Real Men Know That Shoes Are More Important Than Trade Quotas

I am no Reaganophile (he lost me at "bloodbath"), but this Teddy Kennedy account of the Great Communicator, as lifted from an upcoming autobiography excerpted in today's New York Times, had me feeling a bit nostalgic:

While Mr. Kennedy had little patience for [Jimmy Carter's] piety and punctiliousness, he found the disengagement of Mr. Carter's successor, Ronald Reagan, at times oddly charming, though at other times frustrating. The senator said it had been difficult to get Reagan to focus on policy matters. He described a meeting with him that he and other senators had sought to press for shoe and textile import limits.

The senators were told that they would have just 30 minutes with the president. Reagan began the meeting, the book said, commenting on Mr. Kennedy's shoes — asking if they were Bostonians — and then talking for 20 minutes about shoes and his experience selling shoes for his father. "Several of us began conspicuously to glance at our watches." But to no avail. "And it was over!" Mr. Kennedy said. "No one got a word in about shoe or textile quota legislation."

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  • kinnath||

    "And it was over!" Mr. Kennedy said. "No one got a word in about shoe or textile quota legislation."

    A positive outcome for a Republican president. The only question is whether this was luck or hard work.

  • robc||

    Wise strategy, I think. Dont have to say no if the time runs out before they can ask the question.

  • ||

    His hair was perfect!

  • ||

    He's the hairy, hairy gent, who ran amok in Kent.

  • ed||

    an upcoming autobiography excerpted in today's New York Times

    Ghost-written.

  • Warty||

    He's the hairy, hairy gent, who ran amok in Kent.

    Steve Smith isn't President yet, gentlemen.

  • ||

    I don't think Reagan was a doddering old fool. Maybe he just didn't want to listen to a bunch of horseshit out textile quotas that makes clothing more expensive for everybody, including the poor that Teddy professed so much empathy for.

  • ||

    STEVE NOT LYCANTHROPE! STEVE MUTANT!

  • kinnath||

    I don't think Reagan was a doddering old fool.

    Ron's "old geezer" routine devastated more than one political opponent.

  • EJM||

    It looks like the book will also discuss the LBJ/Fresca incident...

    The book also includes seemingly trivial but fascinating asides that provide quirky windows into history. Mr. Kennedy tells of private sessions with President Johnson, including one in the Oval Office after he had returned from a trip to Vietnam. As Mr. Kennedy tries to impart upon the president his dubious assessment of the war effort, Mr. Johnson, according to the book, seemed uninterested in hearing it and instead became fixated on the diet soft drink, Fresca.

    The president had offered Mr. Kennedy and his aide, David Burke a choice of tea, coffee or Fresca, which they had declined. But Mr. Johnson persisted, asking Mr. Burke, "Aren't you going to have a Fresca with your president?"

    Even after Mr. Burke accepted the Fresca, Mr. Johnson did not relent. "Every time Dave found an opening to voice his opinions on Vietnam, Johnson would interrupt to ask whether he would like another Fresca," Mr. Kennedy wrote. He added that it was clearly Mr. Johnson's way of keeping his aide off balance and the discussion away from the war.


    (See more about the incident here.)

  • Kevin||

    If only we had a President like that today...

    Geithner: We need to talk about the stimulus package.
    Obama: Did I ever tell you about the time I had my package stimulated?
    (Goes on 60 minute rant about his sex life).

  • Xeones||

    No, Epi, Steve is a sasquatch.

    Ronnie Raygun wasn't so terrible, as far as politicians go. He reportedly once said, "I don't drink coffee at lunch -- i find it keeps me awake all afternoon." If only more of Our Leaders spent more time asleep and less time doing stuff.

  • Mike M.||

    I wonder if Teddy was smart enough to ever figure out the lesson sly old Ronnie was trying to teach him. My guess would be probably not.

  • ||

    STEVE NOT SASQUATCH! STEVE HAVE ACROMEGALY! STEVE SAD...STEVE MISUNDERSTOOD, LIKE ANDRE.

  • ||

    I'm not a fan of all things Reagan, but I don't think he was any dummy. I think he was using Publica-fu on Kennedy to avoid a conversation he didn't want to have.

    By the way, one thing Reagan was good at was public speaking. Our bar has gotten a lot lower when we're calling people like Obama--or even the more oratorically gifted Clinton--"great speakers." They ain't.

  • JB||

    Makes me like Reagan even more that he sat Kennedy down and talking about people actually running a business. Something that the Kennedys know nothing about.

    The only good Kennedy, is a Dead Kennedy.

  • ||

    Reagan was a werewolf?

    Thinking about that song makes me think of Trader Vic's, which reminds me of Trader Joe's (a Tampa lack), which reminds me to note that I had lunch at Whole Foods today. I enjoyed every bite of my pricey sandwich, knowing that I was helping to fund political opinions that piss off the powers that be. Ha, ha!

  • kinnath||

    Reagan was a professional speaker long before he got into politics. Obama was born a politician.

  • Xeones||

    Obama was born a politician.

    I thought he was born a Kenyan. [rimshot]

  • DJF||

    J sub B writes """"I don't think Reagan was a doddering old fool. Maybe he just didn't want to listen to a bunch of horseshit out textile quotas that makes clothing more expensive for everybody, including the poor that Teddy professed so much empathy for.."""

    Yes Reagan would rather import textiles from Chinese communist sweat shops which would allow the communist party to remain in power rather then collapsing like the communist parties of the Soviet Union and East Europe. Great work Ronnie, making the world safe for Chinese communist dictatorships

  • ||

    Reagan was a werewolf?

    I thought he was a vampire. With Alzheimer's.

    "See, I released it in Transylvania so vampires would come and visit me and I could get them to bite into my neck and then I could become immortal! Why the hell do you think I made myself look so sexy on the cover?!?"

  • Warty||

    Ronald Reagan has a stack of three-by-five cards in his lap. He skids up a new one: "What advice do you, as the youngest American fighting man ever to win both the Navy Cross and the Silver Star, have for any young Marines on their way to Guadalcanal?"

    Shaftoe doesn't have to think very long. The memories are still as fresh as last night's eleventh nightmare: ten plucky Nips in Suicide Charge!

    "Just kill the one with the sword first."

    "Ah," Reagan says, raising his waxed and penciled eyebrows, and cocking his pompadour in Shaftoe's direction. "Smarrrt - you target them because they're the officers, right?"

    No, fuckhead!" Shaftoe yells. "You kill 'em because they've got fucking swords! You ever had anyone running at you waving a fucking sword?"

  • ||

    Good for you, ProL. I'd shop at Whole Foods, but I think the nearest one to me is in Seattle (Ballard?), which is out of my way for grocery shopping.

  • Zombie Reagan||

    Yeah, that was a good move, but I am currently killing the Health Care bill without saying a word. Top that.

  • ||

    Warty,

    I completely forgot about Reagan being in Cryptonomicon.

    sage,

    It's not particularly close to my house, but it is between home and work, so I met the wife and baby daughter there. I should've had the sushi.

    My wife is a huge Trader Joe's fan after going to one in Cary, NC. But they ain't in Florida for some reason. I may sue.

  • ||

    sage, there isn't a Whole Foods in Ballard. There's one on Westlake near Belltown (which is the one I go to), and then Roosevelt Sq., Bellvue, and Redmond.

  • ||

    There's a Trader Joe's on my way home, but I haven't been there in a bit (I take a ferry and don't want to lug grocery bags on there).

    They have some good deals on reasonably tasty beer. And they sell a garlic salsa that is the hog's nozzle.

  • ||

    Thanks, Epi. I had scanned locations from their site and all I saw was "not close to me."

  • ||

    sage, there is this coming though.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    So the Congressfucks learned they're not the only ones who know how to filibuster.

  • T||

    And they sell a garlic salsa that is the hog's nozzle.

    I presume from context that's a good thing, but at at a loss to explain why.

    I got no Whole Foods, and no Trader Joe's. But the Wal-Mart by my house is very clean.

  • ||

    Yes Reagan would rather import textiles from Chinese communist sweat shops which would allow the communist party to remain in power rather then collapsing like the communist parties of the Soviet Union and East Europe. Great work Ronnie, making the world safe for Chinese communist dictatorships

    Reagan - Pro communist.
    Kennedy - Fighting imports for any reason other than protectionism.

    That is not the dumbest thing I've read on the internet this week. Maybe today, but not the whole week.

  • robc||

    ProLib,

    Finished Juggler.

    I enjoyed the first 2/3rds which filled in some Known Space gaps nicely, but only the last 1/3rd was really a story.

    I think I preferred Fleet of Worlds.

    Question I have - was the Hindmost who eventually mated with Nessus any of the characters in Juggler? Flipped thru Engineer and the Hindmost mentions being the 4th Experimentalist Hindmost since they took over from the Conservatives. Nike was the 1st. Am I missing any obvious clues about which puppeteer Hindmost was?

    Oh, uh, staying on topic...is Kennedy responsible for the UN totalitarian state of Known Space?

  • Old Bull Lee||

    Reagan held his own in a debate with William Buckley Jr. and George Will. (IIRC, Buchanan was there too.) Agree or disagree with their positions, but they were (are in Will's case) intellectual heavyweights when it came to politics.

    Obama, McCain, GWB, Kerry, Clinton - none of them would last five minutes in that conversation.

  • Mary Jo||

    "I wonder if Teddy was smart enough to ever figure out the lesson sly old Ronnie was trying to teach him. My guess would be probably not"

    I repeatedly asked him to help me out of the car, but he just kept swimming. It's like he wasn't even listening to me. Very effective strategy.

  • Xeones||

    So the Congressfucks learned they're not the only ones who know how to filibuster.

    I doubt they learned anything, actually.

  • Grandpa Whithers||

    "Obama, McCain, GWB, Kerry, Clinton - none of them would last five minutes in that conversation."

    Bill Clinton would. And I don't even like the guy.

  • ||

    Oftentimes, when oldtimers tell stories from their younger days, they include the kernel of truth that you need to hear in the story. That's been my experience. I wonder if President Reagan gave them what they needed to know and they were too busy not listening to hear it?

  • Federal Dog||

    "I am no Reaganophile (he lost me at "bloodbath")"

    In retrospect, given the blithering hacks who have installed and tenured one another, then dismantled what used to be higher education, a good blood-letting might have done the national IQ a world of good.

  • Neu Mejican||

    ""I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself."

    Ronald Reagan

  • Neu Mejican||

    "The Afghan Mujaheddin are the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers of America."

    Ronald Reagan

  • Neu Mejican||

    "A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that is true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not."

    Ronald Reagan

  • Neu Mejican||

    "I did not see it as trading arms for hostages because we were dealing with Iranian intermediaries, not the kidnappers themselves. I know it may be a fine line to most people, but it's what I believed then and what I still believe."

    Ronald Reagan

  • ||

    "Obama, McCain, GWB, Kerry, Clinton - none of them would last five minutes in that conversation."

    Clinton would hold his own, though as much by his ability to redirect and take off onto his own agenda while making the questioner feel that their answer was answered, as anything else.

    McCain is clever enough, but he'd just get pissed and yell.

    GWB - Well, he is GWB

    Obama & Kerry, especially Kerry - Not worth something that Reagan would scrape off his shoe.

  • Warty||

    Yes, Neu. Reagan was bad, we know.

  • Neu Mejican||

    A Political Song

    1-2-3-4, 1-2-3-4.

    We don't want your apathy.
    No fuckin' government gets down on me.

    Can spare any change?
    Can spare any change?

    Anti Reagan and stuff man, yeah.

    Pop-o-pies

  • ||

    robc,

    Overall, I enjoyed Juggler of Worlds, too. It was not up to the standards of the early Known Space stories, but it wasn't bad. I think the Hindmost was different, but I'm not sure whether the gap is addressed in other books or not. I didn't know about Fleet of Worlds, so I'll have to check it out.

    I'm on a historical fiction jaunt now, reading Pressfield's Tides of War.

    NM,

    Pretty different times back then. I think people forget how distressing the Soviet Union was to us and to Europe. Everything we did was with them in mind--for good or for ill.

  • ||

    I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.

    John Kerry

  • ||

    I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.

    John Kerry

  • Neu Mejican||

    Warty | September 3, 2009, 3:38pm | #
    Yes, Neu. Reagan was bad, we know.


    To be fair, he was better than either Bush.

    He might have been wily, but reports of his intellectual prowess are greatly exaggerated.

  • ||

    I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.

    John Kerry

  • ||

    You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.

    John Kerry

  • Neu Mejican||

    As for the "great communicator"/ public speaker thing, well that's just funny.

    He was a fairly facile liar, sure, but a great speaker he was not.

  • Neu Mejican||

    MayorOmalleySuxs,

    What has John Kerry got to do with a thread about Reagan and Kennedy?

    Odd.

  • Xeones||

    He might have been wily, but reports of his intellectual prowess are greatly exaggerated.

    Well, nobody is claiming it was DIFFICULT to outmaneuver Teddy Kennedy.

  • Sandi||

    "As for the "great communicator"/ public speaker thing, well that's just funny."

    If you are talking about Reagan here that's just bullshit.

    Dropping a copy of the massive budget bill on the podium was communication at its best.

  • ||

    GhwB was the man behind the curtain on Iran/Contra. According to handwritten records from Noriega, VP Bush was present at several meetings with Noriega and others orchestrating it.

  • ||


    The senators were told that they would have just 30 minutes with the president. Reagan began the meeting, the book said, commenting on Mr. Kennedy's shoes - asking if they were Bostonians - and then talking for 20 minutes about shoes and his experience selling shoes for his father. "Several of us began conspicuously to glance at our watches." But to no avail. "And it was over!" Mr. Kennedy said. "No one got a word in about shoe or textile quota legislation."



    That is an absolute masterpiece of political misdirection, and Kennedy didn't even realize he'd been snookered. Yet people mocked Reagan's intelligence?

  • Neu Mejican||

    Really,

    I remember Ronnie's speeches well. If you didn't come away from them with a sense he was insulting your intelligence, you weren't paying attention. To mind it take more than a "Jimmy Stewart after the stroke" charm to make you a good public speaker. There should be some substance to what you say. Ronald Reagan introduced the era of the substance-free sound bite.

  • Neu Mejican||

    um..."to my mind"

  • ||

    Genetic engineering is a way to fix God's horrible mistakes, like German people.

    Mr. Garrison

  • Neu Mejican apparently had a s||

    "To mind it take more than a" = To my mind, it takes more than

  • ||

    NM, make up your mind so we know how to argue with you. Words matter.

  • Neu Mejican||

    brotherben,

    Make up my mind about what?

  • ||

    Reagan, whatever his failures, was a pretty danged good speaker. He wasn't a rhetorical genius, but he wasn't called the Great Communicator because he was a Star Trek fan.

  • Neu Mejican||

    He wasn't a rhetorical genius, but he wasn't called the Great Communicator because he was a Star Trek fan.

    I think he was called that primarily because he communicated clear simple messages about complex topics. Unfortunately, those topics were actually complex and his simple messages were either factually inaccurate, or philosophically vapid.

  • ||

    NM, about which words you are gonna use. You of all people should know the importance. It is you that argues with folks about how they said something as much what they said.

  • ||

    Plaque is a figment of the liberal media and the dental industry to scare you into buying useless appliances and pastes. Now, I've heard the arguments on both sides, and there is nothing to convince me of the need to brush your teeth.

    Master Shake

  • Neu Mejican||

    brotherben,

    Ahhh...yes. I blame the stroke.

  • ||

    NM, good thing you're not a politician. Not being able to talk out of both sides of your mouth is a major impediment.

  • ||

    Epi, I get my teeth cleaned every two years whether they need it or not.;]

  • Neu Mejican||

    brotherben,

    Indeed. And I also have this thing where I think the substance of a proposal matters more than who likes it.

  • Neu Mejican||

    I also think it matters more "what" was said, than "who" said it. Another handicap in politics.

  • T||

    Fire! Fire! Fire!

    Beavis

  • ||

    NM,

    You're just disapproving the message. Reagan at least delivered some content, unlike the current president.

    You know who I saw speak who I thought was really good? George Will. He was a luncheon speaker at an ABA convention I attended in the 90s. Also, I asked a question and provoked him into praising libertarians. I should've kept asking him such questions during the Bush years.

  • ||

    and then talking for 20 minutes about shoes and his experience selling shoes for his father.

    I think someone did get "a word in about shoe or textile quota legislation." just that one person was not Kennedy.

  • Neu Mejican||

    The government that seems the most unwise,
    Oft goodness to the people best supplies;
    That which is meddling, touching everything,
    Will work but ill, and disappointment bring.

    If rulers take too much grain
    People rapidly starve;
    If rulers take too much freedom
    People easily rebel;
    If rulers take too much happiness.
    People gladly die.

    By not interfering the sage improves the people's lives.

    The more morals and taboos there are,
    The more cruelty afflicts people;
    The more guns and knives there are,
    The more factions divide people;
    The more arts and skills there are,
    The more change obsoletes people;
    The more laws and taxes there are,
    The more theft corrupts people.

    Yet take no action, and the people nurture each other;
    Make no laws, and the people deal fairly with each other;
    Own no interest, and the people cooperate with each other;
    Express no desire, and the people harmonize with each other.

    Okay, so maybe sound bites are bit older than Reagan.

  • Neu Mejican||

    Pro Lib,

    No, it is not about disapproving of his message. William Buckley Jr. had substantive arguments, Reagan, not so much.

    Reagan was good at making people who agreed with them feel comfortable with their beliefs, but I don't think he was very good at all at convincing those whom he disagreed with of the validity of his position. To my mind, a great communicator will be able to communicate effectively to both sides.

  • ||

    I think he was called that primarily because he communicated clear simple messages about complex topics. Unfortunately, those topics were actually complex and his simple messages were either factually inaccurate, or philosophically vapid.

    The left hate Reagan simply because he proved that big spending and low taxes is better then big spending and high taxes. Essentially destroying the left's inequality argument in regards to taxes.

    And leaves them with arguing against a balanced budget if they want to keep their big ship afloat.

    Matt on the other hand actually has a reasoned position for disliking the man. Neu Mejican is just a lefty sore loser.

  • ||

    Reagan was good at making people who agreed with them feel comfortable with their beliefs, but I don't think he was very good at all at convincing those whom he disagreed with of the validity of his position. To my mind, a great communicator will be able to communicate effectively to both sides.

    Yeah...that must be why he had such a hard time getting Democrats to vote for him in two elections....

    oh wait!

  • Neu Mejican||

    Joshua,

    The left hate Reagan simply because he proved that big spending and low taxes is better then big spending and high taxes.

    He "proved" that? Really? Reagan?

    Like I said, if you agreed with him, Reagan made you feel good about your beliefs.

  • Neu Mejican||

    Matt on the other hand actually has a reasoned position for disliking the man. Neu Mejican is just a lefty sore loser.

    Which is why I pulled quotes related to Iran contra and spent all this time ranting about his economic policies.

    O.K.

  • ||

    Yeah, Reagan is quite famous for getting votes from both parties. The far left hated him, but they didn't hold the sway they do today.

    Presidents don't do what you're talking about, NM. Platitudes and anecdotes are about the best you can expect. Let's not forget their audience, either, before we get too snooty about this. If I were to become president in a freak accident, I'd likely present my libertarian agenda in a fairly simple way. With AC/DC's "For Those About to Rock" playing in the background. Live.

  • ||

    He "proved" that? Really? Reagan?

    Quick whoever would like to live from 1930-1940 rather then 1980-1990 raise your hand.

  • Neu Mejican||

    Now, to be fair to Joshua, I, of course, did pull the quote where he explained that his deficit spending was nothing to worry about...

  • Neu Mejican||

    Pro Lib,

    Sure,sure, but then you'd only get old men to vote for you...well, maybe not, what with Rock Band bringing back the oldies.

  • ||

    There's a Trader Joe's on my way home, but I haven't been there in a bit (I take a ferry and don't want to lug grocery bags on there).

    They have some good deals on reasonably tasty beer. And they sell a garlic salsa that is the hog's nozzle.


    As I frequently lament, we have no beer in supermarkets in MD.

    I;m not that crazy about their garlic salsa. In fact, I don't think any of them are all that good. Decent off-the-shelf salsa is mighty hard to come by and I'm too damn lazy to make my own, but Green Mountain makes a dandy garlic salsa. Whole Foods has a decent selection too, but I swore off TJ's, which I used to really dig.

    Overall, I enjoyed Juggler of Worlds, too.

    NO SPOILERS, DAMNIT.

  • Phantom Limb||

    an upcoming autobiography excerpted in today's New York Times



    Ghost-written.



    Fucking awesome.

  • ||

    NM,

    When I have one child (11) who loves the Beatles and MJ (go figure), and another (almost 17) who walks around the house humming Cream's "Sunshine of Your Love", I'm figuring that my music is lasting longer than what's been coming out the last two decades. And, as you note, that's pretty clear in the games they're playing, too.

    About deficit spending: It's not necessarily bad in and of itself; it's bad when the deficit you're talking about is astronomical. It wasn't so until Bush II. The problem is, of course, that if you let government do it at all, it'll abuse the credit card, buying lots of booze, whores, and fast cars.

  • Neu Mejican||

    Quick whoever would like to live from 1930-1940 rather then 1980-1990 raise your hand.

    Tee-hee.
    Yeah, the 80's...government shrinks, no unemployment, no recessions, just growth, growth, growth.

  • Neu Mejican||

    Pro Lib,

    Joshua is trying to have an argument with some far left chimera in his head. I am very much a moderate. I generally agree. But Reagan lovers always want to paint him as shrinking government (he didn't), reducing spending (he didn't), reducing the rate of spending (he didn't), reducing deficits (he didn't), reducing governments role in people's lives (he didn't).

    He spoke libertarian, but he did not govern that way.

  • Neu Mejican||

    Pro Lib,

    Recently I heard a 7 year old humming California Uber Alles. It is just old men marketing their music to kids via video games...that's my take.

  • ||

    NM,

    Beat the goddamned 70s, which were only good for movies, some music, and bad clothes.

    I agree about Reagan. He was rhetorically and even likely personally a libertarian in many respects, but his zeal to defeat the Soviets took precedence, so he did far less for limited government than he might have in different circumstances.

    What's interesting about his elections is that people really were voting for smaller government. The 60s and 70s had created a huge amount of distrust and disgust for government-managed anything.

  • Neu Mejican||

    Pro Lib,

    Don't get me wrong, I am an optimist. I think each decade of my life has been better than the last...Now this decade has certainly done its best to erode that optimism, but I think, on the whole, things are still improving, despite the fact that we are now in the worst recession since the two we had back to back during Reagan's days.

  • alan||

    About a month ago I heard my cousin's fifteen year old daughter sing, Jesus want you fucking whistle something that will pass the time. I was so proud of the little skank.

  • T||

    The 60s and 70s had created a huge amount of distrust and disgust for government-managed anything.

    I guess we're on the backside of that pendulum swing.

  • robc||

    Wasnt there a recent piece about how Reagan used to keep going off on gold bug ideas and his staff kept him from doing it publicly. He was more libertarian than his GOP staff (duh), but he listened to them.

    I know they kept editing his "Tear down this wall" bit out of his speech and he kept adding it back in.

  • ||

    The president and Congress are working hard to restore that level of trust, don't worry.

  • ||

    Decent off-the-shelf salsa is mighty hard to come by and I'm too damn lazy to make my own

    Do you know how easy it is to make delicious fresh salsa?

    4 large ripe tomatoes, quartered
    1 small onion, peeled and quartered
    2 cloves garlic, peeled
    1 handful cleaned cilantro
    1 small jalapeno, seeded
    1 can diced or whole roasted green chiles
    2 limes
    salt and pepper to taste

    Put everything in the food processor except the limes. Puree. Leave it a little chunkier if you like. Add salt; this is critical that you add enough, but don't over salt. Taste, and add limes if you want it tangier.

    Done. Substitute tomatillos for salsa verde. Add more hot peppers for more heat.

  • ||

    Come, Episiarch, let us be frank. You can't grow your own cilantro. Be ashamed.

  • DJF||

    J sub D writes """"""Reagan - Pro communist.
    Kennedy - Fighting imports for any reason other than protectionism.

    That is not the dumbest thing I've read on the internet this week. Maybe today, but not the whole week.""""""

    No, the dumbest thing is to believe what politicians say and not look at what politicians do. American politicians including Ronnie love to talk about freedom and democracy but as we see around the world they will support left or right dictatorships if that dictatorship will supply cheap labor or resources. How many years have US politicans told the lie that "free trade" with China will bring freedom, instead it just rewards the dictators of China and the scum in the US who trade with their sweatshops. The Communist Party in China is just as much in control as when the US first started trading with them while scum like Goldman Sachs who got rich on fake free trade have used that money to buy the US government.

  • robc||

    1 small jalapeno, seeded

    Wuss.

  • ||

    Come, Episiarch, let us be frank. You can't grow your own cilantro. Be ashamed.

    I can't grow shit, ProL. I have a black thumb. Thank Jeebus I can cook so well.

    1 small jalapeno, seeded

    Wuss.


    Overpowering food with caspaicin is gauche and unsophisticated, rob. Would you put a bunch of serranos in a batch of your beer?

  • ||

    You can't be a man until you can grow and kill your own herbs.

    As for jalapeños, well, I think the amount should be to taste. I'd prefer more than one myself, but if I wanted jalapeño salsa, I'd chop up fifty of them.

  • ||

    Put everything in the food processor except the limes.

    Food processor? What's that?

    Yeah, yeah, it's easy. I'll spare you the details of my miserable life, but such will not be done for a few more years until the family unit crosses that fine line between insanity and sanity, between darkness and light. Until then, I'm drinking heavily in the basement.

    And I like my peppers smoked.

  • ||

    Food processor? What's that?

    It's a servant with a very sharp knife, preferably constructed by the Germans or Japanese.

    Food processing machines, on the other hand, are for the heathen.

  • Bishop Watts||

    "Until then, I'm drinking heavily in the basement"

    You could buy a food processor at Target or Wal-Mart for about $19-$39. You can earn that mowing a lawn or two. Granted, a Wall Mart model isn't Viking or Cuisinart, but it'll make salsa. And you could still afford to drink in the basement. Even Margarita's

    But of course there is something to be said about the rustic authenticity of hand diced salsa.

  • Warty||

    Would you put a bunch of serranos in a batch of your beer?

    I have been looking for ways to use up this year's jalapeno/habanero bumper crop. I can only roast so many jalapenos with steaks, you know.

  • Neu Mejican||

    Epi,

    That sounds like Seattle-grade salsa.

    First rule of good Salsa...by volume, it should be mostly chile. The other ingredients are there to enhance the chile, not the other way around.

    And when I say chile, I don't mean no stinking jalepeno or Anaheim...I am talking New Mexico Green or Red Chile. You can add something hotter if you want to, but the flavor comes from using real chiles.

    I prefer mine without onions, but that is up for debate.

  • Neu Mejican||

    And for the record, "Seattle grade salsa" is about as low-grade as it gets.

  • Neu Mejican||

    Can't wait for RC Dean to come around telling us to put sugar in the salsa...

    Which only makes sense if your tomato to chile ratio is off...if your salsa is too acidic, add more chile.

  • Neu Mejican||

    And, of course, never, ever use canned chile for anything. Yuck.

  • Tim Cavanaugh||

    The senator said it had been difficult to get Reagan to focus on policy matters. He described a meeting with him that he and other senators had sought to press for shoe and textile import limits.

    ZZZZZZZZ! FBFBFBFBFBFBFBFBFBBBB! ZZZZZZZZZ! FBFBFBFBFBFBFBFBFBFBFBBBBB! SLRP SLRP! ZZZZ--

    Uh!

    Huh!

    Whew, somebody say shoe and textile imports?

    YHHEEEACCCHHH! Uh, excuse me.

    I think I've figured out why the gipper couldn't focus.

  • ||

    Neu, I can only work with what is available. I could get more fresh chiles in CT than I can in Seattle.

    And for the record, "Seattle grade salsa" is about as low-grade as it gets.

    "This salsa was made in New York City."

    "New York City?!?"

  • Neu Mejican||

    Epi,

    Act now, both QFC and Whole Foods are carrying "Hatch" Chiles from NM.

  • Warty||

    Epi, you're deficient as a human being if you can't even grow peppers. Srsly.

  • ||

    Where am I going to grow peppers, Warty? In the Zen Garden in my apartment building?

    I don't grow things. I buy things from people who grow things.

  • ||

    Epi and Warty, the Laurel and Hardy of the internet. I wonder which one is the fat one?

  • ||

    I wonder which one is the fat one?

    Is that a rhetorical question? His name is Warty. That's like being named Porky or Saddlebags.

  • ||

    NM:


    i'm w/ ya on the canned. but the chile they grow down in hatch is the same as cal anaheim. big jim, or whatever you wanna call it. the dif is the soil in NM makes for superior chile and the regional preference is for a hotter more flavorful chile...

    the crap you but in the market outside of the sonoran SW of NM and AZ is just bland and generally not as fresh because the people who don't live there don't have the same taste for chile like we do in AZ & NM.

    after some time in dallas, i did get used to the poblano and learn to appreciate the flavor, but it's still not the same...

    that being said, the NM side of my family disagrees with the AZ side over things as simple as the right way to make enchilada sauce...

  • Neu Mejican||

    ransom147,

    i'm w/ ya on the canned. but the chile they grow down in hatch is the same as cal anaheim. big jim, or whatever you wanna call it. the dif is the soil in NM makes for superior chile and the regional preference is for a hotter more flavorful chile...

    That's not actually true.
    The Anaheim is a different (far inferior) variety of the same family of chiles. The Anahiem was brought to California in the late 19th century by Emilio Ortega. That's the chile they grow in California. It wasn't for another 20 years or so that the NM chile as we know it today was developed by Fabian Garcia.

    The New Mexico #9, that Fabian developed had much better flavor and more heat. All the popular varieties grown today are hybrids developed from the #9.

    So they are "the same" in the sense that a table grape and a chardonnay are "the same," but you wouldn't confuse the two based on flavor or sophistication.

  • ||

    NM:

    yes, that is agreeable. my wholly regional and less scientific point is that the chile are of the same extraction. aside from that, i know more about the history of the chile than i did before so thanks! i can only be glad what i lacked in background i could taste on my fork. for flavor and heat, the NM chile is immeasurably better. odd that in cal they did not pick up on the better fruit, but i guess that's because they just don't like their chile like we do...

    the only thing close to being as good as fresh picked chile, is the smell of it roasting.

  • ||

    Reagan spent something like a decade honing his craft as a speaker. Also, like Eisenhower he purposefully gave the impression that he was not a person who liked to go into great detail or be hands on. He was a reasonably intelligent man, but he was no intellectual. The latter is not required of the President and is probably not all that useful either.

    He also tended to tick off conservatives by quoting Thomas Paine. The fact that he was such a sunny optimist ticked off both Democrats and Republicans. I think that is in part what still infuriates some people about him.

    NM,

    As for the debt issue, Reagan specifically said on a number of occasions that was the most problematic aspect of his administration; what he was most deeply disappointed about regarding it.

  • Neu Mejican||

    ransom147,

    More than you want to know perhaps, but more info on NM Chiles.

    http://aces.nmsu.edu/pubs/research/horticulture/RR719.pdf

    http://mfnmfoods.com/chili/index.php/New-Mexico/N.M.-Chile-Pepper.html

    It should be noted that some of the heirloom varieties (Chimayo, etc...) are older than the #9, and are still grown in NM. They have a distinctive flavor. Chimayo are particularly good for red chile. Ortega brought one of the milder of these older varieties to California. And, the climate and soil do matter, as any farmer knows.

  • Abdul||

    What the Gipper was saying: "Are those real suede? Boy, that brings me back to when I was working in my old man's shoe store. . . "

    What the Gipper was thinking: "Fuck shoe imports. I'm authorizing John Tower to go into Afghanistan and bring me back a Ruskie's ears."

  • ||

    You can't be a man until you can grow and kill your own herbs.



    I have to admit that I have trouble with cilantro and parsley. Mexican coriander I've had more success with.

    But I have oregano that's growing like fucking kudzu.

    I don't seem to have much luck with peppers. I think maybe Florida is too humid. Maybe the altitude too.

    I'd like to find out how to be more consistent because when I have grown my own peppers they were the best.

  • ||

    NM: thanks for the info on the heirloom, i'll have to add it to my collection.

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