!
  • Brian||

    20% of New Jersey is foreign-born compared to 16% in Texas, as per the census. So try again, Timmeh.

  • Brian||

    Montgomery county is nearly 20% hispanic, and no doubt the school age population is higher due to white people being older than the general population (whites are now a minority of births and have been for several years).

  • Tim||

    Montgomery county is nearly 20% hispanic

    Which wouldn't even touch the percentage in most of the border counties in Texas.

    You said apples to apples, this is where you admit your comparison is flawed.

  • Brian||

    But hey, John, they took Thomas Jefferson out of Texas high school history books so they could focus on such luminaries as Phillis Schafely. I'm sure that will fix their rankings!

  • Tim||

    But hey, John, they took Thomas Jefferson out of Texas high school history books so they could focus on such luminaries as Phillis Schafely. I'm sure that will fix their rankings!

    What's the point of this?

    We were having a genuinely interesting discussion and then you troll.

  • Teacher's Union||

    Brian is Mary Stack. She just knows everyone is John.

  • Brian||

    I'm continuing this at the bottom of the thread.

  • ||

    More metropolitan areas draw smarter parents and smarter teachers, IMO.

  • ||

    LOL@ state-wide, public school testing scores being used as a metric.

  • 3rd place is you're fired||

    The fuck do I care about rankings?

  • HI HELLER!||

  • HI HELLER!||

  • HI HELLER!||

  • Sevo||

    Brian|4.1.12 @ 5:38PM|#
    "And the states with the top school systems are all in unionized states,.."

    Like CA?

  • Teacher's Union||

    Brian is Mary Stack. Just her way of shitting on the thread.

  • Sidd Finch||

    heavily unionized Maryland is #1.

    http://nces.ed.gov/nationsrepo.....within,0,2

    This is the 2009 8th grade NAEP science scores for whites and hispanics. Texas beats Maryland for both groups. I picked 8th grade science at random; maybe it's different for other tests, but Maryland certainly isn't the highest performing state.

  • VG Zaystev||

    Maybe he meant highest teacher pay and easiest work load.

  • Jeffersonian||

    All of which spend less that us per pupil.

    Maybe it isn't money?

  • HI HELLER!||

  • Sidd Finch||

    Non-Hispanic white Americans outscore native Swedes by 19 points on the PISA.

    The US spends more per student than every country except Luxembourg.

    http://super-economy.blogspot......s-usa.html

  • wareagle||

    the US also has groups of students who simply do not exist in ANY of the European or Asian countries. Pointing that out is probably racist.

  • Amakudari||

    Um, the US spends more as a percentage of GDP than most of Europe. Plus we have our own experience where simply spending more has not resulted in increased outcomes. It's not an issue of money, at least not without addressing teacher standards (we currently draw from lower-performing graduates) or school choice.

    Also, if you want unions to think about, the Japanese government broke the back of its teachers unions. They are forbidden to strike. When they did, they received no wages for hours striking, had their bonuses cut and received further penalties. The majority of those who attend high school (and almost everyone attends and graduates high school) go to private school. Better outcomes there, too.

  • HI HELLER!||

    No it's heller. Look he denies using his email for a facebook page that I am not Mary Stack because LEAVE HER ALONE!!!

  • HI HELLER!||

  • Mary Stack||

    I just get angry at heller for outing me for fun.

    We know who you are honey. And I think some of us may go out and meet you some day. Wouldn't it be great to meet in person and hash this all out?

  • HI HELLER!||

  • HI HELLER!||

    THAT'S NOT HELLER I'M HELLER NOT HELLER ME HELLER

  • Mary Stack||

    If I just yell Heller. Maybe no one will notice. When the reasonites start calling me and visiting my house to say hello, I can claim it wasn't me.

  • HI HELLER!||

  • HI HELLER!||

    ^NOT ME ASSHOLES I'M REPORTING YOU

    I'm Mary Stack, not Mary Stack

  • HI HELLER!||

  • HI HELLER!||

  • HI HELLER!||

  • Mary Stack||

    I am not Mary Stack but I panic when her contact infor is posted. What am I going to do when people start calling me and showing up at my house?

  • HI HELLER!!||

  • HI HELLER!!||

  • You sure it is not John||

    AHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • HI HELLER!||

  • ||

    Did someone say my name?

  • Nope||

    And it's not your facebook or email either.

    LOL.

  • HI HELLER!||

  • abuse@brandeis.edu||

  • ||

    Remember when certain anonymous chat room stalwarts were scandalized by accusations from certain anonymous troublemakers that Hit & Run was nothing more than a chat room for depressed, frustrated and angry anarcho-libertarian narcissists?

    [sigh]

    Good times...

  • ||

    LOL

  • Brian||

    Foreign born population

    New Jersey: 20%

    New York State: 21%

    Texas: 16%

  • Brian||

    Maryland: 13%

    I guess that extra 3% is the difference between the top system in the country and the bottom of the barrel.

  • Teachers' Union||

    Texas is a much larger state. That three percent is a huge number. And again, not all foreign born populations are the same.

    Look Mary, I am sorry you live in Texas and everyone hates you. But you could live anywhere and everyone would hate you. That is because you are a paranoid nut

  • Brian||

    And again, not all foreign born populations are the same.

    Ohhhh? Are the Central Americans in Montgomery County that much more intelligent than the Mexicans on the border? Are we into eugenics now?

  • Sidd Finch||

    http://nces.ed.gov/nationsrepo.....within,0,2

    This is the 2009 8th grade NAEP science scores for whites and hispanics. Texas beats Maryland for both groups. I picked 8th grade science at random; maybe it's different for other tests, but Maryland certainly isn't the highest performing state.

  • Sidd Finch||

  • Tim||

    Linky?

  • Brian||

    I'm not your personal google assistant. Go type in the name of the state, "quick facts" and "2010 census" in google.

  • Tim||

    I'm not your personal google assistant. Go type in the name of the state, "quick facts" and "2010 census" in google.

    So you don't have one. Got it.

  • Brian||

    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36000.html

    Thats the one for NY. Select any other state you want from the drop down bar.

  • Teachers' Union||

    Not all foreign born populations are created equal. Try again.

  • Brian||

    Not all foreign born populations are created equal.

    Ohhhh?

  • ||

    Arabic/asian/indian students > black/hispanic students

  • R||

    Yeah, I'll just bet all the illegal immigrants in Texas filled out the census forms. Or, you know, not, because then it'd be easier to find and deport them.

    There's a reason they call them "undocumented".

    My guess is Texas, in reality, has more than few points on NY or NJ.

  • Tim||

    http://www.statemaster.com/gra.....immigrants


    Rank States Amount
    # 1 California:2,209,000
    # 2 Texas:1,041,000
    # 3 New York:489,000

  • Brian||

    You're seriously going to argue the percentage doesn't matter because the raw numbers are greater? Are you in high school?

  • Teachers' Union||

    Of course the raw numbers mean more than the percentages.

  • Tim||

    You're seriously going to argue the percentage doesn't matter because the raw numbers are greater?

    I didn't argue anything, I posted a link and data.

    You posted nothing.

  • Tim||

    And what I was ACTUALLY doing there was pointing out that your stat didn't account for illegal immigrants.

  • Brian||

    The Census counts everybody. Legal status is not taken into account.

  • Tim||

    The Census counts everybody.

    Who lets themselves be counted.

    Still waiting on that link guy.

  • Brian||

    I gave it to you below.

  • Tim||

    There are 6 posts below this one and none of them have any links.

  • Tim||

    And just so you know, Puerto Ricans are counted as foreign born.

    Which state has more, New York or Texas?

    Face it, you are out of your depth.

  • Brian||

    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36000.html

    Use the drop-down bar to choose a state.

  • Tim||

    How about I just go fuck my wife instead?

    Because you seem to have no idea what the stats you're using actually mean, and think acting like a dick is constructive.

    Your stats have been stipulated, and you're still wrong.

    Think about that.

  • LOL||

    It is White Indian trolling you Tim.

    It is Mary Stack. She is just shitting on every thread. She is posting as "Brian" now. Ignore her.

  • Teachers' Union||

    So Texas has three times the number that NY does. Don't confuse Mary with facts. It makes her angry.

  • Brian||

    Texas also has *more people* period. It's percentages that matter.

  • Tim||

    It's percentages that matter.

    They both matter.

    DUCY?

  • Brian||

    In fact states with the lowest numbers of foreign-born people include such intellectual powerhouses as West Virginia.

  • Tim||

    What's the point of being a dick?

  • Keith Olbermann||

    Worked for me until those ungrateful fucks at MSNBC and Current fired my ass for no good goddamn reason... after all, I *am* fucking brilliant.

  • Tim||

    for no good goddamn reason

    I bet he believes that, he probably honestly thinks being a dick is not a problem.

  • Sean Hannity||

    My millions of listeners and viewers agree... being a dick for a living is cool.

  • Mary Stack||

    I don't have millions of listeners.

  • Sidd Finch||

    http://nces.ed.gov/nationsrepo.....within,0,2

    This is the 2009 8th grade NAEP science scores for whites and hispanics. Texas beats Maryland for both groups. I picked 8th grade science at random; maybe it's different for other tests, but Maryland certainly isn't the highest performing state.

  • shrike||

    Okay guys I think it is time to get serious and talk about the issues on here. I mean as fun as it may be to accuse every single commenter of being Mary Stack I think we need to realize that ultimately all we do when we attempt to attack various trolls is to feed them and cause them to grow stronger. Instead we should adopt a two fold approach. First, we should attempt to rationally debate any troll that bears even a passing replace to an ideologue of a coherent ideological movement, i.e. White Indian, MNG, Tony. While this may seem pointless and indeed its is if one intends to actually win to convince these commenter’s that they are wrong, it does serve the purpose of revealing that there is no merit to their viewpoints to all impartial observers and will prevent any impressionable, idealist young ideologues from being dragged into his absurd world view.

  • shrike||

    (cont.)

    However any troll that makes no clear political of philosophical point and cannot be debated, i.e. rather, Mary Stack, must simply be ignored to avoid their deranged screaming from cluttering up this thread and diluting the intelligence of the overall blog. I believe that if we implement both of these polices that although insanity may not be eliminated from the comment threads, we may be able to mitigate its worst excesses.

  • ||

    LOL

  • Mary Stack||

    I pretend to be someone else, so people won't know it was me. That above was me.

    It is not that I am stupid, well I am. It is that I think the people who comment are so stupid that I can say anything.

  • LOL||

    White Indian, a coherent philosophical system? good one Mary.

    Fuck up you stupid bitch. No one is buying it. You are getting really desperate aren't you?

  • shrike||

    Forgive me for my poor usage of words, when I said coherent I did not mean that it wasn't riddled with contradictions or insane. I meant that it actually had core beliefs and isn't just designed to annoy other posters i.e. Mary Stack.

  • LOL||

    It is completely designed to annoy other posters. She posts the same shit on every thread regardless of the topic.

    We know what you do Mary.

  • shrike||

    She? Sorry are we talking about White Indian here or rather? While they may be the same person, this Mary Stack as you call her, they are different characters and therefore we should treat them differently.

  • LOL||

    They are all the same person. You. Most of this thread is her talking to herself.

    But this is what happens when you don't protect your property via registration.

  • shrike||

    Yeah dude that's right your the only person on reason who isn't Mary Stack.

  • ||

    John Stossel on the Successes of Freedom in Education

    I got nothin'.

    Say...what's all this about Reason's alleged plan to register commentators in order to combat their (the commentators') inability to behave sensibly and respectfully in an open forum, free from onerous governmental controls, in the spirit of joyous, Summer-of-Love hippie anarchy?

    Rumor or fact?

    Dudes! Discuss.*

     

    *Non-Mary Stack rebuttals will be ignored

  • Mary Stack||

    And it is really going to make me sad the day they have registration and I am banned and I can no longer shit all over this place.

    And fuck you heller.

  • Brandeis sensitvity police||

    fuck you heller

    We will.

  • LOL||

    Nothing will happen to Heller Mary. Stop kidding yourself. He fucked you. Just relax and enjoy it bitch.

  • HI HELLER!||

    bitch.

    And if you're not scared why are you so mad?

  • LOL||

    Why are you so mad if you are not Mary Stack.

    And how do you even know this is heller you stupid fucking cunt.

  • Tim||

    And if you're not scared why are you so mad?

  • LOL||

    Fuck you you stupid fucking cuntbag whore, I'm not fucking heller you dumb bitch

  • HI HELLER!||

    Damn, you're mad Josh.

  • Tim||

    Brian, can I ask you not to do this? Will it matter? You're pissed that I disagreed, fine, but please don't spoof me.

  • LOL||

    fuck you cunt

  • HI HELLER!||

    Wow, you're really pissed Josh.

  • ||

    LOL

  • calm down heller||

  • HI HELLER!||

    Nothing will happen to Heller

    So why are you wigging out Josh?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Game of Thrones Alert

    I will brook no spoilers without prior warning. I may not be able to watch it realtime.

    The Knights of the DVR Watch has spoken.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Will you brook book spoilers, Ser Fist the Inebriated?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    What is this thing "book" of which you speak?

    NO SPOILERS. Hit & Run commenters are held to a higher standard than regular internet dreck. We remain unsinged by the fires of flame wars that burn other blog comment sections. More importantly, we do not spoil one another, which is the lowest of the low. We are not savages. Anyway I think I will be watching it realtime, so get ready to dish liveblog style!

  • Not Savages||

    Savage simply means dweller of the forest (silva.)

    No, you're not a savage. You're an agricultural city-Statist domesticated monkey in manpants.

  • ||

    Any questions?

  • ||

    I have one!

    Why did this anarcho-libertarian chat room fail, Sensei?

  • Mary Stack||

    Because I come and post obsessive nonsense every day. That is what I do. I am a nut. I don't have a job. I live on disability. And all I have to do is rave on this blog.

  • ||

    I absolutely can't wait for the day I click over to this site and see that comment registration has kicked in.

    Some of you seriously need to get a life. That includes some of you idiotic forum "regulars" who think this place is your playground. YOU'RE the ones who have amped this stuff up to 11. It's pathetic.

  • ||

    Why did this anarcho-libertarian chat room fail, Sensei?

    Ah, Grasshopper, your question contains the answer. Look within!

  • Mary Stack||

    See by posting nonsense and shitting all over the board every day, I proved that libertarians can't have a site. Aren't I smart?

  • LOL||

    You are really angry about registration aren't you? Almost as angry as you are at Heller for outing you as Mary Stack.

  • calm down heller||

  • ||

    your question contains the answer

    But Sensei, anarcho-libertarianism produces chat-room threads of nonsense, perpetuated by anarcho-libertarians who purport to combat narcissistic, carpet-bombing blog-commentary by disseminating narcissistic, carpet-bombing blog-commentary. What to do?

  • ||

    What to do?

    Make fun of them. Obviously.

    Any other questions?

  • ||

    You are wise, Sensei!

    OK, this is not technically a question.

  • ||

    That's OK. I'm not technically a Sensei.

  • ||

    LOL

  • NOT Mary Stack||

    ^not me, but LOL!!!

  • calm down heller||

  • Sevo||

    "What to do?"
    Don't allow your property to be treated as a trash-bin. Not difficult.

  • Sevo||

    "Why did this anarcho-libertarian chat room fail, Sensei?"

    Because reason.com decided to allow its property to be treated as a commons.
    Visit a public 'restroom' at a random CA road-side rest area and compare that to, say, nearly any Mickey D's; a privately held property.
    Why reason.com chooses to allow the property to degrade is a mystery to me, but it's their property and if they choose to allow it to become a trash-bin, it's their choice.

  • Just Checking||

    Q: "Why did this anarcho-libertarian chat room fail, Sensei?"

    A: "Because reason.com decided to allow its property to be treated as a commons."

    So, Sevo...you concede the point that anarcho-libertarianism is a failure?

  • NOT Mary Stack||

    ^not me, but LOL!!! you got him so bad

  • Mary Stack||

    ^not me but LOL!!! I agree

  • calm down heller||

  • Sevo||

    "So, Sevo...you concede the point that anarcho-libertarianism is a failure?"

    ^?
    Worth.....................

  • Just Checking||

    Or do you still believe that, with a little tweaking, anarcho-libertarianism can still be a success?

  • NOT Mary Stack||

    I believe you should LEAVE MARY STACK ALONE

  • calm down heller||

  • Just Checking||

    Or do you still believe that, with a little tweaking, anarcho-libertarianism can still be a success?

    No, then?

  • ||

    I love coming back to a thread and seeing Mary flipping at people who aren't me.

  • ||

    ^NOT ME HELLER IS EVERYONE NOT ME WHO'S ON STACK NOW

  • ||

    I think you're confused Mary. That's my email address.

  • ||

    NO I'M NOT MARY I'M FACEBOOK LAURIE HELLER LEAVE HER ALONE LOL!!!

  • calm down heller||

  • Who do you think you're foolin||

    "I love coming back to a thread"

    lol

  • Mary Stack||

    ^not me

  • NOT Mary Stack||

    lol you can't leave that would mean you stopped paying attention to me and you can't stop paying attention to me because I'm not Mary Stack and Mary Stack is winning this thread which is paying attention to me

  • ||

    calm down heller

  • Mary Stack||

    I'm not Heller, I'm not Mary Stack, I'm just passing through

  • NOT Mary Stack||

    ^not me

  • calm down heller||

  • ||

    "I'm just passing through"

    So that makes reason the intestines?

  • Loki||

    I'll just leave this here.

    http://news.cnet.com/2010-1028-6022491.html

    Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."

    As near as I can tell this law hasn't been overturned or superseded, and has been on the book since 2006. Thought it might be relevant to some folks...

  • Sevo||

    "It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy.""

    Sounds worse than the problem is obviously doesn't solve.

  • ||

    this is an offshoot of the war on DV which i repeatedly have said is worse than the war on drugs. it's most likely unconstitutional as are many, if not most cyberstalking laws.

  • Sevo||

    Any law that outlaws 'annoyance' ain't gonna pass A-1 tests.
    I don't know the identities of the troll or trolls leaving scat on the weekend reason threads, but that issue is easily addressed if reason chooses to maintain its property.
    They know various methods of doing so, and most alternatives don't violate A-1 or libertarian principles, but so far they have chosen to allow the mess to continue.
    Hint to reason.com: If you're doing it to harvest click-pays, you're damaging your product.

  • LOL||

    Reason knows. They are going to put a stop to it. That is why she has gotten increasingly desperate. She knows the fun is about to end.

  • Sevo||

    LOL|4.1.12 @ 8:47PM|#
    "Reason knows. They are going to put a stop to it."

    Well, that would be very good news if it came from reason.com. Are you a reason.com representative?

  • LOL||

    No. but I have had e-mails with them about this problem. And they tell me registration is coming. Believe if you want. But that is what they tell me.

  • cry more heller||

  • Waiting for Registration||

    Hi John!

  • It isn't||

    "Thought it might be relevant to some folks..."

    Thought wrong, it's grossly unconstitutional apart from not being re-authorized yet.

    But you keep trying, you awesome satist censor you.

  • ||

    You seem to be attempting to annoy people with veiled threats.

    Are you suggesting that someone have you prosecuted under this law?

  • Mike M.||

    Hillary Clinton: "Assad must go."

    Oh well, that's the not so secret or hard to decipher catchphrase which means that our next war is going to be starting pretty soon!

  • ||

    Hillary is doing such a great job of not saying anything that will make a murderous dictator do something extreme.

  • ||

    Any other questions?*

     

    *rhetorical question
    noun
    a question asked solely to produce an effect or to make an assertion and not to elicit a reply

  • Crickets||

    No way, Sensei!

  • Almanian||

    Why was I not invited to this donor event? I'd have just attended, but a speaking role would be even better.

    Of course, what I really want to do is direct. But that's the [AGRI]cultural City [STATE]ist in me wanting to be in control....

    You all have a nice rest of the weekend! Even Whyte Injun and Mung!

  • ||

    So...are your loins girded for the coming Registratiopocalypse?

    How will you cheat your employer?

    How will you cheat your wife/partner/butt-buddy?

    Discuss.

  • Just Checking||

    No way, Sensei!

  • shrike||

    Attention all reasonites, you are now entering a gambol free zone. Any primtards seen posting from this point on will be banned on sight.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Glad to see the weekend threads are as much fun as ever. But I notice something amiss.

    This thread seems a bit light. It should at least be pushing 600 comments.

    White Indian/Jason Godesky/rather/Mary Stack/any other fucking jabronis who grief with one hand and fap with the other, need to step their game up and get this thread on track.

  • LOL||

    She is angry that registration is coming. Most of the posts on this thread are her talking to herself. It is just fucking unbelievable.

  • cry more heller||

    "Most of the posts on this thread are her talking to herself. "

    And most of the rest are yours.

  • ||

    If I spend my 18 minutes of free time in an anarcho-libertarian chat room, e.g., when I'm home on the computer and the wife and wife-spawn are unreasonably yelping and complaining and demanding access to my Reason-time, is this technically "cheating?" May I kill them? Is this a violation of the NAP?

    Thx.

  • Sevo||

    Your question reflects your stupidity.
    You're welcome.

  • LOL||

    Jesus Christ Mary, can't you just post as White Indian?

    My God you are pathetic. "I made reason look bad by posting hundreds of posts talking to myself with the same nonsense. Now I will troll pretending to be someone appalled by it".

    Jesus fucking Christ, get some help. And stop pretending we don't know who you are.

  • Sevo||

    "And stop pretending we don't know who you are."

    Uh, who is "we"?

  • LOL||

    Anyone who read the threads where Heller figured out who she was.

  • you mean you?||

    "where Heller"

    Cry more.

  • LOL||

    You have nothing left to say do you? And you don't even have the right voice talking in your head. Take a guess, which other tormentor could I be? Come on Mary, your prozac addled brain can probably figure it out.

  • ||

    Is this a violation of the NAP?

  • ||

    Thx.

  • ||

    PS- LOL

  • LOL||

    I want to hear about your daughter's Mary. And their father. And how you wound up in your 50s living alone dreaming of being a primitive.

  • LOL||

    Come on Mary. come down to the bottom of the thread, tell us about our great griefer. You know you want to.

  • Waiting for Registration||

    Hi John!

  • shrike||

    fuck

  • shrike||

    fuck

  • shrike||

    fuck

  • shrike||

    fuck

  • shrike||

    fuck

  • Mary Stack||

    Why am I jerking of a horse?

  • Bashar al Assad||

    Dear God, this thread has gone to hell, but I can't help but wonder if registration will really solve the problem or if the Mary Stacks of the world will just keep forming new accounts.

  • LOL||

    She can do that. but they will ban her. There are ways. More high profile sites than this don't seem to be over run with this kind of nonsense. And it is not like she is the only lunatic in the world, although she is a pretty bad one. So I suspect there are ways of effectively banning her. If you couldn't, really big controversial sites like Kos or Red State couldn't exist.

  • cry more heller||

  • Mike M.||

    Sadly, registration probably won't completely stop the rantings of someone who is as severely mentally ill as Mary Stack of Ft. Worth Texas is.

    What it will do however is eliminate the extremely annoying spoofing of other peoples' handles, which is almost as important

  • A Serious Man||

    Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the thread burn.

  • LOL||

    She is a paranoid. You read some of this stuff and it is just amazingly insane.

  • cry more heller||

  • Bashar al Assad||

    I have an honest question for all of you reasonites out there. Remember when there wasn't a 900 character limit? Has the content of our comment threads improved any since then? If it hasn't then why would registration help any more? Could the Mary Stacks of the world not just form a new account after being banned? Going back to the previous attempt to cut destroys the troll problem, the 900 character limit, one is forced to ask himself, who was really affected most by this measure?, was it the trolls spamming endless walls of text. The answer is no, they can simply post the same bullocks over and over by spamming the submit button. No, the real victims of the 900 character limit were the commenters who wanted to write anything longer than a twitter post. Longer essays now have to be broken up into responses.

  • Bashar al Assad||

    (cont.)

    The same holds true for registration, but the victims this time will be new posters who aren't sure if the want to fully commit to reason or those who desire to remain private.

  • LOL||

    Reason was a nice site. And it won't be the same with registration. But the alternative is a paranoid schizophrenic talking to herself for 500 comments.

  • Bashar al Assad||

    I suppose, it really makes you wonder about human nature sometimes when you have people like Mary Stack look a something like reason and decide that she should shit all over it.

  • LOL||

    You do. But I think she is seriously mentally ill. Everyone is out to get her. She comes here and shits on the threads, but it is Reason that is the aggressors in her eyes. Her stupid points are constantly slapped down, but it is the Reason people who won't debate her. There is so much projection going on.

  • cry more heller||

  • LOL||

    Sorry he figured out who you were Mary. Seven proxies and you left you personal name and email on a post. Wow, we all know you are crazy not smart.

    And you know it is not Heller. It is someone else. You have so many stalkers and enemies Mary. What will you do? So many people who are out to get you. Such a lonely life you lead.

  • cry more heller||

    20% of the posts in this thread are yours.

  • LOL||

    All true. But there has to be a way to get rid of the trolls. If you can't, how do big controversial sites exist? Why hasn't some budding nut done this to another site?

  • cry more heller||

  • cry more heller||

  • White Indian||

    fap

  • White Indian||

    fap

  • White Indian||

    fap

  • White Indian||

    fap

  • White Indian||

    fap

  • White Indian||

    fap

  • Bashar al Assad||

    Fuck you asshole, it’s because of people like you that reason is implementing registration.

  • because you responding helps||

  • LOL||

    You are so sad Mary. Tell me, do your daughters talk to you anymore? Do you have any friends? What happened with your husband? Did he try to get you to seek help and you wouldn't and then he finally left? How did your life turn out the way it did?

  • LOL||

    Warty said the one was cute. I feel bad for them. What do you do when your mother is a paranoid and won't get help?

  • Mary Stack||

    Indeed this was all part of my plan. You see I have been moving from thread to thread since the dawn of the internet trolling each of them until they finally break down and implement registration. I'll admit that you guys took longer than most but like the rest you eventually fell. Bye, bye reason I hope you enjoyed my work.

  • LOL||

    No Mary, you are just a nut. You can't stand the idea that anyone else has a forum and you have a serious persecution complex. For whatever reason, you latched onto this site as an expression of your various problems.

  • Mary Stack||

    I'm wearing no pants right now, explain that bitch!

  • ||

    Registration isn't such a big deal for me, though I would rather not have it. More irksome, though, are the recently instituted posting length restrictions. I come here often to write little essays, which people can read or ignore as they choose. For most serious topics, it is hard to write a good, coherent essay, including a solid argument, and supporting evidence, in fewer than 500-700 words. It can be done, given additional time and effort for polishing. But most of the contributors on this forum, including myself, are not paid to post here. We have lives, jobs, and other responsibilities that serve to constrain the time we can spend here. (continued in reply post)

  • ||

    (continued from post above)

    The easier thing -- especially given the shelf-life of most HnR articles -- is to post one's first draft, which may often exceed the current 900 character limit. You'd think Reason would try to make it easier for people to post ... well ... reason. But apparently you'd be wrong. The 900 character restriction (only 300 words, if the average word is THREE letters!) actually encourages the kind of mindless, flip chatter that, it seems, inspires talk of registration, because such trifling postings can be short. It's a vicious cycle.

  • Sevo||

    Why reason.com instituted a character limit rather than other options to reduce the stupidity makes me wonder whether the folks are reason.com are conscious of what goes on here.
    And it would be very helpful if a REPRESENTATIVE OF REASON.COM were to make some sort of comment rather than rely on those who have 'contacted' them.
    Hint, reason.com: Want more money? Want me to contribute this year? Act like adults and tell us what goes on.

  • cry more heller||

    20% of the posts in this thread are yours.

  • ||

    Haha, no. Stupid bitch.

  • Mary Stack||

    Why does everyone on this hate me?

  • Mary Stack||

    Correction: Why does everyone on this site hate me?

  • LOL||

    Why don't your daughter's talk to you anymore Mary? What happened to your husband? How did you end up living alone in Fort Worth?

  • LOL||

    Come on Mary, you don't want to talk about it? How did you latch on to primitiveism? What horrible event drove you down that rabbit hole?

  • Bashar al Assad||

    I don't know, maybe its because you crapped all over every single reason thread and now the squirrels are implementing registration because of you, that may have something to do with it.

  • LOL||

    I think she ran away. She never wants to talk about herself and her life and how it turned out the way it did.

  • Waiting for Registration||

    Hi John!

  • ||

    Hi everybody! Y'all are lonely narcissists, right?

    OK. Look. I has a question. Ready?

    If y'all (no, not you trolls) are contented individualists, i.e. "libertrarians," then what the heck are y'all doin' wastin' yer time in this here chat room, sparrin' with them trolls 'n' such? What in tarnation is that all about?

    Ain't "libertarianism" all about doin' yer own thing an' ignorin' the 'stablishment squares 'n' such? What the?

    Anyway.

  • LOL||

    I hear the one is really pretty. I really feel bad for her. She didn't choose to have you for a mother.

  • Sevo||

    Raises Hand|4.1.12 @ 9:58PM|#
    "OK. Look. I has a question. Ready?"

    Stuff it up your butt.

  • Coprophilia||

    Sevo's got Coprophilia.

  • Bashar al Assad||

    What made you do it Mary, how demented would you have to be to visit a random blog that had done nothing to you what so ever and decide to just crap all over it.

  • Mary Stack||

    Because I'm not looking for anything logical, like money.I can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. I just want to watch the world burn.

  • Bashar al Assad||

    You're a monster!!!!!!!

  • Mary Stack||

    Come on, I want you to do it, I want you to do it. Come on, hit me. *Hit me!*

  • ||

    Hi everybody! Y'all are lonely narcissists, right?

    What's all this about "Mary" an' how she ruined y'all's lives 'n' such?

    What th

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Someone in the commentariat killed her Cooter. From that day on, she swore a vendetta against Reason itself.

  • Mary Stack||

    Come on, I want you to do it, I want you to do it. Come on, hit me. *Hit me!*

  • ||

    Testing, testing...

    Y'all will comment on whatever ah write, right?

    Testing...

  • Lonely Narcissist||

    Y'all will comment on whatever ah write, right?

    [sigh]

    Right. Do what you will with me. I'm beat.

  • Almanian||

    The masochist says, "Hit me!"

    The sadist says, "No!"

    Heh

  • Mary Stack||

    hwuqehquio

  • ||

    Why registration? Why not just ban IPs.

  • IPs rLike libertard principles||

    they can change from hour to hour

    GOVERNMENT FOR ME, BUT NOT FOR THEE!

  • FUCK ME||

    This is like the worst chat room, ever.

  • ||

    It put a smile on my face, to see that Stossel agrees with my long published view that health care and education are traveling the same trajectory in opposite directions, meeting in the middle at the point of vouchers/single-payer.

    Can we not recognize that health care will end up where public education started -- a textbook socialist system -- and that the sector's inevitable decline from that point will require us to pull it back down the same path that it is following now? Why continue on in the wrong direction, just to prove what good, analogical reasoning already predicts? Why not accelerate education toward privatization and the free market, and reverse course in health care to move it in the same direction? Must we really repeat education's crash and burn in health care to be convinced?

  • Church Lady||

    Could it be sssss...Socialism?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Has registration been imposed?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    guess not.

  • Some Guy||

    and why libertarians oppose a single payer system in health-care but cheer it in education.

    Well I don't know any who do. Many, including me, think it should be subsidized (vouchers) because having a bunch of uneducated kids around leads to more costly problems down the road, but that's not the same thing as single-payer.

  • ||

    Vouchers are simply a method of distribution of raised revenue. If the state feels education important enough to fund it through taxes, so be it. The beauty of vouchers is that they interrupt the funding stream and include the consumer. Whenever compensation goes from revenue collector directly to provider (public education, medicare, medicaid, etc) you largely eliminate competition. Place the consumer in the stream, and let him choose where to spend the funding, allow entrepreneurial providership, and competition flourishes.

  • ||

    I see too many "broad brush stroke" reports from too many "broad brush stroke reporters." "This" is working great..(everywhere),"that" is failing....(everywhere). I've volunteered for 6 years in an elementary school, I've worked part time in one for one year. The "why is education failing?" starting point is the wrong premise...or we wouldn't be able to point to schools where reporters think everything is GREAT! Want to know what's happening in education...volunteer for a few years, go to every PTA/PTO meeting, participate in school activities...stop viewing education through a single lens you need tri-focals to get it right.

  • johnl||

    It's funny there are some 2009 posts by a "Mary Stack" that seemed not crazy. In the last year, the Rather and WI personas became quite a nuisance. I look forward to an H&R with registration. Maybe no 900 byte limit on posts. An 80 byte limit on words would be good though.

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