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Name that Vice-Presidential Candidate
What politician, whose name is currently being kicked around for vice president under McCain, said this?:
"If you go back to 2000, when I helped the president in the campaign, I said that I was, in effect, kind of Libertarian on this issue, and meaning by that that I have been concerned about a government role in this issue."
reason contributor and Denver Post columnist David Harsanyi has the answer.
Update: The Wash Post is reporting that Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform and the "Leave Us Alone Coalition" has said that Condoleezza Rice would "would be a great president....[and a] great vice president."
Elemenope|4.8.08 @ 9:35AM|#
It would be foolish (foolish, I say!) to pick her as VP. Not
only are many southern republcians hesitant to vote black (or
female), but also it would prevent the party from using all the
sexist or race-baiting ad techniques that will be necessary for
them to defeat either of the dems.
Oh, and she's pro-choice.
Stupid, stupid pick.
John|4.8.08 @ 9:36AM|#
"Attempting to understand where Rice stands on policy is, in
fact, an exasperating job, as they do not seem to actually exist on
record."
Harsanyi needs an editor.
|4.8.08 @ 9:38AM|#
Rice? Are you kidding. Condoleezza Rice is about as libertarian as a Schnauzer. I'd just as soon have Jerry Rice as VP.
|4.8.08 @ 9:45AM|#
Rice took a beating on the right wing for saying, in the
aftermath of the Jeremiah Wright debacle, that racism has
historically been a problem in the United States; that its effects
can still be seen today; and that we have difficulty talking about
this issue.
For some reason, these obvious and mild observations rendered her
wholly unacceptable to a lot of Republicans, a dangerous black
radical who is insufficiently grateful that her ancestors were
enslaved.
And how deluded is that columnist?
A Rice pick would also reek of identity politics - the type of
positioning the right typically decries. See, I wouldn't have
thought that selecting the sitting Secretary of State - one who's
been on the job for an entire presidential term, after having
previously served as National Security Advistor - would be an act
of tokenism. I see this a lot on the right; people so passionately
opposed to racial tokenism that, when they look at a black
political figure, all they can see in a token, regardless of her
record, resume, and history.
Yet, with plenty of gifted African- Americans and women to pick
from Yes, think of all of those women and black people in the
Republican Party who are substantially more qualified that Rice.
Ummmmmm...
Abdul|4.8.08 @ 9:50AM|#
it would prevent the party from using all the sexist or
race-baiting ad techniques that will be necessary for them to
defeat either of the dems
I don't know about that. She could be like McCain's Robin
Quivers.
|4.8.08 @ 9:56AM|#
Yeah, despite the libertarian angle, I don't see how Rice works for the all-important base of the GOP that Karl Rove worked so hard to "energize" in the 2004 election - greasy-headed rednecks.
|4.8.08 @ 9:57AM|#
Rice is a poor choice for the very reason that she carries the stink of Bush on her. Wow, I didn't mean for that to sound so dirty....
|4.8.08 @ 9:59AM|#
On abortion, the driving issue for social conservatives,
Rice told a reporter in 2005, "If you go back to 2000, when I
helped the president in the campaign, I said that I was, in effect,
kind of Libertarian on this issue, and meaning by that that I have
been concerned about a government role in this issue."
Couple that with McCain's desire for perma-war and you have a
ringing endorsement from Donderooooooooooooooo!
|4.8.08 @ 10:00AM|#
Condoleeza Rice's resume in public service is significantly more
weighty than John Edwards'.
Four years as NSA and four more as Sec. of State vs. Six years a
Senator.
I never once heard John Edwards described as a "token," despite the
fact that he was clearly chosen because he could tawk lahk this to
folks in Carolahna and part of Ohio.
I don't think "reeks of tokenism" means anything else in that
sentence than "is black and female."
|4.8.08 @ 10:01AM|#
Joe, regardless of her qualifications, there's no question that picking Condi for VP will certainly be seen as tokensim during this election. That's not going to help McCain to get elected.
|4.8.08 @ 10:07AM|#
You're probably right, Stretch. It would be "seen as
tokenism."
That columnist certainly sees it that way.
|4.8.08 @ 10:21AM|#
In general, the VP is a token position, chosen primarily to mine
votes. If she's not going to help him secure a voting block, she'll
be chosen to counteract the historic nature of the Dem candidate.
In essence, she really would be a token.
Of course, in McCain's case he probably needs to choose someone
voters feel comfortable enough with to assume the presidency if he
keels over.
|4.8.08 @ 10:28AM|#
There are indications that Obama will choose a high-profile woman to placate the Hillary supporters, so Rice would be neutralized in terms of tokenism. And Rice is definitely not "nappy", in fact, she is nicely coiffed and may even pull in some of the pervo/B&D vote if she keeps it up with the thigh-high boot look. THAT would cut into the Dem base!
|4.8.08 @ 10:30AM|#
She may not be the best politician, but she'll bring home the gold in the Olympics.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 10:34AM|#
joe, do you have a point or are you just flailing about because your hangover is a mean one?
LarryA|4.8.08 @ 10:35AM|#
Of course, in McCain's case he probably needs to choose
someone voters feel comfortable enough with to assume the
presidency if he keels over.
Given the number of candidates I'd rather vote for than McCain, I
don't see that as a limiting factor.
For me, the real question is, is Condi stupid enough to subject
herself to campaigning and possibly serving as VP under McCain? I
doubt it.
Too bad, as she is articulately pro Second Amendment.
That's something McCain desperately needs,
particularly with D.C. v. Heller looming in the middle of the
campaign's home stretch.
kinnath|4.8.08 @ 10:36AM|#
I expect John McCain to ask Dick Chenney to help him pick a running mate . . . .
semm|4.8.08 @ 10:39AM|#
In terms of bringing in people who might ordinarily not vote for McCain i guess you can say it might not be a strategic choice. But I really like her as a pick. I hope McCain selects her. I also agree with Joe, there's no way you can look at her resume and say 'token' unless you are so utterly cynical that you can't see a good candidate except through the lens of race.
|4.8.08 @ 10:48AM|#
joe, do you have a point or are you just flailing about because your hangover is a mean one?
|4.8.08 @ 10:49AM|#
joe, do you have a point or are you just flailing about
because your hangover is a mean one?
Yes, Episiarch, I do. As opposed to you. I've made a point - the
one Stretch figured out and responded to - and it has something to
do with Condaleeza Rice, the Vice-Presidency, the election, and
tokenism.
Try sounding out each word; maybe that would help.
thoreau|4.8.08 @ 10:51AM|#
Rice, for all of her faults, is less repugnantly incompetent
than a lot of other people in that administration. Singling her out
as a token puts me in the incredibly uncomfortable position of
having to defend her.
There are so many perfectly good reasons to detest her, why should
anybody have to trot out the "token" talk?
|4.8.08 @ 10:51AM|#
Semm, would you mind helping out Episiarch?
He's about 1/3 as smart as he thinks he is, and is really having
trouble with what I wrote.
|4.8.08 @ 10:53AM|#
"reeks of tokenism" = "is black and female."
like
"racist" = "white male".
While I don't expect to vote for McCain*, I would be MORE likely to
vote for him if Condi was his running mate.
CB
*The Libertarian Party chooses NOT to field ANY candidate.
|4.8.08 @ 10:56AM|#
How many shots was it, joe? I'll bet it was epic.
So far, I've taken two shots at you. Now this makes three.
And while it was a pretty obvious beat-down, I'd reserve the term
"epic" for whuppings that take a little more effort.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 10:58AM|#
Considering the trouble you're having mastering the posting system here at reason, I'm going to go with "20". Bushmills? Jameson?
|4.8.08 @ 11:02AM|#
How badly must one be pwned to think that speculating about how
hung over one's pwner must be seems like a good way to save
face?
Any luck penetrating my incredibly difficult point?
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 11:07AM|#
Wow, two "I've won/pwned" posts within 3 posts of one another. Do you ever feel any embarrassment, or are you beyond oblivious?
short, fat bastard|4.8.08 @ 11:12AM|#
Yesterday Edward . . . Today joe . . . death to another interesting thread.
garth bater|4.8.08 @ 11:12AM|#
For once I find myself agreeing with joe, who makes a good point re: Condi and tokenism above and is now being inexplicably accused of alcoholism (well, he is part Irish).
|4.8.08 @ 11:14AM|#
Oh, heavens, no! Rubbing your face in it when you jerk with
outrage at every slight to John McCain and the Republicans is just
so much fun.
Do I feel embarrassed when I slap your obtuse whining down
repeatedly? No. Not at all.
Back atcha, though: is it even a little embarrassing to write the
comment "do you have a point," and then see several other people
responding and discussing that very point, without having an
difficulty figuring it out?
That's the sort of thing I'd find embarrassing.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 11:19AM|#
Rubbing your face in it when you jerk with outrage at every
slight to John McCain and the Republicans is just so much
fun.
Is this a joke or are you really this stupid?
Don't answer that, I already know. Anyone who rips on you for your
man-crush on Obama must be a Republican, right? It's like a time
warp: joe can only think in partisan terms. Good to know you never
change and neither do your thought processes.
|4.8.08 @ 11:24AM|#
garth bater,
Since the "tokenism" charge is so obviously inapplicable, how do
you explain such a thing?
Obviously, the inability to see through race is one answer, but
it's probably just a pretext.
I find it more likely that the real problem is that Rice was, with
Powell, in the less-insaely-neoconservative faction of the Bush
cabinet, across the table from Cheney and Rumsfeld. She wanted to
"talk to evil," she paid attention to what the professionals in the
State Department were saying about post-war Iraq. Certainly, once
The Decider made the call, she carried out his policies, but
everything I've seen about the workings of the administration
suggests that she was the target of a pretty intense effort to
marginalize her in the decision-making process.
|4.8.08 @ 11:29AM|#
It's like a time warp: joe can only think in partisan
terms.
You do realize this is a tread in which I'm defending a prominent
Republican, right?
Oh, yeah, I forgot; no, you don't realize that. My point eluded
you.
Kolohe|4.8.08 @ 11:29AM|#
Rice, for all of her faults, is less repugnantly incompetent
than a lot of other people in that administration.
I disagree, she's more. Additionally, she not even a good enough
politically hack to be good at infighting to get her way. Plus,
she's basically the only one left besides Cheney and Bush
themselves.
This is why she shouldn't be VP; if she was associated with success
(like for instance like Powell pre-2003), she would make an
excellent choice - for Romney. (An alternate dimension successful
Rice would still not 'balance out' McCain due to too much
congruence in perceived skill sets.)
Other Matt|4.8.08 @ 11:31AM|#
I find it more likely that the real problem is that Rice
was, with Powell, in the less-insaely-neoconservative faction of
the Bush cabinet, across the table from Cheney and Rumsfeld. She
wanted to "talk to evil," she paid attention to what the
professionals in the State Department were saying about post-war
Iraq.
Gawd it is funny to watch joe trying to deal with a black woman
conservative. I'm sure the froth is all over the keyboard.
And while it was a pretty obvious beat-down, I'd reserve the
term "epic" for whuppings that take a little more
effort.
You know, without exception, anyone who uses the number of physical
violence descriptions as joe does is about incapable of anything
physical. Do you feel big and bad when you talk about physically
beating someone? I'd love to hear how you talk to all the people in
the mean ole nasty 'hood where you run to get away from all them
(other) white people, telling them how you slapped them around,
etc.
That's the sort of thing I'd find embarrassing.
No, joe, you have no shame, it takes intelligence and honor to have
shame. You have neither.
|4.8.08 @ 11:32AM|#
Kolohe,
Perhaps the only foreign policy success of this administration was
its diplomatic offensive surrounding the anti-Syrian protests in
Lebanon. That unusual bit of competence had Rice's fingerprints all
over it.
Ditto Ukraine. Political philosophy aside, she was a decent
Secretary of State, when Cheney let her.
|4.8.08 @ 11:34AM|#
The assumption that Rice would not help in the South may not be
entirely accurate. She's from Alabama, after all. And listens to
Skynyrd.
Play "Free Bird"!
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 11:35AM|#
You do realize this is a tread in which I'm defending a
prominent Republican, right?
Wow, you really are impaired today. Are you really so dense that
you don't understand that I was talking about your partisan hard-on
conviction about me having some love for McCain? A guy I have
never, ever said a positive thing about and have ripped many a
time?
Only someone as partisanly blind as you can make that connection.
Here is the joe math:
Don't want to fellate Obama = McCain lover
You're so busy fellating Obama, how could anyone else get on
him?
|4.8.08 @ 11:36AM|#
I wouldn't have thought that selecting the sitting Secretary
of State - one who's been on the job for an entire presidential
term, after having previously served as National Security Advistor
- would be an act of tokenism.
The problem with that, is that she has served as a token in those
previous positions as well.
Powell was a huge disappointment. I will never forgive him for
taking that bag of piffle down to the UN. But at least Powell,
while towing the company line in public, was supposed to be a great
backroom infighter. Those in the know say he was working against
Rumsfeld but was shutout by Cheney.
Has Condi ever said anything to her superiors other than
"Yowzer"?
|4.8.08 @ 11:37AM|#
Actually, you show up and defend him on pretty much every Matt Welch thread. Don't you remember, I even called you on it last time?
Bingo|4.8.08 @ 11:39AM|#
Most of Rice's domestic policies lean more libertarian than
McCain's and she is a very qualified candidate. I don't really
understand the hatred toward her.
Given the foreign policy ideals of the Bush administration, I think
she did pretty good as SecState. You don't have to agree with her,
but she's obviously got the right stuff for the job.
Basically, I agree with joe, it isn't tokenism even if people want
to see it that way.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 11:43AM|#
Actually, you show up and defend him on pretty much every
Matt Welch thread. Don't you remember, I even called you on it last
time?
Are you serious? You really have been drinking. Show me that you
don't have memory issues.
fyodor|4.8.08 @ 11:44AM|#
Why do you people keep doing this to the threads?
Because you respond, joe. You must enjoy it as much as they do!
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 11:50AM|#
joe, I'm waiting. Please, I want you to link to me defending McCain. Because either I have a split personality or you are a fucking idiot.
|4.8.08 @ 11:52AM|#
True, enough, fyodor.
But sometimes - as in, just about all the time - it's such
low-hanging fruit.
"joe, you are teh partisan for arguing that Condoleeza Rice would
be a good candidate." Blargh flargh, personal insults.
"You must hate yourself for being white, and be a ferocious
partisan to boot, if you can write positive things about Condoleeza
Rice." Blargh flargh, personal insults.
Sometimes, the table's set up, you just gotta sit down.
|4.8.08 @ 11:54AM|#
joe, I'm waiting.
Ohnoes!!! He's WAITING!
Um...no, I don't think I'll spend all afternoon searching the
archives for the thread from last week.
fyodor|4.8.08 @ 11:55AM|#
Because it's politics, most any choice would be examined for what faction of the electorate is being appeased and/or what message it sends. Condoleeza Rice doesn't strike me as nearly the token that say, Clarence Thomas, was. I'd like to think the only reason reasonable folk would bring it up in this context is that the idea that she's being used to counter Obama's race comes quickly to mind. But who knows and WTF, that's politics. Usually it's a matter of whether it's effective tokenism or inneffective tokenism. Maybe that's Harsanyi's point, that it's too obvious, and that's why it "reeks." I don't have my finger on the pulse of the masses enough to know if he's right or not.
|4.8.08 @ 11:56AM|#
Episiarch | April 4, 2008, 10:07am | #
I think I've asked this before, but when can we expect McCain to
take out a restraining order on Matt?
Hasn't fallen off the page yet. I think it's more plain-old denial
than anything as interesting as MPD.
Neil|4.8.08 @ 11:56AM|#
How can people seriously say Rice would be a token when she has
more experience than the guy who is going to be at the top of the
Democrat ticket? If Rice is tokenism, what is Obama then?
Oh thats right, its not tokenism when the Democrat Party does
it.
short, fat bastard|4.8.08 @ 11:58AM|#
Why do you people keep doing this to the threads?
Dysfunction: The
only consistent feature in all of your dissatisfying relationships
is you.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 11:58AM|#
Oh joe, so pathetic. You say something patently false, disappear
for a while frantically searching the archives for me ever
defending McCain, utterly fail, and this is your response?
Limp-dicked "I don't think I'll spend all afternoon searching the
archives for the thread from last week"?
You really are an idiot, and it amuses me no end that you stupidly
and egotistically revealed yourself for that just now.
Kolohe|4.8.08 @ 11:59AM|#
Perhaps the only foreign policy success of this
administration was its diplomatic offensive surrounding the
anti-Syrian protests in Lebanon.
That was a good thing, but has been followed with a war since then;
not sure of how much of that feeling is left.
I'll give you Ukraine; I just wonder how the impact of latest sorta
dead NATO effort (which I'm in favor of) will work out long term.
But I'm a big fan of Princess Leia
Yulia Tymoshenko, too bad *she's* not constitutionally
eligible.
|4.8.08 @ 12:00PM|#
Actually, Obama's career in public service goes back father than
Rice's. He was a State Senator for somethink like 8 years.
But, yes, they're roughly equivalent - he's been in government a
little longer, she held a higher post for a while. Then, Sec of
State vs. Senator. Same ballpark.
I don't think anyone is going to call either of them a greybeard,
but we're not talking about nobodies here.
fyodor|4.8.08 @ 12:00PM|#
But sometimes - as in, just about all the time - it's such
low-hanging fruit.
...
Sometimes, the table's set up, you just gotta sit down.
Well, gorge yourself if that's your choice. I'm sure the citizens
of Boston can do well without your planning their lives out for a
few hours! :-)
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 12:01PM|#
I think I've asked this before, but when can we expect
McCain to take out a restraining order on Matt?
Hasn't fallen off the page yet. I think it's more plain-old denial
than anything as interesting as MPD.
Oh. My. God. You didn't realize that this was a joke? You really
are that humor-impaired? You actually thought that this
was some sort of defense of McCain?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(catches breath)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh joe, two gifts in one day, and it's not even my birthday!
|4.8.08 @ 12:02PM|#
You really are an idiot, and it amuses me no end that you
stupidly and egotistically revealed yourself for that just
now.
appears two minutes after...
joe | April 8, 2008, 11:56am | #
"Episiarch | April 4, 2008, 10:07am | #
I think I've asked this before, but when can we expect McCain to
take out a restraining order on Matt?"
Hasn't fallen off the page yet. I think it's more plain-old denial
than anything as interesting as MPD.
Ha ha, should have read the whole thread.
Best. Prebuttal. Ever.
SOOOOOOOO set you up.
I've got a great idea: how about you keep starting with me? It's
really, really going well for you.
|4.8.08 @ 12:04PM|#
Whoa, just a joke, folks! Uh, I don't keep talking about how
totally WEIRD it is to write bad stuff about John McCain.
Not me, boy. Only someone with a crush on Barack Obama could think
that!
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 12:04PM|#
Ha ha, should have read the whole thread.
Best. Prebuttal. Ever.
SOOOOOOOO set you up.
I've got a great idea: how about you keep starting with me? It's
really, really going well for you.
Maybe you should follow your own advice, joe.
Three gifts now!
Neil|4.8.08 @ 12:06PM|#
Joe I'm sorry but being a mere state senator isn't going to give
you the same experience as being a National Security Advisor. Being
President isn't about fixing some state road in Cairo, Illinois,
its about keeping us safe.
Obama has zero foreign policy experience and thats the last person
we need in the Presidency in a time of global war.
|4.8.08 @ 12:13PM|#
Joe I'm sorry but being a mere state senator isn't going to
give you the same experience as being a National Security
Advisor.
That's true; on the other hand, he was a state senator for just
about twice as long as she was NSA.
Being President isn't about fixing some state road in Cairo,
Illinois, its about keeping us safe. When you look at his
record in the state senate, you see that he did wade into big
issues. The bill he sponsored and pushed through requiring that
police videotape interrogations and confessions in murder cases,
for example - that's an issue of national significance (it's served
as a model for other states). He certainly didn't spend his time
just keeping a seat warm and getting roads paved.
Obama has zero foreign policy experience and thats the last
person we need in the Presidency in a time of global war. The
obvious answer here is "So you're thinking more along the lines of
a Cheney or a Rumsfeld. I don't mean to dismiss your point
entirely, but Obama has exactly as much foreign policy experience
as Ronald Reagan did when he took office. Yours is a valid concern,
but it's not the only one worth considering.
|4.8.08 @ 12:15PM|#
Hey, if you hold your cursor over "14 year-old," you get
"growupjoe@firstpubes.com."
Teh funny.
Neil|4.8.08 @ 12:17PM|#
Joe Ronald Reagan was speaking out against international Communism from the very beginning of his career. He may have not had experience but he was on the right side. When was Obama speaking about against international Islamofascism? Reagan knew the real threat, I don't think Obama does.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 12:18PM|#
Cheap Seats was me, in case that wasnt' obvious.
So you sock-puppeted someone claiming victory for you?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are so sublimely pathetic that it's not even funn...what am I
saying, it's hilarious!
You are no longer "joe"; I christen you "jopolean". I knew you were
massively insecure, but this is fucking beautiful.
|4.8.08 @ 12:19PM|#
Governor is the best experience for the presidency, ideally with some national experience as well. Of course, plenty of governors have sucked as presidents. The real point is that the electorate prefers some experience by which a candidate's real merits can be judged. I daresay I'd make a better president than any of the candidates left, but my lack of public experience makes me a total mystery man to voters. Words mean so little, which is one reason I find Obama love so odd. Not that he shouldn't be preferred to the equally inexperienced HRC, but why him and not Richardson or someone with a record we can honestly evaluate?
|4.8.08 @ 12:24PM|#
Neil,
Joe Ronald Reagan was speaking out against international
Communism from the very beginning of his career. He may have not
had experience but he was on the right side. When was Obama
speaking about against international Islamofascism? Reagan knew the
real threat, I don't think Obama does.
If you don't like his ideological and policy stasnces, fine. To
each his own. But we were talking about experience.
|4.8.08 @ 12:26PM|#
Please, I want to hear more about Episiarch's feelings. Doesn't
everybody?
BTW, the tally so far is 0-13. You have written 13 comments; 13
have been about your feeling about me, and zero have been about the
subject of the thread.
Just about par for the course, I'm afraid.
|4.8.08 @ 12:28PM|#
So you sock-puppeted someone claiming victory for
you?
I write that same joke about stopping the fight every time I do
this to you.
I assumed everyone would have picked up on it by now.
|4.8.08 @ 12:30PM|#
FWIW, I think having her as a VP candidate would be a bad idea
because people are going to want to forget about the Bush white
house and anyone touching it.
Do it, John! Barr for prez!
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 12:36PM|#
I write that same joke about stopping the fight every time I
do this to you.
You do? Really? You're just making shit up today. How pathetic.
|4.8.08 @ 12:38PM|#
sage, if the McCain campaign can't draw a distinction between different pro-war factions of the Republican Party, he's toast anyway.
|4.8.08 @ 12:40PM|#
Hmm, normally I enjoy watch Epi slamming Joe, but in this thread
I find myself firmly on Joe's side.
Such is the unpredictable ambiguity that makes H&R worth
reading!
Isaac Brock|4.8.08 @ 12:43PM|#
Play "Free Bird"!
If this were the Make-A-Wish Foundation and you were going to die
in 20 minutes -- just long enough to play "Free Bird" -- we still
wouldn't play it.
|4.8.08 @ 12:49PM|#
Isaac Brock,
If Rice ever becomes president, I happen to know that her first act
in office will be to declare "Free Bird" to be our national
anthem.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 12:56PM|#
jopolean must be posting the odds that he has any credibility. I admire your honesty.
|4.8.08 @ 12:58PM|#
sage, if the McCain campaign can't draw a distinction
between different pro-war factions of the Republican Party, he's
toast anyway.
In that respect he's making Bush look like the more moderate
faction, what with McCain's "hundred years" comment dogging
him.
But you're right, unless the war becomes less and less of an issue
as we get closer to the general.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 1:24PM|#
Yes jopolean, sock-puppetry (which you were dumb enough not to change your handle back from--that's priceless), making shit up, and not getting jokes make you extremely credible. Just ask "everyone"! Oh, and I forgot "pre-buttal" crowing.
Invisible Finger|4.8.08 @ 1:29PM|#
I don't really understand the hatred toward her.
She's perpetuating the horrible foreign policy of the Bush
administration which is "shoot whenever you're scared and don't
even ask questions later. And kiss Saud ass cuz they buy our planes
'n' shit."
BakedPenguin|4.8.08 @ 1:29PM|#
[Rice]...may even pull in some of the pervo/B&D vote if she keeps it up with the thigh-high boot look.
You know the 'worm' vote's going to Hillary if she gets the D nom,
and McCain if she doesn't, so I don't Rice helping out there.
...I'm a big fan of
Princess LeiaYulia Tymoshenko...
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|4.8.08 @ 2:10PM|#
It would probably be wiser, at this point, just to acknowledge
that this hasn't gone very well for you, and stop posting
comments.
But, then, you seem to have adopted your hero's incapcity to know
when to say "when."
Stay the course, Episiarch! No surrender! Why, you don't mind I
keep rubbing your nose in it for a hundred years.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 2:31PM|#
Ah yes, the chest-pounding. Why do I find you so amusing? I don't know, but don't ever change (yes, I know--you won't). What else would I do during slow days at work?
|4.8.08 @ 2:34PM|#
What else would I do during slow days at work?
Contribute something relevant and intelligent to the discussion on
the thread?
Naaaaaaaaahhhhh...way over your head.
|4.8.08 @ 2:39PM|#
For example:
Grover Norquist is also a pro-Iraq War conservative who was on the
outs with the hawkier-than-thou, lockstep conformity to Dear Leader
in the years after 9/11. Just like Rice, and just like McCain
himself. While not predictable, his endorsement makes sense.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 2:44PM|#
Contribute something relevant and intelligent to the
discussion on the thread?
Naaaaaaaaahhhhh...way over your head.
jopolean, if you want your hyper-partisan bullshit to be actually
relevant or intelligent, you need to step outside your fantasy
world. Sucking off Obama all day doesn't cut it.
|4.8.08 @ 2:48PM|#
I see. So you're not for McCain.
For the record, if I had to pick between either Democratic
candidate and McCain, I'd pick McCain. I also think he's going to
win. I don't want a President McCain and will almost certainly vote
LP, but that's the way it is.
|4.8.08 @ 2:56PM|#
jopolean, if you want your hyper-partisan bullshit to be
actually relevant or intelligent, you need to step outside your
fantasy world.
You mean like, a thread where people with enormous philosophical
and partisan differences with me keep agreeing with the points I'm
making?
Or did that elude you, too?
|4.8.08 @ 2:59PM|#
You know; hyperpartisan bullshit.
Like talking up the performance of a political figure from the
other party.
Or discussing how that other party has different factions and
shouldn't all be lumped together.
You know, THAT kind of partisan bullshit.
I think it would be a really, really good idea for you to keep
doing this. And also, I do not wish to be thrown into a briar
patch.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 3:02PM|#
joe, constant appeals to authority and consensus may make you feel good, but they are meaningless.
|4.8.08 @ 3:07PM|#
These "joe vs. Episiarch" threads are getting more brutal. You guys should meet for a beer, have some tacos, work this thing out.
|4.8.08 @ 3:25PM|#
joe, constant appeals to authority and consensus may make
you feel good, but they are meaningless.
Actually, when YOU raise the question of my credibility, or to
whether I've written anything with comprehensible point - yes, yes
they do. They go precisely to the topics YOU raised.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 3:34PM|#
Actually, when YOU raise the question of my credibility, or
to whether I've written anything with comprehensible point - yes,
yes they do. They go precisely to the topics YOU raised.
So you're saying that your best argument is an appeal to authority
and consensus. Wow, sounds just like your global warming
argument.
|4.8.08 @ 3:35PM|#
1-22.
How how does this figure have to be before you're relegated to the
status of a troll?
|4.8.08 @ 3:38PM|#
So you're saying that your best argument is an appeal to
authority and consensus.
Read it again. You don't seem to have gotten your mind around yet
another rather simple statement I made.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 3:42PM|#
How how does this figure have to be before you're relegated
to the status of a troll?
Considering that you're the only one keeping score, and it's
completely your own fabrication, the "howness" of the score doesn't
really matter.
Or are you so delusional that you think anyone cares about your
ape-like chest-beating antics? Well, you must, or you wouldn't do
it.
|4.8.08 @ 3:43PM|#
1-23
And I don't think anyone cares about these little spats.
It's just fun to give you your comeuppance.
|4.8.08 @ 3:45PM|#
Speaking of keeping score, which point do you think you've
repeated the most? Don't look!
A. No point
B. Chest-beating
C. Repetitious
I think it's C, which is some world-class irony.
Episiarch|4.8.08 @ 3:48PM|#
It's just fun to give you your comeuppance.
One of the most amazing things about you is that you actually,
truly believe this. You fascinate me, jopolean. Your ability to act
out your dominance fantasies on a blog is so creepy yet interesting
at the same time, that you just have to be studied. It's like a car
wreck--I can't look away.
|4.8.08 @ 3:53PM|#
1-24.
Congratulations, you actually got something right!
Yes, indeed, I do seem to fascinate you.
|4.8.08 @ 3:58PM|#
"jopolean"
That IS clever!
But when your own handle is a translation of the Latin term for
"King Pussy," how exactly am I supposed to respond in kind?
Other Matt|4.8.08 @ 5:19PM|#
You're so busy fellating Obama, how could anyone else get on
him?
joe's not that tall.
Hat tip to SHort Fat Bastard, my sentiments exactly.
|4.8.08 @ 5:33PM|#
I'm unclear on one thing. Who is more politically pure: Episiarch or joe? We've established what sexual acts joe will perform on Obama, I suppose, but surely there are other litmus tests?
|4.8.08 @ 8:12PM|#
Too bad, because the topic of Rice as a potential VP candidate is kind of interesting.
Other Matt|4.8.08 @ 8:24PM|#
Too bad, because the topic of Rice as a potential VP
candidate is kind of interesting.
I agree. The basic problem is that it's a pander to try to reduce
the impact of Hillary being female and Obama being black. Rice does
have qualifications, though nothing which causes her to stand out
as THE candidate for VP. She does have the, somewhat logical,
correlation or attachment to Bush, which may hurt or help depending
on your point of view.
The biggest problem I see in this election is people are so caught
up on what gender or color the Dems are, they don't look past the
lack of substance on Obama's part or the outright conniving power
lust on Hillary's part. It would be not unexpected, though somewhat
of a shame, to see both parties caught up in gender and
color.
However, if nothing else, this thread is an illustration of the
problem. I admit I consider joe to be a assbiting idiot, but this
is a personal view as the shitbird insults people and therefore
deserves to be treated like the pimple that he is. Beyond this, if
you accept that his Master Troll behavior is based loosely on
reality, he simply cannot see beyond the fact that Obamaa is black.
If you look at the general tone of his comments on the whole, black
is good, white is bad.
Obama appeals to these types simply due to their racism, they see
someone with dark skin and substance and accountabilty are
secondary. I guess that the Repubs are appealing to the same
demographic, though they are much more prevalent in the Dems, at
least nullifying the effect somewhat if people were willing to
leave the party over it.
It's a shame in that it is somewhat degrading to Rice to do this,
but I guess it does have value. Just look at the convolutions and
consternations joe was subject to, I thought it was hilarious, but
on a grander scale there are probably a large number of joes (not
so much assholes, but people who see color and stop) out
there.
All that said, I think the current talk about here is nothing more
than a trial balloon designed to distract, and won't amount to
much.
|4.9.08 @ 2:38PM|#
this is a personal view as the shitbird insults
people
Hilarious!
he simply cannot see beyond the fact that Obamaa is black. If
you look at the general tone of his comments on the whole, black is
good, white is bad.
Better than Cats!
Obama appeals to these types simply due to their racism, they
see someone with dark skin and substance and accountabilty are
secondary.
Two thumbs up, a rollicking good time!
Even if you did make sure to post it hours after everyone had
already given up on the thread.
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