Hey, Teachers! Leave That Fat F**k Alone!

The Examiner's Mark Hemingway points the way to this story of New Jersey teachers bullying zaftig Gov. Chris Christie via Facebook:

In Facebook messages visible to the world — not to mention their students — the teachers have called Christie fat, compared him to a genocidal dictator and wished he was dead. The postings are often riddled with bad grammar and misspellings.

"Never trust a fat f...," read one profane post on the Facebook page, "New Jersey Teachers United Against Governor Chris Christie's Pay Freeze," which has some 69,000 fans, many of them teachers.

"How do you spell A-- hole? C-H-R-I-S C-H-R-I-S-T-I-E," read another....

One educator, a librarian with a Master's degree, described the cuts as "rediculous."

Another pointed out that Christie's late mother was a member of the teachers union: "It's not right to bite the hand that feeds you. Oh I forgot it's Chirs Christie, He's so large I bet he'd bite anything that's put in front of his face!"

"Remember Pol Pot, dictator of Cambodia?" warned another. "He reigned in terror, his target was teachers and intellectuals. They were either killed or put into forced labor... King Kris Kristy is headed in this direction."

More here.

Christie's crime, needless to say, is not being fat, but trying to put the Garden State's disastrous budget on a diet. While facing a $10 billion deficit, Christie has called for slashing schools funds and asking teachers to freeze wages (freeze, not cut) for one whole year.

In the midst of all the anger, let us remember a gentler time, when teachers didn't just hate, but took us all "from crayons to perfume." Take it away, Lulu:

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  • P B||

    Wow. Good thing the teachers didn't take a 20% pay cut last year like I did due to plumetting sales, otherwise who knows what would have happened.

  • Gilbert Martin||

    I hear tell that one of the "outrages" the teachers are wound up about is a salary freeze - no raises.

    Of course there are plenty of people in the private sector who have had this happen (including me) but of course the precious public servants shouldn't have to put up with such.

    What an outrage!

  • Ragin Cajun||

    I'm shocked, shocked to hear that you think there are public school teachers who can't spell. Next, you will tell me the head of Detroit's public schools can't read.

  • wingnutx||

    My sister is an elementary school teacher. She is absolutely opposed to spelling tests of any kind.

    I think this is fairly prevalent.

  • ¢||

    his target was teachers and intellectuals

    In that spirit, if I'm elected in 2012, the targets of my REIGN OF TERROR will be Diet Sprite and the Oort Cloud.

  • Pedant||

    The hypothesized Oort Cloud.

  • ||

    Teach the controversy!

  • ||

    LOL

  • AlmightyJB||

    I still remember being in the fourth grade back in the early 70's in Columbus Public Schools and having to help my teacher understand the math book. Pretty sad.

  • ||

    One of the more rage-inducing moments of my childhood was when my 2nd grade teacher informed our class that there was no way to divide a circle in three equal parts. I proceeded to show on the blackboard that that was incorrect, expecting wild accolades, worship, immediate promotion to at least 3rd grade, or maybe I could be the teacher. The dumb bitch just told me to sit down and shut up.

    She later decided to do a unit on motherfucking duckies and bunnies because it was Easter. Even my 7 year old self could tell something was rotten in the state of public school.

  • ||

    I had the same thing happen to me when I pointed out that Neptune is sometimes farther away from the sun than Pluto if their orbits line up just right, which is every century or so. The teacher was so pissed she had a conference with my parents to tell them what a trouble maker I was.

  • ||

    Insubordination! This, public school teachers, is how you turn kids who are just a little too clever for their own good into proto-libertarians.

  • ||

    Reminds me of the English teacher who thought that the way to teach literature was to have us memorize the titles and authors of important works.

    You know, like The Old Man and the Sea, written by Faulkner.

    I argued with him, and he argued right back, in class. After school, I checked the book out from the library and left it on his desk with a note: "SEE? I told you so!"

    He didn't apologize, either, nor did he correct himself in class, the bastard.

  • ||

    My favorite was a high school teacher who told us that ancient Greek plays were performed in amphitheaters like the Coliseum. I did not win points by pointing out that the Coliseum was a stadium and in Rome.

  • ||

    I had a 5th grade teacher that told us that the North won the Civil War because they were fighting on the side of freedom, and that free men would outfight slaves. She wasn't happy when I asked about the Peloponnesian War and the Spartan victory.

  • ||

    Reminds me another teacher, this one in college, who denied that there was a Napoleon III.

  • Kiwi Dave||

    I had a highly regarded 6th grade teacher (this was in NZ) who insisted that there were 52 states in the US, the continental 50 + Alaska and Hawaii. Took a lot of work (pre-internet) to prove otherwise.

    So much of our industrial-era school system is a training to submit to authoritah.

  • ||

    You had the same teacher as Obama?

  • Kiwi Dave||

    Obama was extra special, as he had 57 states.

  • Jonas||

    While we're complaining about teachers who are dumbfucks who don't like their students to be smarter than them, I'll point out that I had a teacher get pissed off at me for point out that the German word "ja" is pronounced "yaw" not "jaw". That's what an awful little know-it-all asshole I was.

    This is the same teacher who gave us a pretest at the beginning of the school year that covered all the main information we would learn throughout the year. After he graded them, he took the time to point out once that only one person in the entire sixth grade managed to get 100% on it. Then he wandered over to my desk and literally rested his hand on it all while he pontificated about how much he doesn't really like the smart students because they're smarmy little nerds who feel like they don't have anything to learn from him.

    And, yes, I was the one who was the student to get 100% on his dumb test.

  • Sudden||

    A peace sign. I would've thought teachers could figure that out.

    Don't worry. Nowadays teachers can figure out how to make a circle into three equal parts since they can all afford Mercedez.

  • ||

    Understand that if students wrote this kind of thing on their teachers' facebook pages, it would be cyber bullying and terrorism resulting in an FBI indictment and a full two hour special on Nancy Grace.

  • oncogenesis||

    +187

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Yeah - I lost 25% of my colleagues to layoffs last year and had my wages frozen -- a common story in the private sector.

    This stuff is going to backfire on the teachers' union.

  • T||

    Well, here's another one. Kid got detention for correcting his teacher about an obscure factoid: a kilometer is less than a mile. Teacher thought it wasn't.

  • ed||

    In fairness to the teacher, kilometer is a longer word than mile.

  • Kiwi Dave||

    I hope you were being sarcastic about this being an "obscure factoid." It's pretty ignorant.

  • ||

    Kiwi, the local shop is running a special on sarcasmometer tune-ups, if you're interested :)

  • WTF||

    Looks like that might be a hoax letter, actually.

    The last line about how the kid would be "better off if he just accepted my teaching" made me skeptical.

    http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/hilliker.asp

  • Zeb||

    I find it is safest to assume that any supposed document like that you find on the internet is fake.

  • Byron||

    My gut tells me this letter is genuine. It's just not 'over-the-top' enough to be fake.

  • Zeb||

    I often try to defend teachers here. I had a number of very good public school teachers. I think a lot of them are unfairly criticized simply because of the fucked up system they have to be part of if they want to work as a teacher in a public school.
    That said, fuck these people! The point of schools is not to give teachers nice secure jobs and the governor's job is not to make public employee unions happy. When many people in the private sector are seeing pay cuts it's time to suck it up and take some pain like everyone else.

  • ||

    Unfortunately, it is true that teachers get paid poorly, and education is one of the easiest and first things to get cut.

    That's part of the problem with publicly funded education. Private school teachers are paid substantially more and don't cost the taxpayer anything.

    It's kind of a perverse feedback. The teachers are paid so poorly that very few talented people are willing to do it. The leftovers unionize and in a compromise with the state negotiate for job security and pensions (deferred wages). But the deferred wages eventually blow up the budget, and force more cuts.

  • ||

    Private school teachers are paid substantially less the public school teachers. And education is anything but the first to be cut. Education spending has exploded in this country and we have few if any results to show for it.

    Are you ok Hazel? That is a really dimwitted post by your usual standards.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    You might be misinformed, Hazel. My understanding is that average teacher salary is in the range of $50,000 (plus those delicious benefits), about the national average household income. Doubleplus summers off.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Teacher salaries.
    Same fallacy as cops being underpaid, when, in fact, they do ok, even disregarding benefits.

  • Dan T.||

    Citizen, accoring to your graph the $50,000 figure applies to teachers with 20+ years of experience.

    Salaries are relative but to me $50k for 20 years on the job kind of sucks.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Yawn.
    To the rest of you, just check the stats.

  • ||

    Stop talking to my spoofer!

  • ||

    Stop spoofing my talker!

  • ||

    "the $50,000 figure applies to teachers with 20+ years of experience."

    Um yeah like CN said when I check the chart myself I see that it says $49,372 for 10-19 years and $57,001 for 20+ years. Entry level pay of $34,219, plus all the benefits that go along with being a public sector employee.

    Reading graphs is not hard. There are also 2 other types of averages other than Median (Mean and Mode). Deception in chart for usually comes in choosing the right Average type to get your point across, not just lying about what is on a chart everyone can read themselves.

  • Sudden||

    Add a masters and in the state of California you can clear $70k in about 5 years. Doubleplus summers off. Tripleplus no SS taxes.

  • dave b.||

    Teachers generally don't have 20 years of experience, they have 1 year of experience 20 times.

  • Zeb||

    If you don't know that is a load of shit, you are truly an idiot.

  • Chris||

    Agreed. Our son goes to one of the finest private schools in the nation, and teachers there are paid substantially less than those in local public schools. I have known of at least 2 teachers who have taken nearly 25% pay cuts so that they might teach at a better institution.

  • Zeb||

    Anecdotes do nothing for this discussion. I know teachers in private schools who make more than the average public school teacher where I live. So what?

  • Zeb||

    Keep in mind that each of thousands of school districts in the country has their own pay structure. Some teachers are overpaid, some are underpaid and some are probably just right (assuming there should be public school teachers). It is just stupid to talk about this like all public school teachers (or private school teachers; the diversity in compensation there is even greater) are in the same boat when it comes to compensation. A national average of salaries doesn't tell you shit about any particular state or districts situation when it comes to teacher pay.

  • ||

    Unfortunately, it is true that teachers get paid poorly, and education is one of the easiest and first things to get cut.

    I don't buy it. The first thing to get cut is the private sector, and teachers are usually fairly privileged when it comes to raises-- I can remember many years where teachers got higher raises than the rest of the state employees. Teachers get paid poorly compared to what they think they're worth, but the teachers unions' themselves resist any effort to increase hiring standards.

    Private school teachers aren't generally paid more (though it's difficult to generalize about private schools, inner city parochial schools are not the same as super-exclusive boarding schools), private schools just have a lot less bureaucracy and overhead and have students who want to be there, all of which teachers enjoy.

  • ||

    And you don't need to go through bullshit certification training to teach at a private school.

  • Dan T.||

    Also, at private schools teachers don't really have to do much but hand out A's and B's since they don't want to run off the customers.

  • ||

    Private schools are a joke. That is why Obama and every other rich Democrat in Washington sends their kids to them.

    I guess they just do it to keep their kids away from black people not because they provide a better education or anything.

  • Dan T.||

    Of course rich people send their kids to private schools mostly to keep away from the riffraff.

    Keeping out undesirables is the main benefit that private schools have over public ones.

    Remember, George W. Bush couldn't get into UTexas law school but had no problem cruising through Harvard and Yale despite being dumb as a rock.

  • ||

    So you are saying the Obama twins are too stupid to attend Woodrow Wilson and had to go to Sidwell Friends instead?

    Racist.

  • ||

    Hey stop spoofing me pulling the race-card!

  • Jersey Patriot||

    Wow. Nice shot, John.

  • Ray Pew||

    Also, at private schools teachers don't really have to do much but hand out A's and B's since they don't want to run off the customers.

    So you think that they will attract MORE customers by providing their children no education or possibility of college entrance?

    The irony of your post makes me LOL.

  • KingTaco||

    Hey Hazel,

    1. Check out this link that shows NJ public salaries/individuals:

    http://php.app.com/NJpublicemployees/search.php

    Leave the two name categories blank, select 'all' for agency, and 'Teacher Pension and annuity Fund' for pension. Hit search.

    2. Read, and don't ever make the argument that teachers are underpaid again.

    3. Silently remember those figure are before some of the most generous benefits in the country are factored, and as noted are quite probably all low-balled.

    4. Silently note that while teaching is a difficult, critical job, it's also flush with applicants, has very low job standards/risk, requires only a mickey-mouse degree, and has ample time off.

    5. If you're a member of a teachers union, like many of my family, try to realize that your average college grad doesn't magically make $100,000 straight out of school. I know the news can make folks jealous, but in reality the world isn't made up of either teacher or wealthy investment bankers. Understand that, especially in today's environment, in very competitive roles, many business grads make sub-$100K for a long time easily. Teachers seem to have problems understanding that a lot of white collar workers don't make much more than $50-70 K a year, and don't have anywhere near as much job security or generous pensions.

  • ||

    Not in NJ, the average NJ teacher makes $56,635 per year. (http://www.employmentspot.com/employment-articles/teacher-salaries-by-state/)

    NJ has a very strong teachers union.

  • ||

    In texas, with no teacher's union, the teachers make above 40 thousand a year, which is a pretty big salary in that state, because of the low cost of living. Also, they get regular pay increases, and I'd venture to say that their benefits are worth about twenty grand a year.

    Yeah, in the private sector, you could make 10 to twenty grand a year more than that, but you'd have to move to a big city, and you will probably only be hired on a temporary basis, even if they don't tell you that up front. My dad was offered a job making 80 grand a year before he became a teacher, but it would have required him to move and work for 60+ hours a week. Also, I don't believe that he would have received any pension other than his 401k (which his employer would only match 25% of what he put in out of his own paycheck) and SS. And he would have been out looking for a new job again in a year or two.

  • CEO||

    Yeah! I only got $80 million last year while my company nearly went bankrupt.

    These teachers need to suck it up!

  • Strawman||

    Leave me alone!

  • CEO||

    I'm just sayin', it's tough out there in the private sector.

    Good think I work so much harder than you guys do.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Damn! I wish money for your salary didn't come out of my pocket, CEO.
    Oh, wait. It doesn't!
    If your shareholders are that fucking stupid, knock yourself out!

  • CEO||

    Sorry, can you repeat that? I was busy talking to the Congressman I bribed with my "Free Speech" money about the next round of deregulation and subsequent bailouts.

  • ||

    Finally, commenter on here that knows what he's talking about!

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Hey, I'm a privileged white male libertarian! I got mine! So if the taxpayers/voters are that stupid, knock yourself out!

  • ||

    Yeah, because all libertarians are so privileged. Shut your fucking mouth. I'd be willing to bet that you have more money than I do, dumbshit. Stop using other people's handles to make dumbshit statements.

  • ||

    Stop spoofing me being a dumbass!!!

  • New York Times Editorial Board||

    Only we should be allowed game the system with free speech money.

  • ||

    The private sector isn't all CEO's dumbass. Corporations don't get any money unless it is given to them voluntarily. McDonald's doesn't take money out of my paycheck every week. Wal Mart doesn't force me to buy their products. Investors aren't shoved into prison for not investing enough in Microsoft. Go fuck yourself troll bitch.

  • Alan Vanneman||

    "crayons to perfume"

    I do not like the sound of that.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    I use Chanel's "Flesh Tone."

  • Stupid Kid||

    Mommy! I made a painting on my toilet paper!

  • Kiwi Dave||

    "Private school teachers are paid substantially less the public school teachers."

    I think it depends on what kind of public school. Teachers in Catholic school don't make very much (many of them are of course under vows of poverty). Fancy-pants prep school teachers probably do make a lot more than public school teachers.

  • Ray Pew||

    I think it depends on what kind of public school. Teachers in Catholic school don't make very much (many of them are of course under vows of poverty). Fancy-pants prep school teachers probably do make a lot more than public school teachers.

    I would presume that few of the non-clergy members are under any vows of poverty.

    From my experience, private school teachers compromise the loss of higher pay at public schools for free tuition for their own children or better teaching conditions at private establishments.

  • Kiwi Dave||

    I would presume that few of the non-clergy members are under any vows of poverty.

    Yes, but priests, nuns and monks have historically been the backbone of the Catholic school system: the fact that they could be paid so little was what made a huge network of private Catholic schools available at much lower cost than secular private schools. Because of the greatly reduced numbers of people going under Catholic vows, the Catholic school system in the US is in big financial trouble, as far as I understand (I am not Catholic).

  • ||

    From my experience, private school teachers compromise the loss of higher pay at public schools for the priviledge of not getting knifed in the hallways.

  • Dan T.||

    Seriously, what is up with the libertarian hatred of teachers?

    I mean, really. A handful of disgruntled teachers (out of thousands affected) slam a government offical out of frustration and that's an indictment of all teachers? Isn't bashing public servants what you guys do here every day?

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Yawn.

  • .||

    (crickets)

  • ||

    Stop spoofing me!

  • ||

    Stop spoofing my spoofers!

  • Brett L||

    You answer your own question. We don't hate teachers, we hate self-righteous public employees who think they should be immune to the recession the rest of their countrymen are experiencing.

  • ||

    And especially their unions.

  • ||

    That, and bashing the illiterate, of course. "Offical," heh.

    It's not just the slamming, but the illiteracy on the part of those who should be exemplars of literacy - or competent at a bare minimum.

    It was also the wildly hysterical comparisons to Pol Pot - rather like the hysterical conflations regularly posted here by the trolletariat. Yes, Danny Boy, I mean you.

  • Slut Bunwalla||

    I wasn't aware we were bashing public "servants" because they refused to give us more money for less work.

  • ||

    I don't hate teachers, I hate their martyr complex.

  • Sudden||

    But we do so with proper spelling, little reference to weight, and we don't do it because the gubmint failed to give us raises at your expense.

  • Dan T.||

    We don't hate teachers, we hate self-righteous public employees who think they should be immune to the recession the rest of their countrymen are experiencing.

    So if your boss came to you and said you're getting a 25% pay cut you'd just shrug your shoulders and take it?

    Wow, you are a well-trained worker bee if that's the case. Maybe you could lick your company's CEO's shoes for an extra dollar as well?

  • ||

    Stop spoofing me. The real Dan T does not have a period in his name, you clown.

  • ||

    Yeah he does, dumbass. I should know, since I'm the real Dan T.

  • Zeb||

    "So if your boss came to you and said you're getting a 25% pay cut you'd just shrug your shoulders and take it?"

    Yes, that is exactly what I fucking have done, so that my company will continue to exist. Just like public employees should do when there is not enough money to pay them. If they don't like it, they can look for another job, in the private sector where they don't get to be spoiled little bitches. I also had that option, but saw my best interests in staying where I was.

  • ||

    "So if your boss came to you and said you're getting a 25% pay cut you'd just shrug your shoulders and take it?"

    If I can find a better paying job, I don't. Personally, I have never taken a paycut and never been fired. Since I turned 18 six years ago, I have worked a string of crappy jobs, quitting a couple because they sucked, and quitting the others to go on to better opportunities. I don't have a college degree, so I have been climbing up the ladder. Luckily, it seems to be working quite fine. Gain more skills, get a better job, gain even more skills, get a better job, job starts to suck, quit said job and take the skills I gained and got a better job. Would I take a 25% paycut? You bet! If it were the superior option.

  • Dan T.||

    It was also the wildly hysterical comparisons to Pol Pot - rather like the hysterical conflations regularly posted here by the trolletariat. Yes, Danny Boy, I mean you.

    Now that is rich, given the nonstop hyperbole seen here on a regular basis...reading H&R, one would think you guys were not among the most priviliged people in the history of the planet.

  • ||

    Stop spoofing me or I'm going to look into legal action.

  • ||

    Stop threatening my spoofer with fake spoofs of legal threats!

  • ||

    "Now that is rich, given the nonstop hyperbole seen here on a regular basis...reading H&R, one would think you guys were not among the most priviliged people in the history of the planet."

    Anyone alive today is amongst the most privileged people in the history of the planet. Even people in the poorest countries on earth. If you are trying to argue that the people here are all of wealthy stock, you are full of shit. I know for one, that I am at the bottom of the income latter. I've worked for 5.15 an hour, and I turned 18 just after the dot com crash, and now I'm dealing with my second recession in the 6 years of my working life. I've gotten use to living simply, and I have simple tastes to begin with. Life really isn't that difficult in this country, even during the bad times. Any other low caste libertarians like me here? Speak up.

  • ||

    Why couldn't that fat fuck be slim and handsome? New Jersey needs a more comely Governor to compensate for the state's dearth of natural beauty.

  • ||

    a librarian with a Master's degree, described the cuts as "rediculous."

    Apparently the cuts had been "diculous" once already.

  • ||

    +1

  • Fluffy||

    OK, threadjack to bitch about a pet peeve of mine:

    Who the FUCK is the scam artist who convinced the world that being a librarian required a Master's Degree and should command a 70k annual salary?

    Seriously, what the fuck is up with that?

    You have to follow the Dewey Decimal system and put books on a shelf. And you have to use the scanner gun to check books out for people.

    This is a MINIMUM WAGE RETAIL JOB, folks.

    Even back when there was a card catalog and date stamps [yup, I remember both fondly] we were talking about a MINIMUM WAGE RETAIL JOB.

    "Well, librarians have to be experts in research techniques and periodicals and blah blah blah blah blah."

    Um, no they don't. Nobody actually uses the librarian as a research resource. Not even at college libraries.

    Here's a plan to cut school costs: fire all libraries. Replace them with laid-off lunch ladies.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Here's the thing, Fluf:
    You might have a point about school librarians, but I (and many others at my shop)actually use the librarians here as a research resource.

  • ||

    You make the mistake of confusing library workers and librarians. It's like bitching about a surgeon's salary because you think they do the same work as a nurse.

    While I too think the Master's degree is way too much education for shelf monkey, it's fairly in-line with academics. At the university level, much more research is done with the library than you think, it just doesn't happen at the Reference Desk with the bored grad student staring off into space.

    This is not to say that the profession is perfect, there is a lot of redundancy and stupidity on display, but, at the university level, we do serve a function.

  • KingTaco||

    "While I too think the Master's degree is way too much education for shelf monkey, it's fairly in-line with academics. At the university level, much more research is done with the library than you think, it just doesn't happen at the Reference Desk with the bored grad student staring off into space."

    Is a librarian an academic? Does a librarian do the research for a biology professor? Does the fact that university research occurs in a library change anything about the skills/training of the libraries administrator?

    I don't get the above argument. Librarians run a library, they have to keep track of inventory, handle customer interaction, and make sure inventory is correctly displayed. There is absolutely nothing different, logistically, than a straight-up retail operation. Librarians don't have any magical intellectual-academic power, they just run a freaking library.

    Could a head librarian make 70K like a large retail store manager? Sure. Does 'Library Science' need to exist as a Masters, or even 4 year degree? No way. It could easily be a branch of a business degree.

  • KingTaco||

    Let me add, in context, I'm not having a go at large retail management or library management. There's a lot of logistics to get right in both, as well as a myriad of things to oversee.

    I'm calling bollocks on the need for special 'Library Science' training in a Master setting, or that a librarian is an 'academic'. Or the need for more than one or two full-blown top-pay-scale librarians at most locations.

  • ||

    I'm not going to defend my entire profession to you, but boiling it down to a blinkered notion of a public library checking out kid's book all day is simplistic at best.

    No, we often don't do the research for the biology professor. We manage and purchase the journals he wants to read, the electronic resources that he utilizes, and any sort of loans he might need from another library. And we take the students that he expects to use resources from the library for papers or sub-research for him, and we train them how to use the library, something he, in complete ignorance, thinks is something they are just born knowing how to do. In fact, a lot of us end up doing the basic freshman orientation classes that you biology professor refuses to, on the two or three days a week he is actually on campus.

    But I'm not going to pick on biology and other science professors. Most of them on campus howled blue bloody murder when we consolidated the small branch libraries near their various department. They wanted their branch near them because they used it so much.

    But I guess you know better than the teaching faculty that actually use academic libraries.

  • KingTaco||

    1. I didn't make the argument 'Libraries aren't used/are redundant'. I don't agree with that, and wasn't my line of criticism.

    2. Nothing in what you described above is any different than a department manager/sales manager/warehouse manager training-aiding other employees vis-a-vie various company resources or programs. Happens everyday, with some pretty complicated stuff.

    As said, I'm not having a poke at a librarians job. But I've yet to hear a convincing argument that it requires a Masters specifically tuned to 'Library Science' as opposed to being a subset of a four-year business degree (or maybe a Bachelors with a combo of business and education classes). I also don't know why any library would need more than two-three (perhaps three-four for large universities) full-blown, top-pay librarians. If young 20-somethings can manage a retail store or substitute teach, they can be trained by full-blown librarians to aid students in research for $40,000.

    I've always thought being a librarian was a cool job if you liked books/academic pursuits, but didn't want to mange people in a regular business environment. However, I'm not grooving to the beat that being a librarian requires vast mastery of arcanum beyond what mid-level managers in business do everyday.

  • Jonas||

    I think, SugarFree, that the problem Fluffy has isn't so much with actual librarians that work in major libraries or university libraries, but with the little old ladies who command a $70,000/yr. salary reading Dr. Seuss books to 7-year-olds.

    Of course, the problem would be solved by privatizing the education sector and allowing wages to be determined by market forces.

  • Sudden||

    The problem is the librarian at the elementary school getting $70k a year, not the collegiate librarian.

  • Paul||

    Fuck you, Fluffy, it's "Library Science". Whatever we pay them, it's too low.

  • MJ||

    Or Borders and Barnes & Noble clerks.

  • Rich||

    One educator, a librarian with a Master's degree, described the cuts as "rediculous."

    Obviously an attempt at humor. Probably should have said "ridickledockle".

  • oncogenesis||

    No, stupid book worm just can't spell "recockulous".

  • Vermont Gun Owner||

    I am ashamed to admit my sister teaches at a small high school in Vermont. She's been complaining for weeks about how the town rejected the school's proposed budget, a $400,000 increase over last year's. She keeps going on and on about how they'll have to cut sports and a couple of teaching positions and how it's horrible of the voters to have 'cut' the budget. They approved a budget exactly the same size as last year, and she can't give me a good reason why they need to cut anything they did last year if they've got the same budget.

  • Jeffersonian||

    It's possible that other expenditures, like energy costs, went up and are crowding out salaries.

  • ||

    Doubtful. Salaries and benefits are the vast bulk of expenses.

  • Vermont Gun Owner||

    The budget last year was $7.75 million. You really think that energy costs, etc, on a budget that size went up $400,000 in one year?

  • ||

    At the elementary and high-school level, my librarians were mostly dour spinsters who seemed to hate kids, reading, sunlight and joy. And they didn't seem to actually do much, either. A fun, jolly and obscene librarian like Sug woulda been different, but there's no way those ladies were worth much more than entry-level compensation.

  • ||

    Goddamn threaded comments- that was meant in reply to Sug's 12:09 post.

  • ||

    Yes, the school librarian is usually pretty worthless. Most have an education degree and a library certification rather than a MLS. They are basically teachers who don't want to be in a classroom.

    But I can never be too hard on them, the librarian in my grade school was the only person in the whole school bright enough to recognize that I was a smart kid who was profoundly bored, rather than stupid. And she gave me my first Heinlein to read, Red Planet.

  • ||

    And don't forget she talked your parents out of drowning you.

  • ||

    Well, of course.

  • Andrea Yates||

    I could've used her help.

  • Character from Shutter Island||

    Tell me about it.

  • ||

    I (and many others at my shop)actually use the librarians here as a research resource.

    Let them work for tips.

  • x,y||

    One educator, a librarian with a Master's degree, described the cuts as "rediculous."

    John is a librarian with a master's degree?

  • ||

    +1

  • ||

    Yep, those teachers are really mistreated by the mean public sector employers, aren't they?
    Why, screw up for several years to the point of having your school boycotted, and they'll put you on paid leave:
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....1D1HUV.DTL

  • Some Guy||

    Dan T- Teachers are responsible for kids' consumption of corn syrup. COOOORRRRRNNN SYYYYYRRRRRUUUUP!
    They're in the pocket of big HFCS. Have been for years.

  • ||

    Absolutely. I went to public schools and I'm a fat fuck, so it's their g'damned fault. That and the gallons of beer I consume daily.

  • T||

    I can't blame public schools for my weight, but I'll damn sure push part of my issues with authority off on them. If they hadn't demonstrated conclusively that everyone in a position of authority was borderline retarded and utterly untrustworthy, I'd probably be a much better citizen today.

  • Sudden||

    +100

  • Michael||

    Related: http://newsblogs.chicagotribun.....rease.html

    Jennifer Ritchason, a middle school social students teacher in Bloomington, came armed with hundreds of letters from her students asking legislators for more money for schools. She said she hopes the children’s words will resonate with the governor and House Speaker Michael Madigan, among other legislators the letters are addressed to.

    “If you don’t care about your future, I don’t know what you can truly care about,” she said.

    Anyone care to speculate what last week's creative writing assignment might have been?

  • Sudden||

    I wonder what kind of grade little Johnny who said "let my dad keep his money" got on that assignment...

  • ||

    I suspect that its the Ms. Ritchasons, with their adamant refusal to take any pay or benefit cuts, who are forcing the staffing cuts here.

    So if these staffing cuts are imperilling our future, Ms. Ritchason, I know who to blame.

  • TomTeacher||

    So, if teachers should take a cut when times are lean like sales and business, do we also get a raise when corporations do well?!? (um, answer: no) Teach a kid for a week, one who walks in the door of the class and claims everyday that he doesn't like school, and get him to like being there. teach a class of kids who are more interested in texting and music than learning a skill they need in your corporate world. then you would see that good teachers need good pay.

  • دردشة||

    thanks

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