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The Mini Tuesday Primary Thread: Paul Triumphs, Clinton Endures, Mike Huckabee Splatters Against the Wall
UPDATE 8:36: Ron Paul has been re-elected to Congress in the Fourteenth District of Texas.
No Democrat has filed to run against him, so winning the
GOP nomination has assured him re-election.
Campaign manager Mark Elam: "Chris Peden is toast. It's
just a question of how big the margin is."
The campaign is looking at a result in line with its final
internal polls, with about 70 percent of the vote going to
Paul.
With about 8,400 votes in, Paul is leading Peden 72-28.
UPDATE 8:53: These are early votes being reported right now, but around 40 to 50 percent of votes were cast in early voting and the Paul campaign doesn't expect the election day results to diverge. Brazoria County, which casts the plurality of TX-14 votes, is going 72-28 for Paul and 16 percent for him in the presidential race. Fort Bend County is Peden's stronghold, going only 60-40 for Paul.
UPDATE 10:39: With most of the early votes in and 14 percent of today's votes, Paul is up 68-32. In Fort Bend, where 67 percent of today's vote is in, there's no notable gap between today's vote and the early vote.
UPDATE 10:44: With Huckabee out and Bush endorsing McCain, how long will Paul stay in the GOP race? I've called the presidential campaign and have no answer yet, but obviously getting re-elected was the last real moment of truth in a now utterly Quixotic campaign. Paul is free, as Kucinich was in 2004, to stick around as long as he wants and hope that there are anti-McCain protest votes to be had in Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Indiana, etc and etc. Wracking up some delegates and speaking at the RNC: That's still a realistic goal. I can't say anything about the rumors that Paul is exploring a third party bid.
UPDATE 11:06: So, I pooh-poohed the claims that Republicans would cast finger-in-the-eye votes for Hillary in these primaries, but one of the most striking shifts in the exit polls is the Republican move away from Obama. Obama won them in Wisconsin 72-28; he won them in Ohio with 55-45, and in Texas with 53-46. It's easy to explain that shift by pointing to Limbaugh-inspired mischief voters. Maybe they were only 4-5 points of the shift, but that might be enough to swing it.
UPDATE 11:32: Ron Paul's statement.
"I am honored that the voters in the 14th District expressed their continued confidence in my leadership by overwhelmingly reelecting me to the House of Representatives. I have no Democrat opponent in November and will serve another term in Congress where I will continue my battle in behalf of taxpayers.
My message of limited-government and upholding the Constitution has once again been endorsed by the conservative-minded voters in my district. They understand and support the battle I have waged for thirty years to make the federal government smaller, to reduce wasteful government spending, to balance the budget, and to promote a foreign policy that always puts America first.
Some Washington insiders would have you believe that Republicans no longer believe in the principles our country and party were founded upon, but the voters in my district have once again proven them wrong.
The message of freedom is popular, and I will continue to trumpet it in Congress and across America as I fight on behalf of the conservative, common sense values which made our country so great.
In conclusion, I would like to offer my thanks and gratitude to all of the wonderful people who supported me in this campaign. I look forward to representing all of the good people of the 14th District of Texas in Congress in the years to come."
With 56 percent counted, Paul is winning 69-31.
UPDATE 1:31: With all but two precincts in, Paul has won 70.2-29.8
over Peden. Peden's improved only eight points over the
much-less-hyped Cynthia Sinatra campaign of 2006.
ORIGINAL POST, 6:00: This is the last truly huge primary day of the
year, with four states voting for presidential nominees and two of
them hosting hotly-contested House primaries: Dennis Kucinich's
race in Ohio and Ron Paul's race in Texas. Both of them will win.
Sources in Paul's campaign were tight-lipped, but they expect to
know they've won within 30 minutes of the polls closing. Also, they
expect Republican turnout to be high despite GOP voters dabbling in
the Clinton-Obama race. What about Chris Peden's boast that the GOP
committee in Aransas County has endorsed him? "Six precinct chairs
in the county that makes up one of the smallest parts of our
district? No, we're not worried about that." On the local sherrifs
who endorsed Peden? "They've endorsed against Dr. Paul in the past,
and Republican voters aren't moved by their sherrifs or by party
officials they've never heard of." Bottom line: Eric Dondero
probably doesn't need to update his resume for a new Congressional
job tomorrow.
What should you be reading? The estimate John LaBeaume has
electoral secrets up at his blog. Mark
Halperin is posting exit poll
data as it comes in, and old exit polls are up at CNN's
archived
2004 site. (They're useful for gauging if independent or black
or Hispanic or etc. turnout is up or down this year.) CNN's
2008 site has the
detailed exits. Numbers for the Texas-14 House race are here. For
reference, here's how Paul did in 2006, when he won 78 percent of
his primary vote.
Brazoria County - 8,829 votes (80.5 percent)
Galveston County - 3,588 (75.9 percent - this is where Peden's city
of Friendswood is located)
Victoria County - 3,279 votes (81.4 percent)
Wharton County - 1,962 votes (74.1 percent)
Fort Bend County - 1,945 (79.1 percent)
Chambers County - 1,708 (74.3 percent)
Aransas County - 1,658 votes (69.2 percent)
Matagorda County - 548 votes (74.8 percent)
Calhoun County - 355 votes (81.6 percent)
Jackson County - 214 votes (63.7 percent)
Here's what to watch tonight and when.
7 p.m.
Vermont
The Democrats (15 delegates) - Obama will win easily: He's
endorsed by Sen. Patrick Leahy and Rep. Peter Welch, and the parts
of the state that aren't liberal college towns (good Obama
territory) are sleepy rural areas that mirror the parts of New
Hampshire where Obama did best. Obama 64, Clinton 33, for a 4 or 5
delegate advantage. If this isn't called immediately, it's bad news
for the O-Team.
The Republicans (17 delegates) - John McCain will run laps
around Mike Huckabee. Figuratively! He'll beat him by at least 2 to
1 and sweep the delegates. (He beat George W. Bush by 24 points
here in 2000.)
7:30 p.m.
Ohio
The Democrats (141 delegates) - The Clinton campaign has
seized on the Austan Goolsbee/NAFTA gaffe masterfully, and aided by
union muscle and the machine of Gov. Ted Strickland, they should be
able to hold off Obama's smaller union machine, big ad buys, and
mayoral endorsements in the big cities. There's bad weather all
over the state, but ice storms in eastern Ohio: Bad for Obama in
the cities, good for Clinton in the Mahoning and Ohio valleys.
Clinton 54, Obama 45, with Clinton up by about 7 delegates. If this
is called within an hour, Clinton's last-minute poll surge was very
real.
The Republicans (85 delegates) - John McCain takes it
easily, by better than 25 points, and wins at least 75 delegates.
At this point in the night he'll be within 100 delegates of the
nomination.
Other races: In the 10th district, Rep. Dennis Kucinich
will win re-election over a field of challengers led by Cleveland
Councilman Joe Cimperman.
8 p.m.
Texas
The Democrats (193 delegates) - If this election had taken
place on Friday I think Obama would have won going away, by about 4
or 5 points. But everything indicates that Clinton experienced a
last-minute resurgence, aided by the "Children" ad, aided by a
number of things that have caused white voters to take a second
look at the race. I expect Obama to narrowly lose the popular vote
today—the question is whether he was winning the well-organized,
union-aided effort to score early voters in the last two weeks. My
bet is that he split that, and will fall short today. Clinton 50,
Obama 49, but aided by the caucus that begins at 8:15 p.m. in most
of the state and 9:15 p.m. in the west, he will win the most
delegates.
The Republicans (137 delegates) - McCain wins by better
than 20 points and clinches the nomination.
Other races: In the 14th district, Ron Paul will easily
put away Councilman Chris Peden. A 15-20 point margin.
9 p.m.
Rhode Island
The Democrats (21 delegates) - Obama tried to spook
Clinton with an 11th hour trip here, and attracted about 10,000
people to a rally in this state where about 35,000 voted in the
last presidential primary. He'll lose, but Clinton's victory will
be only about 10 points and 2-3 delegates.
The Republicans (17 delegates) - Eight years ago McCain
won this primary over George W. Bush by 23 points. He'll beat
Huckabee 2 to 1. New England loves the
man.
|3.4.08 @ 6:05PM|#
Bottom line: Eric Dondero probably doesn't need to update
his resume for a new Congressional job tomorrow.
I think I love you.
thoreau|3.4.08 @ 6:08PM|#
Bottom line: Eric Dondero probably doesn't need to update his resume for a new Congressional job tomorrow.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a fine day in American politics, as far as I'm
concerned.
|3.4.08 @ 6:08PM|#
LITTLE GREEN FOOTBALLS DOESN'T INCLUDE RON PAUL IN THEIR POLLS BECAUSE THEY ARE FACIST SOCIALIST
|3.4.08 @ 6:09PM|#
I'm calling Texas for Obama by 5 points, with a 3 point spread. My own personal anecdotal evidence suggests that many republicans here are desirous of screwing up the democratic election and hate Hillary more than Satan (who atleast is a Texan).
|3.4.08 @ 6:21PM|#
Clinton will win everything but Vermont, by a margin bigger than expected. Shes either been going up or holding her own in all the polls, not good for Obama.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 6:22PM|#
Im hoping Hilary is accidentally electrocuted onstage by faulty wiring while making last minute attacks on Obama.
|3.4.08 @ 6:25PM|#
My gut says the Clintons never die. They're the undead of the political world. How many times were they supposed to have been finished politically since 1992, and how many times have they come back to life? Yeah, exactly.
|3.4.08 @ 6:26PM|#
Clinton wins Ohio, but by 6 points or less.
Texas primary: who knows? It's Texas. Anything from Clinton by 3 to
Obama by 8. Bask in my prescience and courage!
Texas caucus: Obama in a walk.
Vermont: Obama, well into the double-digits.
RI: Clinton by about 9.
Total: Obama's delegate lead widens.
Brandybuck|3.4.08 @ 6:27PM|#
Jonathan: The big conspiracy that Russo doesn't tell us, because he was too afraid to, was the one where all your elementary school teachers conspired to make you look like an idiot.
|3.4.08 @ 6:27PM|#
Does anyone seriously think Hillary drops out tonight or anytime before Pennsylvania? Anyone?
Nephilium|3.4.08 @ 6:28PM|#
I couldn't do it... I couldn't convince myself to go and declare
a party today...
I live in Ohio's 10th district... I couldn't make myself say I was
a Republican so I could toss the single vote for Ron Paul, and I
couldn't say I was a Democrat just for the chance to vote against
Kucinich twice...
*sigh*
Nephilium
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 6:28PM|#
My prediction: Gravel, in a surprise move, sweeps all four states receiving 99% of the vote in each. Also, at the same time, recounts in all the previous states reveal that Gravel actually won them too.
Fluffy|3.4.08 @ 6:29PM|#
Someone at Rockwell's site claims that Paul / Barr 2008 is back
on the table.
From their lips to God's ears...or the FSM's ears...or
whatever.
BakedPenguin|3.4.08 @ 6:31PM|#
Vermont: Obama, well into the double-digits.
Percentages or voters? Or both? It is a small
state.
Eric Dunderoo|3.4.08 @ 6:35PM|#
Zombie Josef Stalin is the only true remaining mainstream libertarian republican.
|3.4.08 @ 6:38PM|#
I don't get all that talk, Cesar. Huckabee hasn't dropped out; why would Hillary drop out?
|3.4.08 @ 6:39PM|#
Because if Hillary fights it all the way to the convention it would basically destroy the Democratic Party. It would be like Chicago 1968. But of course, she wont' let that stop her lifelong ambition.
|3.4.08 @ 6:39PM|#
Lol BakedPenguin.
Obama is polling well in the crucial "That guy John, who owns the
gas station out by I-91" demographic.
|3.4.08 @ 6:41PM|#
Is Vermont also full of ex-Massachusettians (is that the right adjective?) like New Hampshire?
|3.4.08 @ 6:43PM|#
Because if Hillary fights it all the way to the convention
it would basically destroy the Democratic Party.
I guess that depends on how she campaigns.
If it really looks like she's out of it, I could see her staying in
while running a positive campaign in case Obama gets struck by
lighting, and to secure her spot as VP.
The idea that she'd bring the house down on the party's head is
part of the HITLERY conspiracy theories.
She's not a succubus. She's a politician like everybody else.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 6:44PM|#
joe,
Huckabee staying in doesn't actually do any serious damage to
McCain, as he isn't going negative in any serious way (other than
being the antichrist). He's only staying in to give himself a
better position with McCain for a position in the administration
(VP or Cabinet).
Clinton, on the other hand, is actually trying to win. Though maybe
there's a case that she shouldn't get out and that Obama hasn't got
everything wrapped up, she isn't in at all the same position as
Huckabee.
Pottsy|3.4.08 @ 6:48PM|#
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Hillary really have to bring down huge numbers tonight to be able to honestly say her campaign is still viable? Even if Obama loses, it seems like he wouldn't lose by much...
|3.4.08 @ 6:49PM|#
On VT and NH:
The first thing to keep in mind about ex-Massachusetts residents in
NH is that they are, in the aggregate, MORE CONSERVATIVE than
native New Hampshirites. People assume that transplants in New
Hampshire are "Massachusetts liberals," but the southern counties
where most of the transplants live gave a HIGHER % to Bush than the
rest of the state. These transplants are political refugees, not
missionaries.
There are a good number of Mass transplants in VT, as well, but
they're probably outnumbered by NY transplants.
|3.4.08 @ 6:50PM|#
Cesar | March 4, 2008, 6:45pm | #
Did you just say "Hillary" and "positive campaign" in the same
sentence joe?
Yes, Cesar. Positive campaign. Like the one she ran for an entire
year before Obama's big rise.
Jennifer|3.4.08 @ 6:50PM|#
So what would it take to convince Dondero to throw his support behind the drug war, too?
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 6:51PM|#
I've read that Clinton needs roughly 57% of the vote from now to the end of the primaries to even disrupt Obama's lead, and of course even that won't get the 2025 needed delegates.
|3.4.08 @ 6:52PM|#
Jennifer-
He already said previously the drug war wasn't really that big of
an issue. He said what makes someone a libertarian is some vague
stuff about "supporting property rights", cutting taxes (even if
spending isn't cut also) and "fighting the war on
islamofascism".
|3.4.08 @ 6:52PM|#
Pottsy,
She'd need a huge victory tonight to pull ahead, or just pull even,
with Obama in delegates and popular vote.
But, on the other hand, Obama would need a huge victory tonight to
nail down the nomination.
Hillary can stay in it, and hope for lightning to strike, unless
she gets blown out tonight.
|3.4.08 @ 6:53PM|#
If it really looks like she's out of it, I could see her
staying in while running a positive campaign in case Obama gets
struck by lighting, and to secure her spot as VP.
Hmmm, Obama struck by lightning or Obama offering Clinton the VP?
I'd say those possibilities are about equally likely.
Jennifer|3.4.08 @ 6:53PM|#
He said what makes someone a libertarian is some vague stuff
about "supporting property rights"
Ah. So THAT explains the Supreme Court decision in Kelo v. New
London.
|3.4.08 @ 6:53PM|#
So what would it take to convince Dondero to throw his
support behind the drug war, too?
What would it take to convince Eric that herpes is a real
libertarian disease?
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 6:54PM|#
Jennifer,
I think all it'd take is a completely unequivocal statement by a
candidate in favor of torture. Once that's given, the candidate has
shown him- or herself to be sufficiently opposed to
islamobamofascism to satisfy mainstream libertarian republicans
worldwide. Presumably then Dondero would give up any other
positions he claims to hold.
|3.4.08 @ 6:55PM|#
Brian Courts,
If they end up close enough, Obama might have to put her on the
ticket to keep from alienating her voters and backers.
Everyone talks about what could happen that would turn off Obama's
supporters, but that works both ways.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 6:57PM|#
joe:
If they end up close enough, Obama might have to put her on the ticket to keep from alienating her voters and backers.
I guess that's possible, but it seems like a poor call on his part
to me. He'd get some verbal support for it, but it seems like he'd
lose a lot of what his non-polarizing nature gets him.
|3.4.08 @ 7:01PM|#
Someone Who...,
I think it's something he'd only do if he felt that he had to. Part
of a deal to get enough Superdelegates, for example, or to get her
to drop out before the convention.
|3.4.08 @ 7:01PM|#
I just returned from voting in the Texas Republican Primary for Ron Paul. First time I've ever voted in a primary and the first time I've ever voted for a Republican for Prez. Not a nice feeling, but at least I got to stick it in the political establishment's eye a little bit. Perhaps it is only my precint, but turnout seemed light.
BakedPenguin|3.4.08 @ 7:03PM|#
joe - they must have missed polling the guy who hangs out at the
garage with John after fishing. Guess that's where the margin of
error comes in.
Also re: lib disease - the fact that he caught it, and
that it can't be cured by Medicare.
Cesar - VT isn't full of anything, except trees.
Burlington is a college town full of liberals, mainly from other
states (including, but not exclusively, MA). The people in the rest
of the state are probably outnumbered by deer. Seriously.
|3.4.08 @ 7:05PM|#
you strangle the globe with war and greed
stare blankly at flickering satelite feeds
fill the airwaves with fascist chatter
yet talk like your votes actually matter
|3.4.08 @ 7:06PM|#
We also don't write pointless crap on the comment threads of web
sites in other countries.
Because, really, who cares?
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 7:07PM|#
joe, yeah, I guess I could see that, but I really don't think she'd drop out even for a big favor like a VP slot. This is realistically almost her last chance at the presidency, so being VP probably won't get her anything. McCain's age is an issue and in eight years she'll be nearly as old as he is. The only way she gets to run again before then is if the Democrat loses this time around, in which case she'd be going against an incumbent.
Nash|3.4.08 @ 7:09PM|#
OT but it's congressional race related. Tom McClintock just announced he's running for congress in Northern California (he's getting termed out of the state senate). We gonna get a story on that or is he not Cosmo enough? I think the primary election for CA congress is in June.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 7:10PM|#
VT isn't full of anything, except trees... The people in the
rest of the state are probably outnumbered by deer
Incorrect. DAIRY COWS is the answer.
yanks are funny | March 4, 2008, 7:05pm | #
Your poem is funny. because it violates your own internal logic.
Either we're omnipotent, or impotent. Figure it out already!
and FWIW, if you're a brit, gadzooks... what are you if not our
lapdog? Who should you be bitching to: us, or maybe look in the
mirror?
Player hating is like, so... French of you.
|3.4.08 @ 7:13PM|#
Did some sixth grader from Il De France just post his two-bit love poem to Mikey Moore on here? Aw, isn't that cute!
Ali|3.4.08 @ 7:15PM|#
I can vouch for the people of Vermont. I have personally counted more humans than deer. But by a small margin. But of course deer hide most of the time and just show up in the middle of the interstate highway (they do have two of the in VT --mostly used by deers and Canadian snowbirds driving down to FL and NC) in the middle of snow storms.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 7:17PM|#
just out of curiosity, does anyone really understand how Ohio
voters think repealing NAFTA will keep manufacturing jobs in the
state?
I mean, doesnt that just hasten moves by industry out to eastern
europe and asia, rather than within the trade region?
Or is everyone really that dumb?
Wait, I think maybe i answered my own question.
|3.4.08 @ 7:18PM|#
@ Gilmore
Player hating is like, so... French of you.
Dat wadunt berry gneiss ob you, Gilmore. Lol
|3.4.08 @ 7:23PM|#
MSNBC just put up polling numbers. 81% of Ohio respondants say
that NAFTA hurt more than it helped. Not really much of a
surprise.
Then they put up Texas: 59% of TEXANS said the same thing. Texas,
the border state, that doesn't have a mature manufacturing industry
to speak of.
Eric Dunder-schmoe|3.4.08 @ 7:24PM|#
HUGE NEWS!!!
I just found my ass with both hands and a flashlight!! Why aren't
the "libertarian" blogs like Hit and Run covering...oh...wait a
sec...damn. Lost it again.
|3.4.08 @ 7:25PM|#
What Ohio doesn't realize is, even if we put up HUGE tariffs to "protect" domestic industry, the manufacturing plants in the mid-west would just go to Alabama and South Carolina instead of Mexico and China.
SIV|3.4.08 @ 7:29PM|#
The people in the rest of the state are probably outnumbered
by deer. Seriously.
Bears are no doubt outnumbered by hippies in VT as they are in at
least 49 States. Alaska must have more bears than hippies .
Nephilium|3.4.08 @ 7:29PM|#
GILMORE:
The Production unions in Ohio are a bunch of morons. I do know of
at least one steel mill in the area that wanted to modernize the
line they had; however, the new line while producing more steel,
needed less workers. The workers at the plant railed against it,
fought it tooth and nail, and the plant didn't modernize.
The plant is now closed. So instead of a small loss of jobs, all
the jobs were gone.
Nephilium
|3.4.08 @ 7:34PM|#
What Ohio doesn't realize is, even if we put up HUGE tariffs
to "protect" domestic industry, the manufacturing plants in the
mid-west would just go to Alabama and South Carolina[.]
Or Texas? Maybe that explains joe's comment about Texans apparent
dislike for NAFTA -- they're just pissed they didn't get their
chance to extort the rest of us the way Ohioans and Michiganders
did for years.
|3.4.08 @ 7:36PM|#
Or Texas? Maybe that explains joe's comment about Texans apparent dislike for NAFTA -- they're just pissed they didn't get their chance to extort the rest of us the way Ohioans and Michiganders did for years.
Good point.
But, of course, no one would be so stupid as to suggest that it
would be a good thing if the 50 different states had tariffs on
other states products.
|3.4.08 @ 7:40PM|#
Then they put up Texas: 59% of TEXANS said the same thing.
Texas, the border state, that doesn't have a mature manufacturing
industry to speak of.
Of course, the voters in that state have also spent the last 3
weeks or so watching the two candidates the (majority of them) are
choosing between try to one-up each other in describing how much of
a disaster it is.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 7:42PM|#
bah, fuck em.
I never liked ohio anyway.
It reminds me of that famous scene in the "hullabalooza" episode of
the Simpsons, when the tour bus comes to a crossroads, with one way
pointing Toledo, and the other pointing Cleveland.
The bus heads towards Toledo, backs back towards Cleveland.... then
heads back in the direction they came from.
Vermont Gun Owner|3.4.08 @ 7:43PM|#
I voted for RP today. When the lady asked me which party I was
going to vote in, she already was picking up the Democratic ballot.
She looked confused for a second after I said Republican, then had
to put the ballet back down and grab the right one.
Cesar | March 4, 2008, 6:41pm | #
Is Vermont also full of ex-Massachusettians (is that the right
adjective?) like New Hampshire?
No, they are called Massholes. And yes, they are everywhere.
joe | March 4, 2008, 6:49pm | #
On VT and NH:
The first thing to keep in mind about ex-Massachusetts residents in
NH is that they are, in the aggregate, MORE CONSERVATIVE than
native New Hampshirites. People assume that transplants in New
Hampshire are "Massachusetts liberals," but the southern counties
where most of the transplants live gave a HIGHER % to Bush than the
rest of the state. These transplants are political refugees, not
missionaries.
There are a good number of Mass transplants in VT, as well, but
they're probably outnumbered by NY transplants.
This may be true for NH, but I highly doubt it is true for VT.
Vermont has such a liberal reputation that why would a conservative
come here as a political refugee? More to the point, most of the
liberals I know are either from out of state (with a large
percentage from MA) or are kids whose parents are flatlanders.
Plus, the only county to go for Bush in '04 was Essex county, and I
am pretty sure that the percentage of Massholes there is very
low.
BakedPenguin | March 4, 2008, 7:03pm |
Cesar - VT isn't full of anything, except trees. Burlington is a
college town full of liberals, mainly from other states (including,
but not exclusively, MA). The people in the rest of the state are
probably outnumbered by deer. Seriously.
The Burlington political atmosphere sucks.
As for the deer, that depends. Are we talking before or after deer
season? Also, does a deer still count if it is in someone's
freezer?
DatONEfoo|3.4.08 @ 7:45PM|#
go to www.zeitgeistmovie.com or google Pharmacratic Inquisition or watch Freedom to Fascism. Keep an open mind. Understand that there are motives behind every action and you'll see the curtain lift right before your eyes.
|3.4.08 @ 7:45PM|#
Bottom line: Eric Dondero probably doesn't need to update
his resume for a new Congressional job tomorrow.
Ouch! That's gotta hurt!
Maybe not quite a kick in the nuts, but I'll take it!
|3.4.08 @ 7:46PM|#
Its weird that New England split between Obama and Clinton. I've never been to New England (except the New York suburbs of Connecticut) but I always thought it was a really, really ultra-liberal place that would love Obama.
|3.4.08 @ 7:47PM|#
Josh,
Of course, the voters in that state have also spent the last 3
weeks or so watching the two candidates the (majority of them) are
choosing between try to one-up each other in describing how much of
a disaster it is.
Actually, in 2004, the number was 62%, so I don't think that's a
very likely explanation.
VGO,
Quite right. I was just talking about New Hampshire, and about
southern New Hampshire in particular.
|3.4.08 @ 7:49PM|#
Cesar,
I think New England is more ultra-Democrat than
ultra-liberal.
For example, the Massachusetts House has had an insanely large
Democratic majority for decades, but the leadership is always from
the conservative wing of the party.
Eric Dondero|3.4.08 @ 7:52PM|#
This just in! Ron Paul only has 67% of the vote so far in
Calhoun County. Who's smiling now? His supporters were all claiming
he would get over 80%, so that's 13 points short! What a bunch of
pathetic losers you are. Thirteen points down! This just goes to
show that Texas prefers patriotic Mainstream Libertarians like
Peden over anarcho-pacifist traitors like Paul.
I don't have to update MY resume, how about you? Hmmm?
|3.4.08 @ 7:54PM|#
I don't think thats the real Dondero, but kudos to him for doing a great job of getting his writers voice right.
|3.4.08 @ 8:00PM|#
I think we can agree the faux-Dondero is probably one of the
best impersonations ever done on H&R. I seriously thought it
was the real Dondero until I checked the URL.
Anyway, I'm making a projection that Hilldog wins Ohio by a
comfortable margin (+8 points, three point MOE). Richardson just
said that if Hillary wins both Ohio and Texas the race is, in his
words, "wide open".
|3.4.08 @ 8:03PM|#
Hillary is leading Obama 60-40 in Ohio right now.
So, obviously, he's up 3-2 in delegates.
God bless America!
|3.4.08 @ 8:04PM|#
If by some chance Hillary should win the nomination, does anyone here think she would offer the VP slot to Obama? Seems like it would be a smart move on her part.
|3.4.08 @ 8:05PM|#
Actually, in 2004, the number was 62%, so I don't think
that's a very likely explanation.
So I guess the surprising thing is that only 59% of them are now
after the campaign's focus over the last week?
|3.4.08 @ 8:08PM|#
Ok, as one of probably the few anti-Nafta folks here, does
anyone else see the irony in HRC winning Ohio based on anti-Nafta
sentiment.
Sorry for skipping the acronym, but: WHAT THE FUCK!
Is Ohio the stuppidest state EVER? Remember this state gave it to
GW based on the economy. Holy shit.
|3.4.08 @ 8:08PM|#
** Representatives of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the
American Israel Public Affairs Committee told Presidential
candidate Dennis Kucinich before the Nevada primary that if he
dropped his campaigns to impeach Cheney and Bush, they would
guarantee his re-election to Congress. Kucinich threw them out of
his office.
http://www.innworldreport.net/archives/fromthestudio/index.html
|3.4.08 @ 8:09PM|#
RCP had her up on average +7.1. Shes going to do better than that in the results. Watch.
|3.4.08 @ 8:12PM|#
|3.4.08 @ 8:12PM|#
HRC's husband was the guy who ensured NAFTA's passage. He used
to cite it as one of his greatest accomplishments.
Maybe this is one of the few areas where libertarians would like
what Bill did, but man, I think we all can agree that for HRC to
somehow position herself as the anti-NAFTA candidate is the queen
of all bullshit...Ohio has to be the dumbest place on earth...
|3.4.08 @ 8:13PM|#
MNG thats mostly because of Obama's little gaffe with the Canadian government telling them it was "just politics".
|3.4.08 @ 8:13PM|#
Ohio, thus far. I wouldn't be surprised to see Texas, either. If she wins Texas (even just the primary) it is "wide open" indeed.
|3.4.08 @ 8:17PM|#
MNG, basically the Canadian news reported that the Obama campaign told higher-up officials in the Canadian government that he wouldn't REALLY change NAFTA, that he was just doing this for "politics".
|3.4.08 @ 8:18PM|#
CNN's first releases show Obama winning Cesar, they note not all polls have even closed though
|3.4.08 @ 8:19PM|#
Cesar-I visited my parents in Richmond last week and they were all atwitter about Kaine being on the short list for Obama. Is that true?
|3.4.08 @ 8:20PM|#
Cesar-I visited my parents in Richmond last week and they were all atwitter about Kaine being on the short list for Obama. Is that true?
Yeah, he endorsed Obama early on when Clinton was still
"inevitable" (he was even the first sitting Governor to endorse
Obama) but I don't think hes a particularly good pick. If he wants
to pick someone form Virginia Jim Webb is much better.
Fluffy|3.4.08 @ 8:21PM|#
Cesar, I don't see how Hillary can win OH by that much.
The exit polls say they tied nonunion households and Hillary won
union households 52-47.
Since those two groups add up to everyone, that to me says Hillary
won the state overall by something less than 52-47.
|3.4.08 @ 8:21PM|#
"...the Canadian news reported that the Obama campaign told
higher-up officials in the Canadian government that he wouldn't
REALLY change NAFTA, that he was just doing this for
"politics"."
I don't get it - I thought Obama and Clinton both did that. Did she
just spin it better, or do it a little more political savvy?
|3.4.08 @ 8:22PM|#
MNG,
Bill Richardson sez: If Obama wins Texas and Ohio, it's over. If
Hillary wins both, the race is "wide open." If they split, then I
guess it's something in between.
|3.4.08 @ 8:22PM|#
Q: If Obama wins Texas, is it pretty much over?
Technically yes, since there probably aren't many realistic
scenarios that Hillary could make up the delegates, but she'll stay
in it either way. If she lost Ohio (doubtful) she'd probably
drop.
|3.4.08 @ 8:22PM|#
"At this point in the night he'll be within 100 delegates of the nomination."
How was that estimate calculated? Is it the same way the AP is
estimating the number?
|3.4.08 @ 8:23PM|#
Joe, Mark Warner is my next Senator. Hes running against fucking Jim Gilmore! Hes not going to pass up that kind of cakewalk for a possible shot at the Vice Presidency.
|3.4.08 @ 8:23PM|#
Apparently, Sparky, Obama had a flunky back in Chicago who decided to open up to someone at the Canadian consulate.
|3.4.08 @ 8:24PM|#
Thanks on the Obama tip. Jesus I hope he finds whoever in his campaign did that and kicks his ass. He should have had a natural advantage in the NAFTA hate area. HRC is a complete phoney in this area, in Romney like dimensions...
|3.4.08 @ 8:24PM|#
Too busy to read all the comments, but one weird thing just popped out at me on CNN: with less than 1% of the results in, Obama and Clinton have over 700,000 votes between them. Are there really 70,000,000 expected voters in Texas tonight in the Democrat primaries?
|3.4.08 @ 8:24PM|#
You might be right about Warner, Cesar. Still, I'm sure Obama would love to have him.
|3.4.08 @ 8:25PM|#
John-David,
Something like a million Texans voted early. Maybe they're counting
those?
Fluffy|3.4.08 @ 8:26PM|#
Kos is reporting that Obama won the early voters in TX by 5
points.
Since that was a million %&$&ing voters this year, that's a
big early lead.
|3.4.08 @ 8:26PM|#
Thanks joe. Fuck, I guess it would be asking too much for HRC to just drop out for the good of the party...Remember I started out here thinking she was better, but the more this goes on, the more I see her running like a Republican would against Obama, and the disingenous levels she ha been willing to stoop too, the more I want to take a long shower for ever supporting her. Yuck...
|3.4.08 @ 8:27PM|#
MNG you were a Jerry Brown supporter in '92 right? I'm surprised you could ever support a Clinton after that.
|3.4.08 @ 8:27PM|#
They say Warner should be a walk. Gilmore is a walking joke...But VA is a pretty conservative place...Course, I haven't lived there for a long time, and never thought Webb (who I agree is better than Kaine or Warner Cesar) would beat George Allen...
Fluffy|3.4.08 @ 8:28PM|#
Holy crap, it's actually Obama by 17 among the early Texas voters. 17 points?
|3.4.08 @ 8:28PM|#
The Wolf is talking about the "caucuses" in Texas.
You can hear the air quotes in his voice: "caucuses." Like he's
explaining it to four-year-olds.
|3.4.08 @ 8:28PM|#
"Apparently, Sparky, Obama had a flunky back in Chicago who
decided to open up to someone at the Canadian consulate."
Well, I hope they got laid at least.
|3.4.08 @ 8:29PM|#
LoL, Sparky.
"They say people only use 10% of their brains. I think we only use
10% of our hearts."
|3.4.08 @ 8:30PM|#
Cesar, can we reopen the "redneck/racist" discussion we were having a few threads ago?
|3.4.08 @ 8:31PM|#
Cesar-I kind of hate the Clintons, but I think I end up
defending them when people, like some of the posters on H&R,
try to argue that they are the Devil Incarnate on even the smallet
points. Ironically, I've always thought this is how the Clinton's
"do it" they point to the extremists hate of them a proof that they
are not that bad, and I guess I've fallen for it a few
times...
I also thought that while HRC was, and is, a terrible candidate,
that Obama had no chance. But lately the evidence of the new voters
he's pulled makes me thinkg he can pull HRC supporter and then
some...
As fluffy can tell you I like McCain. A lot. But I just don't want
more GOP SCOTUS justices...
|3.4.08 @ 8:31PM|#
Sure. Rednecks aren't racist. Jim Webb is a HUGE redneck. For
God's sake, he tried to conceal carry in the U.S. Capitol!
But hes married to a Vietnamese woman, and his daughter is engaged
to a Guatemalan immigrant. Rednecks CAN be racist but not all (by
far) are.
|3.4.08 @ 8:31PM|#
NBC is saying there's little chance Hillary will win more
delegates than Obama in Texas, even if she wins the popular
vote.
Add in the caucus, which he'll likely win, Obama wins Texas where
it counts.
|3.4.08 @ 8:33PM|#
Cesar,
Funny thing is, I realized that right after I hit post. Some huge
precinct probably has reported, and that is skewing the
numbers.
joe,
That could be as well. I would think those results will only be
reported once the entire precinct's results are in, though.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 8:35PM|#
MNG, Virginia's going blue, it's just a matter of time.
In addition to his other advantages in the Senate race, Warner is
running for a seat vacated by a Senator named Warner.
Actually, since VA isn't blue yet, I think Webb might be out as
well. They don't want to lose that seat 'til it's a sure thing.
Fluffy|3.4.08 @ 8:35PM|#
I don't see how Hillary can possibly overcome Obama's lead in TX based on the prevote. It just doesn't seem statistically possible. She's not only going to lose Texas, she's going to get a savage ass pounding in Texas.
|3.4.08 @ 8:36PM|#
I never saw that Macaca video until right now. THAT was what all
the fuss was about? Much better than writing books using the
n-word, I guess.
Sorry for the derailment, but that whole Macaca thing was just
stoopid.
|3.4.08 @ 8:37PM|#
I agree that Webb is as red as the day is long, but not
racist.
He's one of the few Democratic politicians that I think is, well, a
man. And that says something bad about that party imo...
|3.4.08 @ 8:38PM|#
Webb can appeal to rural white voters, and also add foreign
policy gravitas.
On the downside, hes a piss-poor campaigner but that might not
matter if hes second on the ticket.
Nash|3.4.08 @ 8:38PM|#
U. S. Representative District 14
Ron Paul - Incumbent 6,099 71.96% 6,099 71.96%
W. Chris Peden 2,376 28.03% 2,376 28.03%
----------- -----------
Total Votes Cast 8,475 8,475
Precincts Reported 0 of 51 Precincts 0.00%
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 8:39PM|#
Yeah, Allen should have just lost because he was a moron. Or on all of his other racist crap. Or really for any of a million other reasons.
|3.4.08 @ 8:39PM|#
Cesar,
Rednecks CAN be racist but not all (by far) are. Most of
them don't eat squirrels and get into bar fights, either, but all
three of those things are part of the redneck archetype.
Webb and Allen were duking it out to define Allen's self-produced
redneck image to the voters.
Allen wanted to appeal to all of the positive connotations that the
archetype has for Virginians: genuine, local, tough, honorable,
Southern.
Webb was trying to hit on the negative connotations of the concept,
especially hotheaded and racist.
When Allen called that kid "Macacca," it was such a huge blow
because it played into the negative narrative that his opponents
had been trying to set up. Golly gee, maybe putting a Confederate
flag lapel on for your class picture, when you're from California,
really IS an indication that you're a racist!
|3.4.08 @ 8:39PM|#
"she's going to get a savage ass pounding in Texas."
I know how repulsive most here find HRC, but the image of her in
her younger days, getting a savage ass pounding, is arousing as all
get out for me...*
*I think she was kinda cute in her younger days
|3.4.08 @ 8:40PM|#
Cesar,
Jim Webb is a HUGE redneck. Yes, and he tried to set
himself up as the GOOD redneck, while Allen was the BAD
redneck.
|3.4.08 @ 8:41PM|#
Joe I think its more that Allen was the fake redneck and Webb was the real thing.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 8:41PM|#
True enough Cesar, but I think they'll be loath to give up his
seat especially if it looks like there won't be tons of Senate
gains just yet, though what, Kaine appoints the interim, right?
That may be enough for them to make it worthwhile.
Yeah Webb's no great shakes at campaigning. He really rode in on
the changing Virginia color and Allen's stupidity. A few other
people suggested a few possible running mates for Obama, some
moderate governors, I believe?
|3.4.08 @ 8:41PM|#
Actually, since VA isn't blue yet, I think Webb might be out
as well. They don't want to lose that seat 'til it's a sure
thing.
Plus, there's a meaningful possibility that Jim Webb is batshit
insane.
|3.4.08 @ 8:42PM|#
Plus, there's a meaningful possibility that Jim Webb is batshit insane.
Well, theres a good chance John McCain is too. So it balances
out.
|3.4.08 @ 8:43PM|#
I think what happened to Allen was, that while many bought his goofy boots wearing country boy routine, many suspected he was a spoilt rich brat with not much brain. The last campaign he confirmed this in more people's mind than disconfirmed it...I remember the pathetic bastard, the first debate he was in trouble, where he disingenously kept refering to "my wife and I" as running and leading, because he was trying to cut into Webb's support among women...What was once a simple formula to win in VA was now bankrupt, and George did not have the IQ to know what to do...
Fluffy|3.4.08 @ 8:43PM|#
The Hill-dog is extra crispy at this point.
She won't quit, though.
On some level you have to hand it to both her and Bill - they
never, ever, ever give up.
|3.4.08 @ 8:43PM|#
A few other people suggested a few possible running mates for Obama, some moderate governors, I believe?
Brad Henry of Oklahoma would be great for him. Hes like Bill
Richardson except hes white, southern, a really good
campaigner.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 8:44PM|#
Also, the macaca thing showed Allen as a fake southerner - I
think that may have been part of the hit he took. Like he was raist
but not a real redneck.
Oh and joe: I have eaten squirrel.
|3.4.08 @ 8:44PM|#
Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:41pm | #
Joe I think its more that Allen was the fake redneck and Webb was
the real thing.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but there was definite movement after
the macacca incident, and getting called out for being a racist
certainly doesn't make you look like LESS of a redneck.
|3.4.08 @ 8:45PM|#
Nash - Is this real or speculation?
U. S. Representative District 14
Ron Paul - Incumbent 6,099 71.96% 6,099 71.96%
W. Chris Peden 2,376 28.03% 2,376 28.03%
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 8:45PM|#
raist=racist. I wouldn't want to accuse Allen of being a sun-god worshipper.
Shane Brady|3.4.08 @ 8:46PM|#
How exciting! Ron Paul gets to spend another two years crafting
anti-gay, anti-choice, and anti-church-state-separation legislation
that never even make it out of committee.
What did Ron Paul used to say about term limits?
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 8:46PM|#
I'm not saying you're wrong, but there was definite movement
after the macacca incident, and getting called out for being a
racist certainly doesn't make you look like LESS of a
redneck.
It does when you're being racist with a word spoken in French
Tunisia that no Virginian has ever heard before.
|3.4.08 @ 8:47PM|#
What I guess I'm saying is, Webb wouldn't have won if he was some NOVA, pro-gun control yankee transplant with a New England accent.
|3.4.08 @ 8:48PM|#
"How exciting!"
It would be very exciting to see a good man like Paul heavily
defeat a smear-job jerk like Chris Peden.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 8:48PM|#
joe: lol.
Though it's a fair question since I'm from West Virginia
originally. For such a monochromatic state, the people there always
had a really severe hatred of black people. It's almost as though
they were going around saying "goddamn but I hate unicorns, I know
I've never seen one but goddamn, they suck."
|3.4.08 @ 8:49PM|#
Ron Paul primary results updated live here: http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/mar04_135_state.htm
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 8:50PM|#
Oh, and on the method of cooking, no; cooked in gravy with dumplings.
|3.4.08 @ 8:50PM|#
DONDERRRRRRRRROOOOOOOO!
The only thing that could make this more sweet is if it was Dondero
himself getting creamed.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 8:51PM|#
The only thing that could make this more sweet is if it was
Dondero himself getting creamed.
He's in Tijuana taking care of that right now.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 8:55PM|#
What if he was getting, er, the Hillary Clinton Texas
treatment?
OK, I've seen every episode of Real Sex and
Cathouse and haven't heard of that one ever.
Jennifer|3.4.08 @ 8:55PM|#
The only thing that could make this more sweet is if it was
Dondero himself getting creamed.
It is. Remember Dondero's old bragging that he'd take Paul's House
seat away from him?
Shane Brady|3.4.08 @ 8:55PM|#
Fluffy,
I don't care that much if he's re-elected to Congress, since he
doesn't represent my district. It would be better if people like
this:
"Dr. Paul, who served in Congress in the late 1970s and early
1980s, said Tuesday that he has produced the newsletter since 1985
and distributes it to an estimated 7,000 to 8,000 subscribers. A
phone call to the newsletter's toll-free number was answered by his
campaign staff."
would be voted out, but oh, well, it's the 14th's loss not
mine.
Shane Brady|3.4.08 @ 8:56PM|#
Plus, if Ron Paul understood the Constitution, he would know
that it bans elected officials from praying in public.
http://www.shanebrady.com/2007/11/14/georgia-and-the-uselessness-of-prayer/.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 9:01PM|#
OK - off to watch Tom Regan kick the guy from L.A. Law's ass. Be back later for more squirrel-eating anecdotes.
|3.4.08 @ 9:02PM|#
Someone,
"Hillary Clinton Texas treatment" - I was referring to Fluffy's
comment at 8:35.
Nash|3.4.08 @ 9:02PM|#
"I don't care that much if he's re-elected to Congress, since he
doesn't represent my district. It would be better if people like
this.. would be voted out, but oh, well, it's the 14th's loss not
mine."
Yes I'd much rather have war-mongering, tax and spend
authoritarians voted into office solely based on the fact they
don't publish newsletters that hurt people's feelings.
Get your priorities straight moron.
|3.4.08 @ 9:04PM|#
"Ron Paul has been re-elected to Congress in the Fourteenth
District of Texas."
Great news in my opinion.
Bingo|3.4.08 @ 9:04PM|#
The only thing that could make this more sweet is if it was Dondero himself getting creamed.
|3.4.08 @ 9:04PM|#
John McCain's such a political genius that he's going to kick off his general election campaign tomorrow by...staging a great, big event around getting the endorsement of Mr. 29% at the White House.
Brett|3.4.08 @ 9:06PM|#
Don't know what it means, but voting this morning in McKinney (burb north of Dallas), the Dem line was 30 deep, the Rep line...0 deep. I was there to vote Paul, so I wasn't complaining, got in and out in about 2 mins. Not sure if Republicans are staying home b/c of the perception McCain has it wrapped up, or if half those in the Dem line were dittoheads voting Hillary, but the difference was quite stunning, especially given it's TX.
Shane Brady|3.4.08 @ 9:07PM|#
Nash,
If you're fine with racism and homophobia and call it just "hurting
people's feelings", I can't stop you, but I try to be a better
person than that.
|3.4.08 @ 9:07PM|#
John Kerry got 2.4 million votes in Texas.
3.8 million people voted in the Texas Democratic primary this
year.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 9:08PM|#
joe, oh OK: "get a savage ass pounding in Texas." Yeah, Dondero might do that.
Shane Brady|3.4.08 @ 9:08PM|#
Oh, and forgot to tell you... I'm a war-monger...
http://www.shanebrady.com/2007/03/17/iraq-should-we-stay-or-should-we-go/
My priorities are straight.
|3.4.08 @ 9:08PM|#
Man, I hate seeing threads hijacked into stupid paleo/cosmo
fights about Ron Paul.
So, in the interest of unity:
People who deny global warming are illiterates who molest
children.
|3.4.08 @ 9:11PM|#
If you're fine with racism and homophobia and call it just
"hurting people's feelings", I can't stop you, but I try to be a
better person than that.
It's not going to cause wars or destroy our economy. Ron Paul has
faults, but he's still an important person to have in Congress.
Franklin Harris|3.4.08 @ 9:11PM|#
With about 8,400 votes in, Paul is leading Peden 72-28.
And to think: It could have been Dondero getting beaten like a
Mexican prostitute by a drunken sailor tonight.
|3.4.08 @ 9:13PM|#
The Democratic nominee should send out mailers with that picture
of McCain hugging Bush at the '04 convention.
Maybe with that shot of the fat lady with the Purple Heart band aid
on her face.
|3.4.08 @ 9:14PM|#
Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul !!!
Ha Ha Hillary! (She is gonna lose Texas, right?)
Ha Ha Donderooo!
Oh yeah, (So I guess there is such a thing as Vermont-Is it true
that John Elway can throw a football across the narrow part?)
|3.4.08 @ 9:17PM|#
Are you suggesting that a uniformed, active-duty member of the
military would engage in partisan politics, Cesar?
Perish the thought!
Jennifer|3.4.08 @ 9:19PM|#
And to think: It could have been Dondero getting beaten like
a Mexican prostitute by a drunken sailor tonight.
No, it's better this way. As a libertarian I am very uncomfortable
with election results like "Ron Paul got 99.9 percent of the vote,"
even if it WOULD be true, were Dondero his opponent.
|3.4.08 @ 9:19PM|#
Paul's critics have got to eat the dust on Paul's Congressional
election.
But honestly Paul isn't doing so hot in the Presidential returns.
Looks like only 6% in his native Texas.
|3.4.08 @ 9:20PM|#
6% in Texas? That's not good. Let's hope that number goes higher as the night progresses.
|3.4.08 @ 9:20PM|#
Good Lord, it looks like absolutely no resolution on the
Democratic side. Hillary seems like shes in this for the
convention, even if she just wins
Ohio.
Wait for her to talk about the "voices" of Florida and Michigan
tonight.
|3.4.08 @ 9:21PM|#
Dondero is trying to imitate me in case his chintzy writing style isn't a big of enough clue.
|3.4.08 @ 9:23PM|#
Paul was using Obama's line in his campaign materials the
closing days. His signs had "Vote for Hope, Vote for Ron
Paul."
Good strategy. Paul has more in common with Obama than McCain.
Maybe that's the reason for Paul's crushing defeat of Peden?
Fluffy|3.4.08 @ 9:23PM|#
The reason you're a cunt, Shane, is because there is absolutely
no aspect of Paul's supposed anti-choice, anti-gay or pro-church
legislative agenda that would not be heartily endorsed by
Peden.
But Peden also is pro-torture, pro-concentration-camp,
pro-Drug-war, and specifically promised to dramatically increase
the amount of pork spending directed to the 14th and neighboring
Texas districts.
And frankly, Peden's complete lack of scruple [typical for a
mainstream Republican] would mean that he wouldn't even try to
wedge his social conservative agenda into a constitutionalist
straitjacket the way Paul does, so Peden's anti-gay, anti-choice
and pro-church activites would probably make Paul look like a
piker.
Your complaint was stupid, and like most anti-Paul complaints I see
it's a lie. You don't care about any of that crap. You're just
pissed because Paul doesn't want to slaughter Muslims, so you grasp
around for something to bitch about.
|3.4.08 @ 9:24PM|#
Joe, every day Hillary stays in hurts Obama more.
Shes going to go even more negative after her comeback tonight.
|3.4.08 @ 9:24PM|#
He's trying hard I see to put words in my mouth. I've got something hard that I'd like to stick in his mouth, and it ain't a broom handle.
|3.4.08 @ 9:25PM|#
Cesar, I luv you man, but you do realize you just said you wanted to stick your dick in Dondero's mouth? Not too cool.
Fluffy|3.4.08 @ 9:26PM|#
Where's your God now, Huckabee?
I thought it was the miracle of the loaves and fishes all over
again, or whatever.
I guess Jesus must have had some high school sports games to go fix
tonight, instead of these primaries.
|3.4.08 @ 9:27PM|#
I agree Obama is gaining cause of his anti-War stance. The Military is not all it's cracked up to be. This Surge is a failure. Obama, and Ron Paul, will benefit when it comes to light that it was all based on lies.
|3.4.08 @ 9:27PM|#
This Republican would renounce an endorsement from the
sycophant, General Betrayus
No respect for that clown:
http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_10_08/index1.html
|3.4.08 @ 9:28PM|#
You know, Governor Huckabee, if some woman sold her wedding ring, and some impoverished guy with a wife in a wheelchair, sent me the money...I'd send it back.
Pedobear|3.4.08 @ 9:28PM|#
People who deny global warming are illiterates who molest
children.
Stop insulting child molesters, joe. We care about our victims'
future.
|3.4.08 @ 9:30PM|#
Right Joe. Paul's victory is a slap in the face of all those
Military fanatics. All those yahoos who put that silly yellow
ribbon on the back of their pickups with the slogan, "Support the
Troops."
Should read Support Peace: Reduce the Military.
|3.4.08 @ 9:31PM|#
Hey, I'm on the company's laptop; I think I'll pop Pedobear's
link into the address bar and see what comes up.
That sounds like a great idea!
|3.4.08 @ 9:32PM|#
I'll take it as a compliment that someone is posting under my
name.
But you can stop now.
|3.4.08 @ 9:33PM|#
Dondero, you bozo, you and your Military buddies lost to true
Patriot Ron Paul. Now we can get on with the business of bringing
the Military home, and maybe even downsizing it, and making some
serious cutbacks.
And no so-called GI Bill for those Veterans. They deserve no
respect, like their buffoon boss George. W. Bush.
|3.4.08 @ 9:35PM|#
Can you only win the Oscar for a serious movie? I meant, it's the same directors/writers, both with great actors, and one is Oscar material, the other ignored by the same...WTF?
|3.4.08 @ 9:40PM|#
Joe-what an evil answer ;) You're about to enter a world of
pain...
Can't a funny movie be as "great" as a "serious" one?
They're both monumental lies...But both great art...
|3.4.08 @ 9:42PM|#
I don't recall Dondero claiming Ron Paul would lose. In fact, Sunday night on his blog radio show, I emailed him after the show if he was going to have Peden on as a guest in the future and he said no because "he is going to lose".. I will be more then happy to forward the email to any inquiring minds as proof.
Nephilium|3.4.08 @ 9:42PM|#
Gah... Damn you stupid Ohio officials! Pushing the polls open
for an extra two hours...
Damn you freezing rain and co-worker almost blowing up his car
battery trying to jump it!
Damn you stupid Fox news commentators I was forced to listen to
while driving around calling Ohio an open primary.
I just want to find some 10th district results... I want to see if
I need to deal with Kucinich for two more years...
Nephilium
robc|3.4.08 @ 9:44PM|#
Andrew,
Dondero "promised" us last year that Paul would lose. In fact, he
was going to be doing the whipping. Then, he chose not to run
because Peden entered and could handle it. Changing your mind at
the last minute gets no credit.
|3.4.08 @ 9:44PM|#
Joe,
while I don't consider myself a redneck, I have eaten in the last
year, squirrel, rabbit, deer, dove, quail, gator tail, opossum and
armadillo and rattlesnake. At a southern baptist cookout among
other places.
Oh, and we prefer the term, "country boy."
|3.4.08 @ 9:47PM|#
I voted Hildog. It made my nuggets hurt, but I did it for you
guys.
Can't speak for the relative turnout, my location was Dem-only. But
it was packed, more people than in a general presidential
election.
Tom Walls|3.4.08 @ 9:49PM|#
In his district, more Texans voted for Ron for Congress than did
McCain for President.
I think the Texans in the 14th absolutely love having Ron in
Congress but scoff at the idea of him as CINC.
This quote has been on my mind since he said it a couple of weeks
ago:
"I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I
cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must
face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my
congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and
pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let
that happen."
-Ron Paul
|3.4.08 @ 9:51PM|#
I think this is what happens when the votes are not FIXED as
they were everywhere else.. Hmm?
I guess Chris was Peed-on alright! Gone to Commie/RINO
heaven.
The rest of the country should smarten up and be like District
14.
Fluffy|3.4.08 @ 9:52PM|#
McCain appears to be blinking an SOS during his speech.
Wait, let me check my Morse Code here...
I...A...M...A...C...R...A...Z...Y...C...O...O...T...
Hey, John, you don't have to say that about yourself.
|3.4.08 @ 9:54PM|#
If Mccain becomes unelectable in the next few months due to a
serious health issue, can someone tell me what happens then? Does
Huckabee get the nod by default?
Sorry, this came to mind after someone asked about the location of
huckabee's God.
|3.4.08 @ 9:57PM|#
I think Romney has more delegates than Huckabee. And he'd probably be the first choice for Repubs after McCain. McCain could release his delegates for Romney, and he'd get it.
|3.4.08 @ 9:59PM|#
I guess Jesus must have had some high school sports games to
go fix tonight, instead of these primaries.
That's funny.
RE: Hillary and Ohio...I suspect the similarities between western
PA and OH will have her saying more of the same in the next weeks.
God, Oregon might even have a role...what does she say there?
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 10:00PM|#
Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:27pm | #
They say Warner should be a walk. Gilmore is a walking
joke...
ACHEM!
I know who you mean. Just use *first names* around here if you
mean...some OTHER fella.
I of course have no first name. I am the alpha and the omega of
GILMOREness.
In other news, DIE HILLARY DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!!!!
Texas, I leave our fate in your hands.
|3.4.08 @ 10:02PM|#
Getting much closer in Texas now, if Hillary beats Obama there its really going all the way.
Nash|3.4.08 @ 10:05PM|#
"I voted Hildog. It made my nuggets hurt, but I did it for you
guys."
Why would we want people to vote for Hillary? Explain.
|3.4.08 @ 10:06PM|#
Nash, to keep the race going in order to view the train wreck at the convention.
The Indian From the Movie \"De|3.4.08 @ 10:07PM|#
Why would we want people to vote for Hillary?
Explain.
Stupid fucking White Women
|3.4.08 @ 10:08PM|#
The said thing is, Obama won people under the age of 65 in every state. The geezers are keeping this going.
|3.4.08 @ 10:10PM|#
I suspect that in the coming few weeks we will "learn" a great many interesting things about Obama. This is where Clintonian politics becomes very nasty. I believe they have tried to win it outright. They seem to have failed and now all the stops will be pulled. It may be total fabrications, but I think that enough of this country is a bit twitchy about Obama and it won't take much to make him unelectable to the point of withdrawing. That is my prediction for the next 2 months. Hillary will get the nomination by default and deception.
|3.4.08 @ 10:11PM|#
Brotherben is right on. Thats how I'm looking at things,
too.
Expect a lot of nasty Clintonian negative ads/swift boating/super
delegate arm-twisting.
|3.4.08 @ 10:11PM|#
The said thing is, Obama won people under the age of 65 in
every state. The geezers are keeping this going.
So the greatest entitlement generation is at work on our future
again.
|3.4.08 @ 10:13PM|#
What do old people care about what happens in the future? When
the shit really hits the fan, they'll be dead.
Plus everyone over 65 is racist.
|3.4.08 @ 10:13PM|#
a) Keeping the Dem race a damn-near tie might result in the Dem
convention making Chicago '68 look like a lovefest. This would help
Republicans (this makes the questionable assumption that the Reps
are better for us than the Dems).
b) Hillary is a vicious knife-fighting streetbrawler of a
politician. She will go negative on Obama in a way that McCain
never would.
c) Obama is the most terrifying of politicians for libertarians:
the charismatic idealist.
|3.4.08 @ 10:14PM|#
The polls break church attendance down into
weekly-occasionally-never categories.
Obama won weekly and never, and Hillary won occasionally.
Odd, that.
|3.4.08 @ 10:15PM|#
Joe-
On one end are black evangelicals. On the other are atheists. Obama
wins both of those I bet.
In the middle, its the squishy mainline white protestants and
cafeteria Catholics. Clinton gets those.
|3.4.08 @ 10:21PM|#
Does anyone here think Clinton could beat McCain?
I really don't think she could.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 10:22PM|#
Al Federber | March 4, 2008, 10:18pm | #
Does anyone here think Clinton could beat McCain?
Please dont say this. Please. I cant take another 9 months of
hearing her voice. Much less...uhhhhhhhh years
|3.4.08 @ 10:23PM|#
Apropos of very little, I thought I'd post this quote from my
distant relative, Will Rogers, which was up on my iGoogle homepage
today.
This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.
Nash|3.4.08 @ 10:23PM|#
Kap,
Yeah I guess I'm not as horrified by Obama as you are and I fear
McCain probably more than anyone.
My primary reason for not wanting McCain elected President aside
from the 100 years war he has planned is that not only isn't he
conservative, but he's not even a democrat.
That means no conservative/Republican challengers in congress, nor
for the White House, for another 2 terms. If McCain picks up the
nod they all rally behind him and it's another 8 years of Bush. If
a Democrat gets in there at least congress will oppose them out of
spite.
It's a lose/lose but as entertaining as watching Hillary claw her
way to the nomination might be the thought of McCain representing
"conservatives" for 8 years is even more depressing.
|3.4.08 @ 10:23PM|#
She could, this year only. It's a bad, bad year to run as a
Republican.
I'd put the odds at about 50/50, maybe 52-48 in McCain's favor.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 10:24PM|#
Does anyone here think Clinton could beat McCain?
I think it's pretty unlikely. If a Democrat can lose in what looks
to be the 2008 climate, it's Clinton and if a Republican can win in
that climate, it's McCain.
|3.4.08 @ 10:26PM|#
What does everybody think of the rumors Eric Garris is spreading that Ron Paul and Bob Barr are going to run as a team as independent's this Fall? I think Paul's sycophants need to leave him and let him stay a Republican. He has more influence in the GOP then he will ever have as some independent
|3.4.08 @ 10:26PM|#
Gilmore -
I know what you mean about Hillary's voice. I received a Clinton
campaign robo-call during the CA primary -- Hillary's recorded
voice, coming out of my own personal telephone! I couldn't hang up
fast enough. It was an awful three seconds.
|3.4.08 @ 10:27PM|#
I think it's pretty unlikely. If a Democrat can lose in what
looks to be the 2008 climate, it's Clinton and if a Republican can
win in that climate, it's McCain.
It's worst case or best case scenario, depending on who you
like.
And if you don't like either of them, it's like every other
presidential election.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 10:29PM|#
Adamness | March 4, 2008, 10:24pm | #
Obama's lead keeps shrinking at every update in Texas.
It's only at 17% and a number of bigger primary districts hand
count their ballots. He should crush her in the caucuses. I hope
for a clean win in texas. I hate the ohio results so far. Way
bigger spread than i'd expected. Apparently many polls closed due
to weather. And HILARY is moaning about 'unfair' processes in TX.
Arggg. Die!
|3.4.08 @ 10:29PM|#
I think it's pretty unlikely. If a Democrat can lose in what
looks to be the 2008 climate, it's Clinton and if a Republican can
win in that climate, it's McCain.
Aren;t these the kind of election years that make the vice
president's nomination meaningful?
|3.4.08 @ 10:31PM|#
I've been a libertarian since about 1973, so I should be very used to disappointment at election time. But this time it really hurts for some reason.
Mr. Chartreuse|3.4.08 @ 10:31PM|#
What's the margin of error for exit polls? I ask, because
looking at the Texas exit poll I see:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#TXDEM
Vote By Gender:
Male 43% Clinton 46% Obama 52%
Female 57% Clinton 53% Obama 46%
If this is accurate enough, wouldn't that mean she is going to win
the Texas primary?
|3.4.08 @ 10:32PM|#
Aren;t these the kind of election years that make the vice
president's nomination meaningful?
Are you implying that John McCain could drop dead at any given
moment?
|3.4.08 @ 10:32PM|#
If this is accurate enough, wouldn't that mean she is going to win the Texas primary?
Yes thats why I just called it.
|3.4.08 @ 10:33PM|#
Apparently many polls closed due to weather.
I can testify that the weather is beyond awful in Ohio. My fucking
coat froze on the walk home.
|3.4.08 @ 10:33PM|#
If this is accurate enough, wouldn't that mean she is going
to win the Texas primary?
There's a huge tranny population in Texas.
It's a true fact.
|3.4.08 @ 10:34PM|#
Andrew,
Paul has just clinched his Congressional seat. He's got nothing to
lose. He doesn't need the Republicans any more. What can they do to
him?
He should buck the GOP and just run with Barr 3rd party for
President. Love to see him crush McCain-bama.
|3.4.08 @ 10:36PM|#
Are you implying that John McCain could drop dead at any
given moment?
Nah. Just that the selection of a VP candidate might have influence
only in close general races with two candidates who have lots of
haters...in addition to the scenario you describe :)
Mr. Chartreuse|3.4.08 @ 10:38PM|#
Yes thats why I just called it.
At least I wasn't too far behind the news cycle.
|3.4.08 @ 10:39PM|#
Warty I think he would write like this. Lets of short sentences.
Nothing with commas. No very long words.
Hi I'm Warty. I think they should disband the military. Then we
could surrender to Islamofascism. This is why I support Barack
Hussein.
Smokey|3.4.08 @ 10:39PM|#
Adamness, how huge are the trannies? 10 inches?
A tranny is a redneck camaro
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 10:39PM|#
out of curiosity, what sources are people referring to for live
updates of primary results?
I've noticed that the Times, at 19%, shows Obama up by 53%/45% in
TX primary...while CNN on the TV shows them 49%/49% at the
same.
Curious why the difference...
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 10:42PM|#
excuse me - i take that back. The Times results just on their front page dont update as fast. Their 'full coverage' shows the same.
Ernest Hemingway|3.4.08 @ 10:42PM|#
Dondero is stealing my lean, muscular prose, and staring at my tight, muscular buttocks.
Dwayne Mayor|3.4.08 @ 10:44PM|#
Obama should just drop out now and concede. The Negro never had a chance in this country. And never will.
Andrew Revard|3.4.08 @ 10:44PM|#
Bleh, this is the worst field of candidates I have had to choose from since 1932. Anyways, I guess it is time to begrudgingly support McCain. I would be excited if he picked Palin as his running mate, but I doubt he will.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 10:46PM|#
One thing to consider is Cuyahoga county (aka Cleveland) is
still only reporting 3% of results.
Same for Cinci. Nearly 0 reporting.
These could make up a large chunk of that current big spread.
She'll still win i think, but not by the horrible current
margin.
Texas i think is still 'bama, once the caucuses are decided. Prolly
not till past midnight.
Dwayne Mayor|3.4.08 @ 10:50PM|#
One can only hope, Mr. Gilmore. But I have no faith in this country right now. I'd like to believe that you can't keep a good man down, but the Clinton machine and an ignorant, uneducated electorate may prove otherwise.
|3.4.08 @ 10:50PM|#
Dwayne, I don't know whether or not to ignore you, or tell you
to go fellate yourself.
I think I will ignore you.
|3.4.08 @ 10:52PM|#
Ah, crap, I'm still too sick to stay up late for results, and
we're not going to know squat for at least an hour.
Night folks.
|3.4.08 @ 10:52PM|#
Does anyone here think Clinton could beat McCain?
I think she could - if she had Obama on her ticket as VP. No way
could she be stopped then.
|3.4.08 @ 10:53PM|#
Reinmoose, the Clintons were declared politically finished in
1992 (Jeinnifer Flowers), 1993 (Healthcare debacle+Whitewater, 1994
(Republican Revolution), 1998 (Monicagate/Impeachment) 2000 (when
it seemed Rudy would beat Hillary), and two times in 2008 (between
Iowa and New Hampshire and between South Carolina and
tonight).
But they always rise. I'm resigned to the fact they never, ever
die.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 10:57PM|#
one thing to take small comfort in is that Obama's lead will be
slightly increased either way.
One thing to drive you insane is the Hildebeast is the queen of the
undead, and needs to be beheaded and burned, diced and then fed to
pirhanna to even get her to go away for a while
Dwayne Mayor|3.4.08 @ 10:57PM|#
BadMood, I'm only being realistic. All the "hope" in the world won't change the unsavory facts of reality. The Negro never had a chance here in the States, Harvard Law Review, Obama-Coburn, community organizing, state legislator, constitutional law scholar cred notwithstanding.
|3.4.08 @ 10:58PM|#
Cesar, that is exactly what Pat Buchanan and the "Old Right" guys said in 2000. Buchanan's Old Right themes are "compromised" in the GOP, he went over to the Reform Party and wrecked it. Buchanan got less then 500,000 votes nationally. Afterwards, Buchanan re joined the GOP. I think Ron Paul is smart enough to learn from history. Why screw around with a lost cause when you can at least be a cry in the wilderness in one of the two major political parties in the USA.
|3.4.08 @ 10:58PM|#
Cesar -
I know. I don't doubt them, but I always have my hopes.
I also called NH for Hilary, even on the day of the primary when it
looked like Obama would wipe the floor with her.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 10:59PM|#
The Negro never had a chance here in the States
Oh shut up you fucking idiot
fatalism is for the French.
SIV|3.4.08 @ 10:59PM|#
Bleh, this is the worst field of candidates I have had to
choose from since 1932.
I think Andrew wins the "oldest commenter" award.
Tell us some stories about the 20s. I grew up around older people
always talking the depresssion or WWII. Let's here about Flappers
and bathtub gin. Was Harding as bad as they say?
Or was it kinda like clinton in the 1990s?
|3.4.08 @ 10:59PM|#
Which is worse:
Hillary Clinton's grating, scolding voice or John McCain saying "My
Friends" every thirty seconds?
|3.4.08 @ 11:00PM|#
Oh great, now Ali is spoofing me too.
Will you and Dondero just go off together and support your Obama
dude and leave us real anarchists alone.
|3.4.08 @ 11:01PM|#
Which is worse:
Hillary Clinton's grating, scolding voice or John McCain saying "My
Friends" every thirty seconds?
This one's easy. "My Friends," by a mile.
Dwayne Mayor|3.4.08 @ 11:04PM|#
Testy, testy Mr. Gilmore. All your "hope" has gotten your candidate a massive loss in Ohio, a loss in Texas, a substantial loss in Rhode Island and a string of them headed his way in the future. You got your hopes up and no you're mad. Don't shoot the messenger.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 11:06PM|#
I give up
Hilary gets Ohio. Whoopie.
Texas will go Bama. And all will be OK. Well not all. But all wont
be that fucked.
Paging Dr. Maker's Mark... needed in the emergency room...
Stat...
alan|3.4.08 @ 11:07PM|#
So, in the interest of unity:
People who deny global warming are illiterates who molest
children.
lol! The entertainment value you give every day out ways the few
disagreements I have with you by a margin as large as that of Peden
getting creamed by Paul.
As for George Allen of my neighboring state, I recall during that
race seeing him showing off his cowboy
boots while
wearing a cowboy hat and a cute rodeo style shirt with
leather tassels in neat little rows. Man, if you are not a kid
playing Cowboys and Indians, that shit looks sooo phony this side
of the Mississippi. That's not how we play on da East Coast,
biotch.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 11:09PM|#
Dwayne, you dont know testy
Go eat a fucking dick. Texas is Obama. It can be so and will be so.
Your prognostications are bullshit. Ohio was a given. Not the
margin, but a given.
You're just a douche. One look at your blog gives perfect picture
of your troll-like existence. Your "Negro" bullshit flies in the
face of facts. Fuck off to where people care what you think.
Wherever that may be.
|3.4.08 @ 11:10PM|#
What america needs is a pack leader with calm-assertive energy. One that give rules, boundaries and limitations.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 11:10PM|#
Cesar, isn't that kind of difficult to manage. Don't they only
permaban for impersonating a moderator?
Which I suppose he will be doing in ... 3 ... 2 ...
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 11:11PM|#
brothercesar | March 4, 2008, 11:10pm | #
What america needs is a pack leader with calm-assertive
energy
I dont know why, but the first person who came to mind was Marv
Albert.
You know, the toupee wearing assbiter who calls games for the
Knicks
Andrew Revard|3.4.08 @ 11:13PM|#
I was not old enough to vote for Harding, but I remember the scandals and the affairs. However, unlike Clinton, Harding was not a dunce when it came to his policy (NAFTA excluded). What frightens me, is the talk about new tariffs to "protect" our economy. I remember Smoot-Hawley and how damaging it was, and it frightens me America has not learned its lesson.
Dwayne Mayor|3.4.08 @ 11:19PM|#
In the face of facts you say? The facts are that Obama has had to defend his middle, had had to defend Farrakhan's unsolicited admiration, had had to defend his religion, has had to defend a his choice to wear or not wear a flag pin, defend his purchase a small plot a of land from Rezko's wife, defend his oratorical talent, defend his wife's esteem of his campaign, defend against charges of NAFTA flip-flopping even AFTER the Canadian government apologized for misrepresenting his words. If you're not getting the picture what this bullshit is all about, I don't know what tell you, Mr. Gilmore.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 11:19PM|#
Andrew Revard | March 4, 2008, 11:13pm | #
??
Does that make you the oldest man on earth... who also posts on
blogs?
Dwayne Mayor|3.4.08 @ 11:21PM|#
In the face of facts you say? The facts are that Obama has had to defend his middle name, Farrakhan's unsolicited admiration, his religion, his choice to wear or not wear a flag pin, his purchase a small plot of adjacent land from Rezko's wife, defend his oratorical talent, defend his wife's esteem of his campaign, defend against charges of NAFTA flip-flopping even AFTER the Canadian government apologized for misrepresenting his words. If you're not getting the picture what this bullshit is all about, I don't know what tell you, Mr. Gilmore.
Andrew Revard|3.4.08 @ 11:22PM|#
I was born on 12 August 1911. I am not sure if I am the oldest, but I am damn close. After all of my years, I have money to spend and time to waste. I may as well go out fighting.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 11:24PM|#
Andrew Revard | March 4, 2008, 11:22pm | #
I was born on 12 August 1911. I am not sure if I am the oldest, but
I am damn close. After all of my years, I have money to spend and
time to waste.
Gosh darn.
God bless you sir. Enjoy every minute! Leave the kids NOTHING! :)
(kidding...although thats what I'd do!)
|3.4.08 @ 11:24PM|#
I was born on 12 August 1911.
Holy shit. You're the first person I've ever met virtually or
otherwise who was born before World War I.
Andrew Revard|3.4.08 @ 11:25PM|#
I am going to spend it all. If Obama or Clinton win (which appears likely), they will take half of it when I inevitably kick it. I'll be damned if I let them take half of my estate.
Dwayne Mayor|3.4.08 @ 11:26PM|#
Me jerking off really won't change the fact that BO is down in Texas with over 40% reporting. Keep wishing upon a star, Mr. Gilmore, and maybe your utopian fantasies (eg. a Negro president in America) will come true.
|3.4.08 @ 11:27PM|#
Who on earth still uses the term "Negro"? Its not even that
offensive, its just really really
REALLY old-timey.
I'm surprised you didn't just call him a "Mulatto" or
"Quadroon".
|3.4.08 @ 11:29PM|#
WTF is with all the candidates talking about how poor people keep sending them money? That's not something to brag about, it's something you should ashamed of for not returning.
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 11:29PM|#
your insightful analysis dwayne ignores that either way, Obama
still has more delegates at the end of the day
and that you're a pathetic troll
John|3.4.08 @ 11:30PM|#
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/county/#TXDEMMAPprimary
http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/mar04_136_county23.htm
Two sources have Chris Dodd, a candidate who's been out of the race
for two months winning Brooks County. How did THAT happen?
Dwayne Mayor|3.4.08 @ 11:30PM|#
Vote for McCain, Mr. Revard. You're too old to have to worry about conscription for the next overseas adventure in imperialism. Better to hoard what you've got for yourself as you'll have precious little time to spend it before you kick the bucket.
Vermont Gun Owner|3.4.08 @ 11:31PM|#
Holy shit. You're the first person I've ever met virtually
or otherwise who was born before World War I.
Cesar, that seems unlikely. My grandfather wasn't born that long
after WWI, and this is the first presidential election I'm old
enough to vote in (granted, he did have my dad when he was 40, but
still...)
Nash|3.4.08 @ 11:32PM|#
"Cesar, isn't that kind of difficult to manage. Don't they only
permaban for impersonating a moderator?"
Do they even temp-ban? Is this place even moderated? I thought this
was thunderdome.
SIV|3.4.08 @ 11:32PM|#
Mr Revard,
That is wild.I'd like to ask where did you grow up? What was your
first and second and third cars? When did you first have a
radio?
Meet any famous people ? brushes with history?
Sorry but i find that sort of stuff fascinating.
Think we are going down the tubes or are you optimistic?
|3.4.08 @ 11:32PM|#
Nash-
You can get banned for being EXTREMELY extremely unrepentantly
offensive--or impersonating a moderator.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 11:34PM|#
Who run Bartertown?
Master Blaster runs Bartertown!
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.4.08 @ 11:35PM|#
or impersonating a moderator.
Which here I think means impersonating one of the journalists,
correct?
Andrew Revard|3.4.08 @ 11:36PM|#
You stupid punk, do not tell me what to do. Before you were born
I was busy supporting the likes of Robert A. Taft and Barry
Goldwater. I remember when William F. Buckley (RIP) founded the
National Review. Do not preach to me about imperialism; hell, I was
alive when colonialism was still the world order.
As for all of those other questions...heck no, I ain't answering
them. I will tell you I am optimistic about the future. People like
to assail about the problems we face and how we are going down the
"crapper," but we change one set of problems for another.
Dwayne Mayor|3.4.08 @ 11:38PM|#
Mr. Gilmore, he'll have more at the end of today. But in case you haven't noticed, now that the Negro is a real threat, he has been hacked down to size over the past week and momentum is now clearly in Clinton's favor with today's route. The Supers will be leaping in her corner over the course of the next month. Senator Obama will lose the nomination and be a blip in the nation's political history as what coulda, shoulda, woulda been but wasn't, and we will all reminiscence on what we ought to have done when McCain is marching us into WWIII. America deserves what its gonna get, and I think McCain is the most qualified to deliver good and hard.
|3.4.08 @ 11:42PM|#
Damned funny that when I click on Andrew Revard it takes me up to the top of the thread where Thoreau's comment is posted. And both names are the same changed-color font. Geez, Doc, I thought I was oldest old geezer here. :-)
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 11:43PM|#
Cesar | March 4, 2008, 11:32pm | #
Nash-
You can get banned for being EXTREMELY extremely unrepentantly
offensive
No, i'm proof of that.
sheer vulgarity is nothing. We're libertarians, remember?
Oh right... and triple Fuck You dwayne. Go back to Kos and have a
group cry of despair
GILMORE|3.4.08 @ 11:46PM|#
i love the nonagenarian (?) calling dwayne a 'stupid punk'...
ahh, that made my evening.
All is well in the world.
Dwayne Mayor|3.4.08 @ 11:53PM|#
She's well ahead now Mr. Gilmore, with 52% reporting. What were saying about my "bullshit" prognostications again. This will be spun as a massive comeback and we will back the lowest common denominator as always. Why should this election be any different?
Dwayne Mayor|3.4.08 @ 11:54PM|#
That is, What were you saying about my "bullshit" prognostications again?
Dwayne Mayor|3.4.08 @ 11:55PM|#
And, Tess? He won't do shit in office and has accomplished nothing in 10 terms. Statism marches forward without missing a beat. He adds no value.
SIV|3.4.08 @ 11:56PM|#
Sorry for the stupid questions.I was alive (barely) during the
Goldwater Campaign and election. both my parents voted for him( he
kissed my older sister at a rally).He won the State- South
Carolina.
Amazing to think Mr Revard was alive band an adult when you could
smoke weed legally and buy a machine gun from the Sears Roebuck
catalogue.
We have certainly lost a lot of property rights since then.
not so fast|3.4.08 @ 11:56PM|#
Hate to throw water on this little love-fest for the old guy,
but I'm calling bullshit.
There's
this:
Andrew Revard | February 21, 2008, 8:31pm | #
"Innovation nation?" Is Kanye West writing for MC Hillary Clinton?
Or this
thread where Mr. Revard comments:
Andrew Revard | January 24, 2008, 10:56pm | #
I would vote for anyone who nominated Sarah Palin as vp gets my vote. Have you guys seen how incredibly hot she is? Allow me to devolve here for a minute: *pants* *howls*
Andrew Revard | January 24, 2008, 10:06pm | #
I wish Paul would have hammered McCain or Huckabee on Iraq.
Well, yes, supporting Paul is not necessarily a young man's game,
unless your name happens to be Andrew
Revard, apparently. Coincidence? I think not.
Dwayne Mayor|3.5.08 @ 12:01AM|#
not so fast, I knew he was gaming the fools the whole time, hence my 11:30pm post. Thanks for the expose though. The Paultards fall for every sham artist selling paleocon wares, so this blatant gullibility is quite in character for them.
not so fast|3.5.08 @ 12:03AM|#
Andrew Revard | February 21, 2008, 8:53pm | #
Hillary Clinton must not know that popping your collar is no longer cool.
96 year-old my arse.
Nephilium|3.5.08 @ 12:03AM|#
Adamness:
It looks like Kucinich won the primary... at least according to
what I could find...
*insert long string of vulgarities here*
I'm half tempted to run outside and start yelling at these
idiots... at least then I could find out who some of them are
before I'm arrested...
Nephilium
|3.5.08 @ 12:04AM|#
It takes a special kind of loser to do oppo-research on an possibly fake old commenter on a blog.
Bingo|3.5.08 @ 12:05AM|#
Adamness: DONT MAKE ME GOOGLE YOU, I HAVE A KEYBOARD AND I KNOW HOW TO USE IT!
GILMORE|3.5.08 @ 12:06AM|#
having public discussions with yourself is a sign of a lonely
man, Dwayne
whether he's 98 or not, you're still a dumb punk
Ali|3.5.08 @ 12:08AM|#
Given these results, we're going to see her broad pretty smile on TV for like the next 6-8 weeks until PA. I always wanted to shut the damn thing off anyhow. Now I have a good reason.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|3.5.08 @ 12:08AM|#
Bingo - still googling with a keyboard? Don't you have a temple-mounted datajack yet?
Dwayne Mayor|3.5.08 @ 12:10AM|#
And lily-white, with innumerable negatives, Senator Clinton continues to pull ahead of young, charismatic senator with 57% reporting, Mr. Gilmore. You'll understand why soon enough.
Dedalus|3.5.08 @ 12:11AM|#
Thus ends the chapter. History as a giant conglomeration of what was. Never written by what could have been. What is forgotten has never happened.
Dwayne Mayor|3.5.08 @ 12:17AM|#
A wise sentiment, Dedalus. Very wise, indeed. It was good to hope for awhile though for different kind of politics, that would be concerned more with building up our civilization than sheer self-aggrandizement, but alas, its back to business as usual. Game over.
Dedalus|3.5.08 @ 12:23AM|#
To Dwayne Mayor:
Cheers, mate.
Yes, back to our regular programing, the decline previously in
progress.
SIV|3.5.08 @ 12:50AM|#
I was hoping for stories about giving JP Morgan stock tips as a shoeshine boy or running numbers for Meyer Lansky. Learning to drive on a Mercer Raceabout and picking up a slightly used Cord or Auburn Speedster after the Crash for $400. Listening to the crystal set before the family got a tube model and the first sip of bathtub gin at a Duke Ellington show over in Darktown.
|3.5.08 @ 1:00AM|#
CBS News estimates that Clinton will win the Texas Primary popular vote. In addition there has been talk about her campaign legaly disputing the caucus results. The Bitch Is Back!
MK2|3.5.08 @ 1:08AM|#
Ron Paul looks like that character in Texas Chainsaw Masacre--the old guy who needs to suck blood to get it up. Yuk!
The Wine Commonsewer|3.5.08 @ 1:22AM|#
Hey Doc! Why does it burn when I pee?
Okay, Don Deroooo, that was good. I hate admitting it, but I did
LOL.
Now, bite me.
robc|3.5.08 @ 8:16AM|#
Which county was Pedan's home county? I cant figure it out by looking at the results.
robc|3.5.08 @ 8:17AM|#
Nevermind, I see it is Galveston up above, Paul didnt quite double him up there.
|3.5.08 @ 8:25AM|#
It looks like this will net out to Hillary gaining 1-3 net
elected delegates, after going in 157 behind. The race is
infinitesimally closer than it was 24 hours ago, but we're
significantly farther down the track.
After Super Tuesday, the CW was "the table is set for Obama to have
a string of wins, but then on March 4, Hillary is favored in Texas
and Ohio, both of which have a lot of delegates." Which is exactly
what happened.
In hindsight, Obama made a strategic error. He tried to score a
knockout by taking Texas and Ohio, which were always heavily
favored for Hillary, and in doing so, got away from the message
that put him in the lead - an optimistic, national message - and
adopted a more gloomy one that he thought would deliver Ohio. In
doing so, he failed to differentiate himself from Hillary. He went
into a prevent defense, and it worked as well as it always does
against someone bulling the ball forward on the ground.
robc|3.5.08 @ 9:08AM|#
joe,
The issue isnt the actual delegate count, it is the message to the
superdelegates. If Obama is pulling away heading into convention,
then they are "forced" to vote for him. If Clinton is gaining, then
they are "open" to vote for whoever they want, which means the
Clinton Machine gets to kick into gear.
|3.5.08 @ 9:08AM|#
And so the circus moves on to Pennsylvania.
All libertarians in the keystone state need to show them a warm
welcome.
|3.5.08 @ 9:24AM|#
'Its weird that New England split between Obama and Clinton.
I've never been to New England (except the New York suburbs of
Connecticut) but I always thought it was a really, really
ultra-liberal place that would love Obama.'
Fairfield County, the part I'd imagine you were in, has a
Republican Congressman and many of the towns have Republican First
Selectman. There's a Republican as Governor and the GOP does have a
respectful showing in the General Assembly. You have to remember
McCain won Connecticut the last time he ran for Pres. New England
is a weird mixture.
|3.5.08 @ 9:34AM|#
ABC,
Party liberals are for the machine (Clinton), independents and feel
good liberals are for the candidate (Obama).
|3.5.08 @ 9:42AM|#
robc,
The conventional wisdom seems to be coalescing around 100 delegates
as a magic number.
If one of the candidates has a 100 delegate lead, the
Superdelegates will have to go with that candidate, but if it's
closer than that, it will be wide open at the convention.
|3.5.08 @ 9:56AM|#
I did some back-of-the-envelope calculations.
IF Obama goes into the convention with a 100 delegate lead,
and
IF 550 of the 800 superdelegates are already backing a candite (the
NYT estimates that 440 have already signed onto one candidate),
and
IF those 110 additional superdelegates split the way the 440 have
split,
THEN the remaining superdelegates will have to break 2:1 for
Hillary, a candidate heading into the convention 100 delegates
behind, who polls worse against McCain.
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