ICE Continues Quest to Tear Apart American Families

Jose Pereira came to the United States from El Salvador illegally 20 years ago. He has since worked various jobs in New Jersey, married a U.S. citizen, fathered three children who are citizens, and committed no crimes.

His recompense for building a life here: "imminent" deportation.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials recently detained Pereira while he was working a warehouse job, and ICE says his deportation is will be occurring in short order. The Jersey Journal reports his wife's reaction:

“This is something that I never thought would actually happen,” said his wife, Carmen Pereira. “You have immigrants who do stuff they shouldn’t, like commit crimes and stuff, and he doesn’t do that.”

Despite the Obama administration's penchant for deporting foreigners, the president issued a directive last summer that would seemingly help people like Pereira—unauthorized immigrants who have strong ties to the United States and have no criminal records—remain in the country. 

According to Pereira's wife, the couple has tried unsuccessfully to use her U.S. citizenship to attain the same legal status for Pereira.

Read the entire story here, and see also Reason on other recent deportation news and deportation generally.

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  • Raston Bot||

    fathered three children who are citizens

    So children are not good anchors?

  • Private Idaho||

    Depends on their weight and buoyancy.

  • hazeeran||

    Immigration thread in three, two ...

  • Montani Semper Liberi||

    If he wanted to live here, he should have come in legally just like my ancestors did when the only requirement to immigrate was not having TB.

  • k2000k||

    Or being a yellow person...

  • Almanian||

    Yellow people built the western railroads, plus did a lot of the labor mining gold (we loved us some yellers setting the dynamite and nitro charges as we blasted away rock!) so the US was lettin' 'em in in the late 1800's in droves.

    Now, them Irish and Eyetalians...

  • ||

    Hey! Who do you think built the Eastern half of the transcontinental (or intercontinental) railroad?
    That's right, us Micks.

  • sarcasmic||

    I want a snow cone :-(

  • rsi||

    My dads ancestors just had to sign a loyalty oath King George.

    The rest of the family just showed up.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    My dads ancestors just had to sign a loyalty oath [to] King George.

    Luxury! Some of my dad's ancestors had to sign a contract of indentured servitude. :)

  • rarher||

    Nothing wrong with a well bred man

  • ||

    But you try and tell the young immigrants that today...and they won't believe ya'.

  • Colonel_Angus||

    Little Lord Fauntleroy and his Mayflower club. Does your nose bleed up there, asshole?

  • Almanian||

    Well, this makes ME feel safer, knowing the evil Mr. Pereira will be back in El Sal where he belongs, so he can't hurt good US citizens by...tkkk rrr jeerrrrrbsz or whatever.

    /idiot

  • ||

    I think the people who were dumb enough to actually play by the rules and are still waiting for their green cards or if they have them went through endless bullshit to get them might disagree.

    Either it is the law or it is not. I don't like Obama. But I can't blame him for enforcing the law. The fact that this guy is a nice guy doesn't make it any more legal for him to be here.

  • Almanian||

    I know, but come on...

    i've drastically changed my views of immigration over the last couple years. I was right where you are - "it's the law, you get in legally, fine, if not, tough shit".

    I'm 180 of that now. I don't think it helps us as a country. Of course, I make it part of the deal that no immigrant gets social welfare for XX years (I haven't decided exactly how long - presently ~10-15) to avoid the whole ANJER BAYBEE issue.

    Anyway - I understand where you're coming from - I just don't buy it any more.

  • Almanian||

    and again, stipulating that what I'd REALLY like is little to no social welfare for anyone cause that's not a proper function for the govt, SLD,e tc. etc.

  • sarcasmic||

    Either it is the law or it is not.

    Would you have supported the Fugitive Slave Act? After all, it was the law at the time.
    What about Jim Crow? The law is the law you know.

  • ||

    His niceness is an argument for changing the law, I suppose. Its not an argument for giving him special treatment under the law we have now.

    It sucks, etc., but c'mon - once you have a citizen-spouse on the hook, you should be in the express lane, which might well involve a detour back to your country to file for your green card.

    Unless, of course, you fuck it up by completely ignoring the law.

    They took a gamble. They lost.

  • Sparky||

    I gotta agree with RC and John here. If people are so fed up with this happening then get the law changed. Giving only certain people special treatment because you like them has ended in more harm than good so far.

  • ||

    Tell that to the 1990s where immigration laws were broadly unenforced, when the biggest holes in welfare were fixed, and when the presumption was that only the bad migrants get special treatment.

    The default treatment was to ignore illegal immigrants. A much better situation for everybody than we have today.

  • Sparky||

    A much better situation than that would be to stop making it illegal for people to come here.

  • ||

    Most definitely.

  • ||

    I thought this is where we come and complain about how stupid stupid laws are, not stand up for the government forenforcing them.

  • MWG||

    "I think the people who were dumb enough to actually play by the rules and are still waiting for their green cards or if they have them went through endless bullshit to get them might disagree."

    Having been through the process on behalf of my wife as well as knowing many others who have been through the hellish process, I can say that you'd be absolutely wrong if that's what you think.

  • WTF||

    Well, I certainly feel safer.

  • Almanian||

    I'm a native American. I was born here. I have no idea who the first Almanian was, or from where they arrived. We go back generations.

    But my cousins' dad was Mexican (he split and went back), my wife's family is from Scotland, the fucking Chinese built the West, the Arabs Occupy Dearborn.

    Do we really give a fuck? Legalize Teh Drugzz and all the border concerns cease. OK, also eliminate all social programs so we don't have to argue about ANKER BAYBEEZ!, too. I'm good with all that.

    Fuck ICE. I hope Mr. Pereira doesn't hate us too much and can get back with his family at some point. What a shitty deal...

  • GroundTruth||

    "Do we really give a fuck? Legalize Teh Drugzz and all the border concerns cease. OK, also eliminate all social programs so we don't have to argue about ANKER BAYBEEZ!, too. I'm good with all that."

    Slowly, slowly, the rest of the country will catch up with these practical steps. But I'm not holding my breath.

  • Almanian||

    I've totally come around on this - 180. Throw open the doors and let 'em all in. Fuck it. It's what made us what we are (OK, PART of what made us what we are).

    I don't believe "it can't work in this day and age". I think it would work GREAT and make the US a more-awesome place.

    I don't see it happening any time soon. Too much power and money in US v THEM

  • mad libertarian guy||

    It's all about pandering to unions whether they be ICE/Border Patrol or labor unions whose biggest threat is cheap labor, keeping immigration an arcane process that criminalizes a lot of people who are doing absolutely nothing wrong satisfies those on both teams. We have law enforcement bootlickers satisfied as well as labor goons. Like the war on drugs immigration is a win-win for both teams, and a loss for America.

    Go figure.

  • k2000k||

    Honestly what needs to be done is the whole immigration system needs a drastic overhaul. I mean why the hell do we have 'quotas' anyways? How does preventing people coming into this country helps us? If they lower the wage level then the price level will also drop so that cancels each other out. What really floors me is that there are tons of bright young individuals who come to this country to study, and hopefully get a job in America. They want to live here and are very motivated. It just makes me furious when I know some college educated 'illegals' who are only illegal because they can't get employer sponsorshp for a green card. And this is after all the time and money we spent educating these individuals. Talk about fucking wasting resources.

    And then lets talk about our universities. I spoke to a person, a fellow alumnni who works in insurance, not to long ago. She was absolutely livid when she was describing how she recommended that a very bright young foreign girl, who had graduated from our university witha degree in business, go back to college to get a technical degree. She told her that it would be almost impossible to find someone who would sponser her in the business world because there were plenty of Americans who could do what she wanted to do, but didn't have to be sponsored so Americans were cheaper. She was angry because our universities encourage foreign students to come to America, but never warn them how certain degress, mainly technical, will make it easier for them to find sponsorship than others.
    /end rant

  • Almanian||

    *clap clap clap clap clap*

  • rarher||

    "I mean why the hell do we have 'quotas' anyways?"

    A political favors game

  • Sparky||

    If they lower the wage level

    Not with a mandated minimum wage.

    And this is after all the time and money we spent educating these individuals

    Let's take the we out of there and then it will be better.

    I think your overall point is right on. It's ridiculous what people have to do to get citizenship or at least sponsored now. The problem is, the government is on a runaway train and there's no real way to stop or even slow it now without a wreck.

  • sarcasmic||

    Seriously! Where's my snow cone?

  • Almanian||

    We got 'em up in Michigan - I think it was mostly western cities that got the snow cone makers.

    Try Grand Rapids.

  • Homeland Security||

    We have the blue pill flavor or the blue pill flavor. Which one?

  • Tim||

    Do you know the carbon footprint of one snowcone? It's like five dead polar bears and two penguins...

  • sarcasmic||

    A baby seal walks into a club... BAM!

  • Almanian||

    that made me lol

  • sarcasmic||

    You are one twisted mofo.

  • Almanian||

    pretty much

  • Tim||

    "and ICE says his deportation is will be occurring in short order. "

    Somebody's not editing goodly this morning.

  • Almanian||

    A Canadian bandmate of mine quite insisted that "as per will be" was OK grammar from the Army pipe band he played with.

    "The rules will continue to be enforced as per will be."

    Seriously.

    Wait..wha...huh?

    Gonna take a really creative one to knock that off as my all-time fave. "As per will be" - lulz

  • Tim||

    Wait. Up above you're a native American, now you're a Canadian. Anything else we need to know comrade?

  • Almanian||

    No, no - I'm 'murcan. But I live in a BORDER STATE (fucked up, rusty old Michigan). Played in pipe bands in Canyada for 30+ years. So I have lots of Cuckian friends, bandmates etc.

    The only other thing to know is that I'm a hitman. Part time, strictly.

  • Colonel_Angus||

    You're an "American", but you regularly cross the border to play in the nationalist pipe bands of socialist Canada? I petition the El Salvador guy's deportation spot to be replaced with you.

  • Almanian||

    Haters gonna hate

  • ||

    But I live in a BORDER STATE (fucked up, rusty old Michigan).

    Perhaps you can explain why the ICE logo incorporates the Red Wings logo.

  • Colonel_Angus||

    This must not be a very hardcore band that you're in.

  • Almanian||

    You think it gets more hard core than Grade 1 pipe bands?

    HAH! You should see the groupies...sweet, sweet, Ginger, groupies...

  • Tim||

  • Almanian||

    hey!

  • Florida A&M band members||

    we are

  • ||

    "Jose Pereira came to the United States from El Salvador illegally 20 years ago... and committed no crimes."

    Are you sure?

  • Tim||

    Great Scott! He's got you Watkins.

  • Colonel_Angus||

    Violations of policies against non forceful actions are not crimes. I would call it being an American, actually.

  • Tim||

    While I agree with your sentiments Colonel, on strictly rhetorical lines Watkins has been, as the kids say, "pwned".

  • Tate||

    "Jose Pereira came to the United States from El Salvador illegally 20 years ago. He has *since* worked various jobs in New Jersey, married a U.S. citizen, fathered three children who are citizens, and committed no crimes."

    Do the kids still say "pwned"?

  • ||

    I'll bet he's driven too fast on the Freeway though.

  • Marty Feldman's Eyes||

    According to Pereira's wife, the couple has tried unsuccessfully to use her U.S. citizenship to attain the same legal status for Pereira.

    It's a common myth about immigration, that marriage somehow makes it easier or automatic- it gives you an in, but it's the same asshole bureaucracy everyone else has to deal with.

  • MWG||

    People always act surprised when they find out my immigrant wife isnt a citizen based on the simple fact she married US citizen.

  • Metazoan||

    I think it's pretty hard to reconcile libertarianism with anything more than calling this guy's offense administrative for not filling out some paper.

  • Sparky||

    But he knew there were papers to fill out, it's entirely his responsibility to get it done.

  • Metazoan||

    That's why I said more than administrative offense would be wrong. Sure, he didn't follow the rules. But it strikes me as decidedly unlibertarian to call failing to fill out some bureaucracy's forms an actual crime.

  • Sparky||

    I agree with you. However, it was my understanding that another important point of libertarianism is personal responsibility. I don't think the rules are good or make any sense and I'm certainly not sticking up for them, but if you're not going to enforce them then why even create them?

  • Shorter Sparky||

    SWAT raids for low level pot crimes are okay because users ought to be personally responsible for the crimes they have committed. It's not good, nor do the rules make sense, but the RULEZ R DA RULEZ!

  • Sparky||

    I suppose you could be a douchebag and blame me for the idiotic rules that the US government comes up with, but yeah, the rules are the rules. If you don't like the rules, get rid of the fucking things. I've already stated that I think it's a stupid rule but that's not going to stop it from applying.

  • ||

    I don't like the rules. Yet I seem unable to get rid of them.

    Are you able to? Can you please do so?

    Thanks!

  • Sparky||

    I wish I could, alas I alone don't have the power.

    It kinda sucks to live in a country where, at least nominally, majority rules when the majority doesn't agree with you. But, such is life.

    I think speed limits are stupid and I regularly drive well over the limit. I don't bitch and moan at the cop when I get pulled over and ticketed for it.

  • ||

    I speed too, and I don't get upset at the cop who tickets me either.

    But then a one-time <0.5% hit to my income is somewhat less inconvenient than being removed from my home and possibly my family and forceably transported to a different country where I experience a continuing 60%-85% hit on my income.

  • Sparky||

    And that's the unfortunate downside to getting caught breaking this particular rule.

    The unfortunate part is that the majority of people in this country see the almighty government finally cracking down on these law breakers. I'm willing to bet there are more people that don't want to let anyone in, regardless of whether they do it the right way, than there are people who think anyone should be allowed in.

  • Marty Feldman's Eyes||

    There's a reason I used the adjective "asshole" in describing this bureaucracy- it's not as simple as just fill out some forms and you're done. They actively try to trip you up every step of the way, while charging large sums for the privilege of being treated badly. Even when you're trying to follow the rules, it's easy to make a mistake. We make it so hard to do it legally, I honestly don't blame anyone for not bothering.

  • MWG||

    This. A thousand times over.

  • ||

    SIGN THE PAPERS OLD MAN!

    But I cannot sign the papers.

  • jtuf||

    1) Let's raise the number of Diversity Visas to 1 million per year and open the program to people from all countries.

    2) If I was inclined to publicize personal details, I could present a few tragic stories of people who wanted to immigrate to America but decided to stay in their home countries rather than break the law.

    3) Let's broaden this discussion to consider some general principles that we can apply equally to all nations. At what point does an individual or a family line acquire the nationality of a land by living in it? I propose that it happens in 1 of 2 condition. In the first case, the host government and the non-national mutually agree to give citizenship to the non-national. In the second case, the non-national is born in the host country and either he requests citizenship or his guardians do so on his behalf.

  • Colonel_Angus||

    "At what point does an individual or a family line acquire the nationality of a land by living in it?"

    When they live there and don't fuck shit up?

  • ||

    Seeing as the nation-state is a legal entity, I would say they acquire its nationality whenever its laws say they do.

  • ||

    Officer, am I free to gambol...

    You know, maybe White Indian is on to something...

  • AlmightyJb||

    I've got no problem letting him stay and I am sympathetic to his situation but a couple of points. Technically they're not breaking up the family unless they're holding his wife and kids captive here. Also, she most likely knew his status when they married. Also, how come a gay citizen can't marry but an illegal alien can? I also am sympathetic to John's point above concerning those on the waiting list who have played by the rules.

  • ||

    Here is an article on a raid near here.

    http://www.citizen-times.com/a.....1312080024

  • ||

    The rules suck but they are the rules.

  • ||

    He "committed no crimes?"

    It says in the article that he "worked various jobs" so did he use a fake SSN to pay his federal income and payroll taxes (which would be a crime) or did he simply evade paying his federal income and payroll taxes (which would be a crime)?

    Well, which is it, identity theft or tax evasion? Because there really is no third "no crime" option.

  • ||

    If he's been working more than 5 years or so -- before Congress thought it would be a good idea to make it necessary for unlicensed workers to steal identities -- then he's probably paying his taxes under an ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) and is committing no identity theft at all.

    Say what you want about the IRS, but at least they're not so stupid that they'd make it hard to pay taxes.

    For that sort of stupidity, you need Congress.

  • ||

    I have tried to track this down. The recent difficulty in using ITINs may not have been due to an act of Congress, but simply ICE electing on its own to check employment records and using ITINs as a basis of suspicion.

    My apologies to the idiots in Congress whom I may have wrongfully called stupid in this instance.

  • ||

    Um, no. Only LEGAL immigrants have ITIN's. So while you are correctm he may have illegally been using someone else's ITIN instead of someone else's SSN it's still identity theft.

  • ||

    Um, yes.

    IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration (SSA).
    ITINs are issued regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have a U.S. filing or reporting requirement under the Internal Revenue Code.
  • ||

    May or may not be a crime, but he certainly defrauded his employers by claiming to be here legally.

  • Zeb||

    Unless they knew and let it slide with a wink and a nod.

  • tarran||

    How?

    It's the feds extorting employers not to hire illegals.

    If the mafia says onecan only hire sicilians to work the waterfront or we'll break your legs, and an irishman presents me with mob-approved "proof" he's from Naples so that I'll give him a job, how has he defrauded me?

    When a extortionist (the feds) is tricked by one of the targets of its extortion into leaving the victim alone, it's not fraud - it's the legitimate exercise of self defense against a wrongdoer.

  • ||

    an irishman presents me with mob-approved "proof" he's from Naples so that I'll give him a job, how has he defrauded me?

    Because he lied by presenting you with forged documents, for his own benefit, and put you at risk?

  • tarran||

    The guys putting me into risk are the feds, not the victim they are trying to harm.

    The feds are the criminals here, not the guys whom they are trying to keep from doing business.

  • ||

    The feds are the criminals here, not the guys whom they are trying to keep from doing business.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Fuck ICE. That is all.

  • kinnath||

    In general, this type of situation just seems to be a waste of limited government resources.

    They should just implement a tag-and-release program.

  • ||

    I thought deportation was a tag and release program.

  • kinnath||

    Well played, sir.

  • Applederry||

    I've thought about them a bit and I've decided that people who have gone through the immigration system and complain about others should have to go through the same system can go fuck themselves.

    I get that they're upset that they've been fucked over by the system, but rather than get angry at the system, they think others should be thrown upon the mercy of the system because they should suffer just like me!

    It's like arguing marijuana should remain illegal because, hey, I didn't get to enjoy legal marijuana in my youth so you don't get to either!

    It's like a perverse form of Stockholm Syndrome. They're nothing but enablers of the State and there's no reason to sympathize with their arguments.

  • ||

    It's like hazing in fraternities.

  • Federal Dog||

    "His recompense for building a life here: "imminent" deportation."

    Is anyone really so stupid as to think that he is being deported for building a life?

    He is being deported for entering the country without inspection.

    Hysterical and false claims do not help anything. They just make you look completely unstable and ignorant.

  • Bradley||

    Eat a dick, cunt.

  • Federal Dog||

    I am sorry that you suffer from sexual dysfunction. See a doctor.

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