Keith Olbermann and the Ring of Assassins!

On last night's episode of Countdown, the always excitable Keith Olbermann led the show with a "bombshell allegation" from investigative reporter Seymour Hersh exposing a "covert executive assassination ring" run out of Dick Cheney's office. Or least that's what I think he said. Hersh made the sensational revelation during a speaking appearance at the University of Minnesota on Wednesday. The segment:

From a quick search of Google News, it seems as if MSNBC is the only mainstream news organization to have reported Dick's Death Squads—because, I presume, most journalists are just now remembering that Hersh insists upon a distinction between what he says to paying audiences and what he writes for the New Yorker. There is literal truth, he argues, and then there is speaks-to-a-larger-truth. As Chris Suellentrop demonstrated in New York magazine, Hersh has something of a "loose relationship with literal truth," explaining that when behind the lectern he tends to exaggerate his "scoops." (New York's headline? "Sy Hersh Says It's Okay to Lie (Just Not in Print)"). Some selections from Suellentrop's 2005 story:

"On the podium, Sy is willing to tell a story that's not quite right, in order to convey a Larger Truth. ‘I can't fudge what I write. But I can certainly fudge what I say...I find that totally not inconsistent with anything I do professionally. I'm just communicating another reality that I know, that for a lot of reasons having to do with, basically, someone else's ass, I'm not writing about it...I get paid to do speeches...And I'm not there to be on straight I'm there to tell, you know, give somebody, exchange views with people."

Reading this, it's not terribly surprising that, as he told an interviewer in 1984, Hersh sees himself as more evangelist than journalist: "I‘m not interested in history because I'm trying to change things." Hersh always had his mainstream media detractors, but it wasn't until the release of his gossipy book on the Kennedy family, Dark Side of Camelot, that many critics expressed skepticism of his methods.

The Columbia Journalism Review, reviewing Camelot, said that "Hersh's attributions generally fall short of normal journalistic yardsticks. More important, many of his conclusions are weakly substantiated by his research and highly questionable." New York Times Book Review editor Sam Tanenhaus, writing in the Boston Globe, called the book "an exercise in acute paranoia informed by cabalistic quasi-logic." The Los Angeles Times sarcastically applauded Hersh's "creative journalism," that, while entertaining, "unfortunately...does not produce credible history."

The original version of the Kennedy manuscript was even less credible. Hersh was forced to excise an entire chapter of Camelot—one containing "bombshell" allegations of cash payoffs to Marilyn Monroe in exchange for silence on the family's connections to the Chicago mob—when the documents upon which it was based were exposed as crude forgeries. During the ensuing controversy, Newsweek reporters Evan Thomas, Mark Hosenball, and Michael Isikoff observed that "Like many investigative reporters, [Hersh] has an interest in conspiracy theories, but is extremely persistent—so much so that his source sometimes complain he browbeats them."

So while Olbermann hyperventilates about a new Church Committee to investigate the "executive assassination squad," keep in mind Hersh's sketchy track record and his distinctions between competing types of truth. Indeed, in an email to a Minneapolis blogger after his speech, Hersh struck a slightly different tone:

In an email exchange afterward, Hersh said that his statements were "an honest response to a question" from the event's moderator, U of M Political Scientist Larry Jacobs and "not something I wanted to dwell about in public."

Hersh didn't take back the statements, which he said arise from reporting he is doing for a book, but that it might be a year or two before he has what he needs on the topic to be "effective...that is, empirical, for even the most skeptical."

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  • economist||

    Keith Olbermann is the douche.

  • Ward S. Denker||

    It's true! He's a lecher, however, so his assassination squad was all females and he called them "Fox Force Five." Fox denies any connection to the group.

  • Harry Whittington||

    I believe Hersh.

  • ||

    Why didn't Dick's Death Dealers (see how much better mine is than yours, Michael?) deliver death to Hersh to shut him up?

  • Jesse Walker||

    Hersh was forced to excise an entire chapter of Camelot-one containing "bombshell" allegations of cash payoffs to Marilyn Monroe in exchange for silence on the family's connections to the Chicago mob-when the documents upon which it was based were exposed as crude forgeries.

    If Hersh had gone to press with the Monroe material intact, that would have been a legitimate scandal. But it was odd to see so many attacks on a book that hinged on the allegations it didn't contain.

  • alan||

    I didn't actually think it was possible to get anything accomplished in Washington without a loyal cadre of killers who are willing to dispense with your enemies with a simple nod of the head, so I just assumed he had one.

    I once argued with my much more Republican oriented brother on the matter of Cheney's influence, and he made the best defense of the man I have yet to see.

    In essence, 'given Bush got away with a lot of 'moderate' crap like steel tariffs, No Child Steps Forward, the prescription pill benefit, to name the most news worthy, can you imagine the proposals that Cheney successfully blocked given the temperament of the other people Bush was listening to besides Cheney?'

  • ||

    Life once again imitates Bloom County. There is a classic Bloomcounty strip where it gives Bill the Cat's hobbies. One of them is dressing up like George Casey and telling Bob Woodward lies. This is accompanyed by a drawing of Bill wearing a Casey mask sitting on a park bench in front of the Whitehouse telling a notetaking Bob Woodward "In 83 we tried to kill Ed Asner."

    Is Bill the Cat still around? Has he been talking to Seymor Hersch?

  • ||

    One of them is dressing up like George Casey and telling Bob Woodward lies.

    Good fucking memory, John. Shit, if I were home I'd find that one (I have all the books), scan it, and email it to Moynihan.

  • ||

    the always excitable Keith Olbermann

    That's being kind.

  • stuartl||

    I can't watch the video at work, did Hersh name someone who was assassinated?

    Actual victims might add a little credibility.

  • economist||

    John,
    I think Bill the Cat kicked off because of his drug habit in the late '80s. Very sad.

  • ||

    Guys, Bill died several times. He always came back.

  • ||

    I'm just communicating another reality that I know,

    The founding father of the modern truthiness movement?

    What an utter tool. The ends justify the means, in action. And some people wonder why I dismiss any Hersh allegations out of hand.

  • Dello||

    A friend buys into all this stuff, and sent me this:

    *****J. H. Hatfield J. H. Hatfield wrote a scathing biography of George W. Bush, called "Fortunate Son", which was published while Bush was running for President in 2000, following numerous aggressive attempts to prevent its publication. In addition to detailing many of the well known (to DUers) unethical and probably illegal business dealings by Bush in the 1990s, the book also alleged that Bush was found guilty of a cocaine use charge which was expunged from his record. Many were dismayed to hear of Hatfield's "suicide".

    *****Cliff Baxter Cliff Baxter was a former Vice Chairman of Enron, and one of the few high level Enron executives who had tried to prevent Enron's illegal activities, which resulted in the fall of the company and the disappearance of the life savings of many of its employees, in one of the largest corporate fraud cases in U.S. history. At the time of his death he was about to testify before the House Energy and Commerce Committee about the scandal at Enron. It was felt by many that his testimony could be devastating to top Enron officials and might even provide a vital link between Enron and the Bush Administration. Baxter was found shot to death in his car.

    ******Paul Wellstone Paul Wellstone was the greatest thorn in the side of the Bush Administration of any U.S. Senator. Had he lived it was thought likely that, starting in 2003, he would have initiated a serious Senate investigation into the September 2001 terrorist attacks against our country. He died in a small plane crash just weeks prior to the 2002 mid-term elections, as it was becoming evident that he would win a third term to the U.S. Senate. It was thought at the time that a Wellstone victory in Minnesota would result in Democratic control of the Senate for the next two years (which would have been the case had Max Cleland not been defeated in Georgia). According to an article, "None of the typical causes of a small plane accident-engine failure, icing, pilot error-appear to have been involved." Evidence suggests that both engines were running when the plane hit the ground. The plane had passed through the icing altitude without apparent difficulty, and it was cleared for approach to the airport. Both pilots were very experienced and skilled. The Beechcraft model in which Wellstone was flying has an excellent safety record. Though visibility was limited, it was well above the minimum required. There had been no problems until shortly before the crash. Witnesses say that the plane hit the ground at an almost vertical angle, and the crash was followed by an "extreme post-crash fire".

    *****Raymond Lemme Raymond Lemme was the official from the Florida Inspector General's office who was in the midst of investigating the election rigging charges of whistleblower Clint Curtis when he died. Curtis' main allegation was that he was asked to write a computer program that would be capable of switching votes from one candidate to another, and which would be undetectable. Curtis also claims that Lemme had told him shortly before his death that he "had tracked the corruption all the way to the top". Lemme was found dead in a Valdosta, Georgia, Knights Inn motel room on July 1, 2003. His arm was slashed twice with a razor blade, near the left elbow.

    *****David Kelly Dr. David Kelly was a microbiologist and an expert in weapons of mass destruction. He had already blown the whistle regarding the exaggeration of British intelligence reports on the possibility of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, as the Bush Administration was trying to make the case for invading Iraq. Speculatively, the Bush Administration may have had yet a great deal more to fear from Dr. Kelly's telling what he knew of the Administration's devious plans for building a case for war in Iraq. On July 18th, 2003, Kelly was found dead in a secluded lane in Harrowdown Hill, with his left wrist slit. His death was ruled a suicide, but there were many red flags that indicated otherwise.

    *****Ted Westhusing Colonel Ted Westhusing, one of the Army's leading scholars of military ethics, volunteered to serve in Iraq in order to enable him to better be able to teach his students. A few weeks before he died, he had received an anonymous complaint that a private contractor was cheating the U.S. government and committing human rights violations, including participating in the killing of Iraqi military personnel and civilians. Westhusing reported all this, but an official investigation found his allegations to be "unfounded". Westhusing was very upset about these findings. Shortly thereafter, in June of 2005, Westhusing was found dead in a trailer at a military base in Baghdad, with a gunshot wound to his head. The death was ruled a suicide. At the time he was the highest ranking U.S. officer to die in Iraq.

    *****Gary Webb, the "investigative reporter who broke the story about the CIA's involvement with crack cocaine dealers in Southern California in the 1980's", was found dead in Sacramento in December 2004, from a gunshot wound to the head. The death was ruled a suicide. Webb had been receiving death threats and reportedly shot himself in the face twice.

    *****Danny Casolaro was writing a book, 'The Octopus', "which was meant to be an explosive expose of the scandals surrounding the presidency of George Bush Sr.", when he was found dead in August in a hotel in Martinsburg, West Virginia, in 1991. He had bragged to friends that he would "bring back the head of the Octopus." Both his wrists were slashed seven times, and a suicide note was found nearby. The only existing manuscript of the book he was writing, as well as his notes, were missing.

    *****Six dead microbiologists connected with the 2001 anthrax hoax. After the source of the anthrax (the strain that killed several American citizens and was also sent to the offices of Senators Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy) was traced to a Pentagon lab, "microbiologists started dropping off like flies". Five died between 12 November and 12 December 2001 of "suicides" or "heart attacks", and one was bashed to death with a baseball bat in a high-security lab.

    *****IF we assume that, of the 5 "suicide" deaths (leaving out Senator Wellstone, since that was ruled an accident, not a suicide), all 5 of the individuals were among the top 100 persons whom the Bush Administration would have liked to see disappear, the odds against 5 of the top 100 Bush Administration enemies really dying of suicide over a five year period is about ten thousand to one, assuming that they were not related. If we further consider the facts that most of the victims had no known reason to commit suicide and did not seem at all suicidal, the investigations seemed so rushed and incomplete, the various evidence against suicide in these cases, the known ruthlessness of the Bush Administration, the likelihood that some people would have been too difficult to assassinate, and the possibility that as many as an additional top 100 deaths during this time period, the odds would become even more remote.

  • alan||

    Heh, Bloom County, I have all of them too.

    'Death to the Hairy Fishnuts!'

  • Jesse Walker||

    The ends justify the means, in action.

    If you read the full quote, he's talking about changing details of stories (when speaking, not writing) in order to protect people. I don't approve of that either (unless he's upfront about what he's doing), but it's not as bad as what you're describing.

    Hersh is often right, sometimes wrong, and way less transparent than I'd prefer. Like Edward Jay Epstein -- the author of the L.A. Times review Michael quotes -- he's in the category "goes off the deep end sometimes, but sometimes he gets a story no one else has, so you better pay attention."

  • ||

    Dello,

    the odds against 5 of the top 100 Bush Administration enemies really dying of suicide over a five year period is about ten thousand to one, assuming that they were not related.

    Tell your friend you only get credit if you can show your work.

  • Tacos mmm...||

    What's with all this hatred on Hersh? Did he say something bad about Israel?

  • Cabeza De Vaca||

    "Keith Olbermann and the Ring of Assassins!"

    I can't wait for this game to come out for XBOX 360.

  • max hats||

    It takes balls for a Weekly Standard writer to criticize anyone's journalism.

    Yeah, Hersh messes up a lot. He also gets amazing scoops, such as Abu Graib. When has the Weekly Standard ever been right about anything?

  • ||

    "He also gets amazing scoops, such as Abu Graib. When has the Weekly Standard ever been right about anything?"


    There is nothing amazing about the Abu Garhib scoop. The Army knew about it, was investigating it and was in the process of court martialing those involved. It is not like no one knew about it and wasn't trying to do something about it before Hersh became involved.

  • lefiti||

    Laugh it up libertards. I have the photo evidence.

    In this hidden camera photo, Cheney demonstrates to his new recruits how to curve a bullet. The person who got us this photo paid with his LIFE!

  • Happy Jack||

    goes off the deep end sometimes, but sometimes he gets a story no one else has

    This stuff isn't new.

  • max hats||

    It is not like no one knew about it and wasn't trying to do something about it before Hersh became involved.



    The public didn't know.

  • ||

    Imagine Keith Olberman and Rush Limbaugh locked in the same room. All the doors and windows are barred and sealed airtight.

    Forever.

    *Sigh*

  • ||

    Anyone else notice the resemblance between Cheney and Saul Tigh?

    I think the show is trying to imply something .... but I'm not sure what!

  • ||

    You know, reading the piece my first reaction was hilarity. Then I realized that a lot of the people with Olbermann's and Hersh's view of reality are running the country and I stopped laughing.

  • ||

    The public didn't know.

    If they were paying attention, they did. There were news reports on it. They just didn't come with pictures.

    But it was 60 minutes that scooped the pictures, not Hersh.

  • TofuSushi||

    Max,

    He also gets amazing scoops, such as Abu Graib.

    At the risk of revealing my other false identity, I must correct you.

    Sorry, I just noticed that John already did so I am just piling on.

  • ||

    Frankly, I'm very dissappointed by this. Think of how much better the world would be if there was a secret assassination squad that reported to Dick Cheney.

  • ||

    Is there any difference between the troofers baying about "5 of the top 100 Bush Administration enemies really dying of suicide" and the wingnuts yammering on about all the friends of Clinton who mysteriously died?

    No? I thought not.

  • TofuSushi||

    If they were paying attention, they did. There were news reports on it. They just didn't come with pictures.

    It was announced in a CENTCOM daily briefing too. The reporters who were still attending were busy whining that the imbeds were getting all of the good stories.

  • TofuSushi||

    Now, back to my usual way under this handle.

    Why is everybody picking on Olbermann? He just speaks the truth. They attack him as they attacked Che, Fidel, FDR and Stalin.

  • ||

    And now the work for Tailgun Joe Biden.

    bwaaahahahaha

  • max hats||

    okay, I was wrong.

  • TofuSushi||

    okay, I was wrong.

    You can make a career out of that at The NYT or a certain DC-based magazine, for that matter.

  • TofuSushi||

    Crap!

    I need to quit posting to this thread.

  • ||

    Ring of Assassins



    I thought it was the Ring of Power that Cheney had.

  • Kolohe||

    I think Bill the Cat kicked off because of his drug habit in the late '80s. Very sad.

    Slanderous libel! Everyone knows that Bill the Cat died of acne.

  • Kolohe||

    The problem with Hersh is that he got pretty much all of it right about Abu Graib when there was a lot of misdirection and evasion, but it appears to me has really got his leg pulled by people with grudges since then. According the Hersh, how many times were we supposed to have attacked Iran by now?

  • ||

    "Is there any difference between the troofers baying about "5 of the top 100 Bush Administration enemies really dying of suicide" and the wingnuts yammering on about all the friends of Clinton who mysteriously died?

    No? I thought not."

    your learning RC...not much difference...both kill people to protect their power.

  • ||

    I'll bet these are the same sumbitches who killed Vince Foster and made it look like a suicide! Thank God for folks like Keith Olbermann who get us the unvarnished, unbiased truth! What a guy! He kinda "runs" the Democratic Party like Rush Limbaugh "runs" the Republicans!

  • wingnutx||

    JSOC does not report to anyone?

    Funny, when I was was working under JSOC my chain of command went up through the DOD to the POTUS just like any other command.

  • ||

    Is there any difference between the troofers baying about "5 of the top 100 Bush Administration enemies really dying of suicide" and the wingnuts yammering on about all the friends of Clinton who mysteriously died?

    No? I thought not.


    The left's Cheney Chronicles are different and real compared to the Clinton Chronicles dummy!!!

  • ||

    Dello,

    I think your friend should switch from the Kool Aid to Prozac.

  • ||

    I love it. Cheney couldn't even spread a rumor about a guy who botched a fact-finding mission without getting caught, and he's supposed to have been running a secret hit squad.

    Well, I guess faking the suicides of their enemies is child's play to an administration that could secretly plant thousands of pounds of explosives to stage a controlled demolition of the biggest office towers in one of the busiest cities in the world.

  • ||

    Cheney didn't get caught. He got away scot-free.

  • ||

    Keith Olbermann is an idiotic, hysterical twat.

    Period;

    the end.

  • ed||

    it wasn't until the release of his gossipy book on the Kennedy family, Dark Side of Camelot, that many critics expressed skepticism of his methods.

    Crap! And I really enjoyed that book. I have the hardcover! The jacket says he won some sort of journalism prize...let me go get it...yes, he won a "Pulitzer" in 1970 for "International Reporting." Now I'm really confused. If we can't trust the Pulitzers and Keith Olbermann, who can we trust?

  • BDB||

    Nothing but hysterical bullshit.

  • ||

    If it were true, wouldn't Hersh and Keefums be next?

    Neither strikes me as being particularly brave. "Scum" comes to mind much more quickly.

  • ||

    Sy Hersh has predicted 8 of the last 0 American invasions of Iran.

  • ||

    Dello the odds against 5 of the top 100 Bush Administration enemies really dying of suicide over a five year period is about ten thousand to one

    *scratches head*

    Well, let's see. They were part of an administration that:

    1/ were reviled daily in the various media world-wide

    2/ had thousands of eyes scrutinizing every tiny detail of their lives looking for any and all fault

    3/ had a liberal US populace so unhinged about them that t-shirts, bumperstickers, and films were produced advocating their deaths and refering to them as terrorists and murderers

    4/ had the same group calling for their arrest on war-crime trials

    5/ even ignoring 3 and 4, had an approval rating so low that it was effectively a career ender

    To be perfectly honest, I'm surprised the numbers weren't higher.

    Gabe Cheney didn't get caught. He got away scot-free

    You appear to be confusing "caught" and "punished".
    They're not synonyms.

    Cheney was caught.....he wasn't punished.

  • zoltan||

    Now if only people would apply those five things to Obama. Then the world would be my happy place. Hate on the politicians!

  • ||

    " *****IF we assume that, of the 5 "suicide" deaths (leaving out Senator Wellstone, since that was ruled an accident, not a suicide), all 5 of the individuals were among the top 100 persons whom the Bush Administration would have liked to see disappear ..."

    Quite a big assumption, isn't it? There are hundreds of wackos with all sorts of Bush-flavored conspiracies they are just "on the verge" of proving, and only 5 drop dead? I'm pretty sure the suicide rate among delusional loons is higher than that of the general population. But I guess the rest of them could be locked away in John Ashcroft's secret prisons.

  • ||

    Dello the odds against 5 of the top 100 Bush Administration enemies really dying of suicide over a five year period is about ten thousand to one
    Hell Cheney couldn't even get away with mentioning Vallery Plames name with out people going to jail. How the hell could he be out knocking people off.

  • Joe Moe||

    Were there any major political assassinations during the Bush years of the type that inspired the Church Committee? (Not counting 'fake suicides' by annonymous 'microbiologists' and obscure wacko 'investigative reporters')
    I'm trying to remember. Please help me out.
    There was Rafik Hariri - but he was a guy on "our" side, likely done by Syria & Hezbollah.
    - Ukranian presidential candidate was unsuccessfully poisoned - probably by the Russians.
    - Putin also did that bizarre radiation hit on the KGB defector in London and there was some other anti-Putin woman who got killed
    - Pym Fortyn was killed by an Islamic-sympathizing leftoid.
    Any others I'm forgetting (not counting the hundreds of hits by and against people in clans, sects, militias, provisional governments, etc. in the Middle East)

  • mjoehrer||

    So what's the damn big deal. Somebody ask Teddy boy Kennedy about his bro's assassination of Ngo Dihn Diem. That was a biggie leading to thousands of US soldier deaths.

  • ||

    If ANY of this were true, Olbermann would already be dead.

  • ||

    Slander!Lies! Everyone knows that the reason that we have not invaded Iran is because of the valiant and tireless reporting of Seymour Hersh. He alone has led the fight against the armies of the darkness and has held the line against in the face of overwhelming odds. Sy Hersh reporting is in fact the very reason that Darth Cheney could not attack Iran. It's like hitting womp rats in a snub fighter.............snark......or is it? Only Sy Knows!

  • Dan Cleary||

    When Olbermann talks, my head spins.

  • ||

    Didn't Hersh say that American troops were sodomising little Iraqi boys at Abu Graib? Whatever became of that?

  • ||

    Sy's bad drugs are finally catching up to him.

  • ||

    Keith Olberman IS a douchebag.

    And the liberal filth that watch him and beleive the smegma he puts out are the purient filth that voted for SHO-bama.

    No wonder journalism died in '08!

    You liberal filth run Soviet Show Trial-style news programs every night in which SHO-bama cannot be wrong, he's always right, the conservatives eat their young and our soldiers are baby killers.

    Liberal trash.
    Liberal filth.
    Liberal feces.

  • TallDave||

    Aren't we a little overdue for Seymour's invasion of Iran?

    Not sure why anyone takes this guy seriously.

  • ||

    Hey, Cheney offered me the contract before he went to exclusively female operatives.

    I nailed Paul Wellstone, and parachuted clear, but that wasn't good enough.

    My complaint for sexual discrimination in hiring is presently before the EEOC.

  • TallDave||

    Also, David Kelly was driven to suicide by the media's misreporting of his statements and the subsequent hearing in front of Parliament, a scandal which caused a serious review of policies there.0

    The Hutton Inquiry, a public inquiry into the circumstances surrounding his death, ruled that he had committed suicide and that Kelly had not in fact said some of the things attributed to him by Gilligan.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)

    The fact that the very conspiracy theorists who drive him to suicide now claim his death as part of their conspiracy theory is beyond appalling.

  • ||

    Well, after perusing the comments, either a lot of wide-eyed lefties showed up, or libertarians increasingly show why they're irrelevant. The best argument you can muster is, "Oh yeah? Well the Repubs claimed the same with Clinton!"

    Yeah, that's compelling. I see why that liberaltarian movement is going to succeed. Brain power and 11 year old maturity. We'll take over the world!

  • Dello||

    Dave Hardy,
    "I nailed Paul Wellstone, and parachuted clear, but that wasn't good enough."

    Sorry bud; it takes TWO kills to get 00 status.

  • ||

    hersh hasn't had an honest story since the my lai massaecre. the guy is adisgrace.

  • Dello||

    rrr,

    Actually, the best argument I read on this thread was that the story is stupid bullshit.

    You must have missed those posts...

  • ||

    In Hersh's comments I hear echoes of one of the truly great contemporary observers of postmodern American mores...George Costanza. For it was Costanza who uttered those immortal words: "Remember, Jerry: it's not a lie if YOU believe it."

  • ||

    It's true!

    Cheney assassinated Hersh's brain before Sy came up with this theory.

  • ||

    It appears that Mr. Hersch has quite a future writing for TV.

    On second thought, nah... nobody'd buy it.

  • ||

    Why is it so not a surprise the Olbermann is siting crap from this loon? I guess MSNBC is so desperate for anyone to watch them, they keep this idiots show on. Its like the repair shop that adds ton's of bogus charges on your bill for the extra cash and then wonders why they can't get anyone to bring in their cars.

    BTW, calling Olbermann a douch is an insult to feminine hygiene products everywhere.

  • ||

    I cannot believe the skepticism I'm reading here. You think those buildings fell down BY THEMSELVES? When everybody knows that there is no way jet fuel burns hot enough to melt steel - NO. WAY.

    (well maybe not everybody but at least my brother-in-law's son's high school shop teacher)

  • ||

    The fact that Kieth Olberman is still around to talk about it proves this allegation to be false.

  • YXS||

    This article is itself filled with innuendo, unsubstantiated allegations and assumptions. Is it any better than Seymour Hersh articles? Seymour Hersh = Michael C. Moynihan?

  • ||

    OK, so Olbermann vs Rush in a fistfight.

    Who wins?

    I'm still waiting for "Bush's imminent attack against Iraq" that Seymour predicted; twice IIRC. Seymour (that name is so perfect) said he had very trustworthy sources.

  • ||

    Masters of conspiracy, wielders of unaccountable hit squads, and yet the administration forgot to plant some WMD in Iraq?
    Obama and the Dem's are no better. They can't even evade taxes and peddle influence without getting caught.

    Next election I'm voting for a better, more sinister conspiracy.
    Darth Vader in 2012!

  • ||

    Seymour Hersh is the journalistic equivalent of M*A*S*H's Colonel Flagg.

  • Understanding Insanity||

    Isn't political assassination exactly what Keith Olbermann is attempting?

  • Jim Treacher||

    It takes balls for a Weekly Standard writer to criticize anyone's journalism.



    You just sold them another subscription, asshole.

  • Jim Treacher||

    You think those buildings fell down BY THEMSELVES? When everybody knows that there is no way jet fuel burns hot enough to melt steel - NO. WAY.



    RON PAUL '12

  • ||

    Sy Hersh has been a journalistic joke, the old drunk at the end of the that forlorn bar, for years.

    Blathering on incoherently for page after page in The New Yorker with Hendrik Herzberg's blessing. I finally quit my subscription in 2004.

    What is delightful, is that The Olberdunce is the new Sy Hersh!

    Ten years from now we all get to laugh at him as he scrambles for change.

  • ||

    Sy Hersh has been reading too many Robert Ludlum novels about the assassin Jason Bourne. Time for Sy to get back on his meds so he doesn't confuse fiction with reality.

  • Texan||

    I seriously thing you are all shameless. Keith Oberman obviously suffers from a serious mental dissorder and it is politically incorrect to make fun of that. All responses to him should be in the form of "poor thing, he's looking worse....Is it incurable?....I hope they can do something for him cause it is obvioulsy getting worse...Poor soul, why don't they commit him where he can get some professional help".....

  • ||

    Olbermann is a douche. Just thinking about that pompous, over-modulated voice and that square face makes me angry.

  • ||

    Keith O;bermann has never had a great relationship with the truth. He lies throught hose false teeth of his. Here's a site to petition for him to be fired!

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/fire-keith-olbermann

    FIRE KEITH OLBERMANN

  • ||

    So, what are they doing about those evil mass-murderers who won't let Keith keep his cat in their apartment complex?

    http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/11/SNL-Skewers-Keith-Olbermann-598554.html

  • ||

    Sy Hersh and Olbermann should be investigated by the FBI as traitors to the United States government. Ineundo and accusations, lies and dishonesty are the trademark of Keith Olbermann.

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/fire-keith-olbermann

    This site as someone else mentioned, is a place to vent.

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    If Cheney really had death squads, wouldn't Olbermann be right at the top of the list, like the Russkies did with that Politkovskaya chick? The fact that Olbie isn't pushing up daisies from some unmarked grave seems to put the kibosh on his whole wacky theory.

  • Mike DeSoto||

    "It was felt by many that his testimony could be devastating to top Enron officials and might even provide a vital link between Enron and the Bush Administration."

    One of many Fitzmases which never came to pass for the moonbat left. Amazingly enough things don't become real just because we really REALLY want them to be. Most of us figure this out in adolescence. For those who don't, "the dream will never die" as that drunken sot Kennedy put it.

  • Mike DeSoto||

    .. the known ruthlessness of the Bush Administration

    Right. I think "ineptness" was the word he wanted there. A little ruthlessness would have been a welcome change of pace where Bush was concerned.

  • A.J.||

    There was a time in this country, that journalists wouldn't just report on things they heard, they actually had to investigate stories first. Keith is an empty shell, obsessed with Bush and Cheney. He's a sad, pathetic, useless waste of skin.

  • ed||

    Keith Oberman obviously suffers from a serious mental dissorder and it is politically incorrect to make fun of that

    I blame the psychosis on his painful rectal birth of Rachel Maddow. That had to be traumatic.

  • ||

    Olbermann has way too much estrogen

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    My favorite Olberism was replayed recently on Greg Gutfeld's Red Eye.

    With spittle glistening the corners of his mouth while ranting incoherently at Ann Coulter, little Keithie actually held up his plastic-encased Cornell Ag School diploma, which he apparently keeps at the ready under his desk at MSNBC at all times to remind himself he are smart.

    I believe he received a BS in BS from the AG school before going on to his stellar career at ESPN denigrating athletes in revenge for the weggies they gave him in high school.

  • ||

    What everyone seems to forget about Olbermann is couldn't even cut it as a sports commentator, and he was better at that then he is at political commentary! That's how he landed on MSNBC - the least watched network on television. More people watch OLN now that they show the NHL games. My issue with this, is the more we talk about how mentally unbalanced Keith is, the more relevance we give him. My suggestion: stop talking about him and his crazy ideas/guests and let him fade into obscurity. The world will be a much better place. (Hint to the current administration of the US: you are doing the same thing with Rush Limbaugh...because you keep talking he keeps being..relevant.)

  • ||

    Dr David Kelley spoke to Judith Miller of the New York Times the day before he was found dead in the woods near his home. He was on the verge of being outed by the Blair government as the source for the BBC story on the "sexed up" dossier on the Saddam WMD threat.

    Judith Miller at that time was working closely as the conduit for Vice President Cheney's manipulation of the media, accepting almost daily selective leaks from Cheney and Scooter Libby (both longtime friends who holiday with Miller and all members of the Aspen Group).

    I'd really like to be able to see Ms Miller's phone records to establish whether her next call after talking to Dr Kelley was to Scooter Libby or Dick Cheney.

    And the next day Dr David Kelley turned up dead of a slit left wrist despite being unable to hold a knife with his right hand well enough to cut even a steak due to a painful elbow injury . . .

  • ||

    HOw amusing that the party that lied about the war on Iraq and then killed 100's of thouands of innocent Iraqis, is pointing the finger at someone else.

    but of course they are the same people who blame Obama for what THEY DID.

  • ed||

    MSNBC - the least watched network on television

    Not quite. That honor--at least in the NBC family--goes to CNBC. About 300,000 viewers, most of whom, evidently, believe in magic.

  • ed||

    the party that lied about the war on Iraq and then killed 100's of thouands of innocent Iraqis

    Marcia,

    Republicans killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis?
    Sunni vs. Shia = Democrat vs. Republican in your world?

    And you're barking up the wrong blog if you think reason is a Republican outfit.

  • alittlesense||

    We actually have invaded Iran 5 times. All with invisible troops who killed thousands of invisible Iranian soldiers and blew up hundreds of invisible Iranian mullahs. Hersh doesn't know nuthin...

  • doug||

    oberwoman is a left wing fag.

  • ||

    Notice how the author disputes zero facts. Interesting.

  • El Cid||

    65% of all reported hate crimes in this country are against Hispanics. If one includes unreported hate crimes against undocumented workers the percentage is probably much higher.

    Ayatollahs Limbaugh and Murdoch and their Imans (O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity, Dobbs, Buchanan etc.) have blood on their hands.

    Keith Olbermann is one of the few cable journalist who takes on these clowns regularly. Enemy of my Enemy is my friend!

  • ||

    Did you think the NRO would expose this one? Or Reason?
    If there is any bigger abuse of big government than sending out misaddressed or correctly addressed but illegaly dispatched hit teams I would like to know what it is. This has become a forum for the Republican Party and lost all credibility with anyone interested in abuses of government!

  • Glenn Koons||

    Keith is after all a grad of Cornell: Ag school. He is known far and wide for his bull pucky. He ranted as a sports guy and could be funny. He is not funny dealing with serious military, cultural, political and economic issues because he is plain ignorant on them. He is an ideologue with little factual foundations. His inane rants on the word of leftist elitists like Seymour and other lefty socialist pacifists simply put MSNBC and NBC for that matter lower on the food chain and viewership. The more vitriol he spurts, the left loves it but the masses just watch Sean, Bill and Glenn. Sorry boys and girls , that is factual.

  • ed||

    Keith Olbermann has, by his very existence, made Bill O'Reilly seem almost respectable.

  • ||

    If there is any bigger abuse of big government than sending out misaddressed or correctly addressed but illegaly dispatched hit teams I would like to know what it is.

    Those are just isolated incidents. Radley Balko covers them on the rare occasion they do happen.

  • ||

    Names? (eejits)

  • ||

    Wow! There's enough bone deep crazy on this thread to fill Invesco Field and Grant Park to overflowing with overaged hippes, tenured professors and the young and the gullible.

  • ||

    Olbermann is a fanatic. He is an ultra left maniac who has no judgement or common sense

  • ||

    If Bush and Cheney had a death squad the Congressman they would have killed would have been Jim Jeffords, not Paul Wellstone.

    Also Paul O'Neill.

  • William||

    I think Hersh is on to something and we soon will learn that it was Cheney et al that did in Vince Foster.

  • ||

    Olbermann is trying to raise his pitiful ratings I guess....

  • ||

    I am a retired Army Intelligence officer of 29 years service, plus 16 years as an Army Intelligence civilian. Overall, I'd say in the last 10 years Sy Hersh has been about 60% correct in his analysis of things military. He, like a lot of baby boomer leftists journalists comes with an anti-war, anti-military bias gained during Vietnam. Of course, they never served, but, what the hey.
    On point, JSOC is in the chain of command through SecDef to the White House, Ford's 1976 Executive Order of Assasinations was directed at the killing of political leaders. Enemy terrorists were still fair game if the rules were adhered to. There are very evil, capable individuals out there who are sworn to the destruction of the U.S., western civilization and the establishment of a world wide theocracy. Sometimes they have to be taken out. What if we had stumbled upon Mohammed Atta and his 9/11 confederates prior? Does anyone argue that they shouldn't have been taken out? The best defense in this "game" is a tough offense. Might that trample on the precious consciences of Hersh, Pelosi, Obama, and others of their ilk? Likely. But as Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg (a liberal's liberal) in a case involving protecting the U.S. from "enemies foreign and domestic", "the Constitution is not a suicide pact."

  • ||

    Let's accept the fact that Hersh purveys counterfeit information. Let's dismiss him as the fraud he is, and get on with our lives.

  • furious||

    "...a better, more sinister conspiracy..."

    dennymack:

    Kudos -- if there's ever been a better, all-purpose campaign slogan, I've never heard it.

  • ||

    Is that anything like HILLARY CLINTON and her RIGHT-WING CONSPERACY?

  • josea||

    Oh my god all my rites have been given back, I don't have to worry about that evil admin taking me out!

  • AlanABQ||

    I'm starting to think that Hersch is just starting to display his bitterness at not being taken as seriously as Kitty Kelly. Or Geraldo.

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    I would call flying a plane almost vertically into the ground pilot error.

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    If the national enquire wants to expand a little,they should make an offer to keith and hersh

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