Did You Know the Democrats Had a Latino Problem?

I'd heard rumors, but I had no idea the numbers were this dramatic:

From Jane Hamsher:

According to Gallup, Obama's approval ratings among Hispanics has dropped 20 points this year. They note that "the two major drops in Hispanics' approval of Obama this year — in February and May — coincide with two periods when the president was under fire for not doing enough to promote comprehensive immigration reform in Congress." [...]

The Democrats are now on an all-out crusade to blame the Republicans for blocking comprehensive immigration reform. But the truth is, they couldn't get their own caucus to support it. As Jonathan Martin wrote, "[F]or Democrats to pass immigration reform before November, party leaders would have to force members from conservative-leaning districts to cast yet another tough vote that could raise the ire of swing voters." There was no way that was going to happen.

And so we have cable news is full of attacks Sharron [Angle] for shutting out Hispanic media, and Harry Reid saying he doesn't know "how anyone of Hispanic heritage could be a Republican." With GOP establishment stalwarts like Lindsey Graham talking about repealing the 14th amendment, that's not without cause.

Meanwhile, Reid reconvened the Senate this morning just to pass the $600 million border security bill that puts National Guard troops and drones on the border. [...]

[And] America's Voice reports that deportations have skyrocketed under the Obama administration[.]

Hamsher suggests that the time-honored strategy of rhetorically backing base-pleasing legislation with no prayer of passage has worn thin, given that Obama has been able to twist arms on other bills of note. Though I think that A) immigration policy is harder, and B) I'm guessing there are other significant reasons for the double-digit plunge.

Reason on immigration here.

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  • Old Mexican||

    I am the one skewing the statistic!

  • Jeffersonian||

    Race traitor!!

  • village genius||

    I stimulate the economy by clicking on Linda McMahon's banner ad on the side of this page. It makes me feel a little better because I am simultaneously putting America back to work, AND spending some of McMahon's money.

  • ||

    Looks like a certain party needs to start rubbing more hot sauce on their butthole.

  • The Gobbler||

    What's with this this hot sauce on the butthole craze and how did it start?

  • ||

    Whatever.

    I thought it was funny, so I sort of ran with it.

  • The Gobbler||

    It is kind of funny. Thanks for the history lesson.

  • ¢||

    With GOP establishment stalwarts like Lindsey Graham talking about repealing the 14th amendment, that's not without cause.

    He only did that so you could say that. Show some fucking gratitude.

  • Pro-Immigration Libertarian||

    It's not fair that we have immigration laws...
    We need to move the 5.7 billion other earth inhabitants here to the US so they can have our economic opportunities without having to lift a fucking finger to get them. It's only right.
    Don't be a fucking xenophobe.

  • ||

    You forgot to add "HURR DURR HURR DUUUURRRRRR!"

  • ||

    Can we call that a "plummet"?

  • marlok||

    racist

  • ||

    Don't be a fucking xenophobe.

    I'm not.

  • waffles||

    I'm a celibate xenophone

  • waffles||

    zenphobe, whatever

  • ||

    C-3PO: "I am fluent in over six million forms of communication and can readily—"

  • ||

    That graph really could do with a longer ordinate axis.

  • ||

    I noticed. It fluctuates a lot though. I think Hispanics want to believe in Obama, so he'll get a 5-10 point uptick every time he makes noises about immigreation reform.

    But the reality is that immigration reform runs against the natural interests of his core supporters: Unions and domestic labor.

    Unfortunately, the Republicans have similar problems stupid nativist tendancies vs. market philosophy.

    The Hispanics seem to be opting for the "at least they're not racist" party.

  • BakedPenguin||

    ...the reality is that immigration reform runs against the natural interests of his core supporters: Unions...

    He didn't pimp out the country to save the UAW just so the Mexis could terk ur jerbs!

  • T||

    The Hispanics seem to be opting for the "at least they're not racist" party.

    Which party would that be?

  • PIRS||

    "Which party would that be?"

    Hazel must be talking about either the Libertarian Party or the Boston Tea Party. More likely the Boston Tea Party.

  • ||

    Has it ever occurred to anyone that perhaps hispanics are you know human beings instead of mindless minority robots? And that perhaps not all of them buy into open borders? Indeed the ones who are citizens or LPRs have a direct economic interest in closing the border.

  • Democrats||

    This is not a possibility, therefore it has not occurred to us.

    And, oh by the way, Racist!

  • Woodrow||

    Or maybe the ones who aren't in favor of open borders don't place much priority on it, so they end up voting for the lefties anyway.

  • Jeffersonian||

    The drop among non-Hispanic whites is almost exactly that of Hispanics. I think you have a point.

  • ||

    And it is probably the same combination of factors that has the Democrats tanking in every demographic (other than Academics and Blacks) -- the Economy sucks and everything these assclowns do just makes it worse.

  • MWG||

    So if we let more in, they won't become citizens who automatically all vote for democrats?

  • MNG||

    Like those f*cking Irishmen who voted Dem for so long...

  • ||

    If the economy doesn't improve,no one will be voting Democrat.

  • MNG||

    Oh, they are going to take a beating, on that I agree, though not enough to get my guy back into the Guvs seat here in the land of Mary.

  • Hank||

    That certainly depends on how much more liberals and progressives, R's and D's, can extend the welfare state. I'd say the Obama Administration and Congressional leadership has gotten off to a hell of a start, but there is much work to be done. Everyone knows you can't get to single-payer overnight. Much work to be done.

  • ||

    They may, but I think that past experience makes their personal sympathies lie with immigrants. Not to mention the strong possibility that they have friends or family who are going through the immigration process.

  • Mike M.||

    Has it ever occurred to anyone that perhaps hispanics are you know human beings instead of mindless minority robots? And that perhaps not all of them buy into open borders? Indeed the ones who are citizens or LPRs have a direct economic interest in closing the border.

    It's true. The journolists want us to believe that Latino-Americans all feel the same way as the scumbags they show waving Mexican and Che Guevara flags on the streets from racist groups like MECHA and La Raza do. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. Latino Americans are incredibly diverse in every respect, including political thought.

  • ||

    In part because 'Latino' is a bullshit formulation.

    Though it's a nice, large, convenient category around which the multiculturalists can build their racial/ethnic plantation.

  • Zeb||

    That is what I try to tell people who think that all immigrants from points south will be a mindless socialist horde whose descendants will all vote democrat forever.

  • MWG||

    Exactly.

  • T||

    I work in the oil business for a company owned by Argentinians. The ones that come up here are baffled by our politics, believe in a strong social safety net, and are otherwise borderline fascist.

  • robc||

    otherwise?

  • nativist scum||

    Of course they won't vote Democrat forever. Once there are enough of them in the southwest, they'll declare independence and the American political parties will be a non-issue.

  • Admiral Ackbar||

    So, bit of a threadjack(but hey, it is an article about identity politics, so...maybe?), but I wasn't on early enough(damn MDT) to stick this in the morning links.

    Anyway, this may be stepping on SugarFree's toes (directed to it by feministing) and all, but here's a piece from the American Prospect about how all politics is identity politics, and it's today's Rage Stroke Inducer of the Day:

    http://www.prospect.org/cs/art.....y_politics

    Choice exceprt:

    Progressives love identity in the voting booth -- it's how we knew our long-awaited majority was going to emerge.

    and...

    ...we're all in it together. Labor rights are tied to gay rights are tied to women's rights are tied to immigrants' rights. If what binds us together as progressives is our vision for a more just society, it is our commitment to all of these issues that will define us... I do expect the liberal coalition, particularly its leaders, to be sensitive to whose greater good our agenda is serving. Until the leaders of the progressive movement and Democratic Party reflect the core constituencies that support them, interest and identity groups will remain powerful and necessary. And I wouldn't have it any other way. After all, my identity is why I'm a liberal in the first place.

  • ||

    How dare you!

  • ||

    Wow, that whole article reeks of desperation. Everyone go read it. It will actually make you feel better to see them panicking so.

    Too bad there aren't any comments.

  • DG||

    Labor rights are tied to immigrants rights? This is truly astounding levels of ignorance for someone who claims to be knowledgeable about politics. Labor unions are one of the biggest supporters of harsher immigration laws.

  • MNG||

    They're thinking Ceasar Chavez and all that I guess.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: MNG,

    They're thinking Ceasar Chavez and all that I guess.

    Cesar Chavez was the greatest fraud ever. Here was a guy that wanted "fair" wages and conditions for immigrant workers. ACTUALLY, he was a union hack who wanted to price immigrant labor OUT of the market. He almost succeeded.

    He was the type of Latin American that John talks about below.

  • MNG||

    Like the United Farm Workers of America or the SEIU?

  • Admiral Ackbar||

    Your posts seem to imply they "think". I'm not entirely sure I'm following you on that one.

  • marlok||

    I get a shiver down my spine when I see the words "liberal, coalition, sensitive, greater good, agenda" together in the same sentence.

  • ||

    There's some pretty good evidence that identity politics doesn't make people work towards the greater good. It makes people work for the good of their identity group, regardless of whether it's fair or just with respect to the larger society.

    It's one of the main reasons that believing "democracy" will somehow inherently produce fair results is naive.

  • marlok||

    Just had a moment to read the article.

    Her main point is that interest group politics is more vital than politics promoting the public good. She prefers one flavor of collectivism over another. Individuals outside of their respective groups are irrelevant to her.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: John,

    And that perhaps not all of them buy into open borders?

    Not all subscribe to the notion of open borders - due to economic fallacies that run rampant in their minds.

    Indeed the ones who are citizens or LPRs have a direct economic interest in closing the border.

    I am legally here and I have a direct economic interest in keeping the border as open to immigration and free trade as possible: I really DON'T want to be buying $30.00/LB tomatoes nor do I want to buy Idaho potatoes.

  • ||

    We need free trade to make sure you don't buy 30 lb tomatoes. And I know a fair number of Mexicans back home, all here legally, and all of them hate illegals and don't want immigration reform. Granted that is an anecdote. But it shows such a view is at least possible.

    My point was that no one ever seems to put up polls on what Hispanics actually think about immigration. The media always seems to assume they are all La Raza reconqunistas.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: John,

    And I know a fair number of Mexicans back home, all here legally, and all of them hate illegals and don't want immigration reform. Granted that is an anecdote.

    Who cares?

    The media always seems to assume they are all La Raza reconqunistas.

    The media has been living in another planet since the 1930's and Walter Duranty. Who cares what they think?

  • ||

    Who cares?

    Read the rest of my post. It shows that there are such people out there. I admitted it was an anecdote but that wasn't the point. Why be such a dick?

  • MNG||

    It's not a force of one, but an example of one!

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: John,

    Who cares what a few Latin American immigrants think about immigration reform? The important question is: What do YOU think?

  • waffles||

    30lb Tomatoes are TOO BIG! Open the Border!

  • wingnutx||

    Damn, that made me laugh :D

  • Woodrow||

    If Hispanics had just voted for McCain, they would have all sorts of amnesty goodies by now.

  • Brother Wolf||

    What could the Republican party do to attract more Hispanic voters (realistically)?

  • ||

    Not much. Hispanics would actually be with them on a lot of the social conservative issues, but anti-illegal-immigration sentiment is going to continue to sound like anti-Hispanic sentiment (rightly or wrongly).

    "Wider gates, higher fences" talk might help, but it will probably take a half-generation for any trust on the issue to be built.

  • MNG||

    Didn't Bush do fairly well with them? It's not like its impossible. Parties and their supporting interest groups re-align all the time. for example, blacks used to vote for Republicans, if you can believe it!

  • marlok||

    Obama got 67% and Kerry only got 53% of the Hispanic vote. So either they liked Obama a whole lot more than Kerry or hated McCain a whole lot more than Bush.
    If one statistic emphasizes how weak a choice McCain was for candidate, this is it.

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    Probably nothing that doesn't involve ceasing to be Republicans. Which is why trying is a waste of time.

  • Admiral Ackbar||

    There are a couple of Hispanic Republicans running right now in the Southwest. For example, in New Mexico, Susanna Martinez is running for Richardson's old seat, and I believe I heard of a couple in Arizona.

  • ||

    This would probably be the best hope for republicans.

    More Hispanic candidates and electeds.

    Republican party could probably break the 50% point simply by recruiting and feeding money to Hispanic candidates.

  • MNG||

    Did Bush "cease to be a Republican?" Iirc he got about 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2004...

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    Look at Bush's approval rating among Republicans, and you tell me.

  • MNG||

    His approval rating in 2004 when he pulled that 40%?

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    Sure. He wasn't breaking any records then, either.

  • ||

    What could the Republican party do to attract more Hispanic voters (realistically)?

    Stop electing racist dicks who don't grasp the benefits of free trade? That would be a great start.

    Republicans who treated Hispanics with respect could get a majority of their votes.

  • ||

    Man, look at that top line. What's it going to take to look past skin color?

  • MNG||

    Hmm, I wonder what historical events gave rise to blacks' focus on the color of their skin? Hmmm, what could it be?

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Aw, c'mon, MNG. It's a fair question...

  • MNG||

    Art
    It's fairly common, and imo understandable, for oppressed people to have a high level of identity. Read Ulysses by James Joyce or any history on how the Irish looked on JFK's presidency. Or hell, for decades after the Civil War the South still had such a strong sense of pride and identification with geographical accident.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Yeah, I know. It's not like I think it's unprecedented or anything. I'd ask the same question about what JFK would have to have done to be unpopular among Irish Catholics or for what reasons Gore wasn't actually that popular in the South.

  • marlok||

    Gore was from Tennessee, although you could have fooled me.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    I realize I stated that awkwardly. Considering that Gore was actually from the South and Texas was merely Dubya's adopted home, I was honestly confused about how Gore didn't do better in the South. I was interested in how that one ran counter to Southern self-identification or whatever.

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    Er, Ulysses was first published in 1922. I doubt there was much history of the JFK presidency at that time.

  • MNG||

    But plenty of Irish self-identification, which was my point.

  • Logfile||

    Only decades? I'm pretty sure those sentiments still exist (in a less extreme form).

  • T||

    There has to be some reason for those Stars & Bars stickers.

  • Virginia||

    Full on economic collapse... and as luck would have it... !

  • BakedPenguin||

    Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.

  • hmm||

    You could use that argument, but that line damn near mimics the Democrat support by the black community. Now that is not only a travesty wrapped in a comedy.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Good point, actually.

  • ||

    Hmm, I wonder what historical events gave rise to blacks' focus on the color of their skin?

    The formation of the republican party was caused by the break up of the Whig party which fell apart because of the abolitionist movement. Abolitionists went to the republican party which eventually ended slavery.

    Republicans have a pretty damn good record of fighting Jim Crow until it was abolished.

    A large majority of republicans voted for the civil rights act.

    I can see why blacks vote for the color of their skin....i do not see why they vote Democrat.

  • ||

    Hmm, I wonder what historical events gave rise to blacks' focus on the color of their skin?

    Being treated shabbily by the Democratic party and their racist laws, versus the Republicans and their emancipation proclamation?

    No, wait, that can't explain 90% of them voting Democratic.

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    I dunno. Got any examples of a country where that has ever actually occurred?

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Do not feed the Slap!

  • Almanian||

    Did You Know the Democrats Had a Latino Problem?

    No, there's no problem - they're still big fans of Che and Hugo.

  • BakedPenguin||

    Go to south Florida wearing a Che shirt. (Actually, don't - there are few enough libertarians as is).

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Very good comment. I'm from Miami originally and can tell you that most Cubans hate, hate, HATE the democratic party because they actually have experience with communism.

    Cubans are VERY republican leaning.

  • ||

    Labor rights are tied to gay rights are tied to women's rights are tied to immigrants' rights. If what binds us together as progressives is our vision for a more just society, it is our commitment to all of these issues that will define us... I do expect the liberal coalition, particularly its leaders, to be sensitive to whose greater good our agenda is serving.

    Just what I always wanted to be; a pawn on the progressives' chessboard.

    [insert obligatory "fuck you"]

  • Almanian||

    It's a surreal column. Yes, in some way every person is driven by their own "identity" - experiences, upbringing, etc.

    But to then extrapolate that to "you owe it to your kind to tow the lion [I couldn't resist] for the good of The Borg ..." assumes agreement on what a "more just society" is, that people will subsume conflicting ideals/goals for the greater good...which is in conflict with the "be true to your identity" message....

    So I'm left confused. I guess it's like all the Goth kids - "be unique, like us...cause if you go hang with the jocks, you're not down with the cause...even if you like sports as well as being a Goth"? Is that it?

    Dunno - creepy and someone I wouldn't want to talk to at a cocktail party.

  • ||

    even if you like sports as well as being a Goth

    how do the jocks feel about the goths who play sports?

  • ||

    anti-illegal-immigration sentiment is going to continue to sound like anti-Hispanic sentiment

    It could have something to do with the focus on the southern border. I haven't heard too many people complaining about how Czechs and Swedes and Australians are stealing our jerbs.

  • robc||

    you here it about India.

  • nativist scum||

    Yes, but the difference is that Indians don't have to immigrate to terk ar jerbs.

  • ||

    The other thing to consider is that Hispanics make the rational conclusion that neither party is going to do anything about immigration and start voting on other issues, like say the economy.

    Amnesty is wildly unpopular. Hispanics are about as likely to get such a thing from the Democrats as Libertarians are of getting an end to the drug war from either party.

  • MNG||

    The story there to me is the huge disconnect between whites and blacks. Holy shit that is huge. Talk about "two Americas." My guess is that if you talked to blacks and whites they would share concern about where the country is and where it is heading, but blacks, understandably imo, view Obama's Presidency with some racial pride and therefore have high approval rates. If true that would undercut the idea that blacks and whites have such distant worldviews.

  • ||

    Yes. And it is unhealthy. What happens if Obama doesn't get re-elected? Hopefully the whole thing will be forgotten and there isn't any lasting animosity between the races.

  • MNG||

    I'm guessing JFK's approval rating among Irish-Americans was consistently high too...

  • hmm||

    Actually I'd think it was more catholic than Irish American. Since that was the larger controversy.

  • ||

    I thought the Mafia were the ones who killed him?

    Aren't they Catholic?

  • kilroy||

    racial pride

    Is that code for racism?

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    Only if you're white.

  • The Gobbler||

    "but blacks, understandably imo, view Obama's Presidency with some racial pride"

    Pride goeth before the fall.

  • MNG||

    I don't know how any Latino could be a Republican...

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Really, MNG? I don't see much of an appeal to any party affiliation, but I don't see why an Hispanic Republican would be so weird.

  • MNG||

    I was just kind of joking (google that phrase and Harry Reid).

    But I do think that anti-Hispanic sentiment is markedly higher among the GOP lately.

    But hey, I here there are gay Republicans, so I find nothing strange politically :)

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Ha ha, OK, good one. C'mon, Harry, maybe it's time for you to hang it up.

  • kilroy||

    anti-Hispanic sentiment

    Huh. I thought that was anti-illegal immigrant sentiment. I wonder if that was intentional on your part...

  • Pip||

    Oh it is. I heard Jim Lehrer say that Tom Tancrado was anti-immigrant. I don't think he is, he's just anti-illegal immigrant. Lefties pull that shit all the time.

  • ||

    Tom Tancredo is anti-immigrant, as evidenced in his proposed moratorium on immigration...

    Mr. Tancredo's moratorium could help avert that prospect. It limits legal immigration to about 300,000 per year -- the number of people who leave the country every year and a little more than the historic average for annual legal immigration.
  • BakedPenguin||

    Sadly, he is one of the few elected politicians with any sanity on the War on Drugs. (His opposition is federalist, rather than moral, or utilitarian).

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    Good for him.

  • MWG||

    Oh yes, the pro legal immigration sentiment is strong in the GOP. All those conservatives calling for lifting quotas, slashing the bureaucracy of the legal process, etc, etc...

  • Dan||

    There aren't many people of either party currently calling for lifting immigration quotas. It isn't a popular position during a recession.

  • MWG||

    Can you name a time when conservatives were 'pro legal immigration'?

  • ||

    Lindsey Gram isn't a "conservative"? GW Bush isn't one either? Well he is probably not. But that is not the Leftist position.

  • MWG||

    Yes, and what happened to both when they came out in favor of reform? They were ripped apart by who??? Conservatives.

  • marlok||

    I think the point is that conservatives have no problem with legal immigrants who are already here, but do have a problem with illegal immigrants. "Anti-immigrant" to refer to anyone who questions the legality/benefits of 40 million undocumented workers was devised by Democrats to scare up a few votes.

  • The Gobbler||

    Yes. That would explian Mark Rubio and Jed Bush's wife.

  • The Gobbler||

    Jed = Jeb

  • mattrue||

    Wow, 24 percent of whites have become "racist" since Obama's inauguration. Don't they know everything is George Bush's and the White Man's fault????

  • Mo||

    Isn't it more that Democrats have a voter problem? They lost 24 points from whites and 20 from Hispanics. Seems to me that the issue is the economy and other issues, not immigration.

  • Zero||

    Maybe Latinos are smart and know both sides are full of shit and they understand nobody really takes them seriously as a voting demographic. Democracts expect Latinos to vote with them because they do have the La Raza types on their side and because Democracts pretty much expect minorities to vote for them (see Reid, Harry). Most Republicans seem to think "hey we go to the same church, they'll vote for us eventually" while doing nothing to actually court their votes or change a policy or attitude to try to win them over. If the Republican party wasn't so vastly incompetent with its image and communication it probably wouldn't even be close whose party they would belong to.

  • MWG||

    ^^This. I've always said in terms of immigration, the repubs are interested in short-term wins. Stirring up nativist sentiment for a win in Nov. and then 2012. The dems, OTOH, seem to be thinking more long-term. Courting who, they believe, will be future democrat voters.

  • hmm||

    The dems are just as short term as the republicans. There were several routes to dealing with the AZ and pending FL immigration mess. The current administration chose the route that they thought would generate the most short term political capital, not the route that would solve the problem or generate long term voters.

  • MWG||

    I'll give you that, but don't forget the SB1070 was signed by a republican governor who was getting beaten up over a massive state deficit and whose reelection bid was hanging by a thread.

  • ||

    If the Republican party wasn't so vastly incompetent with its image and communication it probably wouldn't even be close whose party they would belong to.

    Aside from arguing an economic position of free markets and jobs (which they actually are terrible on and only play lip service to) what are they going use to sell the Republican party to Latinos?

    McKinley and the Spanish-American war?

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

  • Brett L||

    Florida -- defining the bottom down since always.

  • Zeb||

    You are not interesting. Please go away.

  • ||

    They already did it. Has everone forgotten the Krome Avenue Detention Center?

  • Dan||

    Why do we need a special explanation for Obama losing Hispanic support? His support among whites has dropped by a similar amount. I suspect his support among Asians has done the same. The unusual thing is that his popularity with African-American voters is totally unchanged.

  • nativist scum||

    Why is that unusual? Hell, even white Democrats get practically unconditional support from that demographic.

  • hmm||

    Racist beaners!

    Wait, is that racist?

  • hmm||

    In serious form, you can see the pandering already occurring in democratic speeches over the last few months. I think they are to the point of starting to actually try and guilt votes out of the Hispanic bloc, which is the end of the line in vote begging.

  • jtuf||


    [F]or Democrats to pass immigration reform before November, party leaders would have to force members from conservative-leaning districts to cast yet another tough vote that could raise the ire of swing voters." There was no way that was going to happen.

    On Monday, I went to a town hall meeting with Pacrell (NJ8 - D) in one of the bluest districts in the country. I asked him if he would be willing to raise the number of diversity visas to 1 million per year and to open the diversity visa lottery up to people from all nations. Pascrell said he will not make either reform, because he doesn't like how immigrants from "certain countries" take good paying jobs that he believes people born in America should get. The room was full of East Coast suburban liberals, but not one of them spoke up against Pascrell's economic prejudice.

    Pascrell also sponsored a bill in May of 2010 (HR 5397) that has a clause (sec. 102)to prohibit any company with over 50 employment from filling more than half of their labor force with people who have green cars for high paying jobs (ie, H-1B).

  • waffles||

    Asians, how do they work?

  • Zeb||

    Yeah! Green cars suck.

  • kilroy||

    filling more than half of their labor force with people who have green cars for high paying jobs (ie, H-1B).

    That's Carism!!!

  • ||

    The really scary thing is the absolute, unshakable racial solidarity of the black community. 88% approval at inauguration, 88% approval now. I'd love to see something in-depth on why blacks love them some Obama so much. He couldn't act much whiter, so I can't see any kind of cultural resonance. Is it really just his skin color?

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    The really scary thing is the absolute, unshakable racial solidarity of the black community.

    That's kinda just how people are, and not just the black ones.

    What's really scary is how few people take that reality into their political calculations.

  • Neu Mejican||

    I don't know. When the society spends a couple of centuries forcing you to focus on skin color as a mark of identity, you would expect the lower-status group to take pride in other members of their group that have reached higher status. As the disparities between the groups erode further, this will become less and less of a factor. I suspect it will be pretty much a non-issue in a generation or two.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Yes.

  • BakedPenguin||

    They may continue to "support" Obama, but I'm willing to bet that the percentage of black voters who turnout in 2012 will be much lower than 2008.

  • ||

    Exactly. There will be nothing historic about 2012. That means the urban douche vote unlikely to show up as well.

  • ||

    Is it really just his skin color?

    I think it is the D after his name.

    How does Clinton's graph look?

  • ||

    http://sas-origin.onstreammedi.....uzac7g.gif

    Yup blacks liked Clinton as well.

  • ||

    Blacks loved Clinton. More so that other Democratic politicians.

  • ||

    38% among whites. That is a far cry from "Yes We Can".

  • ||

    The really scary thing is the absolute, unshakable racial solidarity of the black community. 88% approval at inauguration, 88% approval now.

    It isn't racial solidarity, it is party solidarity. Democrats of any skin hue regularly get 90%+ of the black vote.

  • ||

    If either the Rs or Ds quit being dicks, they'd do much better among Hispanics and achieve electoral dominance as that population grows.

    Most members of Congress are just facepalm levels of stupid about this.

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    But a large majority of the country doesn't want amnesty and do not want open borders. Your strategy may or may not pay benefits in 20 years. But it will get you killed today. They are just avoiding the thing that will kill them today and letting tomorrow take care of itself.

  • e'||

    good

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