Matt Welch | April 27, 2009
I
was walking to the neighborhood hardware store Saturday morning
when I noticed that the two little bank branches across the street
had had their windows bashed in. "Wha happen?" I
asked one of D.C.'s finest.
"IMF protesters," she replied.
Jigga-what??
Protesting the International Monetary Fund by smashing up and spray-painting a PNC bank and Wachovia branch in Logan Circle a mile and a half away is roughly akin to registering your dissatifaction with a New York Stock Exchange meeting on Wall Street by urinating on some Greenwich Village ATMs.
Actually, it's even worse: Considering that some of the deadliest urban riots in United States history were epicentered just five blocks north up 14th St., and that the neighborhood is only now getting around to coming back, demonstrating against the IMF by creating a plywood-on-window-frames situation in an area that has long suffered from violence and blight is like...uh, fighting the rich by kicking a bum? Protesting the pope by slapping a Muslim? I confess that, unlike Tea Party-hater Marc Cooper, I have never much understood, let alone championed, the anti-globalization protesters that have been dogging IMF/World Bank meetings for more than a decade now.
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Protesters like to protest. The cause is irrelevant. And smashing windows is fun (just watch Bonnie and Clyde).
Some men can't be bought or reasoned with. Some men simply want to watch the world burn.
For some people, wanton destruction is a bug in the ideology;
for others, it's a feature.
Fuck these idiots, yo.
Ha! Three comments that all say pretty much the same thing. reason got a zeitgeist, yo.
Some men can't be bought or reasoned with. Some men simply
want to watch the world burn
Same goes for the punk-ass kids who show up to riots like
this.
-jcr
They are just scum. Ignorant scum. Imagine for a moment what the response by the media would be if some tea party protestors broke the windows on a post office? Then contrast that response to the media's nodding acceptance of this kind of crap.
They are only listening to those iPods manufactured abroad, wearing those clothes manufactured abroad and eating that food made from imported foodstuffs because they are forced to. They don't really want to.
...protesting bestiality by raping an infant?
...protesting _______ by _______?
There have to be some mroe good ones.
I'd be careful, guys -- they might come for you next.
I doubt they look upon you with any greater love than Cato, whose
windows they smashed last year.
You mean they are not just misunderstood and disenfranchised
youth who only wish for fairness in the world?
Shocking!
"I'd be careful, guys -- they might come for you next."
I have a large weapons collection and none of them have ever been
fired in anger. I seriously doubt I am living well enough to ever
be granted the pleasure of picking off IMF protestor scum. But we
can always hope I guess.
There have to be some mroe good ones.
Protesting the growth of the state by voting for the Incumbent
Party?
I'd be careful, guys -- they might come for you
next.
They will never find the secret commandpost at 3415 S. Sepulveda
Blvd.
Suite 400
Los Angeles, CA 90034
Nor the backup command post on Conn. Ave. near Dupont Circle. The
Capitalist Cloaking Technology is just too powerful.
Besides, the Cosmotarians never wear their top hats outside of the
office anyway.
Look, people are stupid. Upon realization of that you can either
wallow in despair or work to change it.
Slate writer calls
government-issued credit cards a "market-based solution."
I choose to wallow.
"Actually, it's even worse: Considering that some of the
deadliest urban riots in United States history were epicentered
just five blocks north up 14th St."
Buy a hint. Little enough has changed in that community that people
are still inspired to violence against concentrated economic
oppression. Attacking symbols and institutions of the perceived
oppressors in poverty oppressed communities is not unheard of in
history. You might even say its epicenter in modern history can be
found in the U.S. Revolution.
That this attack happened within spitting distance of a
neighborhood with a history of violent reactions to the oppression
of poverty should give pause to the gravity of the economic
upheaval in our national capital, in this country and around the
world.
They are only listening to those iPods manufactured abroad,
wearing those clothes manufactured abroad and eating that food made
from imported foodstuffs because they are forced to. They don't
really want to.
It's all because Reagan destroyed the middle
class! Those kids all want
to work in factories, but we don't make ANYTHING in this country
anymore.
Little enough has changed in that community that people are
still inspired to violence against concentrated economic
oppression.
Would that be people who live there are busting up businesses, or
people from outside? I think, at least for your thesis, that it
matters.
Attacking symbols and institutions of the perceived oppressors
in poverty oppressed communities is not unheard of in history. You
might even say its epicenter in modern history can be found in the
U.S. Revolution.
I'm interested in your idea that the US Revolution contained any
instances of attacking the British in "poverty oppressed
communities." Examples?
Equally welcome would be examples where attacking perceived
oppressors in poverty oppressed communities has led to constructive
change and an improvement in the standard of living of residents of
said communities.
That this attack happened within spitting distance of a
neighborhood with a history of violent reactions to the oppression
of poverty should give pause to the gravity of the economic
upheaval in our national capital, in this country and around the
world.
I'd run this through Google Translator, but I don't think it would
help.
P Brooks,
These people got their degrees from hate studies programs where
book learning isn't really that valued.
Reasoning has nothing to do with it. This is a show of power: "you can't stop me from shitting in my own dog house". That will show those greedy capitalists that make me lazy and shiftless with their plasma screens and prescription mood enhancers.
I asked my liberal wife this morning, after reading about these
idiots, "Do you know what it is exactly these pencil necks are
protesting against?"
She had no idea. Neither do I.
I do love the name of the one of the .orgs that organized the
protests: Global Justice Action. I smell the next Captain
Planet cartoon characters coming on.
"I have never much understood, let alone championed, the
anti-globalization protesters that have been dogging IMF/World Bank
meetings for more than a decade now."
It's all about getting laid.
I'd run this through Google Translator, but I don't think it
would help.
Does Babelfish do pomo-to-English?
Excuse me, I speak Jive. There are two possible translations:
1. When can oppression frown a clique? A correspondence scratches revolution. The twist fudges without the smell! The inhabitant eases revolution within a unobtainable romantic. Whatever upgrade swallows without another undesirable.
2. Inside the mummy flowers a growing sunrise. Oppression comprises revolution before a correct lion. A dominating lark waits for oppression within an orchestra. After an acquired inheritance grows an exact silicon. Revolution strains below oppression. Revolution contents any downstairs freedom.
"Revolution strains below oppression. Revolution contents any
downstairs freedom."
That almost sounds like something. Virtually almost.
These people got their degrees from hate
women's servitude awareness studies programs where book
learning burning isn't really
that valued.
That took a bit o' fixin'
I know better than to attempt reasoned conversation with the
majority of the participants who control this forum. All too often
its an exercise in intellectual circle jerks that have nothing to
do with anything except to rationalize the absolute liberty of
every man's right to predatory inhumanity toward everyone
else.
There is no interest in me in playing that game.
We prefer that predatory inhumanity be distributed among people
where it can do less damage rather than concentrated in the
government.
Power keeps getting wielded in the name of the poor, the weak, and
the otherwise "disenfranchised", but I don't see anyone's plight
getting better from more redistribution of wealth or fewer limits
on government power.
What has helped the poor in some countries are things like rule of
law, limited government, free markets, and most especially the
technological progress that has occurred as a result of those
developments.
"I know better than to attempt reasoned conversation with the
majority of the participants who control this forum. All too often
its an exercise in intellectual circle jerks that have nothing to
do with anything except to rationalize the absolute liberty of
every man's right to predatory inhumanity toward everyone
else."
So that makes it ok to bust out someone else's windows? That makes
it ok to destroy other people's stuff? I wasn't aware that
destroying property that didn't belong to you was a way to stop
preditory inhumanity, whatever that means.
I know better than to attempt reasoned conversation with the
majority of the participants who control this forum.
Oh, c'mon, I asked a couple of pretty straightforward and civil
(albeit skeptical) questions.
All too often its an exercise in intellectual circle jerks that
have nothing to do with anything except to rationalize the absolute
liberty of every man's right to predatory inhumanity toward
everyone else.
See, what the libertarian regulars here are trying to do is point
out how its the state that assets a right of predatory inhumanity
toward everyone else. I mean, when it comes to predatory
inhumanity, the state pretty much owns the franchise, no?
They are just doing their part to stimulate the economy by breaking windows.
I know better than to attempt reasoned conversation
with the majority of the participants who control this forum. All
too often its an exercise in intellectual circle jerks that have
nothing to do with anything except to rationalize the absolute
liberty of every man's right to predatory inhumanity toward
everyone else. I'm a
douche.
There is no interest in me in playing that game.
FTFY.
All too often its an exercise in intellectual circle jerks
that have nothing to do with anything except to rationalize the
absolute liberty of every man's right to predatory inhumanity
toward everyone else.
Do you *really* think that was the intent of the vandals? That
pretty much covers it regardless.
Anyhoo, I don't think we're the ones jerking around the
rationalizations.
I know better than to attempt reasoned
conversation
I'm putting this one in the drink bank.
They are stupid neo-hippies that come in from the suburbs when
mommmy and daddy let them out of the house.
I wouldn't mind seeing them get baseball bats taken to their faces.
Pulp these fuckers.
Revolution strains below oppression.
That sounds Marxist. I'm putting you on a terror watch
list White House speechwriting team.
Is it just me, or is Pat not really saying anything at
all?
Let me translate his first paragraph:
"The neighborhood is still poor. People lash out at misperceptions.
Our Founding Fathers did this.
We should think about the fact that this happened in a poor black
neighborhood"
Wow, thanks for that deep intellectual thought, Pat. Jesus Christ,
can you come back when you get out of your freshman year of
college?
"Actually, it's even worse: Considering that some of the deadliest urban riots in United States history were epicentered just five blocks north up 14th St."
Buy a hint. Little enough has changed in that community that people are still inspired to violence against concentrated economic oppression. Attacking symbols and institutions of the perceived oppressors in poverty oppressed communities is not unheard of in history. You might even say its epicenter in modern history can be found in the U.S. Revolution.
You are cordially invited to my hometown. We'll take a walk down
12th Street Rosa Parks Boulevard and you can
pont out all of the positves that come with trashing a poor
neighborhood. Like the fact that there are no globalization type
businesses in sight. No banks, no factories, not even a Tim
Horton's. Hell there are no businesses in sight.
Fucking dumbass.
There is no interest in me in playing that game.
The passive voice usage was infuriating in this sentence that was
written by Pat that was read by me.
I know better than to attempt reasoned conversation with the
majority of the participants who control this forum.
So you admit your original comment was not reasonable? I agree.
I know better than to attempt reasoned conversation with the
majority of the participants who control this forum.
Pat, you seem to be under the misapprehension that someone controls
this forum. If that were the case, then wouldn't you have expected
your snotty posturing to have been deleted?
-jcr
Yeah! And, my vile response to your snotty posturing would have also been deleted.
Pat, you seem to be under the misapprehension that someone
controls this forum. If that were the case, then wouldn't you have
expected your snotty posturing to have been deleted?
Back in the Cavanaugh era, maybe...
"I know better than to attempt reasoned conversation with the
majority of the participants who control this forum."
Talk about towin' the lion! Ow! Pat had half a point, somewhere,
but s/he lost it down the stretch.
There is no interest in me in playing that game.
Not until you learn to construct a coherent sentence, anyway.
Alan,
It's not "towin' the lion", it's "Oppression comprises revolution
before a correct lion."
the absolute liberty of every man's right to predatory
inhumanity toward everyone else.
Not to pile on any further, though lord knows Pat asked for it,
but: what is with the lefty types who don't get the whole
force/fraud aspect of libertarian thought? It's wrong for you to
coerce me, and it's just as wrong for me to coerce you.
Our problem is not with whoever has the power, but with the fact
that the power exists. Fuck Pat and everyone who thinks like
him/her, yo. They're a pretty huge part of the reason everything
sucks.
While I love nothing more than kicking a man while he's down,
please stop picking on Pat.
Here's Pat's world view:
Little enough has changed in that community that people are
still inspired to violence against concentrated economic
oppression.
Pat thinks that people are poor due to "concentrated economic
oppression." You know, the top hat and monocle crowd has waged war
on the poor for centuries, cruelly tricking them into getting
pregnant at fifteen and dropping out of high school in 8th grade.
He's part of the CAPITALIST TRUTH movement. Making fun of him is
just mean, like hiding a retard's cake.
what is with the lefty types who don't get the whole
force/fraud aspect of libertarian thought? It's wrong for you to
coerce me, and it's just as wrong for me to coerce you. Our problem
is not with whoever has the power, but with the fact that the power
exists.
To put it insufficiently terse: if one assumes that, as person in a
collective of others, the collective owes you a debt for the worth
and suffering of your life -- that which you can't have controlled
(because you didn't exist yet) -- then the only reasonable social
configuration is a pure Democracy which is politically ruled,
socially lead, and economically managed by the efficient
incarnation of the collective will in the form of a benevolent
dictator.
Of course, the problem with these ideas are always misidentified on
purpose in order to allow them ways to continue. It's not that
people are greedy, and if they voted unselfishly democracy would
work. It's not that the wrong people are in charge, and if the
right ones were then government would be used "properly". It's the
idea that a collective decision carries any moral or even practical
weight, and that the government must be used as the tool to destroy
society in order to recreate it according to the collective's
current whims.
I wasn't aware that destroying property that didn't belong
to you was a way to stop preditory inhumanity, whatever that
means.
I don't think Pat got the irony of protesting 'predatory
inhumanity' by smashing up someone else's property.
In fact, I don't think the entire left really gets the irony of
protesting "oppression" by lining people up against walls and
shooting them.
It's like rioting at an anti-war protest.
the government must be used as the tool to destroy society
in order to recreate it according to the collective's current
whims
Didn't we try that in Viet Nam during Operation Cedar Rapids? "It
was necessary to destroy the village in order to save it." I don't
recall that working out so well back then, either.
I was at George Washington University when anti-globalization activists protested the World Bank. They tore up our campus shrubbery and spray painted our math building.
"They tore up our campus shrubbery..."
Shrubbery?
The Knights Who Say Nee would probably like a word with them.
As someone who had his car window smashed for sporting a Ron Paul
'08 sticker, I'm getting a kick out of the comments.
Think globally, act like a raging dickweed
locally!
We look to you to show us the way, X.
Yep.
I was actually trying to cajole somebody in explaining it back to
me in a better way, but I'll take what I can get.
"Making fun of him is just mean, like hiding a retard's
cake."
There's cake?
Didn't we try that in Viet Nam during Operation Cedar
Rapids? "It was necessary to destroy the village in order to save
it."
Ah, a famous made-up quote by a "reporter" who finally managed to
get fired from CNN because his fabrications got too much for that
excuse of a news outlet to keep him around.
the government must be used as the tool to destroy society
in order to recreate it according to the collective's current
whims.
They usually only make it past the "destroying society" part, and
then things start to go wrong.
They usually only make it past the "destroying society"
part, and then things start to go wrong CAKE IS
SERVED!!!
Protesters of IMF and WTO etc. interest me in a curious way.
Although I do not condone the violence, I agree with their
sentiment, but for vastly different reasons than they profess. They
are dead wrong on two counts and in this case two wrongs make a
right.
Firstly, they think free trade is a bad thing. Wrong. Secondly,
they think IMF and WTO actually stand for free trade. Wrong again.
There's nothing free about the trade they so closely
regulate.
So I say protest on. Just cool it on the violence.
We look to you to show us the way, X.
I'm not much for anti-globalism protests myself, T. But maybe you
could hang out in Logan Circle and pick up some pointers from the
locals.
As someone who had his car window smashed for sporting a Ron
Paul '08 sticker, I'm getting a kick out of the
comments.
In certain parts of my hometown, Obama supporters celebrated
election night by smashing cars with McCain stickers on them, and
beating the shit out of people wearing visible Republican
paraphernalia. AFTER their dude won.
In certain parts of my hometown, Obama supporters celebrated
election night by smashing cars with McCain stickers on them, and
beating the shit out of people wearing visible Republican
paraphernalia. AFTER their dude won.
badspeak be goodtouched or my power be not utilized and what
not
Ah, a famous made-up quote by a "reporter" who finally
managed to get fired from CNN because his fabrications got too much
for that excuse of a news outlet to keep him around.
Yeah, the quote is bullshit but the villages were damn sure
destroyed all the same. And it was Operation Cedar Falls. I
misremembered.
I'm not much for anti-globalism protests myself, T. But maybe
you could hang out in Logan Circle and pick up some pointers from
the locals.
Meh. Smashed windows. Amateur night. If the building ain't on fire
and partially collapsed when you leave, you're doing it wrong.
"They are just scum. Ignorant scum. Imagine for a moment what
the response by the media would be if some tea party protestors
broke the windows on a post office?"
But TEH TEABAGGERS are the forces of reaction against progress! But
these IMF protesters are just showing passion in their fight
against their global capitulist opressorz!
YEAH!
"In certain parts of my hometown, Obama supporters celebrated
election night by smashing cars with McCain stickers on them, and
beating the shit out of people wearing visible Republican
paraphernalia. AFTER their dude won."
Well, duh, it's not like he's going to punish his loyal supporters.
Plus, a lot of them were probably drunk and/or high to begin
with.
"What is with the lefty types who don't get the whole
force/fraud aspect of libertarian thought?"
It makes their brains hurt with needle-like stabs of pain. You're
not allowed to say "to each his own". You're either with us or
against us!
"I know better than to attempt reasoned conversation with the
majority of the participants who control this forum."
Given that every other day a lefty shows up to call this the
libertarian echo chamber, I really think we should add it to the
drinking game.
"Little enough has changed in that community that people are
still inspired to violence against concentrated economic
oppression."
Except for the fact that half of all IMF protestors are spoiled
upper-middle-class white kids who think that "The Man" is forcing
them to grow up. Most of them don't live in that neighborhood. And
how exactly does inhibiting economic activity in a neighborhood by
destroying property there help anybody?
"As someone who had his car window smashed for sporting a Ron
Paul '08 sticker, I'm getting a kick out of the comments."
It's especially galling when you're the one who ends up on the
terrorist watch list.
"In certain parts of my hometown, Obama supporters
celebrated election night by smashing cars with McCain stickers on
them, and beating the shit out of people wearing visible Republican
paraphernalia. AFTER their dude won."
"badspeak be goodtouched or my power be not utilized and what
not."
Thanks for the lol, I needed it.
What is with the very crude, inflamatory comments? So very few of the comments are reasoned, civil statements to be agreed or questioned with. I put in 30 years with the USN and some of the crudest of people and still do-not/cannot make such remarks with the sole purpose of irritating an opponent.
Mr Moore, I assume you're talking about the vandals who style themselves "protesters"?
Matt:
I expect better reporting from you. One can disagree on policy
issues without resorting to unfounded speculation about your
opponent's broader views. If u want to accuse me of having some
sympathy for those who oppose unregulated free markets (including
globalized ones), I plead guilty. But your insinuation that I have
any sympathy whatsoever with mindless vandals (operating in the
name of whatever higher ideals) is patently false and unfounded. I
am at a loss as to why you would make such an intellectually
dishonest suggestion. Indeed, going back to the WTO protests of
1998 (for which I did express great sympathy) I unequivocally and
publicly opposed any act of violence or property destruction.
Indeed, I was one of the few writers on the left who-- from the
onset of the anti-globalization movement-- chided anyone who
apologized for such stupidity.
I might also add one other count to which I plead guilty. Even at
my ripe old age I maintain an open mind (which makes me shy of any
rigid belief system whether it is embodied in narrow publications
like The Nation or Reason, for that matter. All that to say, my
political views have constantly evolved and shifted (and I hope
matured) as I get older. And my current position on the
anti-globalization movement in general, the IMF etc etc are not the
same as a decade ago.
Next time I see the cup of tea is on me. But in the meantime, if
you wish to beat on straw men, please go ahead. I would expect no
less from a dogmatic journal like Reason.
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