Jacob Sullum | March 27, 2008
Fox is refusing to pay a $91,000 indecency fine imposed by the Federal Communications Commission for a 2003 broadcast of the now-defunct reality show Married by America in which the naughty bits of strippers at a bachelor party were blurry but inferrable. The FCC conceded that "the pixelation of the female strippers' naked breasts and buttocks does render the material less explicit and graphic than it would have been in the absence of pixelation" but concluded that "the material is still sufficiently graphic and explicit to support an indecency finding." It initially imposed a fine of $1.2 million—$7,000 for each of 169 Fox stations that aired the show—but later decided to fine just the 13 Fox stations in cities where viewers had complained. Fox nevertheless remains defiant, saying the FCC fine is "arbitrary and capricious, inconsistent with precedent, and patently unconstitutional."
In my column last week I said the FCC should stop it already with the indecency nonsense. Now I'm having second thoughts. I never saw Married by America, but I feel pretty confident in suggesting that it was less entertaining than the bureaucratic brouhaha it generated.
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I've always thought it was interesting that Fox News viewers are probably the ones making complaints about the programming on Fox.
Clearly the FCC are the ones who are pixielated. (thank you Mr Deeds)
Rupert Murdoch sure knows how to play the rubes: Make the smut, then have ORLY complain about it to get the rubes fired up.
What an emotional quandary! Fox News has been fined in violation of the First Amendment with nothing resembling the due process protected by the Fifth. It seems that one ought to support Fox News on this. Wait a minute, this is the same Fox News that spreads propaganda supporting violations of almost every provision in the Bill of Rights. Maybe Fox should run for Governor of New York.
Grandpa Al Lewis | March 27, 2008, 5:54pm | #
Fuck the FCC!
But not in primetime.
I've always thought it was interesting that Fox News viewers
are probably the ones making complaints about the programming on
Fox.
You might be surprised just how many liberal moms harbor
puritanical values in their dark hearts.
The female body is inherently sinful! DO NOT GAZE UPON IT LEST YE BE CORRUPTED
Buddy, that's cute, but inaccurate.
Fox News is not being fined. Local Fox affiliates are being fined.
Both come under News Corp. So does the Wall Street Journal. So does
20th Century Fox. So what?
Wait a minute, this is the same Fox News that spreads
propaganda supporting violations of almost every provision in the
Bill of Rights.
Yeah! Like all those times they had Judge Napalitano as their legal
pundit...
Or Kerry Howley on Red Eye...
Or reason staff on O'Reilly.
Oh, I see...you're allowed freedoms only if you comport yourself to
Buddy's ideology!
Libertarian Fascism, right?
GFY.
GFY...
Graphitic Filament Yarn?
Libertarian Fascism
This, coming from the Randian. Please, someone wake me when one of
the folks who has their own show on Fox News sneezes something
remotely libertarian.
wake me when one of the folks who has their own show on Fox
News sneezes something remotely libertarian.
Elemenope - that's not remotely the point. Fox News doesn't have to
promote libertarianism to make its right to free speech
defensible.
The implication was because Fox News may not be the best mouthpiece
for libertarianism, we should not support Fox News on this, which
is ridiculous on its face and very undisciplined thinking.
I mean, what's this "eye for an eye" shit from Buddy, anyway? Fox
News "gets what it deserves" because it doesn't promote liberty?
Jay-sus Christ.
This, coming from the Randian.
I have no idea what your implication is here. I'd like it if you
explained yourself.
...that's not remotely the point.
Agreed.
Fox News doesn't have to promote libertarianism to make its
right to free speech defensible.
Uh-huh.
The implication was because Fox News may not be the best
mouthpiece for libertarianism, we should not support Fox News on
this, which is ridiculous on its face and very undisciplined
thinking.
Yep.
I mean, what's this "eye for an eye" shit from Buddy, anyway?
Fox News "gets what it deserves" because it doesn't promote
liberty? Jay-sus Christ.
Four for four. That's not at all what I was commenting on. I was
commenting on the patently ridiculous assertion you made that FOX
news treats libertarian commentators as something other than circus
freaks brought out to entertain the 3rd shift monkeys.
I have no idea what your implication is here. I'd like it if
you explained yourself.
Libertarian fascism is about as close to a perfect summation of the
type of mindset that Ayn Rand seems to be advocating in her novels.
Like Heinlein, she may be smart as shit, but I sure as hell
wouldn't appreciate her as a next-door neighbor...it's like she
checked out of the human race (along with attendant baggage, like
empathy, et al.) around the age of thirty and never looked back.
Though at least Heinlein would be polite. Ayn, though, I'd be
afraid that she'd try to rape my fiancee or something and then
convince her it was her idea.
And the idea that she has "followers" never ceases to crack me up.
That one you can draw a map to yourself.
Libertarian fascism is about as close to a perfect summation
of the type of mindset that Ayn Rand seems to be advocating in her
novels.
Oh really? Care to back that up?
And the idea that she has "followers" never ceases to crack me
up.
Oh, I see...libertarianism isn't a statement on government and
government's proper and limited role, it has to be a WAY OF LIFE
TOO!
I suppose that no S&M freaks can be libertarian, because some
of them lick boots (voluntarily)? What's so "unlibertarian" about
people admiring someone else?
I'd be afraid that she'd try to rape my fiancee or something
and then convince her it was her idea.
Try not to project your fantasies while simultaneously making
outrageous claims and besmirching the reputation of someone's who
has been dead for over 25 years.
I'm starting to think it's not the admirers of Rand who are
obsessed: it's her haters.
1. Fuck the FCC. Fuck them hard right in their asses.
Having said that...
Typically, after the FCC determines that a broadcaster is
culpable for an indecency fine, the broadcaster pays it -- by
writing a check to the U.S. Treasury -- or may attempt to negotiate
a settlement, sometimes dragging the process out for years.
Sometimes, a broadcaster will take a case to court. Other times,
the broadcaster will pay the fine and appeal, hoping for a reversal
and refund.
Can a broadcaster simply refuse to pay the fine ? Even while
request that the commission overturn the decision?
What the hell are you guys talking about Fox News for anyway?
This fine was for Fox the trashy broadcast channel. I've heard
nearly all the top talking heads at Fox News come out explicitly
against the stuff on the broadcast network, or criticize particular
shows.
Rupert Murdoch is a smart enough man to know that people want to
watch trash on TV, then a little later change channels to watch a
bunch of talking heads go on about how trashy our society has
become. I tend to think the Fox broadcast and News networks are
equally trashy, but in their own special ways.
I'm starting to think it's not the admirers of Rand who are
obsessed: it's her haters.
Got that right.
In my column last week I said the FCC should stop it already
with the indecency nonsense. Now I'm having second
thoughts...
The road to serfdom... is paved by second thoughts.
"the naughty bits of strippers at a bachelor party were blurry
but inferrable"
I think I am in a constant state of inferring the naughty bits of
hot women...
The female body is inherently sinful! DO NOT GAZE UPON IT
LEST YE BE CORRUPTED[!]
Too late....
Maybe the female body should come with a disclaimer, lest every
female body falls victim of a class action suit from all those
corrupted victims.
My favorite new trend is the blurring of animal genitalia on
nature programs.
Soon it will extend to the anus of kittens being covered with
smiley faces.
It's amusing how political/news junkies tend to
associate "Fox" with a cable news channel rather than the
entertainment conglomerate that
owns it. Fox News is but one fragment of a giant entity that
includes the Fox Network, the
FOX film and TV studios, the FX channel, MySpace, various satellite
companies, and more.
Only a fool could believe that Murdoch is a
"conservative", and his CEO, Peter Chernin, is
a Hollywood studio chief who's as liberal as they come.
Try not to project your fantasies while simultaneously
making outrageous claims and besmirching the reputation of
someone's who has been dead for over 25 years.
Dude, don't get me wrong. She was hot. She was also seriously
fucked up when it came to sexual relationships; that's not a
slander, just a hard-up fact of life.
As for besmirching her reputation, I'm pretty sure a
salacious insult about her hotness would only improve her
reputation in most circles.
Mostly, it's not a matter of how obsessed her haters are, it's how
many of them there are, it's how diverse a lot they are.
Me, I'm a philosopher by training, and so every time she rapes Kant
or willfully rips off Nietzsche and twists him into a pretzel, I
die a little inside. Most of the rest, politics included, is just
risibly funny.
Oh, I see...libertarianism isn't a statement on government and
government's proper and limited role, it has to be a WAY OF LIFE
TOO!
I don't think so. She did. That's why she's a tool and a hack; no
sense of proportion or restraint.
Dude, don't get me wrong. She was hot.
Ayn Rand was a lot of things, but hot wasn't one of them.
...the naughty bits of strippers at a bachelor party were
blurry but inferrable.
You know what'd solve this problem once and for all?
Burquas.
"Naughty bits" are "inferrable" even with burqas.
Ayn Rand was a lot of things, but hot wasn't one of
them.
I dunno. From the pictures, there's
a 1950s mom-next-door quality to them. Then later, admittedly, she
got creepy and old.
On Discovery, I saw a show that takes place in
an ER. A man is wheeled in on a gurney. He has
had an off-road accident and there's a hole in his chest the size
of a soccer ball. A lung, a few ribs and a warped clavicle are seen
quite clearly. But they blur his privates! Censorship
merely brings attention to sex, even when it's
wildly inappropriate. When will they learn?
You might be surprised just how many liberal moms harbor
puritanical values in their dark hearts.
Yup. One sleeping upstairs from me right now.
I like to give her shit along the lines of alluding to her
Falwellian values.
Parenting may make you stupid in ways you could have never imagined
as a non-breeder, (take it from me) but becoming a mother makes you
just fukcing nuts.
The FCC conceded that "the pixelation of the female strippers' naked breasts and buttocks does render the material less explicit and graphic than it would have been in the absence of pixelation"
So, go ahead and give me unpixelated boobs, already!
I dunno. From the pictures, there's a 1950s mom-next-door quality to them. Then later, admittedly, she got creepy and old.
Even those early photos depend a lot on the right angle and
lighting.
Even those early photos depend a lot on the right angle and
lighting.
I did a Google Image search and realized that you are right after
all. My prior sample size was woefully small and horribly biased.
Makes you wonder how she could play all those sex games with Eric
Sto...I mean, Nat Branden, while he was happily married to someone
his, um, own age.
On the plus side, now every time you do a search for Rand you get a
metric fuck-ton of barely clothed Angelina Jolie pics because she
is rumored to have agreed to be in a Rand novel-based flick that
will in all probability never get made.
So, there's that.
On the plus side, now every time you do a search for Rand
you get a metric fuck-ton of barely clothed Angelina Jolie pics
because she is rumored to have agreed to be in a Rand novel-based
flick that will in all probability never get made.
Haha, I found that too.
Apparently, and I seriously am afraid at this, there's going to be
an Atlas Shrugged movie, and Jolie will play Dagny
and...sigh...Brad Pitt will play...sigh...John Galt.
Oh lord, that's just going to be awful. On the plus side, Atlas
Shrugged the movie has been rumored for decades, so yeah, it
probably will never get made. Hopefully it won't with Jolie and
Pitt.
"naughty bits" are you 12 years old? they are called TITS, BAZOOMS, THE RACK, HOOTERS, MAMMARYS, FUN BAGS, MELONS, YABOS...I could go on (and on) but I'll restrain myself (unless I can pay someone else to do it)
When is the FCC going to begin claiming it has the authority to censor the Internet?
When is the FCC going to begin claiming it has the authority
to censor the Internet?
When a critical mass of cable modems is reached.
Wow. No one standing up for Al Bundy's entertainment value? A sad, sad day for HnR.
You guys have fun with your network channels, as I got to see a
naked Britishman form the 1700's get tar-and-feathered with no
pixelation.
Funny thing too, I caught a glimpse of the man's genitals, right
before they dumped a bucket of scolding-hot tar on him, and I
somehow managed not to whig out into a sex-crazed
rampage...
Funny thing too, I caught a glimpse of the man's genitals,
right before they dumped a bucket of scolding-hot tar on him, and I
somehow managed not to whig out into a sex-crazed
rampage...
But it effects yore spellign, an thats' cloose enough four U.S.
I never saw Married by America, but I feel pretty confident
in suggesting that it was less entertaining than the bureaucratic
brouhaha it generated.
Jacob, you don't know what you missed. MWC was incredibly
entertaining. A friend of mine who worked in Hollywood at the time
confessed that he'd set his VCR to tape the episodes so he wouldn't
miss them.
MWC's whole original premise was "We're not the Cosby's"-- i.e., an
American family that was the dysfunctional polar opposite of the
positive-values Cosby Show. The Cosby Show ran eight years. MWC ran
ten. If you check IMDB you'll see that the Cosby Show receives a
very respectible 7.6 rating. MWC receives a whopping 8.7 rating.
That's entertainment.
There were so many good shows, but I think my favorite episode was
where Al Bundy's clueless daughter Kelly is going to be on a quiz
show, so Al coaches her with all the sports trivia he knows.
Kelly's brain eventually gets full, and each new factoid that comes
in pushes something else out. It's a concept that goes all the way
back to Sherlock Holmes.
MWC was incredibly entertaining.
While I agree, that wasn't the show Jacob was talking about. The
post was about the reality show "Married by America", not "Married
with Children"
So you're guilty if you don't bleep, but also if you do bleep because of what can be inferred was bleeped over? What if someone complained about Jimmy Kimmel's clips of unnecessary censorship, where we're left to similarly infer what was bleeped or pixelated?
lurker, it's an understandable mistake, you weren't even the
first one on the thread to make it.
It was still a good defense of the show, even if it was bit
off-topic.
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