Nick Gillespie | February 12, 2009
Hit & Run regular and serial novelist Alan Vanneman points to this New York Times sob story about the ethanol industry, which has been hit hard by low oil prices, low demand for gas, and our national malaise:
As recently as last summer, plants that make ethanol from corn were sprouting across the Midwest. But now, with motorists driving less in the economic downturn, the industry is burdened with excess capacity, and plants are shutting down virtually every week....
"The ethanol industry is on its back despite the billions of dollars they have gotten in taxpayer assistance, and a guaranteed market," said Amy Myers Jaffe, an energy analyst at Rice University....
In an effort to reduce the country's dependence on foreign oil and to lower the greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to global warming, Congress mandated a doubling of corn ethanol use, to 15 billion gallons a year by 2015. Congress also mandated, by 2022, the use of an additional 21 billion gallons of ethanol and other biofuels produced from materials collectively known as biomass. The potential materials include corn stubble, wood chips and straw.
Development of large-scale new-generation ethanol is not working and mandated corn ethanol use is a really terrible idea that helped spike food prices worldwide last year. Even environmentalists who once pushed for corn-based ethanol have rethought their position. Watch Reason.tv's "Silly Senator, Corn Is For Food" for a comprehensive catalogue of the problems with corn-based ethanol:
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But now, with motorists driving less in the economic downturn, the industry is burdened with excess capacity, and plants are shutting down virtually every week....
Whenever I see a parasite dying of starvation, I smile.
:-)
Development of large-scale new-generation ethanol is not
working and mandated corn ethanol use is a really terrible idea
that helped spike food prices worldwide last year. Even
environmentalists who once pushed for corn-based ethanol have
rethought their position.
This is so. But is there any hope that the existing ethanol
mandates will be repealed?
Its almost like you're trying to tell us that centrally planned
and state subsidized industries and socio-economic engineering are
failing, even after decades of regulatory mandates and billions of
support?
That's unpossible!
Ethanol creates more pollution than gas, is 1/3 less effiecient use3s more crude oil than it makes 23 gallons for every 20 gallons of ethanol produced. rots rubber in cars. a 10% mix destroys fuel milage in certian cars, not all. my xterra get 19-20 on gas 14-15 on 10% blend and can not run on that e-80 crap. actually the owners manul says to never use any ethonol blend. but i have no choice, as alll gas here is bleneded. it costs more and i travel less because of it. and god only knows what it is doing to the engine
This is not how it was supposed to be when Congress mandated
in 2007 that refiners blend increasing amounts of ethanol into the
country's transportation fuel supply.
I'm having a really hard time getting my head around this,
y'know?
This is so. But is there any hope that the existing ethanol
mandates will be repealed?
Of course they will. Then new mandates will be written subsidizing
ethanol from things like wood or switchgrass.
Oh the fun unintended consequences we'll have then!
Best use of ethanol is bourbon! Alcohol has a long history of safe use in western society.
"Best use of ethanol is bourbon! Alcohol has a long history of
safe use in western society."
Not as safe as MJ or LSD. But good point, I could use some good
whiskey.
I'd probably enjoy those other, safer substances more often and not
rot my liver... but you know that whole Prohibition thing makes
them artificially expensive and dangerous to acquire...
Such a small price to pay to inflate food prices and kill poor people. So what is your solution for overpopulation smart guys?
So what is your solution for overpopulation smart guys?
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EDUCATION! the more educated you are, generally spaeking the less
children you have. for the first time in history, most of the
civilized world has birth rates approaching negative replacement.
in the US among middle+ class women the avg number of children is
less than 2. which is a population contraction. much of europe is
in the same boat. the uneducated peoples in the world and poor are
the ones who are growing the pop. anyone with a brain sees that
execedding the replacement rate is not a good thing.
So what is your solution for overpopulation smart
guys?
Lunar colonization, martian and venusion transformation, large
scale space stations.
Not as safe as MJ or LSD. But good point, I could use some
good whiskey.
Nonsense, then why are they illegal if they are good for us. The
government has a right and in fact an obligation to make anything
not good for us illegal.
Few policies reveal the inability of government to process
complex technological and economic information as does the entire
corn-ethanol debacle.
Politics isn't about reality, its about popularity. Make something
popular by appealing to the misunderstandings of non-specialist and
bang you've got a technological and economic monstrosity. You don't
have to experiment or prove something works before going at it
whole hog.
My lovely Juanita, why do you torment me so?
I just wanna talk to you
And my broken heart just has no use
And I, I guess promises are better
left unsaid, yeah
Everytime you try to tell me
You say the words that I'm the only
But I'm the one who's crawling on the ground,
When you say love makes the world go 'round, yeah
You say love makes the world go 'round
Everytime you try to tell me
I don't care you're not the only
Don't you know I'm coming back around
Cuz I say love makes the world go 'round, yeah
Cuz I say love makes the world go 'round
Won't someone think of the multi-billion dollar agri-business corn farmers? Think of the executive bonuses. The bonuses! :::sob:::
Can you make fuel out of hemp, similar to how they make ethanol out of corn?
Can you make fuel out of hemp, similar to how they make ethanol
out of corn?
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http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/07/lotus-eco-elise-concept-with-hemp-body.html
Actually it is better, the hemp oil can be refined to be burned in
cars. also the celluose in the plant is better to make bio fuel
from than corn or switchgrass. With the fibers and the oils, you
can build all non metal parts of the car, aka hemp body panels
interior etc. one english car already has this, and it is great
looking its the eco elise
The renewable materials that have been incorporated into the Eco
Elis project include hemp (industrial cannabis) that's used on the
car's composite body panels, spoiler and seats, eco wool for the
upholstery and sisal for the carpet. Cleaner manufacturing
processes have been achieved by utilizing the latest water based
paint technology. As for renewable energy generation, the Eco
Elise's hemp hard top incorporates a set of solar panels that
provide power for the car's electrical systems
Does the hemp car produce exhaust, and is that exhaust beneficial? Say for easing pain or giving me the munchies?
What the hell is a "guaranteed market"? If markets were a sure thing, then every boy and his dog would be billionaires.
...a guaranteed market," said Amy Myers Jaffe...
Anyone who makes this statement is either trying to sign you up for
a pyramid scheme or is simply a complete economic idiot...
Y'all are taking the 'guaranteed market' statement out of
context.
She's saying the ethanol producers have a guaranteed market
*because* of government action, in the same way that Northrup
Grumman has a guaranteed market for aircraft carriers.
mandated corn ethanol use is a really terrible idea that
helped spike food prices worldwide last year.
True, but commodities speculation was also a huge factor.
Corn ethanol use is unlikely to have a large lasting effect on corn
prices, because farmers will respond to the price signals by
planting more corn.
It will however, increase the amount of land devoted to farming,
which environmentalists ought to be concerned about.
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