Nick Gillespie | August 26, 2009
A few weeks ago at
Reason.com, Patrick Courrielche wrote about the art community's
seemingly uncritical embrace of Barack Obama. Since that piece
appeared, he was invited to participate in a National Endowment of
the Arts telecon in which that august body plainly suggested that
artists get with the "recovery" program:
Backed by the full weight of President Barack Obama's call to service and the institutional weight of the NEA, the conference call was billed as an opportunity for those in the art community to inspire service in four key categories, and at the top of the list were "health care" and "energy and environment." The service was to be attached to the President's United We Serve campaign, a nationwide federal initiative to make service a way of life for all Americans.
It sounded, how should I phrase it...unusual, that the NEA would invite the art community to a meeting to discuss issues currently under vehement national debate. I decided to call in, and what I heard concerned me.
Courrielche reviews the historical mission of the NEA and the way the agency has worked over the years and asks, "Do you think it is the place of the NEA to encourage the art community to address issues currently under legislative consideration?"
Whole thing here. It's really pretty disturbing (maybe not surprising, but still disturbing) and definitely worth reading.
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Art should serve the state.
P.S. If I had more time, I could solve everything. In this case,
I'd try to hold non-BHO admin public officials accountable and that
might include FOIA requests. Too bad Reason and "BigHollywood"
don't go in for that activism/reporting thing but just
opine.
"Do you think it is the place of the NEA to encourage the
art community to address issues currently under legislative
consideration?"
Just another mouth on the government teet. The difference is now
most of the bunnyhugging, tofu eating, naked paint throwing art
community has someone that agrees with the. Not surprised. It's the
same as GE seeking rents and pushing it's people to support the
administration.
About that picture.
It kinda looks like Obama is committing an "unnatural act" with
that horse.
NTTAWWT.
Ahhh, this is not a serious article. You are just using this as an excuse to fight American obesity by posting that image yet again. Nice public service.
Why is it that progressives have no radar for the creepy factor when it comes to state sponsored culture?
Uh, yeah. As wrongheaded as the NEA is, I think overtly funding art to advance the ruling party's political agenda might be, um, wrongheadeder.
Watch it, Paul, the Godwin police are out. I got caught when I
inadvertently called Hitler the "Lion of the Reichstag." Well,
maybe not that inadvertently.
You think Mike gets a commission every time someone calls out a
fulfillment of his law? Frankly, I think he should stop practicing
law and just go around calling people out: "You just me'd this
thread, dude."
robc
Didn't want to look at it that closely. From the angle, I assumed
it was supposed to be a spear that he was carrying.
Besides, it's fairly certain that he isn't a virgin, so why should
he be riding a unicorn?
Pro Lib,
I think it might even be wrongheadedest.
And Im enjoying Juggler so far. Its filling the gaps around Neutron
Star nicely. It has the feel of a series of short stories, which
makes it Niven at his best.
Besides, it's fairly certain that he isn't a virgin, so why
should he be riding a unicorn?
That was my first thought last year when that image first appeared.
Has anyone done a paternity test on his kids?
Also, I think "I dont want to lose my ride" may be the magical era equivalent of "Ive got a headache". The unicorns dont care, but its important to the lasses to keep the story out there.
"a nationwide federal initiative to make service a way of life for all Americans"
Shut the fuck up, Mr. President.
From the angle, I assumed it was supposed to be a spear that
he was carrying.
RAAAAAAAAAACIST!!!!!!
Art should serve the state.
Ok, either LoneWhacko is fucking with us or someone is doing a bad
impersonation. Notice how everything is properly spaced and
capitalized? I smell a rat.
Last post I promise.
Has anyone done a paternity test on his kids?
They're waiting for the birth certificates to turn up. They might
have gotten 'lost' in the move.
Pro L: Duly noted.
But Obama made me do it. There is a word for state-sponsored art,
or as you astutely put it, 'art which serves the ruling party
agenda', and ironically that word starts with the first three
letters of your name.
If you ask me, this is that fastest and easiest way for Oabama
to lose the support of artists. Which is saying a lot, since
artists tend to be progressive wankers, most of them.
Anyone, nothing will creep them out and alienate them more than the
government telling them what their art should be about.
You don't think they'll be honored to do the Great Leader's
bidding?
Highly unlikely. In most socialist/communist states, the artists
were among the regimes biggest critics. Artists don't like being
told what to do, period.
Highly unlikely. In most socialist/communist states, the
artists were among the regimes biggest critics. Artists don't like
being told what to do, period.
I've never looked closely at this, but I'd bet there is a curve
starting with high support moving to resistance as such governments
become more draconian.
I've never looked closely at this, but I'd bet there is a
curve starting with high support moving to resistance as such
governments become more draconian.
See: Iranian revolution.
Ok, either LoneWhacko is fucking with us or someone is doing
a bad impersonation. Notice how everything is properly spaced and
capitalized? I smell a rat.
There have been subtle signs lately that he might be on new meds
that are working a little better.
I wonder if the guy who did the Joker poster showed up?
Anyone, nothing will creep them out and alienate them more than
the government telling them what their art should be
about.
It's not hard to lead a horse to water if he's already drunk.
I wonder if the guy who did the Joker poster showed
up?
No, he's a purveyor of degenerate art.
Paul | August 26, 2009, 7:50pm | #
I wonder if the guy who did the Joker poster showed up?
No, he's a purveyor of degenerate art.
OH NO! They took my job!
You guys aren't getting it. Almost every "artist" or "aspiring artist" I know is really a self-absorbed egoist. Telling them their art should be about something other than their personal demons would be like ... well, like telling Obama he's not really the president of the US. IOW, you're likely to be met with a black stare of incomprehension followed by hostility.
Chalk this up as item #5832047 that would make "progressives" mad as hell if it were done under the Bush administration but now that Obama is "president" (it that is what you can call his serial incompetence) they will either not utter a single fucking word of protest or will act like it is totally awesome.
"Highly unlikely. In most socialist/communist states, the
artists were among the regimes biggest critics. Artists don't like
being told what to do, period."
As evidenced by the high volume of art being produced now that is
highly critical of the Obama administration. Oh, wait....
"If you ask me, this is that fastest and easiest way for Oabama
to lose the support of artists.'
Yeah, because artists just hate being given money to glorify a man
that most of them already think is a Messiahesque figure.
FTA: " ... bare with us as we learn the language so that we can
speak to each other safely ..."
"Bare with us." Yep, sounds like my crowd.
Anybody who thinks that artists are going to churn out political
art lockstep with a particular agenda doesn't know any
artists.
Of course art should be political, but government funded art is a
whole lot different than government commissioned art. Any political
art funded by the government is more likely to be embarrassing to
the government than to push its agenda, regardless of who is in
power.
Even Shakespeare was funded by the crown, yet spent much of his
plays ridiculing the government.
If artists were interested in being bribed to produce art with a
specific agenda, they'd get lucrative jobs in advertising, rather
than going through tons of hoops for the hope of a meager pittance
of a government grant to go along with the income they get serving
you Fajitas and Margueritas on Friday night.
If artists were interested in being bribed to produce art
with a specific agenda, they'd get lucrative jobs in advertising,
rather than going through tons of hoops for the hope of a meager
pittance of a government grant
Except that advertising involves evil corporations and profit. Most
of the artists I know are already true believers, so they won't
really see it as being bribed. Instead I think they will see it as
finally getting to make the art they wanted to all along if only
there were an enlightened government. Also, most of the artists I
know also have taken classes on how to get a government grant, and
are well practiced.
*disclaimer* I went to an art school in Los Angeles.
I'm still waiting for these "shocking" and "courageous" artists
to bring us Piss Mohammed.
I guess no one wants to star in the rebuttal jihadist performance
art piece.
At the risk of being accused of comparing Obama to Hitler, but didn't have an entire ministry devoted to having art serve the interests of the party in power?
Anybody who thinks that artists are going to churn out
political art lockstep with a particular agenda doesn't know any
artists.
I'm not seeing a whole lot of out of stepping as of late. With the
exception of satirists and a few cartoonists it looks like he has
full support and no criticism. Unless I'm missing something.
To be honest I really could care less what the art community does.
Aside from investment value most of it doesn't appeal to me.
robc,
Just finished Juggler. Not bad. I recognized a couple of
repurposed short stories within the novel, so you're not far from
right. I thought a couple of the characters read differently from
the earlier stories--Nessus in particular.
Of course art should be political, but government funded art
is a whole lot different than government commissioned
art.
How do you get the commission? I don't see any cheques in my
mailbox.
I'm still waiting for these "shocking" and "courageous"
artists to bring us Piss Mohammed.
The government is withholding commissions on that.
Artists don't like being told what to do, period.
Give them an ultraprogressive like Obama, and a gub'ment stipend,
and they'll be producing what they're told almost without
asking.
"I'm still waiting for these "shocking" and "courageous"
artists to bring us Piss Mohammed."
What would be the point? Piss Christ made a lot of artistic sense.
In Christianity, Christ died on a cross to take upon Himself all of
mankind's ugly sins, much as urine cleanses the body of its
poisons. And the crucifix itself, which has been devalued into
something you hand from your rear view mirror no longer conveyed
the horror of that sacrifice.
It amazes me the people who are uninterested in interacting with
art. That piece, that so many consider outrageous, could easily be
considered one of the most profound contemporary religious works of
art.
Piss Mohammed would be a meaningless poker-dog painting
commissioned by some right wing talk show host.
Piss Mohammed would be a meaningless poker-dog painting
commissioned by some right wing talk show host.
Now, Fuck Mohammed, on the other hand.....
Lulu! bring me my pallette and some black velvet!
Or perhaps an alternative bodily substance.
MUHAMMED WITH PEANUTS...I can see it now.
I would also settle for "Allah With Elephant
Dung."
Now that has some promise.
People have done "Piss Mohammed". They were the Danish Cartoons.
At least the Mohammed with the exploding turban is about as
offensive to Muslims as Piss Christ, I'm sure.
Secondly there isn't a lot of art critical of Obama because there
isn't a lot of art about Obama at all. Even among political art,
not a lot of it is focused on specific politicians.
There's no question that most of the arts community is left
leaning, but the Obamanoids aren't the same slice of society. The
Obama worshippers are mainstream partisan liberal Democrats. The
arts community is largely made up of anarchists, progressives,
greens, and verious other striped of insane wacked out radical.
IMO, the general egotism of the arts community leads most of them
to want to invent their own personal political philosophy to
compete to out-radical eachother. Not many of these people are
capable of worshipping anyone except themselves.
Not many of these people are capable of worshipping anyone
except themselves.
And Obama support consists almost entirely of a kind of vicarious
self-worship, so they'll do what they're told.
I think Hazel's take is pretty accurate. Most artists are pretty self-absorbed, present company excluded ;).
Self-absorbed? Much like Dear Leader, the DX of Narcissistic
Personality Disorder could be applied to most serious
artists.
I wonder what the ratio of NPD to brilliance (compelling art)
is.
Excepting interpretive dance of course :-)
Good point Groovus Maximus. And for anybody that thinks most 'serious' artists will simply tow the Obama admin lion, what happens, theoretically, when you put two narcissists in the same room?
It's not a matter of getting artists to produce propaganda, it's a matter of getting those that already do popularized and published...and ignoring those you don't like. After all the NYT art critic has a lot to choose from, why not pick smtg that'll make the editor happy?
Secondly there isn't a lot of art critical of Obama because
there isn't a lot of art about Obama at all.
WTF?
In the last year, I have seen more Obama artwork than I have all
other US Presidents combined in my lifetime. And Im not talking on
the internet, Ive seen it in person. And I dont normally go to
artsy type places.
Although, I did attend a benefit back in Feb, just after the
inauguration at a gallery/winery and they apparently had an Obama
theme going. So the numbers added up quick.
In the last year, I have seen more Obama artwork than I have
all other US Presidents combined in my lifetime.
Obama *craftwork*, perhaps.
And I get more done all day than most people do by 9am!
It will just destroy art. Other than a couple of Russian films made under Stalin, state sponsored propeganda has always been just that; state sponsored propeganda. I have enough faith in this country not to worry about this effort having much effect. But it does amount to a suicide pact that artists are signing with Obama.
This phone call broke the law.
When Karl Rove held conference calls demanding that the employees
of government agencies find a way to focus their efforts on
activities that would advance GOP political issues, he was breaking
the law. The only reason he was not charged is because the law in
this country doesn't apply to the powerful.
This is the Obama administration version of that. The artists
aren't government employees, but somebody on that
conference call was a government employee. This activity was
completely illegal.
Yes, artists tend to have strong egos, so I'll buy the argument
that they can't easily be pushed into doing Obama's
bidding.
But couldn't they be flattered into doing so? Don't
artists dream that their work will change the world? I would think
that could be used to play them.
"...ohhh, your art is just sooooo powerful! I was so moved, and
Michelle cried! Just think you could single-handedly give all
Americans universal healthcare! You could end global warming!
blahblahblah!"
the conference call was billed as an opportunity for those
in the art community to inspire service in four key categories, and
at the top of the list were "health care"
I think this is a splendid idea. I would like to see a WPA-style
mural of a cluster of doctors fighting over the wallet of an
injured, bloody crash victim.
OK, now I have RTFA, and these mofos know it's illegal,
so this is not some honest newbie mistake.
The article quotes the end of the conference call:
"This is just the beginning. This is the first telephone call of a
brand new conversation. We are just now learning how to really
bring this community together to speak with the government. What
that looks like legally?…bare with us as we learn the language so
that we can speak to each other safely…"
They are openly admitting this is illegal and are going to try to
devise a "language" that evades the law.
That piece, that so many consider outrageous, could easily
be considered one of the most profound contemporary religious works
of art.
By you, possibly.
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In the last year, I have seen more Obama artwork than I have
all other US Presidents combined in my lifetime.
Wait 'til they issue the thousand-dollar Federal Reserve Note with
Obama on it.
P Brooks, they can't do him an money till he's dead. You know something we don't?
I don't know about this "artists won't participate" stuff. Look
back at the WPA and other government art programs during the new
deal.
"Work began immediately on the WPA's Federal Project Number One.
Known as "Federal One," the project comprised five major divisions:
the Federal Art Project, the Federal Music Project, the Federal
Theatre Project, the Federal Writers Project and the Historical
Records Survey. Each was headed by a national director. Just one
year after the five national directors first met in Washington,
some 40,000 WPA artists and other cultural workers were employed in
projects throughout the United States.
Federal One was unique among all U.S. government efforts, before or
since, in attempting to articulate and accomplish broad public
cultural goals. The designers of the WPA rejected the idea of
setting up a program of subsidy for existing arts organizations.
Instead of providing direct federal grants to these institutions,
WPA leaders sought to break new ground with federal cultural
support. As Federal Theatre Project director Hallie Flanagan said
of her division, "We all believed that theater was more than a
private enterprise, that it was also a public interest which,
properly fostered, might come to be a social and educative force."
{4}"
Sounds rather like a propaganda program to me.
http://www.wwcd.org/policy/US/newdeal.html
I don't necessarily know something you don't, but it's only fitting that the person responsible for bringing jumbo-denomination bills into circulation should be immortalized for it.
I want to know who these people participating in this propaganda are so I can blacklist them out of my life. I will refuse to patronize their work as long as they place themselves under this propagandistic effort.
I don't know about this "artists won't participate"
stuff.
They will if they are paid to.
They also will to support someone they approve of.
I would like to see a WPA-style mural of a cluster of doctors
fighting over the wallet of an injured, bloody crash
victim.
I was thinking more of a mural showing a windowless conference
room, littered with empty snack wrappers and coffee cups, with a
bunch of faceless bureaucrats high-fiving each other.
Isn't that the healthcare system of the future?
Also, the statement "artists won't participate" is irrelevant
because the entire reason that the NEA is a cancer is because they
can give ANYONE a check and the imprimatur of the state and MAKE
that person an artist.
It's not like NEA artists are some kind of NFL Players' Union and
if they all walk off the job we'll notice that the replacement
players suck. Every "artist" in the US could commit suicide in
protest tomorrow, and entirely new "replacements" brought in, with
no discernible change in output. If "artists" don't want to laud
Obama, Obama can throw them out and get new artists.
He can treat this like Bush treated Army commands and just fire
people one at a time until someone agrees with him and tells him
he's God. It's a big country: out of 300 million folks, there have
to be some available who will be willing to cash these checks and
paint interchangeable murals lauding the Great Leader.
"This is just the beginning. This is the first telephone call of
a brand new conversation. We are just now learning how to really
bring this community together to speak with the government. What
that looks like legally?…bare with us as we learn the language so
that we can speak to each other safely… " .. that is scary
Fluff, hit the nail on the head. Artist won't accept the money to
do the state's bidding but "Artists" who don't give a damn about
free expression will gladly take money to toe the party line. Shit,
I'll do it if the price is right. I suck as an artist but I can put
together some stupid Photoshop artwork supporting socialized
medicine.
This is the first telephone call of a brand new
conversation.
There's that word again, "conversation." As Ann Althouse pointed
out recently, it has somehow been turned into an Orwellian code
word that means something quite different. It's practically a
euphemism for diktat, or central plan.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/08/are-we-having-conversation-yet.html
Typical Artist:
Obama *craftwork*, perhaps.
Obama Kraftwerk? That I'd pay to hear.
John:
But it does amount to a suicide pact that artists are signing
with Obama.
Yep.
BTW: I'm a bit new here. What is a 24aheaddotcom and does
it do anything except (1) spout pseudosocratic gibberish and (2)
congratulate itself for holding forth on 60-year-old bad
ideas?
I checked out its site and it amounts to "write your congressman".
Yeah, dude, that's worked out just peachy, hasn't it?
Thanks, and cheers -
T
Also, the statement "artists won't participate" is
irrelevant because the entire reason that the NEA is a cancer is
because they can give ANYONE a check and the imprimatur of the
state and MAKE that person an artist.
True but that just means all the artwork will be really, fucking,
bad. Anyway, thet'll alienate the arts community even more, cause
they'll see a bunch of no-talent hacks getting funded just because
they put out propagandistic messages.
Hazel Meade | August 26, 2009, 7:10pm | #
"Highly unlikely. In most socialist/communist states, the artists
were among the regimes biggest critics. Artists don't like being
told what to do, period."
Large swaths of our intelligentsia tends to fancy themselves
artists... they're not really... and they're ready and willing to
go in the tank for leftist ideology.
Just like its cool to pass yourself off as an intellectual (without
doing the heavy lifting of reading and thinking a lot)…. Alas it is
quite similar to 'acting' like an artist….
So, I'm not holding my breath for the backlash. If it comes at all
it will be from resentments when the election glow wears off...
Otherwise the people I'm talking about have no problems being given
marching orders... they're collectivists...
Hazel Meade | August 27, 2009, 12:34pm | #
"True but that just means all the artwork will be really, fucking,
bad."
True, goes hand in hand with my point above.
P Brooks | August 27, 2009, 9:40am | #
"I think this is a splendid idea. I would like to see a WPA-style
mural of a cluster of doctors fighting over the wallet of an
injured, bloody crash victim."
Or a motley bunch of clerks sitting at their desks in a counter row
titled 1984 DMV on one side. Have the same people in the same
stances in a more modern office but at desks titled 2010 Public
Employee Claims Adjusters.
Between the two say Our Glorious Future Awaits! Do some of those
Moaist sunbursts / light rays that are back in style…
Trouble, 24ahdc has been harassing the Reason staff for years, originally using the handle Lonewolf, I think. Whatever he writes, someone will ultimately say "STFU lonewacko". He thinks Reason should do more to expose the fraud Obama, which is where he has a point. Reason's had a kind of Donovan McNabb sportswriter approach to Obama, maybe for fear of being called racists. How right they were! He also chides the site for its open border ideals.
I believe the arts are critically important in our society. By
"the arts" I of course mean those things produced by, or excreted
by, artists of some sort.
For extra artisticness, these artists and the arts they make should
be courageous and not afraid to address various important
controversial issues, such as painting Hitler mustaches on George
Bush and so forth.
painting Hitler mustaches on George Bush and so
forth.
The very essence of added artistic value; however, photoshopping
whiteface onto the beatific visage of the Ascended One...
I think the caption "L.H.O.O.Q." might've worked better. Or "This is not a pipe".
painting Hitler mustaches on George Bush and so
forth.
We shall not again see that magnitude of bravery in our lifetimes,
I think.
There are good little Eichmanns and there are bad little Eichmanns. These are the good kind.
Somebody needs to come up with the propaganda posters. Stalin redux.......
Brian O | August 27, 2009, 3:29pm | #
"We shall not again see that magnitude of bravery in our lifetimes,
I think."
Ah, you're bringing back a memory... back in 02... the first time I
heard a sanctimonious lefty I was standing next to say someone was
'very brave' for saying some insane irrational thing about GWB
(also standing next to me).... I didn't get it at the time... when
I did I thought it would be contained to immature idiots like the
two I was hanging out with… I guess I was half wrong and half
right… I just didn't realize how many people that pass as adults…
are immature idiots…. The last stand was that Booosh would not hand
over power after the election…
(Seemed to have lost my first comment, sorry if this
reconstruction is a second one)
I recommend action Now. When I first read the original article in
Big Hollywood last night, I sent an email complaint to Obama's new
head of NEA, Rocco Landesman (webmgr@arts.endow.gov was the NEA
address I could find). And I CC'd it to my Congressman and
Senators.
If you can think of something better, go for it, but don't just sit
here and chat. If we just talk among ourselves, we contribute to
the problem, the erosion of "Free Minds, Free Markets".
How can anyone be called a Racist when commenting on this piece of artwork ... unless you are neither black nor white .. since that is what the president is ... correct!!!
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