The Obligatory Clinton Dead-Ender Post

David Weigel | August 25, 2008

DENVER - I haven't seen any yet, but the big story of DNC 2008: Hey, This Time Let's Try Not to Lose thus far is the presence of stubborn Hillary Clinton supporters who refuse to call it a day. Last night a friend from the RNC (here in town at a mafia compound—seriously, you have to enter though a terrifying black gate) excitedly told me to look out for Debra Bartoshevich, a Wisconsin Hillary Clinton delegate who blabbed to the 4th Estate about her plan to vote for McCain at the convention. She got her status taken away. So now she's here, talking to press again and starring in a Denver-only TV ad.

That's the GOP message for the week, with the goal of snuffing out Obama's chance to relaunch his image and take the hammer and tongs to McCain. It's aided by a CNN poll (the only one of three new polls that shows Obama not gaining) that shows a dip in Obama's support from Clinton voters.

How does the Obama campaign dig out of this? Gee, I don't know. Everything else about the convention is so dull, and Clinton allies are so eager to throw daggers at Obama (anonymously, of course), that I expect it to stay the buzz of the convention until Wednesday night, at least. The reporter-to-protester ratio at a planned rally of "hundreds" of Hillary dead-enders is going to be huge. Yes, they're a fraction of the number that will be cheering Ron Paul in Minneapolis, but no one knows who they're voting for. The Clinton dead-enders are clearly gettable for McCain: Their gripe is not about idealogy, but emotional pique.

(Side note: I have yet to meet a Republican who was actually worried about facing an Obama/Clinton ticket. Biden's seen as the strongest possible pick, with none of Clinton's negatives and no way to paint Obama as an easily bossed-around ninny who represents "change" like Cherry Vanilla Dr. Pepper represents "not inducing vomiting." So they're milking the Clinton stuff while they can.)

UPDATE: From the RNC:

Barack Obama's decision to "pass over" Hillary Clinton for his vice-presidential selection without even a vetting or a phone call has served to only exacerbate tensions with the Democrat Party. Obama aides accusing Clinton supporters of acting like "Japanese soldiers in the South Pacific still fighting after the war is over" shouldn't help the situation too much. [Ed-I think they were only referring to the Clintonites who are trying to defeat them.]
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At night, we will hold a "Happy Hour for Hillary" for all the Democrat delegates, especially supporters of Senator Hillary Clinton.

In an appeal to wavering Democrats they should probably say "Democratic" delegates. Just saying.

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Kolohe|8.25.08 @ 11:10AM|#

(here in town at a mafia compound-seriously, you have to enter though a terrifying black gate)

Isn't that Mordor?

|8.25.08 @ 11:12AM|#

the presence of stubborn Hillary Clinton supporters who refuse to call it a day

They went Full Retard. You never go Full Retard.

|8.25.08 @ 11:19AM|#

I repeatedly predicted back in the spring the surfacing of something so damaging to Obama that Clinton would become the nominee.

I was wrong.

Yes Epi, even I go full tardo at times. My apologies.

SIV|8.25.08 @ 11:24AM|#

Good a time as any to say it:

I thought the Clintons would find somebody to say "Obama sold me cocaine" .

I was wrong.

If intentional, it was very clever to stymie oppo-research by overstating youthful drug experimentation in his autobiography.

Mad Max|8.25.08 @ 11:25AM|#

"I was wrong."

Dude, don't you know the first thing about Internet discourse? Never use the w-word in reference to yourself. You'll never get a job as a cable-news commenter.

"Isn't that Mordor?"

Does Hillary play the role of Shelob in this scenario?

|8.25.08 @ 11:26AM|#

Then Convention is not over. I just saw on CNN where the Dems agreed to let the Michigan and Florida delegates vote. I know it is crazy, but it wouldn't shock me if the Clintons still don't have one trick left. If nothing else, she has already slipped the video of Obama smoking crack with Bill Ayers to Republican operatives.

BDB|8.25.08 @ 11:27AM|#

John I don't think Hillary is the one that wants to see Obama lose, Bill is.

BDB|8.25.08 @ 11:29AM|#

I.e., he got Mark Penn--the guy behind the "Obama isn't a true American strategy"--to write his speech for Wednesday. I expect we might see damning with faint praise.

#2|8.25.08 @ 11:33AM|#

In an appeal to wavering Democrats they should probably say "Democratic" delegates.

Old people, like Hillary voters, have long used the adjectival forms interchangeably. (See any political writing that predates the "netroots" for examples.) The "-ic" crusade is a recent phenomenon, confined to young partisans like you.

|8.25.08 @ 11:35AM|#

I love how in Weigal world Clinton supporters who don't support Obama are deadenders. But Republicans who don't go for McCain are couragous hereos. Weigal was really born in the wrong place and in the wrong time. In another time and place, he would have been a great writer for Pravda under Stalin. Not to worry Dave, there is always the North Korean News Service.

I hit on this trick for understanding Hillary Clinton in this race last winter.

When trying to figure out what she's doing and why she's doing it, try to picture her not as teh Hildebeast with the dark powers, spinning wheels within wheels within wheels, but as an ordinary candidate, whose actions can be understand more or less like any other politicians' actions.

I know, it goes against everything we've come to believe, but it's actually proven to be a pretty sound system.

BDB|8.25.08 @ 11:36AM|#

Is it really a good idea to give Michelle Obama a prime time speech?

|8.25.08 @ 11:37AM|#

John I don't think Hillary is the one that wants to see Obama lose, Bill is.

That's because if there are any shenanigans from the Clintons and Obama loses the election, Hillary's name becomes mud in the party forever. Hillary doesn't want that to happen, Bill doesn't want her to outperform him.

|8.25.08 @ 11:38AM|#

Old people, like Hillary voters, have long used the adjectival forms interchangeably. (See any political writing that predates the "netroots" for examples.) The "-ic" crusade is a recent phenomenon, confined to young partisans like you.'

Actually (as in, in the real world), the party has always been called "The Democratic Party." The only "crusade" was an effort that began with Joe McCarthy to mispronounce the name, for whatever reason. It was only when Newt Gingrich put out his style book in the 1990s that it became de riguer among Repblicans to mispronounce the name.

I once say Michelle Malkin "correct" another pundit who said the proper name.

The Extispicator|8.25.08 @ 11:38AM|#

But, joe, most "ordinary" candidates don't have a direct line to the Dark Lord of the Underworld.

BDB|8.25.08 @ 11:39AM|#

Joe, a bit of trivia here, but Andrew Jackson's opponents in the 1830s also said "Democrat Party" with emphasis on "RAT".

But McCarthy and Nixon gave us the modern incarnation.

|8.25.08 @ 11:40AM|#

I'll see John's Stalin, and raise you Hitler.

Dave, by writing this post, you are just like Hitler.

Call.

|8.25.08 @ 11:41AM|#

Wow, John, I never saw where Weigel called Paul supporters "courageous heroes". He noted that though there are more Paul-supporting, anti-McCain protesters in the Twin Cities than there are PUMAs*, but there's a zillion time more coverage of the latter than there is of the former.

* I like the PUMA designation because it brings to mind unattractive cougars.

|8.25.08 @ 11:51AM|#

Cougar = Puma= Mounting Lioness

|8.25.08 @ 11:52AM|#

Why would a writer at a libertarian magazine be more favorable to Ron Paul supporters than Hillary Clinton supporters?

Man. That's a tough one. Help me out here.

BDB|8.25.08 @ 11:52AM|#

"PUMA" sounds like an acronym made up by a porn addled college freshman.

BDB|8.25.08 @ 11:53AM|#

Is it just me or has every cable news network turned into concern trolls made flesh?

|8.25.08 @ 11:57AM|#

@ John:

Hillary and Obama were virtually the same on the issues.

Paul and McCain have less in common than Paine and Machiavelli.

I love how in Weigal world Clinton supporters who don't support Obama are deadenders. But Republicans who don't go for McCain are couragous hereos.

Point understood despite hyperbole. However, here is why I think Weigel is right and you are wrong.

The reason Hillary supporters are dead-enders is because Hillary doesn't offer a substantially different platform from Obama, so they are sacrificing substance for personality or something. Also, Obama is smooth and Hillary is fingernails on a blackboard. If all other things are equal, how can you not make fun of the losers who prefer fingernails on a blackboard.

With McCain and Paul it's exactly the opposite situation. Neither one is particularly smooth, but their platforms are worlds apart.

|8.25.08 @ 11:59AM|#

Or what Zerg said much more concisely while I was composing.

|8.25.08 @ 12:17PM|#

Paul and McCain have less in common than Paine and Machiavelli.

Somebody has never actually read Machiavelli. Beyond a fairly shallow reading of "The Prince," anyway. Machiavelli was actually one of the earliest supporters of a Republic with checks and balances and a tripartite structure. So, Paine and Machiavelli would actually have gotten on famously.

For Immediate Release: - 08/21/08

Suit filed 08/21/08, No. 08-cv-4083
Contact information at the end of this press release. Documents filed with the court and a copy of this press release can be downloaded at the end of this press release.

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania - 08/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate in Democratic Primaries; former Chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County; former member of Democratic State Committee; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA, filed a lawsuit in Federal Court today, Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083, seeking a Declaratory Judgment and an Injunction that Obama does not meet the qualifications to be President of the United States. Berg filed this suit for the best interests of the Democratic Party and the citizens of the United States."Eighteen million Democratic Primary voters donated money, volunteered their time and energy, worked very hard and then not only supported Senator Clinton, but voted for her and often recruited other supporters as well. All the efforts of supporters of legitimate citizens were for nothing because this man lied and cheated his way into a
Philip J. Berg, Esquire stated in his lawsuit that Senator Obama:

1. Is not a natural-born citizen; and/or

2. Lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia; and/or

3. Has dual loyalties because of his citizenship with Kenya and Indonesia.

Berg stated: "I filed this action at this time to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.

There have been numerous questions raised about Obama's background with no satisfactory answers. The questions that I have addressed include, but are not limited to:

1. Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada; or ?

2. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?

3. What was the early childhood of Obama in Hawaii; in Kenya; in Indonesia when he was adopted; and later, back to Hawaii?

4. An explanation as to the various names utilized by Obama that include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham.

5. Illinois Bar Application - Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama, a blatant lie.

If Obama can prove U.S. citizenship, we still have the issue of muti-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegance to other countries.

Berg continued:

fraudulent candidacy and cheated legitimately eligible natural born citizens from competing in a fair process and the supporters of their citizen choice for the nomination.

Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Senator Obama's lies and obfuscations. He clearly shows a conscience of guilt by his actions in using the forged birth certificate and the lies he's told to cover his loss of citizenship. We believe he does know, supported this belief by his actions in hiding his

secret, in that he failed to regain his citizenship and used documents to further his position as a natural born citizen. We would also show he proclaims himself a Constitutional scholar and lecturer, but did not learn he had no eligibility to become President except by means of lying, obfuscations and deceptions. His very acts proves he knew he was no longer a natural born citizen. We believe he knew he was defrauding the country or else why use the forged birth certificate of his half sister?

Americans lost money, goods and services donated in their support of a candidate who supposedly was a natural born citizen simply because the DNC officers and party leaders looked the other way and did not demand credentials to answer the questions and prove whether or not Senator Obama was a legitimately natural born citizen, even in light of recent information that has surfaced on websites on the Internet suggesting Senator Obama may not be eligible to become President and questioning his status of multiple citizenships and questionable loyalties! If the DNC officers and.or leaders had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship through an oath of allegiance at age eighteen [18] as prescribed by Constitutional laws!

The injunctrive relief must be granted because failing to do so, this inaction defrauds everyone who voted in the Democratic Primary for a nominee that is a fair representation of the voters. Failure to grant injunctive relief would allow a corrupted, fraudulent nomination process to continue. It not only allows, but promotes an overwhelming degree of disrespect and creates such a lack of confidence in voters of the primary process itself, so that it would cement a prevailing belief that no potential candidate has to obey the laws of this country, respect our election process, follow the Constitution, or even suffer any consequence for lying and defrauding voters to get onto the ballot when they have no chance of serving if they fraudulently manage to get elected! It is unfair to the country for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of their ability to serve if elected.

All judges are lawyers and held to a higher standard of practice than a regular lawyer. It is this Judicial standard that demands injunctive relief prayed for here. This relief is predicated upon one of the most basic premises of practicing law which states no lawyer can allow themselves to be used in furthering a criminal enterprise. And by that gauge alone, failing to give injunctive relief to the 18 million supporters of the other candidate, a true natural born citizen eligible to serve if elected, this court must not allow itself to be used to further the criminal and fraudulent acts to continue and be rewarded by becoming the Democratic Nominee. Failure to give the injunctive relief prayed for will insure that a corrupted Presidential election process will only guarantee a show of unfair preference of one group of people over another group by not demanding the same rules be applied to all groups equally and fairly, especially in light of the fact that both candidates are each considered a minority.

Philip J. Berg, Esquire
555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531
Cell (610) 662-3005
(610) 825-3134
(800) 993-PHIL [7445]
Fax (610) 834-7659
philjberg@obamacrimes.com

|8.25.08 @ 12:26PM|#

"Is it really a good idea to give Michelle Obama a prime time speech?"

I'm hoping she'll advocate the violent overthrow of western civilization.

Hey, don't we all advocate that?

|8.25.08 @ 12:28PM|#

Well, looks like LoneWacko has met his match in PhilipBerg.

Kolohe|8.25.08 @ 12:29PM|#

Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada; or ?

'an island off of Hawaii'. That cracks me up every single time I read it.

Fun fact: I can see this island from my backyard.

D.A. Ridgely|8.25.08 @ 12:35PM|#

Is it really a good idea to give Michelle Obama a prime time speech?

Yes. Yes it is.

|8.25.08 @ 12:36PM|#

They went Full Retard. You never go Full Retard.

Prepare ship...for Ludicrous Speed!

|8.25.08 @ 12:39PM|#

Jim Bob, I think you got your Spaceballs in my Tropic Thunder. And that's just a mess; and painful too.

|8.25.08 @ 12:52PM|#

Is it really a good idea to give Michelle Obama a prime time speech?

Maybe she will finally give the "whitey" speech! Encore! Encore!

|8.25.08 @ 12:53PM|#

When trying to figure out what she's doing and why she's doing it, try to picture her not as teh Hildebeast...

Nah, she's still a Bene Gesserit.

Philip J. Berg [filberg], Esquire stated in his lawsuit that Senator Obama:

....

4. He's a frickin' darkie! Can't you people see that??!!!

|8.25.08 @ 12:54PM|#

And that's just a mess; and painful too.

I know, I know. :P

|8.25.08 @ 1:03PM|#

hey. Leave cherry vanilla dr. pepper the fuck alone. I like cherry vanilla dr. pepper in small doses even it it is "too much flavor".

|8.25.08 @ 1:41PM|#

I love how in Weigal world Clinton supporters who don't support Obama are deadenders. But Republicans who don't go for McCain are couragous [sic] hereos [sic].

Um, Clinton and Obama are virtually identical policy-wise, but McCain and the GOP are not. Of course, were you to see this obvious point, you wouldn't have been able to go on to compare someone to an apologist for totalitarianism, so I suppose you made the right call.

And they should bring back Hereos. They were better than Oreos. I really liked the slogan, "They're Here! Eat 'Em!"

|8.25.08 @ 1:44PM|#

RE: "I thought the Clintons would find somebody to say "Obama sold me cocaine" ."

They did find someone to say that he bought crack and got high with Obama. The press ignored him, and then the guy totally disappears. Hmmmm...

It is far easier to sell people a lie than a truth they do not want to hear.

|8.25.08 @ 1:49PM|#

The funny thing is with this war between Obama and Clinton supporters is that Clinton supporters have nothing to lose. You would think they would have more brains than to try to alienate Clinton supporters further. I think that if the Obama su[pporters just give it a rest the Clinton supporters will come around. If the war keeps going Obama has a very good chance of losing in November. Personally I think Obama should have been smart and made Clinton his VP but I think his bitter advisers did not give him very good advice. Shame.

BDB|8.25.08 @ 1:54PM|#

Apparently, Bill Clinton isn't even going to mention Obama's name in his speech.

lolcat|8.25.08 @ 1:59PM|#

|8.25.08 @ 2:04PM|#

Clearly, Hillary's supporters think there is a difference between the two. Of course, Obama just picked for his VP a guy who voted for the invasion of Iraq, the Patriot Act, and the FISA renewal and supported the surge. Yet, Obama's decision not to support the war was the most important decision of this generation and the strongest evidence of his better judgement over McCain. Honestly, I don't think ideology is that important to Democrats right now. It is about personality and power.

As far as the Republican deadenders in the Paul camp, by voting for Barr they will help ensure that the Democrats get the Presidency and a filabuster proof majority in the Senate. That is a real possibility. But once we have socialized medicine and European level tax rates, they really will be able to score points then.

|8.25.08 @ 2:05PM|#

I am amazed that Weigal has so many supporters on here.

Naga Sadow|8.25.08 @ 2:06PM|#

Tharms,

That's why I haven't gone forward with my testimony about how Obama was a coke mule. I'll disappear! Then again I could also end up committing "suicide" a la Vince Foster.

SIV|8.25.08 @ 2:10PM|#

OT

Is John McCain going to trot out big name ethnic entertainer endorsements all during the DemocRAT Party convention week?

BDB|8.25.08 @ 2:11PM|#

I'm not sure how that works with the anti-celebrity meme McCain has been using, SIV.

|8.25.08 @ 2:11PM|#

@ John:

do you really have that much faith in obama and the dems to actually accomplish something that substantial (like universal healthcare or massive tax hikes) while in office? you clearly know nothing about bureaucracy.

|8.25.08 @ 2:15PM|#

Clearly, Hillary's supporters think there is a difference between the two.

The big two that Clinton has are a vagina and white skin.

BDB|8.25.08 @ 2:15PM|#

...and the last name "Clinton".

ktc2|8.25.08 @ 2:20PM|#

Kolohe,

Isn't Mordor where one would expect to find Republicans?

|8.25.08 @ 2:30PM|#

In another time and place, he would have been a great writer for Pravda under Stalin.

See, Dave. You're really no different than a man who had over 20 million people murdered.

That's how it is in John's world.

|8.25.08 @ 2:32PM|#

Is John McCain going to trot out big name ethnic entertainer endorsements all during the DemocRAT Party convention week?

Daddy Yankee's endorsement is huge.

Daddy Yankee is even bigger than the Decembrists. And we all know they are the ones who drew 70,000 to that Obama speech in Portland.

|8.25.08 @ 2:39PM|#

Clearly, Hillary's supporters think there is a difference between the two

Yes, he isn't she. That's all they have left. It's odd: they support Hillary, but not what she stands for. Of course, they might believe that Hillary doesn't stand for what Hillary stands for--which is I suppose a possibility.

What the Hillary supporters do when she officially tells them at the convention to support Obama will tell us something about the nature of their support for her. If these "deadenders" are a cult of personality, then it will be a "Fine! I am the Messiah!" situation a la Life of Brian, and Obama will not get their support.

Naga Sadow|8.25.08 @ 2:41PM|#

John,

What's your deal with Weigel? Do you need the doll courtrooms use to show the jury where he touched you?

Kolohe|8.25.08 @ 3:03PM|#

ktc2 @2:20

Exactly

Paul|8.25.08 @ 3:04PM|#

There's only one reason I could think that any Dem delegate would vote for McCain. They're making the colossal gamble that if Obama loses, Hillary can run in 2012. If Obama wins the election, his administration is in a strong position to remain in office for the next eight years, if not twelve-- barring any major scandals or total and complete blundering. Hillary's an impatient woman. Or so I hear.

In the end, I really think that this is a gamble that no Dem voter is willing to make.

Paul|8.25.08 @ 3:08PM|#

what she's doing and why she's doing it, try to picture her not as teh Hildebeast with the dark powers, spinning wheels within wheels within wheels, but as an ordinary candidate, whose actions can be understand more or less like any other politicians' actions.

joe, I read your posts on the Dems and Hillary because I find them interesting and you have a pretty good perspective. But I didn't understand this post... What're you trying to say?

SIV|8.25.08 @ 3:10PM|#

If Obama wins the election, his administration is in a strong position to remain in office for the next eight years, if not twelve --

President for Life Barack Obama.
I know some economic pessimists who think we are nothing but a banana republic already.

Paul|8.25.08 @ 3:11PM|#

Is it really a good idea to give Michelle Obama a prime time speech?

I suppose it depends on which candidate you're rooting for.

Paul|8.25.08 @ 3:13PM|#

SIV,

I'm assuming you know I meant a run through with Presisent Biden clinching for years 9-12?

Paul|8.25.08 @ 3:14PM|#

erh "President Biden"

I will use the preview button
I will use the preview button
I will use the preview button

BDB|8.25.08 @ 3:14PM|#

No Paul. Remember, this is Libruh Fascism year.

|8.25.08 @ 3:21PM|#

I think I now have it figgered out. We now have both

REASON'S 2008 LIVE
Convention Coverage

and

HIT & RUN.

I feel like a very old dog today. ;-(

Seitz|8.25.08 @ 3:47PM|#

Sure Charles, whatever you say. Just ignore the fact that Biden is hugely popular in Pennsylvania, especially parts where Obama didn't do very well in the Primary. Plus, he's an excellent attack dog, which is exactly what a VP candidate should be, and what Obama needs. Hillary would have shut up a few of the nutjobs who claim they'll vote for McCain over Obama because she's not on the ticket, but they're few and far between. Plus, with Biden's support of women's issues (Violence Against Women Act), he'll bring the Hillary supporters who have maintained the capacity to think rationally.

|8.25.08 @ 3:51PM|#

Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. proverbs 16:18

Paul|8.25.08 @ 3:51PM|#

Hillary Clinton clearly would have strengthened the Democrat ticket.

I think that's a matter of opinion, often expressed by die-hard Hillary supporters. In the rest of America, however...

|8.25.08 @ 3:53PM|#

Paul|8.25.08 @ 3:54PM|#

Violence Against Women Act),

Oh crap, Biden supported this constitutional abortion? So he's never read it, either. Great.

|8.25.08 @ 3:56PM|#

Hillary Clinton clearly would have strengthened the Democrat ticket. Biden is a net zero, neither adding or subtracting. Obama must believe that he can win without Hillary (or Michelle nixed the deal). Pride goeth before a fall.

The VP slot is about avoiding alienating the electorate. Hillary Clinton, negatives, lot's of them. Biden, much less so. She'd sink the ticket.

Plus Obama lied in the debate. He really doesn't find her "likable enough". But then, who does?

Paul|8.25.08 @ 3:56PM|#

Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

And I goeth before my boss if I screw up those TPS reports...

|8.25.08 @ 4:03PM|#

J sub, maybe he wasn't lying. Maybe he'd had a couple cocktails to relax before the debate and in that slightly drunk horndog state of mind, he really did find her "likable enough."

|8.25.08 @ 4:24PM|#

Well at least HRC has more racist supporters than Ron Paul.

Biden is virtually unknown here in Pennsylvania. The idea that he is hugely popular here is a media creation.

I am far from a Hillary supporter, but rather a Republican who is thankful that we dodged a bullet when Obama ignored Hillary.

Obama is in serious trouble in Pennsylvania, despite the polls, for the simple reason that he is "black." Just ask Lynn Swann. And much of the anti-black vote is blue-collar, union Democrats, not those nasty Republicans.

Just remember that Bush narrowly lost Pennsylvania against stronger candidates than Obama, and that no Democrat has been elected President withou winning Pennsylvania since Harry Truman. Pennsylvania will be the "Florida" of this election, and will not be decided until early morning when the western PA vote is counted.

SIV|8.25.08 @ 4:28PM|#

Plus, with Biden's support of women's issues (Violence Against Women Act)

Another reason to vote against Obama!

BDB|8.25.08 @ 4:30PM|#

Yeah, western PA would never elect a Jew from Philly!

Oh wait...

J|8.25.08 @ 4:37PM|#

I heard he's Biden his time until some LoneWacko tries to kill Obama.

|8.25.08 @ 5:05PM|#

If Biden is the strongest possible pick, then the democrats are suffering from a severe dearth of talent.

-jcr

|8.25.08 @ 5:23PM|#

Is this the Dem Convention for Hillary or Bill?I am so sick of them. You know what, it's time to move on, and I don't really believe there are that many Hillary supporters who are not voting for Obama, as the media portrays. Unless Hillary owns these people and they don't have minds of their own, she can keep um.

|8.25.08 @ 5:29PM|#

to BDB:

Ed Rendell won on his personality. Many voters are likely unaware of his religion, which in any event is not as prejudicial as race.

The Democrat strength in PA is mostly located in Philadelphia and its suburbs. Western PA will support some moderate union-type Democrats, but not Obama. Just go to any working-class bar or fire hall social club and see how many blacks are present. Oh, wait, fire company social halls are private clubs created to exclude blacks (and populated by working-class democrats, not those racist Republicans).

Check the results from the Pennsylvania Democrat primary, and see how few votes Obama received outside the Philadelphia ghetto.

As described by James Carville, "Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with Alabama in between".

|8.25.08 @ 5:44PM|#

I find it absolutely amazing that Democrats are so negative about Bill Clinton, the only Democrat elected President in the last 40 years (except for the aberration of one-term Jimmy Peanut). Obama will join McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Algore, and the Windsurfer in the hall of left-wing losers. Clinton knew that victory was in the center, which McCain has grabbed this time by virtue of a vacuum created by the hard left.

|8.25.08 @ 9:44PM|#

Paul,

Often, when you read commentary about Hillary Clinton, there is an absurd level of the black helicopter paranoia. People come up with these implausible scenarios to explain why whatever happened is part of the Clinton Master Plan.

There's just been so much of this nonsense surrounding both of them for so long in, and dutifully passed on the "liberal" media, that its become difficult to see her and not the fevered imaginings about her.

|8.26.08 @ 8:23AM|#

Why should we bow down to Obama?
Hillary was treated with no respect during her campaign, Borack was the top person doing it! Although he tried to act like he wasn't.
I do not know why Hillary chooses to support this fake, but, I believe in free thinking and will not vote for him because someone tells me too.
He is in my opinion wrong for this country, He lacks basic intelligence and experience.
So I remain committed to Hillary Clinton, She will make a great President in 4 years, I will be waiting to vote for her!

|8.26.08 @ 8:40AM|#

Larry King said last night rather angrily, "I don't like people who won't vote for a man just because of his race." Someone on the show practically said that's the American way. It's talk like that has gotten us where we are today in America. In the dumpster. You reap what you sow. You sow racism you reap destruction.

|8.26.08 @ 9:27AM|#

So, "Redphilly", if Obama loses will it be because America is a racist country. Will you riot and loot liquor stores and TV stores?

Only you and Michelle Obama believe that America is "in the dumpster." But if you live in Philly, you may get that impression, because Philly is one big dumpster.

All people who are not voting for Obama are not racists!
I am not voting for him because he is not smart enough to do the job!
We need someone with experience, compassion and tenacity and who commands respect like Hillary.
Obama has lied and been caught so many times, I have never trusted him and as time goes on, more people are on to him. Read the post above about a lawsuit filed against Obama. Speaks volumes.

lolcat|8.26.08 @ 9:36AM|#

cheryl is be for learn troll

|8.26.08 @ 10:01AM|#

Cheryl:

Don't be intimidated. You are not alone. I know several women at work, all lifetime Democrats, who are considering voting for McCain.

My wife, a lifelong Republican, was so disturbed by the gender bias and shabby treatment of hillary during the primaries that she was actively rooting for Hillary, something that I never would have believed.

What I have learned from this campaign is that it is OK to be openly biased on gender and age, but that even the slightest hint of criticism of Obama is labeled racist.

Objectarian|8.26.08 @ 12:04PM|#

Charles, your team red martyr approach is really just beautiful.

"Will you riot and loot liquor stores and TV stores?"

Uh, okaaay ...

|8.26.08 @ 12:51PM|#

Objectarian:

I refuse to accept the media color-coding. It is the Democrat party who are "Reds."

As for rioting in the face of a loss (or even victory), considering history and the Obama base, rioting is likely.

|8.26.08 @ 3:52PM|#

"At night, we will hold a "Happy Hour for Hillary" for all the Democrat delegates, especially supporters of Senator Hillary Clinton"

"GOP To Get Hillary Fans Drunk, Take Advantage"

Who was it who said bipartisan is just another word for date rape?

|8.26.08 @ 5:41PM|#

Jesus, you mccain supporters and pumas are pathetic. obama and hillary are basically one and the same. black or female, take your pick.
it was never the obama camp saying anything sexist, it was the media insinuating racism and/or sexism at every turn.
fuck you all - it doesnt matter if obama or mccain win, either way, the american public loses.

|9.3.08 @ 12:00PM|#

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