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John Edwards' Two Americas Lady-Friends
The irritating, honey-throated trial lawyer,
son-of-a-mill-worker, and reigning Father of the Year
has
admitted what only the
National Enquirer, Mickey Kaus, and about
75,000 blogs were heretofore brave enough to discuss − he has
been cheating on his cancer-stricken wife with a gal named Rielle
Hunter. But just like Michael Jackson,
Edwards swears the kid is not his son
daughter. Finally, a political sex scandal involving sex!
Just desserts? Tabloid irrelevance? Tawdry-but-thrilling entertainment? Consider this your open thread.
Bonus Edwards quote, about Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky: "I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen."
UPDATE: Nick Gillespie beat me to the punch, with bonus links and media angles, just below.
John Hawthorn|8.8.08 @ 4:36PM|#
I can't believe I find myself thinking this, I mean, what did I expect. Nevertheless...what a douche.
Jon|8.8.08 @ 4:36PM|#
Can we get some pics of this woman for a "To Hit It or Not To Hit It" analysis?
Elemenope|8.8.08 @ 4:37PM|#
"I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect
for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his
friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is
breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has
risen."
Personally I think the moral dimensions of political
leadership begin and end with knowing that torture is wrong, the
Constitution is the Owner's Manual to which one swears an oath to
follow, and that force is the last refuge of desperation.
But, it seems, many are still stuck on it mattering where you stick
your dick.
|8.8.08 @ 4:38PM|#
Talk about throwing the (loaded) dice. Having an affair on your cancer-stricken wife before the presidential primaries.
Barack HUSSEIN Obama|8.8.08 @ 4:41PM|#
On the plus side, we should never have to hear from him,
ever again.
Except as AmericaWeCanBeProudOf's Attorney General suing Big Free
Enterprise, the greedy, environmentally racist, unsafe
workplacing,.78 for every dollar a man makes Gaia raping, corporate
fascists who didn't pony up BIG for my campaign.
|8.8.08 @ 4:44PM|#
That skank looks like a bleach blonde version of Elizabeth, who still perplexes me. Pretty boys with ugly wives mean one thing, and it starts with "closet". I suspect that's the underlying thing here, so this "scandal" becoming public isn't a huge deal to Edwards or his cancer stricken wife.
|8.8.08 @ 4:44PM|#
The root cause of this is, of course, female videographers. They are amoral and devoid of character. And they all wanna be Leni Riefenstahl anyway.
Episiarch|8.8.08 @ 4:49PM|#
Can we get some pics of this woman for a "To Hit It or Not
To Hit It" analysis?
She's not impressive. She probably dresses up as a boy for him or
something. Just google her name.
duster|8.8.08 @ 4:51PM|#
But, it seems, many are still stuck on it mattering where
you stick your dick.
As one recent H+R poster recently pointed out( I think it was
Weigel), media outlets have a problem with using the 'P'
word(Policy). Things alluding to another 'P' word(Penis) are, of
course, pure gold to them.
|8.8.08 @ 4:53PM|#
Elemenope,
Well, I thought the man had character flaws up the wazoo to begin
with. And, frankly, I think a guy who lacks personal ethics and
morals doesn't deserve my vote. Caesar's wife should be above
suspicion.
Jon|8.8.08 @ 4:53PM|#
"Episiarch | August 8, 2008, 4:49pm
She's not impressive. She probably dresses up as a boy for him or
something. Just google her name."
AAAAAHhhhh Someone get me some eye-bleach.
|8.8.08 @ 4:57PM|#
Geeze, and I thought Monica Lewinski was not worth it.
She's even less attractive.
|8.8.08 @ 4:57PM|#
On the plus side, he is not a GOP gayfag like Mark Foley, Larry
Craig, countless "reverends" and George W. Bush (see Victor
Ashe).
I doubt Edwards had to dribble into a test tube to "create" twins
like the Bushpig did, but Edwards probably does not recoil at the
sight of vagina like our Dear Leader does.
Jon|8.8.08 @ 4:58PM|#
Listen rana if she's working for Edwards, she lost her brain a
long time ago.
I like smart women, they're a huge turn on.
Given that this woman apparently has no brains ... all I can do is
go on looks.
Episiarch|8.8.08 @ 4:58PM|#
Fuck. Are ALL men alike?!!! Someone, please, give me some
hope.
HAHAHAHAHA
What else are we supposed to say? That's he's an amoral douchebag?
We already knew that. Now we need to discuss the details, and that
includes the quality of his poon-on-the-side.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 4:59PM|#
Kudos to the Inquirer!
It's funny reading all these liberals up in arms over a "private
matter" when Republican sex scandals seem to bring great ecstasy to
many of them.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 5:04PM|#
The real scandal isn't the sex but that people gave Edwards lots
of money to change America only to have it funneled to his
mistress.
And I bet a lot of those people weren't rich.
Seitz|8.8.08 @ 5:06PM|#
It's funny reading all these liberals up in arms over a "private
matter" when Republican sex scandals seem to bring great ecstasy to
many of them.
That's because there's usually an element of illegality to them.
Like going after teenaged boys, or looking for gay sex in airport
bathrooms.
I don't recall a lot of liberals calling Spitzer's indiscretion a
"private matter". Most thought he was a dumbass and should have
resigned. Bitchin straw man, though.
Elemenope|8.8.08 @ 5:07PM|#
Well, I thought the man had character flaws up the wazoo to
begin with. And, frankly, I think a guy who lacks personal ethics
and morals doesn't deserve my vote. Caesar's wife should be above
suspicion.
I was certainly no fan of Edwards, but I am personally leery of
imputing character flaws to people I have not met and interacted
with a decent amount of time except to the extent of their public
actions already on record.
And most of our best presidents were fucking bastards, with few
redeeming qualities. Among those redeeming qualities happened to be
"can lead a country decently".
|8.8.08 @ 5:08PM|#
"Rana, John Edwards was your source of hope in men?"
"What else are we supposed to say? That's he's an amoral douchebag?
We already knew that. Now we need to discuss the details, and that
includes the quality of his poon-on-the-side."
Well, I just realized my cry for help could be interpreted in many
ways...
I meant Jezuz'friggin'Christ, are there any decent guys left? you
know, some guy who doesnt cheat on his dying wife?! (and, no,
Nigel, it would be beyond absurd to pin my hopes on Edwards- whom I
believe to be a pretty-boy-closet-gay. And, Epi, go ahead and
discuss away the "nailability" of Hunter.. que mas queda?)
|8.8.08 @ 5:11PM|#
Look, the pertinent question is, which is more important,
Freedom or Morals?
The Moral Party, the GOP (stop laughing now) obviously will choke
back their communion wafer on this tidbit - all the time pushing
for prohibitions against reproductive freedom.
The Freedom Party will denounce Edwards in astonishment - but yet
uphold his principals - so I ask you, "who is the better
man"?
Me? I prefer JFK over Nixon.
Same reasons..
Yes, I know. Marilyn looks good now. Tricky Dick looks like he was
holding Billy Graham's dick in his mouth the whole time....
Give me a humanist over a reject anytime...
|8.8.08 @ 5:12PM|#
Wretched scum but good president is something we can only assess after they've been in office. My point is that if I know the guy is a creep, I'm not voting for him. And I'm not limiting this to sexual issues, either.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 5:14PM|#
It seems to me Clinton's indiscretions involved illegalities.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Edwards broke campaign finance laws.
Oh, and then there's Barney Frank.
Nice try, though, dude.
|8.8.08 @ 5:17PM|#
he has been cheating on his cancer-stricken wife with a gal
named Rielle Hunter.
had been. or was. or used to. This story is about an affair that
ended in 2006.
Pretty boys with ugly wives mean one thing, and it starts with
"closet".
She's hot in their wedding pictures.
|8.8.08 @ 5:19PM|#
It seems to me Clinton's indiscretions involved
illegalities. Nope. Not even an accusation of anything illegal
about the affair.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Edwards broke campaign finance
laws. I'm sure you wouldn't.
Oh, and then there's Barney Frank. From what I've seen,
that was a huge scandal that got a lot of press when it broke. Back
when I was in first grade.
Nice try, though, d00d.
|8.8.08 @ 5:20PM|#
This is just the icing on the scumbag cake for Edwards.
Remember him sending an aid to scam a free PS3 out of Walmart even
as he was bashing them on the stump.
Or this little jewel from Bob Shrum on why Kerry was queasy about
him as a running mate.
Edwards had told Kerry he was going to share a story with him
that he'd never told anyone else-that after his son Wade had been
killed, he climbed onto the slab at the funeral home, laid there
and hugged his body, and promised that he'd do all he could to make
life better for people, to live up to Wade's ideals of service.
Kerry was stunned, not moved, because, as he told me later, Edwards
had recounted the same exact story to him, almost in the exact same
words, a year or two before-and with the same preface, that he'd
never shared the memory with anyone else.
The guy is sleaze incarnate. I'm sorry for his wife, but that's
what you get for marrying an obvious douche.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 5:20PM|#
I won't defend the GOP, but do you really believe the Democratic
Party is the "Freedom Party"?
This is a party that wants government involved in every facet of
our lives (outside the bedroom.) This is a party that would
confiscate every gun tomorrow if they could away it, this is a
party dedicated to robing the fruits of our labor in order to
create an equality of outcomes.
Please.
|8.8.08 @ 5:22PM|#
Wretched scum but good president is something we can only
assess after they've been in office. My point is that if I know the
guy is a creep, I'm not voting for him. And I'm not limiting this
to sexual issues, either
But you're a fucking idiot.
I oppose Edwards' socialized medicine too. But if that were OFF the
table - with 70% of Congress opposing it... he is EXACTLY the type
president a Libertarian would want.
Anti-war, anti-drug war, anti drag war, anti nation building, anti
all wars....
Its just the Socialized Medicine sticking in your craw - where that
issue should be killed in the House of Representatives.
Zeb|8.8.08 @ 5:23PM|#
Honestly, is it really so hard not to fuck you staff? I have
been going through my whole life not having inappropriate affairs
and doing so wouldn't even ruin my career.
But why should I give a fuck. I've always thought Edwards was the
biggest fake piece of shit in a whole pool full of fake pieces of
shit. Just glad he won't be running again.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 5:25PM|#
Here you equivocating again, joe.
As long they promote your goals, anything they do is golden.
If I recall Clinton lied about the affair(s) under oath. That's a
crime in every world but yours.
That Barney Frank did what he did 30 years ago, makes what he did
okay? He's still serving the last time I checked.
|8.8.08 @ 5:25PM|#
Bottom line -
Edwards is a one term senator and losing VP candidate. In the
history books he'll be an asterisk.
See ya.
|8.8.08 @ 5:26PM|#
he has been cheating on his cancer-stricken wife
I predicted that Obama/Edwards would lose to McCain/Romney.
Can I get a mulligan?
|8.8.08 @ 5:28PM|#
I won't defend the GOP, but do you really believe the
Democratic Party is the "Freedom Party"?
You're goddamn right.
Because there is no FREEDOM - until my personal DNA, right to die,
right to conceive, right to fuck who I want, right to avoid Christ
Fags who push mandatory prayer, right to marry, right to hate GOP
gayFags, right to Blasphemy, right to porn (Gawd Bless you old
useless Cawk, Larry Flynt) etc is FUCKING RESPECTED by the Goddamn
Legislature!
Seitz|8.8.08 @ 5:29PM|#
That's a crime in every world but yours.
Actually it's not. You may want to read a perjury statute some
day.
This is a party that wants government involved in every facet
of our lives (outside the bedroom.) This is a party that would
confiscate every gun tomorrow if they could away it, this is a
party dedicated to robing the fruits of our labor in order to
create an equality of outcomes.
Normally I'd assume this was satire, but since everything else
you've posted has been pretty bat-shit insane, I'm not sure whether
to laugh or cry.
Elemenope|8.8.08 @ 5:30PM|#
If I recall Clinton lied about the affair(s) under oath.
That's a crime in every world but yours.
It's only a crime if they had a legal basis to ask the question in
the first place.
Which they didn't.
Elemenope|8.8.08 @ 5:32PM|#
shrike, this:
Because there is no FREEDOM - until my personal DNA, right to
die, right to conceive, right to fuck who I want, right to avoid
Christ Fags who push mandatory prayer, right to marry, right to
hate GOP gayFags, right to Blasphemy, right to porn (Gawd Bless you
old useless Cawk, Larry Flynt) etc is FUCKING RESPECTED by the
Goddamn Legislature!
is not what is called being a help.
|8.8.08 @ 5:33PM|#
I predicted that Obama/Edwards would lose to
McCain/Romney.
Can I get a mulligan?
Nope. I predicted Edwards would be Obama's VP choice as well. Oh
well. Do I want to go double or nothing?
|8.8.08 @ 5:33PM|#
OK, now I put my estrogen aside...
I had to look up a picture of Hunter (inquiring minds want to
know)...
Well, she is not a beauty but she is not a troll either. Dunno, if
I were a guy, and really drunk, I'd do her.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 5:33PM|#
Great reply to my arguments. You can only reply with insults. I
wonder why?
And why don't you explain perjury statues, genius? Why wasn't it
perjury?
Seitz|8.8.08 @ 5:35PM|#
And why don't you explain perjury statues, genius? Why
wasn't it perjury?
There's this thing called materiality. You may want to look it up.
I'd help you, but I'm too busy trying to confiscate everyone's guns
and redistribute everyone's wealth. It'd be a lot easier if they'd
come out of their bedrooms, since that the one place I won't
go.
|8.8.08 @ 5:36PM|#
Colin,
You don't know what the word "equivocate" means, do you? You keep
misusing it to a degree that makes it obvious.
If I recall Clinton lied about the affair(s) under oath.
Which wasn't the question. You wrote that Clinton's "indiscretions"
involved illegal behavior, in response to the observation that
Democrats' affairs don't usually involve criminal acts. Pointing
out that he lied a few years later in a deposition is wholly
irrelevant. Why weren't people upset about Bill Clinton's affair?
Because the affair didn't involve any illegal acts. Nice try,
though, dude.
That Barney Frank did what he did 30 years ago, makes what he
did okay? First, he didn't do anything illegal, his lover did.
Second, what part of "it was a big scandal and got a lot of press"
is eluding you? Nice try, though, dude.
|8.8.08 @ 5:38PM|#
It's only a crime if they had a legal basis to ask the
question in the first place.
Which they didn't.
Wrong. It was perjury in a civil lawsuit. Ask my mayor or county
D.A. about how that works.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 5:38PM|#
If it were immaterial, why didn't his legal team object? He certainly must've had more than adequate council.
|8.8.08 @ 5:38PM|#
This story is about an affair that ended in 2006.
Sez who?
Look, if he's dropping by her hotel room at 2:00 am, I won't find
it hard to believe that he's not still, you know.
Who visits their ex-mistresses in hotel rooms, anyway? At
2:00 am?
Who has pictures taken with someone else's baby, in a hotel room,
wearing a t-shirt?
I'm not sure what it would take to convince me that he's not a
lying sac, still trying to retain some tatter of a career by
pretending he wasn't banging the skank while his wife was sick with
cancer.
|8.8.08 @ 5:39PM|#
Well, I may be a fucking idiot, but I'm a principled fucking idiot. Besides, I don't like Edwards for a whole host of reasons.
BDB|8.8.08 @ 5:40PM|#
I don't buy that it stopped in 2006. I also don't buy that the
baby isn't his.
Hes a slimebag.
|8.8.08 @ 5:44PM|#
Elemenope-
Autonomy over your body and self-direction is the primary
Foundation of LIBERTY!
I respect you!
But please tell me how personal moral decisions are subject to the
whims of government?
YES, I do hate "religionists" who want to legislate these decision
for all.... I have a PROFOUND BIAS to personal autonomy.....
|8.8.08 @ 5:45PM|#
BTW joe how does it feel to defend adultery?
I wouldn't know. How does it feel to defend keeping people in
poverty? I've noticed that you have this annoying habit of not
agreeing with every thing ever said by people who find an example
of poverty. You must be so ashamed.
|8.8.08 @ 5:45PM|#
Well, I may be a fucking idiot, but I'm a principled fucking
idiot. Besides, I don't like Edwards for a whole host of
reasons.
Case settled.
BDB|8.8.08 @ 5:47PM|#
The thing thats fascinating to me is the self-destructive streak. He wanted to get the nomination of the Democratic Party KNOWING something like this could blow up in October and hand the election to his opponent.
BIngo|8.8.08 @ 5:50PM|#
rana:
All the decent men are married... or bitter misogynists after
dealing with the horrible women out there.
Seitz|8.8.08 @ 5:51PM|#
If it were immaterial, why didn't his legal team object? He
certainly must've had more than adequate council.
I'm not here to teach you the rules of evidence. You generally
cannot object (except as to form) in depositions or grand jury
hearings (during which the "legal team" isn't even present in the
room).
Hey, here's an idea, why don't you do some of your own research,
find a clue or two, and get some of these answers for yourself?
Colin|8.8.08 @ 5:52PM|#
How does it feel to defend keeping people in
poverty?
Explain how can something or someone can keep people in
poverty.
And what's your plan for poverty? Redistributing wealth?
|8.8.08 @ 5:53PM|#
The thing thats fascinating to me is the self-destructive
streak. He wanted to get the nomination of the Democratic Party
KNOWING something like this could blow up in October and hand the
election to his opponent.
Bingo. This poster has identified the fatal flaw of Edwards.
|8.8.08 @ 5:54PM|#
Its just the Socialized Medicine sticking in your
craw
"Just"?
Yeah, just that one little thing...
Dagny T.|8.8.08 @ 5:55PM|#
Well, she is not a beauty but she is not a troll
either.i>
Rana,
I agree! At least she's not a whale. The guys on this site have
high standards, I'll give 'em that.
Obviously Spitzer's was hotter, but that's just this girl's
opinion.
|8.8.08 @ 6:00PM|#
Joe, for quite a while there were many on the left claiming that
even consensual sex between an employer and employee was per se
sexual harrassment, because of the power imbalance. If it's not
illegal, it wasn't for lack of trying on their part. Of course,
after Lewinsky, the previous overwhelming importance of expanding
sexual harassment laws went away, for some strange reason....
Shrike, it's absurd to say that except for the socialized medicine
thing, Edwards is fine with libertarians. The guy made millions
suing doctors, and thus making giving birth more expensive, based
on junk science (the idea that babies wouldn't have cerebral palsy
[IIRC] if only the doctors had done a Caesarian section). Most
libertarians dislike scamming trial lawyers.
|8.8.08 @ 6:01PM|#
I meant Jezuz'friggin'Christ, are there any decent guys
left? you know, some guy who doesnt cheat on his dying
wife?!
Yes and they are all married and wont cheat on their wife to be
with you.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 6:02PM|#
Well, I clearly don't have the legal expertize you have,
scholar. All I know he was convicted of perjury by (an albeit
partisan) House. 50 Senators voted to convict him of obstruction of
justice.
And later on, in a different sex scandal, he was cited for contempt
of court, causing the suspension of his law license.
If you don't want to consider these "crimes" relating to a sex
scandal, fine with me.
|8.8.08 @ 6:03PM|#
How does it feel to defend keeping people in
poverty?
Actually joe to find that out i would ask you.
|8.8.08 @ 6:05PM|#
rana | August 8, 2008, 4:55pm | #
Fuck. Are ALL men alike?!!! Someone, please, give me some
hope.
Well, unless you think all men are amoral twits like Edwards, then,
no, we're not all alike.
Got three sisters, each of whom ran through dozens of dirtbags
before they found a decent guy.
If every guy you date invariably turns out to be pondscum, perhaps
you need to revisit which guys you ignored while getting attracted
to the pondscum, and ponder if you somehow systematically screened
out the decent ones. Your search parameters may need
tweaking.
Just sayin' ...
Seitz|8.8.08 @ 6:08PM|#
Well, contempt is not a "crime". And no, you don't have the
legal expertise that I do.
50 Senators voted to convict him of obstruction of
justice.
Every single one of them Republican. What a shock. They probably
could have gone 40 votes to convict him of kidnapping the Lindbergh
baby.
So no, they aren't "crimes" related to a sex scandal, but even that
completely misses the point that the SEX IN QUESTION WASN'T
INHERENTLY ILLEGAL! It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
It's not like trying to pick up on high school boys. It's not like
going to a prostitute. It's not like soliciting sex on airport
bathrooms. It's sex between consenting adults. Making any sense to
you yet?
What Edwards and Clinton did was pretty despicable. It wasn't
criminal. Big difference.
|8.8.08 @ 6:10PM|#
http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/intel/07/10/10_hunter_lgl.jpg
I would do it.
Note: I do not have a wife, cancer ridden or other wise
Seitz|8.8.08 @ 6:13PM|#
Lying about it in court is criminal.
Not necessarily, but that's already been covered.
Bingo|8.8.08 @ 6:13PM|#
Jesus christ, if I'm ever a rich ass trial lawyer I would hope to find a better mistress than that. Does she share a stable with Sarah Jessica Parker?
Elemenope|8.8.08 @ 6:14PM|#
Autonomy over your body and self-direction is the primary
Foundation of LIBERTY!
Yup.
But please tell me how personal moral decisions are subject to
the whims of government?
They shouldn't be. But my point was not so much the content of your
post so much as the form.
YES, I do hate "religionists" who want to legislate these
decision for all.... I have a PROFOUND BIAS to personal
autonomy.....
I don't hate them, I just think they're wrong. Everyone (including
me) gets stupid around their own pet issues, informed as they may
be by subjective and un-reflective experiences, personal bias, lack
of data, and so forth. Christianists in America are only
*dangerous* because there are a sizable number of them, they are
manipulating a common and foundational cultural trope (getting in
the back door of the bullshit detector, as it were), and have
founded a parasitic relationship with a much larger major political
party.
|8.8.08 @ 6:16PM|#
Prolefeed,
Thanks for the advice... I will let my single girlfriends
know.
I am married to a great guy, who, up to now, has given me no reason
to believe he would do this to me.
Mine was a knee-jerk reaction to a situation I have seen happen to
someone very dear to me.
I supposse I cant blame you for thinking that my experience with
men has been bad or that I am somehow a man hater... Quite the
opposite (i guess I have been lucky).
Joshua,
Edwards IS married. And if he cheated on his cancer-stricken wife
with an average-looking woman, he would just about die to be with
me!!!
But not that I'm looking to cheat on MY husband.
Just sayin'...
Urkobold™|8.8.08 @ 6:18PM|#
DAGNY T.,
TELL THE URKOBOLD MORE ABOUT YOUR GIRL-LUST FOR SPITZER'S
WHORE.
|8.8.08 @ 6:22PM|#
And if he cheated on his cancer-stricken wife with an
average-looking woman, he would just about die to be with
me!!!
Not to delve to far into Edwards psyc but it is not beyond reason
for a man taking care of his dying wife to want to bag something.
Looks might not be the major motivator here. (note: I actually
think for her age hunter is pretty good looking)
Paul|8.8.08 @ 6:23PM|#
OK, now I put my estrogen aside...
Edwards put his aside, too.
I'm here all week.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 6:24PM|#
Well, I'm certainly going to nitpick legal definitions, and I
made clear the partisan nature of the conviction. The fact is the
scandal(s) wasn't only about sex.
And it's still yet to be seen if Edwards broke any laws.
My intended original point was only that a political sex scandal
should be treated equally, regardless of political party of the
participant.
|8.8.08 @ 6:24PM|#
The thing thats fascinating to me is the self-destructive
streak. He wanted to get the nomination of the Democratic Party
KNOWING something like this could blow up in October and hand the
election to his opponent.
I don't think this is true. People in positions of great power and
influence, who've had a great deal of success, often come to think
of themselves as untouchable. He probably thought he was so
brilliant and smooth that he couldn't get caught.
Explain how can something or someone can keep people in
poverty. No. I will explain something else, though, since the
rather obvious point I made had, surprise surprise, eluded you:
being skeptical or indisposed towards the statements a group of
politically-minded people make about Subject X is not the same
thing as defending X. I need to explain this to a self-proclaimed
libertarian? That's pathetic, Colin.
Papaya SF, I think your smooshing a great deal together here:
Joe, for quite a while there were many on the left claiming
that even consensual sex between an employer and employee was per
se sexual harrassment, because of the power imbalance. There
is a small group that contends that all such relationships are, by
definition, sexual harassment. There is a much larger group that
recognizes that the power imbalance can complicate things. Even
among the latter group, there are differences over where to draw
the line. Among "leftists" as a whole, there is probably something
under 10% who would consider it sexual harassment for a boss to
carry on with an employee who keeps coming onto him.
|8.8.08 @ 6:29PM|#
My intended original point was only that a political sex
scandal should be treated equally, regardless of political party of
the participant.
Actually, your original point is that they ARE not treated equally.
When someone pointed out the difference between a sex-only scandal
and a sex-and-crime scandal, you came up with two examples.
One was Bill Clinton - an episode in which, when an act of
questionable legality was committed years later, resulted in the
New York Times and Washington Post running editorials calling for
him to resign from office.
The other was Barney Frank - an episode which, when an illegal act
by Frank's lover came to light, resulted in massive media coverage
and calls for him to resign.
And you did this in response to the story about Jonathan Edwards'
affair, which is getting wide media coverage and producing haughty
denunciations, and which doesn't appear to involve any illegal
activity.
|8.8.08 @ 6:30PM|#
Obviously Spitzer's was hotter, but that's just this girl's
opinion.
You get what you pay for.
|8.8.08 @ 6:31PM|#
I don't hate them, I just think they're wrong. Everyone
(including me) gets stupid around their own pet issues, informed as
they may be by subjective and un-reflective experiences, personal
bias, lack of data, and so forth. Christianists in America are only
*dangerous* because there are a sizable number of them, they are
manipulating a common and foundational cultural trope (getting in
the back door of the bullshit detector, as it were), and have
founded a parasitic relationship with a much larger major political
party.
A subtle difference from me - but you might have a future is
politics - I DON'T!
Good wordsmithying on your part.
You are good. For real.
I am a fucking Irish bastard. I hate these cocksuckers like
TallDave.
Let the difference be noted - and duly celebrated!
|8.8.08 @ 6:33PM|#
I don't get to post here often, boys - maybe twice a week.
But I promise, from now onward I will ratchet my hostility
up.
Fuck the bastards.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 6:34PM|#
I'll admit I'm having a difficult time understanding the charge
you're making against me. But being called "pathetic" by someone of
your caliber is the supreme badge of honor. Thank you.
And you can't answer the original question because you have none.
It's you and your socialism that's pathetic.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 6:38PM|#
Actually, your original point is that they ARE not treated
equally.
You missed a word, bub. Take a look again. I said "intended."
|8.8.08 @ 6:39PM|#
I'll admit I'm having a difficult time understanding the
charge you're making against me.
Gee, you don't say.
Um...you're welcome?
And you can't answer the original question because you have
none. Yes, there can't possibly be any other reason why I'd
decide not to be distracted from pummeling your sorry ass by a
threadjack after you took a shot at me.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 6:43PM|#
Gee, you don't say
I say. I say. Please rephrase. In English this time.
Pummeling my ass, eh? Better take a look at your own backside. It's
pretty red.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 6:45PM|#
And it's you who threadjacked -- by lodging that "poverty" attack in response to that guy's question relating to infidelity.
Elemenope|8.8.08 @ 6:46PM|#
Well...thanks, Shrike. I hope I don't have a future in politics,
though. I do not relish the notion of a nation (or any other
polity) going through my and my family's life with a fine-tooth
comb to "vet" me.
And I've got a little Irish in me, too. :)
|8.8.08 @ 6:57PM|#
I say. I say. Please rephrase. In English this
time.
Already done, at 6:29.
Your accusation is bullshit. Comprende?
And it's you who threadjacked -- by lodging that "poverty"
attack in response to that guy's question relating to
infidelity.
Wow. You aren't kidding, are you? You actually didn't understand
that I was using poverty as an example to demonstrate the illogic
of BDB's charge. You thought I was...wow.
Good night, Colin, and I'm sorry. I'm going to go pick on someone
my own size now.
Jon|8.8.08 @ 7:02PM|#
Paul | August 8, 2008, 6:23pm |
OK, now I put my estrogen aside...
Edwards put his aside, too.
I'm here all week.
AAAAA OOOOO!
Seriously though ... politics attracts shitstains. Said shitstains
that happen to be very good at telling people what they want to
hear and then deflecting criticism on others. Essentially their
entire existence is about not being accountable.
So honestly I'm not surprised.
|8.8.08 @ 7:03PM|#
That Barney Frank did what he did 30 years ago, makes what
he did okay?
I'm sure you apply the same standard to John McCain who was nailing
a beer heiress half his age while his seriously injured wife lay in
the hospital.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 7:04PM|#
No, joe, you're bullshit. You and your bankrupt philosophy.
Comprende, you condescending sack of shit?
Good night, Colin, and I'm sorry. I'm going to go pick on
someone my own size now.
I think they might arrest you if you attack an infant.
Colin|8.8.08 @ 7:09PM|#
Pug, I would never defend McCain. In fact, I don't really have
any problem with Frank. The funny part of that whole story was that
Larry Craig was one of his chief accusers.
All I'm trying to say is that these scandals should be treated
equally.
ellipsis|8.8.08 @ 7:16PM|#
I would think after the 60s and 70s, no one would be available
to claim the "Virgin Mary" trophy of political purity.
That it matters says more about the state of Americans than it does
its leaders. Lawyers and CEOs and doctors have affairs all the
time, and no one cares. But if it's a politician, the wrath of God
is at hand.
DJ Voton|8.8.08 @ 7:18PM|#
I am a fucking Irish bastard. I hate these cocksuckers like
TallDave.
How charming.
I don't get to post here often, boys - maybe twice a
week.
What a shame.
|8.8.08 @ 7:28PM|#
Oh DJ Voton....
How you fucking cut me down. I love this shit.
Tell me who YOU are, you fucking low-life. You see, I am a defender
of Liberty, the stuff of Revolutionaries.. I LOVE our secular
Republic and respect our Democracy - never mind the subtle
difference. You won't emerge from your fucking empty sepulchre -
shorn of your forlorn "saviour". Wait for him like an idiot, full
of nothingness - just a empty sound signifying nothingness.
Your rock is good for you. Stay there.
Episiarch|8.8.08 @ 10:01PM|#
And I've got a little Irish in me, too. :)
LMNOP, you slept with joe?
ZING
Thank you, thank you very much. Please don't forget to tip your
waitress.
|8.8.08 @ 10:02PM|#
So, fluffy the trial lawyer is a slut. Why should we care? Did
he lie about it under oath or something?
-jcr
|8.8.08 @ 10:04PM|#
What's really funny to me about this fracas is the way the dems
are sputtering "but McCain did it too!", as if that excuses
Edwards.
-jcr
|8.8.08 @ 10:06PM|#
You get what you pay for.
My understanding was that a major part of what Spitzer was paying
for was silence. I don't think he got that.
-jcr
|8.8.08 @ 10:07PM|#
Explain how can something or someone can keep people in
poverty.
Simple, Robert Mugabe and other kleptocrats do it every day. You
tax away their earnings or inflate their savings away from
them.
-jcr
Gilbert Martin|8.8.08 @ 10:07PM|#
This is perfect illustration of the liberal bias of the mainstream media who willfully ignored this story as long as they could - in constrast with gleefully playing up a (still) unproven affair that McCain supposedly had decades ago.
DJ Voton|8.8.08 @ 10:31PM|#
DJ Voton has clearly never been to Ireland. :)
Nope. There are more drunken assholes than I'll ever need on this
side of the Atlantic.
rakune|8.8.08 @ 10:43PM|#
"Edwards IS married. And if he cheated on his cancer-stricken
wife with an average-looking woman, he would just about die to be
with me!!!"
Pics or STFU.
Just kidding - about the STFU, not the photos.
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|8.9.08 @ 12:39AM|#
I'm just waiting for the press conference where Elizabeth is
bravely standing by the side of John Edwards.
And when he starts to "explain", in the middle of the first answer
to the press questions, just ONCE, I'd like to see her, the wife,
take off her shoe and beat the ever lovin' shit out of him with
it.
|8.9.08 @ 8:29AM|#
FYI, Rielle Hunter ran with the same crowd as Jay McInerney in
the 80's, and was used as a character (Alison Poole) by him and
Brett Easton Ellis.
"You were hanging out with that bimbo Alison something …
Stoole?"
"Poole, honey," I reply calmly. "Alison Poole."
"Yeah, that was her name, " [Elizabeth] says, then with unmasked
sarcasm, "Hot number."
"What do you mean by that?" I ask, offended. "She was a hot
number."
Elizabeth turns to Christie and unfortunately says, "If you had an
American Express card she'd give you a blow-job."
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/08/allow_bret_easton_ellis_to_int.html
Bruce Majors|8.9.08 @ 9:21AM|#
and my 2 questions:
1) Are we being fed this story because the other stories are about
other affairs. including with guys. (I heard rumors several years
ago about Edward's bisexuality, but theywere just rumors) like this
Andrew Young character you says he is Rielle Hunter's baby daddy.
and who claims to have been sleeping with Rielle at the same time
Edwards was.
2) Do we smell Miss Hillary's fingers on this story? which comes
out just in time to cut off Edwards' VP chances?
|8.9.08 @ 9:44AM|#
Lying about it in court is criminal.
Not necessarily, but that's already been covered.
If you're a Clinton sycophant, he didn't commit perjury. If you're
a Clinton hater, he's worse than Nixon vis a vis obstructing
justice and perjury. If you're an honest observer with no dog in
the fight, Bill Clinton commited perjury about his sexual affairs
in a sexual harassment lawsuit. It was obviously a lie and
obviously material to the matter at hand.
Hardly an impeachable offesne IMHO, but definitely perjury.
|8.9.08 @ 10:03AM|#
in constrast with gleefully playing up a (still) unproven
affair that McCain supposedly had decades ago.
Gil, McCain has admitted the affair, and is MARRIED TO HER.
Good Lord, you make Colin look like Walter Cronkite.
|8.9.08 @ 11:37AM|#
My understanding was that a major part of what Spitzer was
paying for was silence. I don't think he got that.
The call girl didn't rat him out. He got caught on wiretaps
haggling over price. If he had shut up and paid up he would have
been fine.
|8.9.08 @ 11:42AM|#
Edwards spent $1200 on a haircut. Now he is gonna pay alot more for gettin a little trim.
Colin|8.9.08 @ 2:19PM|#
Now you're really insulting me, joey, comparing to a liberal
hack like Cronkite.
Go back to Kos -- you're running low on material.
MEDIA CRITIC to the URKOBOLD|8.9.08 @ 2:53PM|#
TIS A SHAME ABOUT REMOTE CONTROL BEING CANCELED. NOW COLIN IS TROLLING FOR FOOD.
|8.9.08 @ 3:22PM|#
WHY doesn't Elizabeth just DIVORCE him. He claims that baby
don't look like him and he's "not in love" with Rielle - is this
supposed to IMPROVE his image? THAT is supposed to make Elizabeth
want to stand by him?
He's clueless about how much a scumbag this makes him look. This is
some Maury Povitch shit.
smartass sob|8.9.08 @ 7:41PM|#
Hardly an impeachable offesne IMHO, but definitely
perjury.
See, I've never quite understood that. Presidents can be impeached
for "high crimes and misdemeanors." Isn't perjury a
misdemeanor?
|8.9.08 @ 8:27PM|#
(referenced as illegal) "looking for gay sex in airport
bathrooms."
actually, there is an excellent free speech case here that even if
craig WAS *looking* for or soliciting gay sex in a bathroom, that
it is not illegal.
clearly, sex in the stall can be illegal - (indecent exposure),
etc.
but "looking for gay sex" or soliciting it or whatnot, as long as
there is not a monetary transaction (which of course would be
prostitution - which SHOULD be illegal - but isn't in most places)
is free expression.
if craig had walked up to a guy in the bathroom (using the urinal,
for instance) and said "hey wanna have sex ?" that would not be
illegal . so, doing a "symbolic version" via wide stance etc.
shouldn't be - either.
think about it.
i realize he pled guilty, but from a pure aclu'ish free speech
angle, there cannot be a crime in LOOKING for or soliciting sex
(and we're not talking about sexual harassment power relationships
in the workplace here).
assuming craig didn't merely have a "wide stance" (lol), you cannot
criminalize looking for or asking a person for sex (or a date,
etc.).
anarch|8.9.08 @ 8:50PM|#
prostitution - which SHOULD be illegal
whit, did I understand this to be your opinion? If so, why should
prostitution be illegal?
|8.9.08 @ 11:17PM|#
I *meant* should be LEGAL. obviously. considering it IS illegal
almost everywhere, that should be obvious. or maybe not
but it was still my bad for the typo.
anarch|8.10.08 @ 6:51AM|#
Ah good. Or perhaps bad, in that, as you point out, it IS
illegal almost everywhere.
Because I live a sheltered life, I considered it possible that I'd
missed the liberalization/abolition of laws against prostitution
along with those against adultery, sodomy, etc., and/or that it's
simply always been legal in more places than I imagined.
I'm not a great fan of prostitution, but even leaving aside
victimless crimes and the proper role (if any) of the state, I
don't know how a third party would distinguish commerce from an
exchange of gifts.
sasob|8.10.08 @ 7:32AM|#
...I don't know how a third party would distinguish commerce
from an exchange of gifts.
I assume they do so by determining if one of the "gifts" in the
exchange is a sexual favor.
anarch|8.10.08 @ 7:43AM|#
And not when the other gift is also? Or the other gift is dinner and a show? Or a car? Or a pretty house in the burbs with kids and a dog?
|8.10.08 @ 1:57PM|#
Regarding the ilegality of prostitution:
Can anyone think of a service/activity, other than sex, that it is
lawful to give away but unlawful to sell? The only ones I have
thought of are voting and organ donation.
anarch|8.10.08 @ 2:47PM|#
Well, isn't it impermissible to sell your children, but permissible to give them up for adoption?
anarch|8.10.08 @ 2:51PM|#
Also, while not illegal tout court, dispensing legal and medical advice for compensation is strictly licensed, but so far as I know a layman can with impunity offer unremunerated counsel. Goes for fortune-telling, too.
|8.10.08 @ 4:07PM|#
Gil, McCain has admitted the affair, and is MARRIED TO
HER.
Or married to one of them, at least. In a remarkable coincidence,
the rich one.
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