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Democratic Debate Thread: The Affray in Austin
Another Democratic debate kicks off at 8 p.m. on the newfangled Cable News Network. Expect Hillary Clinton to hit Obama on experience, Obama to promise change, and... well, for basically every argument to echo the arguments of 9 months ago, but do so with meaner adjectives. Drink when you hear the words "Rezko," "ready," "lifted," (the soft version of "plagiarized") and "John Edwards" and you'll black out at 8:43 or so.
Thread away here.
|2.21.08 @ 6:36PM|#
Hillary needs John Kerry-scale debate performance, and while
she's good, she's not that good.
And Lord knows, Barack Obama is no George Dubya Bush.
|2.21.08 @ 6:42PM|#
Son of a bitch, a porn site bought
"www.youforgotpoland.com"
That site used to have the funniest mashup video.
|2.21.08 @ 7:00PM|#
Hillary needs John Kerry-scale debate performance, and while
she's good, she's not that good.
And Lord knows, Barack Obama is no George Dubya Bush.
He was good at debating? I was still in high school during the last
presidential primaries, so didn't have a real reason to pay
attention.
MK2|2.21.08 @ 7:02PM|#
One of them will steal Ron Paul's thunder and bring up the gold standard. Trottted out by somebody who doesn't look like a goofy old coot with a swastika tattoed on his butt, the issue might catch on.
|2.21.08 @ 7:05PM|#
JH,
Even Bush's post-debate spinners were forced to acknowledge that
Kerry won all three debates, and had to try to minimize their
importance.
I've never seen anything like it. It was like the panzers vs. the
cavalry.
|2.21.08 @ 7:15PM|#
JH,
Even Bush's post-debate spinners were forced to acknowledge that
Kerry won all three debates, and had to try to minimize their
importance.
I've never seen anything like it. It was like the panzers vs. the
cavalry.
I actually think I remember seeing a photoshopped picture of Kerry
with a dunce cap with a caption like "Just because I know more
worthless trivia than Bush while debating means I should be
president" or something just as badly wordy/sour grapes.
|2.21.08 @ 7:17PM|#
Danny|2.21.08 @ 7:26PM|#
Perhaps you should go back to high school and learn how to close
a tag.
Amateur. ;-)
|2.21.08 @ 7:35PM|#
Off topic, but this is tyhe closest thing to an open thread
today. At least until the debate starts.
Here is some important news. I'm a bit surprised it hasn't come
up today. I wish I still had need to know access. Aegis was my baby
back in the day. Obviously, huge advances are still being made in
AAW. The Navy can and does keep capabilities and
limitations secrets from the public, so I have to speculate on how
far the state of the art has gone in the last 14 years.
Damn, 14 years is a long time. This is the first time I really
missed the Navy since I retired.
I'll shut up now.
Eddy|2.21.08 @ 7:43PM|#
mmm... baby backs! Thanks J sub... Now I know what I'm doing this weekend. :-)
violent_k|2.21.08 @ 8:11PM|#
The mortgage doubled in two weeks? I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on that.
|2.21.08 @ 8:14PM|#
Even Bush's post-debate spinners were forced to acknowledge
that Kerry won all three debates, and had to try to minimize their
importance.
Kerry won the first debate the second was a tie and Bush won the
third.
As a Democrat partisan I expect you not to see that.
After Bush won the election it is pretty clear that the rest of the
county saw it differently then you did.
|2.21.08 @ 8:15PM|#
Here is some
video of that missile shoot I brought up.
I know I'm a nerd, but is that cool or what?
Click \'n\' Learn|2.21.08 @ 8:18PM|#
I thought the previous ones were bad*, but this is even worse:
one of the questioners is Jorge Ramos, an
admitted CulturalSeparatist who - despite living here for over a
decade - refuses to become a citizen of the U.S.
Yes, that's right: a Mexican citizen is one of CNN's
questioners. Let me know when CNN mentions that minor
fact.
* Examples of how bad CNN is:
youtube.com/watch?v=nIbDAVQMKGM
youtube.com/watch?v=wm0uWz2BS9M
youtube.com/watch?v=TpqKogu9bzA
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 8:18PM|#
I would love to see a candidate not just go "I'm going to work
to ease the embargo" but really let it hang all out there and "I
will institute a free trade agreement with Cuba, and unilaterally
if I have to."
If the Geordi-esque reversal in political polarity instigated by
this move could be harnessed, we would be energy independent.
|2.21.08 @ 8:23PM|#
Kerry won the first debate the second was a tie and Bush won
the third.
HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA
HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HA...
Ladies and Gentlemen, joshua corning. The guy who keeps calling me
a partisan.
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 8:24PM|#
Damn, Obama wanted to give a specific example of local suffering - which would be a cinch in rust belt Ohio - but obviously could not think of a good example in Texas
Andrew Revard|2.21.08 @ 8:25PM|#
I also wondered why she looks like a linebacker? Anyways, I am not a supporter of Bush, but his foreign policy has not been a complete failure like Clinton portrayed it. He has strengthened our ties with India, and he has engaged North Korea with at least a modicum of success. Of course, all of that is mitigated by Iraq, but he has done some good in foreign policy.
Tommy|2.21.08 @ 8:26PM|#
Oh good. Two lawyers discussing economic policy. That always works out well.
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 8:26PM|#
Mr Revard, you somewhat have a point, but it's still kinda of like the 'other than that, how'd like the play, Mary Todd.'
|2.21.08 @ 8:27PM|#
Barack Obama thinks he's so friggin' slick and masterly that
he'd be able to talk the Cubans, Iranians, and North Koreans into
doing what he wants. Or, at least, he used to. He seems to be
backpedaling a bit.
But why shouldn't he? That guy has been talking people into things
his entire life, and he is masterful at it. He talked the Chicago
Police into supporting his bill requiring them to videotape the
interrogations and confessions of murder suspects. Not that they're
Kim Jong-Il, but still, that's pretty slick.
Andrew Revard|2.21.08 @ 8:27PM|#
Obama/Clinton: "free trade is a bad idea. We want our resources being used to manufacture socks and sneakers." Uhhhh, no!
|2.21.08 @ 8:28PM|#
This is boring.
Obama: call Hillary a corrupt bitch.
Hillary: Call Obama a stupid newb who sleeps with slumlords.
Go!
Trade Time Out!|2.21.08 @ 8:28PM|#
China! You're going to Trade Time Out until you cut out the toxic choo-choos!
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 8:29PM|#
Um, at best they may be 'houseless,' or at least 'real-estate
asset deprived'
But the war on science crack was pretty good.
Lev Strauss|2.21.08 @ 8:29PM|#
If Hillary gets real desperate do you think she pursues
this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY
Somebody get that man a polygraph.
|2.21.08 @ 8:30PM|#
Andrew Revard,
Bush's Africa policy has been better than Clinton's, and his and
Rice's diplomacy was well done during the anti-Syrian uprisings in
Lebanon.
But who cares? Iraq War.
I wonder if he would have been good at that "humble foreign policy"
strategy.
|2.21.08 @ 8:31PM|#
Ladies and Gentlemen, joshua corning. The guy who keeps
calling me a partisan.
I voted for Badnarik Joe...you voted for Kerry.
And yes every partisan Democrat says just like you that Kerry won
all 3 debates.
That does not change the result of the 2004 election after nearly
the whole fucking county watched those three debates and choose the
guy who you think lost.
Maybe in your fucked up head you can blame it on Nader or Ohio.
Trevor|2.21.08 @ 8:32PM|#
Hillary Clinton will raid your home if you don't practice proper American values.
Richard Lorenc|2.21.08 @ 8:32PM|#
I *love* how John King keeps using the word "manage" when it comes to the economy. "How will you, as president, manage the economy." Color me barfalicious.
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 8:32PM|#
You know if I was living the SW, I kinda like the shadows. But I burn pretty easy in the desert sun
|2.21.08 @ 8:33PM|#
I *love* how John King keeps using the word "manage" when it
comes to the economy. "How will you, as president, manage the
economy." Color me barfalicious.
Yeah, that kind of gives me chills. I was just surprised 'tax
break' was in Obama's and Hillary's vocabularies.
Tommy|2.21.08 @ 8:35PM|#
"I *love* how John King keeps using the word "manage" when it
comes to the economy. "How will you, as president, manage the
economy." Color me barfalicious."
It's almost as bad as Clinton talking about "putting people to
work."
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 8:36PM|#
Well, if I had my druthers, we could back to the 1910's Ellis Island model, where the 'backlog' was about 24 hours, plus an occasional quarrantine period, but I don't think that would get votes these days.
Andrew Revard|2.21.08 @ 8:37PM|#
Not only do we have to make sure the US economy is working for the "non-rich," but also we have to make sure the Mexican economy is working for the "non-rich"?
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 8:38PM|#
Hilllary almost was able to use the Molly Ivins/ Ann Richards school of bush bashing with her smart way dumb way comment, but kinda missed the mark rhetorically
|2.21.08 @ 8:39PM|#
Am I the only person who is reminded of that one scene in Congo whenever people bring up "smart fencing"?
Richard Lorenc|2.21.08 @ 8:40PM|#
Wow--Hillary's bringing out the big words: "Eminent
domain."
Too bad it's only going to be used in regard to the fence. (Not
that the Feds can do all that much about the real problem, but
whatevs.)
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 8:41PM|#
Senator Clinton, I can tell you what the locals think about the
border fence right now from 3000 nm away.
The people whom own land where the fence will run though hate the
idea; the people whom own land next to those people love it.
Andrew Revard|2.21.08 @ 8:45PM|#
You want English to be the "official, unifying" language, but not the "official" language, Mrs. Clinton?
Jacob|2.21.08 @ 8:48PM|#
My hat's off to everyone watching the debate tonight. You have greater intestinal fortitude than I.
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 8:49PM|#
You know, AKAIK the Romans never bothered to learn German (but for that matter the Hellenistic parts of the Empire never bothered to learn Latin, and stuck with Greek)
|2.21.08 @ 8:50PM|#
I'd vote for it, Kolohe. At least, compared to today's
system.
A class of people open to persecution by the authorities or their
neighbors at any moment, living in our society, is bad for our
democracy, our society, and our well-being. The Ellis Island model,
at least it didn't have that.
Jacob|2.21.08 @ 8:51PM|#
It's a pity McCain locked up the nomination so soon. I looked
forward to seeing someone advocate automated machine-gun turrets in
an immigration debate.
Paul would respond that the Constitution only allows lynching, of
course.
Andrew Revard|2.21.08 @ 8:53PM|#
Hillary Clinton must not know that popping your collar is no longer cool.
Jacob|2.21.08 @ 8:53PM|#
Addendum: the automated machine gun turrets would be located along the border, of course. My apologies to Mr. Tancredo for leaving out that detail.
|2.21.08 @ 8:55PM|#
What if, after Hillary did her little slam-Obama speech, and
Cambell Brown asked, "Senator Obama, would you like to respond?"
he'd said:
No. No, I wouldn't. Let's move on, Campbell.
|2.21.08 @ 8:56PM|#
Or as Elmer fudd would say, 'the wounded wahweeors of
wahltor weed.'
Or Bawbawa Wahltohs.
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 9:01PM|#
Pretty good Coup Fourré as they say in Milles Bornes by Obama on
the 'plagarism' scandal
But Change you can Xerox I also thought was pretty good, but
apparently didn't get much love
Lev Strauss|2.21.08 @ 9:02PM|#
Hillary's taking risks, she used the term "youtube". That was shaky ground, kind of like Bush and his "internets".
Ali|2.21.08 @ 9:02PM|#
Adamness... I hear you. Just imagine Ron Paul (minus some undesirable letters) but with Obama's eloquence.
|2.21.08 @ 9:02PM|#
Obama shut the lid on the Deval Patrick scandal.
Hillary, trying to bring it back to life, looked quite
unlikable.
Eric Dondero|2.21.08 @ 9:04PM|#
I wish they let Rudy in on this debate; he would wipe the floor with all of these clowns.
|2.21.08 @ 9:04PM|#
That is a very good point, Lev Strauss. I think both of these
people go on the internet.
I don't think George Bush or Dick Cheney ever "went on the
email."
I'll tell you how far Gore was ahead of his time: most lawyers his
age write things on legal pads and make their secretaries type them
up.
Andrew Revard|2.21.08 @ 9:05PM|#
Am I evil if I do not believe everyone is entitled to health-care? Please say no...
|2.21.08 @ 9:06PM|#
Rudolph Guiliani lost debates in Republican Party venues to Ron Paul. Gimme a break.
|2.21.08 @ 9:07PM|#
Andrew,
Am I evil if I do not believe everyone is entitled to
health-care? Please say no...
Did you have anyone particular in mind?
|2.21.08 @ 9:08PM|#
I wish they let Rudy in on this debate; he would wipe the
floor with all of these clowns.
"On 9/11, I saw the importance of having healthcare."
"9/11 showed illegal immigration needs to end."
"If teachers didn't teach to a test, 9/11 wouldn't have happened.
9/11."
"Lobbying reform is 9/11 9/11. 9/11, 9/11, Islamofascism 9/11."
|2.21.08 @ 9:08PM|#
Kim Jong-Il, for example.
If Kim Jong-Il can't afford his heart medication, fine, fuck
'im.
Happy, Andrew?
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 9:12PM|#
You know normally I hate when candidates don't ATFQ, but in this case it's appropriate because that was such a crappy question
|2.21.08 @ 9:13PM|#
I don't think Clinton's interjection helped her.
And Obama's response won't help him.
|2.21.08 @ 9:14PM|#
Agreed, Kolohe. The CNN people have always strived to get Obama and Clinton to get into meaningless fights (what do you say about what he said you said he said?), and Hillary rose above it.
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 9:16PM|#
Jorge is one of the worst questioners I've seen in any of these debates. His desire for the spotlight makes Cooper look like Murrow.
Lev Strauss|2.21.08 @ 9:17PM|#
Talk about an alley oop question from Jorge. If he stays pro Hillary at least there is an interesting subplot.
Andrew Revard|2.21.08 @ 9:19PM|#
Hillary, you were a leader on homeland security? So, you voted to create the DHS, voted for the PATRIOT Act and voted for the War on Iraq? I thought you offered a break from the Bush doctrine?
SIV|2.21.08 @ 9:21PM|#
I'll tell you how far Gore was ahead of his time: most lawyers his
age write things on legal pads and make their secretaries type them
up.
joe
Al might do the same thing if he was some kind of a lawyer or
something. He is an ex-journalist and an ex-elected official.
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 9:23PM|#
Charlie Gibson when he was moderating asked the same question that King just did, but a helluva lot better
|2.21.08 @ 9:24PM|#
That's right, Gore didn't go to law school. Clinton went to law school, Hillary went to law school, Gore dropped out of divinity school.
|2.21.08 @ 9:24PM|#
Obama gives good speeches, but his debating is terrible. He sounded very out of his element on the C&C issue.
Andrew Revard|2.21.08 @ 9:24PM|#
Obama should pull a Price is Right strategy, and promise to begin to bring troops home in 59 days.
|2.21.08 @ 9:25PM|#
How many of the 'A person in town X told me blahblah" anecdotes do you think are true?
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 9:27PM|#
Obama, the last thing Central and South America need is more direct aid from the US. We've been playing that versions of that game since Monroe, and only really started to do good in the 90's where we pretty much left everyone alone and just traded with them
Lev Strauss|2.21.08 @ 9:27PM|#
Foreign Aid. Chavez hates us because we don't give him enough money? I hope that was just words. That is what makes Obama so dangerous.
|2.21.08 @ 9:28PM|#
How many of the 'A person in town X told me blahblah"
anecdotes do you think are true?
A young mother in Idaho told me that, uhhhhh, the personal
anecdotes help her, ehhhh, connect with the candidates and see
their, uh, their human side.
|2.21.08 @ 9:31PM|#
Nice coal ad.
"Our way of life" is going to change. We're not going to be burning
frickin' rocks we dig up by blowing up mountains. Why don't we just
burn horsh
|2.21.08 @ 9:31PM|#
Lev - Obama's point was that Chavez can be the great humanitarian of central/south America because the Unites States isn't. He'd prefer Chavez be marginalized.
Lev Strauss|2.21.08 @ 9:33PM|#
Now that McCain is a perverted old man and all, and corrupt as well, does anybody think their great "friendship" is something more on those trips to Iraq? He could be Vince Foster's substitute.
|2.21.08 @ 9:35PM|#
Obama is easy to listen to, tonally, and easy to look at. Hillary is not. It's not fair or important...it's superficial...just sayin'.
|2.21.08 @ 9:35PM|#
Obama's point was that Chavez can be the great humanitarian
of central/south America because the Unites States isn't. He'd
prefer Chavez be marginalized.
Which is of course why Obama is against all the trade deals with
Central and South America (ok, not Peru, but CAFTA, Columbia, etc.
plus outside the region South Korea), and NAFTA too.
Send them money, but for goodness sake don't buy anything from
them, apparently.
Andrew Revard|2.21.08 @ 9:35PM|#
Should we not let Chavez give aid, and in the process, bankrupt his regime? What we need in Venezuala, is the rise of a Pinochet-esque leader.
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 9:36PM|#
There is definitely federal pork in Arizona, just like there is
pork in the remaining 49 states, D.C, Puerto Rico, Guam, CNMI,
USVI, and CNMI.
It just may not be in the form of earmarks.
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 9:38PM|#
damn that should be american samoa for the 2nd CNMI. But CNMI did get a lot of stuff esp in the Abrmoff era
|2.21.08 @ 9:39PM|#
Obama should pull a Price is Right strategy, and promise to
begin to bring troops home in 59 days.
He should bid $1 for it.
Ali|2.21.08 @ 9:41PM|#
Dude is she going to cry again?!
I really hope not, but it looks like she's on her way.
|2.21.08 @ 9:41PM|#
You gotta love this crowd on the most challenging moment question. "Yeah! Woooh! Hooray! Hillary's husband got blown in the White House! She was humiliated on the national stage!"
Ali|2.21.08 @ 9:43PM|#
They cut her off before she cries, but she seems to insist and keep going.... ah, she did not afterall, oh wait... she's about... not they're done. On another day may be.
Lev Strauss|2.21.08 @ 9:43PM|#
Pork is for amateurs, real politicians write legislation, with the help of corporations, they hold influential positions on commmittees, have deeper contacts, and hide their money a whole lot better than some of those two bit charlatans like Huck and Giuliani. Their friends and families get consulting jobs, they drift off into lobbying or speaking when they are done. They get paid for more than speaking. McCain is an established national figure, not seeking to become one.
|2.21.08 @ 9:44PM|#
This is a damn strong ending for Clinton
Was anyone watching the people meter on that?
|2.21.08 @ 9:44PM|#
Obama would be stronger than HRC on earmarks, because he does
have the Coburn collabaration that made some results.
Clinton just nailed that ending.
HRC stole Paul's line again about borrowing from China to buy oil
from Saudi. Did she plagarize?
|2.21.08 @ 9:45PM|#
Mo
The Democrats responded to her being attacked so much during her
hubs years in office. It did seem a bit much to most non-right wing
partisans...
|2.21.08 @ 9:47PM|#
"Should we not let Chavez give aid, and in the process, bankrupt
his regime? What we need in Venezuala, is the rise of a
Pinochet-esque leader."
Are you sure that it's not Andrew Retard?
You prefer Pinchet to Chavez?
|2.21.08 @ 9:49PM|#
In Venezula you can walk into an opposition party's hq, with a
paper critical of Chavez tucked 'neath your arm and call in to a
talk show in the US to criticize Chavez.
Would you like to have tried that under Pinochet?
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 9:54PM|#
CNN @ 9:00 p.m. EST:
'what are the differences between y'all?'
[almost 1/2 hr of differences, almost exclusively about health
care]
CNN @ 9:52 p.m EST:
'there are no significant differences between these two candidates
health care plana'
Andrew Revard|2.21.08 @ 9:55PM|#
The play on my last name is hackneyed, but good job, anyways. I do prefer a leader in the vain of Pinochet, Salazar, or even Franco. They may have been more authortarian, but the Chilean, Portugeese, and Spanish economic miracles are difficult to ignore.
stephen the goldberger|2.21.08 @ 9:56PM|#
I would have said Obama won until Hillary killed that last
question. You saw the best (last question) and worst (xerox line)
of Hillary tonight. Polls will tell what people remember/care
about.
Unless that last line has serious traction I still say Obama wins
either Ohio, Texas, or both and buries her march 4th.
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 9:56PM|#
CNN @ 9:56 p.m.
'clinton was able to exploit somewhat her differences on health
care'
Kolohe|2.21.08 @ 10:02PM|#
Clinton was winning on points at the beginning until Obama got a
knock down with the plagarism thing. She was then lagging until the
very end, but probably overcame the deficit with her closing
remarks.
It will really help her if they start replaying that ending in this
next news cycle.
|2.21.08 @ 10:04PM|#
Andrew,
Yeah those guys are great, unless you disagree with them. Then it's
off to the death camps. But per capita GDP jumps up 20%, so it's
worth it. Right? Eggs, omelettes and all that.
|2.21.08 @ 10:04PM|#
Cesar and Revard
Venezula has seen years of straight growth lately. And what's this
Spanish and Portugese miracle tied to Franco and Salazar?
But besides that, you would prefer a dictator who allowed no
opposition party or elections and enforced that with killing people
extrajudicially with a man who nationalized some industries and
regulated a few media outlets out of existence? WTF?
|2.21.08 @ 10:12PM|#
Obama is a bit of a Fascist. Endorsed by Daniel Ortega last
week. Pretty scary.
I can't see how any Libertarians could support him and still claim
to be Libertarians.
|2.21.08 @ 10:13PM|#
That last post was not from me of course
I imagine the author would be the dumbass upthread with the "che"
comment.
|2.21.08 @ 10:15PM|#
I have to agree on Obama. As bad as the Hill-thighs is, she's 10
times better than the Malcom X impersonator. He represents pure
evil.
Can't see voting McCain, but I hope the Libertarian Party nominates
someone worth supporting.
|2.21.08 @ 10:17PM|#
I look at it this way: Clinton represents almost no freedom.
She's maybe a 10 or 15 on the freedom scale. Pitiful.
But Obama is near 0. This is a guy who got a 100 score from the
National Journal for being the most Socialist member of the
Senate.
If it's Obama on the Democrat side, I may even vote McCain.
stephen the goldberger|2.21.08 @ 10:22PM|#
Well they seem to have the exact same platform except Obama
doesn't want to fine citizens for not wanting to be a part of his
socialized healthcare plan, but hillary does.
Other things Hillary wants to do:
1. Put a moratorium on house foreclosures for 18 months
2. freeze interest rates for FIVE YEARS
So to claim Obama as being more socialist than her doesn't really
ring true to me.
|2.21.08 @ 10:24PM|#
If the dude spoofing handles had a girlfriend, do you think
she's be proud of him?
Now hold on: think about the kind of girlfriend he'd have.
|2.21.08 @ 11:06PM|#
think about what joe's got and compare it to what i got and then ask yourself: what do you think my girl wants?
Dem|2.21.08 @ 11:28PM|#
Obama is easy to listen to, tonally, and easy to look at.
Hillary is not. It's not fair or important...it's
superficial...just sayin'.
Yeah, she's really hard to look at for right-wing assholes with
little tiny cocks. I mean she's a smart, articulate successful
woman. What a fucking downer.
Eric Dondero|2.21.08 @ 11:29PM|#
Joe I have a very beautiful imaginary girlfriend I'll have you know!
|2.21.08 @ 11:48PM|#
" I mean she's a smart, articulate successful woman."
Riding her husband's coattails and getting a senate seat as a
consolation prize is your idea of success?
-jcr
.|2.22.08 @ 12:08AM|#
Riding her husband's coattails and getting a senate seat as
a consolation prize is your idea of success?
I'm not going to vote for her, and I don't like her, nor am I a
Democrat, but that's not really correct. Had she not married
someone who eventually became a Governor & then President, she
still would have ended up being what most would consider a
successful human being.
Click \'n\' Learn|2.22.08 @ 12:39AM|#
I just uploaded a video about a part of the debate that no one else has picked up on and everyone else - even CNN's critics - will ignore despite it being rather important.
voxpo|2.22.08 @ 1:21AM|#
I found this comment from Clinton interesting:
"I want to stop the health insurance companies from discriminating
against people because they're sick. You know, it's
unconstitutional to discriminate on the basis of race or gender or
ethnic origin or religion, but it's okay to discriminate against
sick people and we're gonna end that, because it's time we said,
'no more.'"
What part of the Constitution is she referring to?
Ian|2.22.08 @ 1:36AM|#
Good point voxpo! I think she was referring to 14th amendment. But its pretty scary if a former lawyer and presidential candidate buys into that interpretation of the amendment. I hope she wouldn't appoint judges who think like that, but she would. Sigh! I'm going to go eat my Entenmmanns before Hillary takes 'em away. (ten points if you can guess what clause of the constitution she'll misinterpret to take 'em away!)
Mad Max|2.22.08 @ 2:01AM|#
"What part of the Constitution is [Hillary] referring to?"
This part:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GhqnUFPKQAc
|2.22.08 @ 2:03AM|#
Why are too many women grabbing Hillary's hands?
To keep from hitting the floor as they swoon over Obama. :P
"Change you can Xerox" vs. "change you can stick a fork in"...
advantage: Xerox.
Ian|2.22.08 @ 2:07AM|#
Yeah, HRC would be successful, but a senator? Its possible, she is a good politician. But she has shamelessly ridden Bill's legacy to the place she is now. And most infuriatingly she denies it vehemently and calls you sexist if you point it out. But most female leaders get there through nepotism. Its a shame that the person who might be the first female president would be an awful president and would have gotten there on the good will built up by her husband.
stuartl|2.22.08 @ 6:45AM|#
In the earmark section of the debate, Hillary referred to the
"...wastefulness of tax cuts..."
Now we know whose money it is.
|2.22.08 @ 8:09AM|#
Dem wrote:
Yeah, she's really hard to look at for right-wing assholes with
little tiny cocks. I mean she's a smart, articulate successful
woman.
I can see why you appreciate her being articulate...
|2.22.08 @ 8:56AM|#
H Clinton is not likeable, but who cares because she would likely govern from the center like B Clinton. The fact that she is so disliked by Republicans would probably mean more of the 1990s magic, where a caustic mix of Newt G and Bill Clinton led to improved welfare, a declining national debt and reduced military expenditures. She won't win, though, and either the more charismatic Obama or somewhat more charismatic McCain will win and be able to exert more power over congress.
|2.22.08 @ 9:37AM|#
Venezula has seen years of straight growth
lately.
You can tell by the food shortages.
|2.22.08 @ 11:24AM|#
How many of the 'A person in town X told me blahblah"
anecdotes do you think are true?
Only the first one ever told.
|2.22.08 @ 11:30AM|#
If the dude spoofing handles had a girlfriend, do you think
she's be proud of him?
Now hold on: think about the kind of girlfriend he'd
have.
The retarded 12 year old down the street. Damn you joe for making
me think of that.
alan|2.22.08 @ 1:00PM|#
Welcome to Venezuela, political thug and death squad free since,
oh, never mind . . .
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR53/006/2002
Russ 2000|2.22.08 @ 2:01PM|#
He talked the Chicago Police into supporting his bill
requiring them to videotape the interrogations and confessions of
murder suspects.
The CPD went along with it after Obama conviced them it would
increase the police failure rate which would translate into public
support for more cops and higher salaries. And they were promised
an exemption for being taped in internal questioning about their
own murders.
Russ 2000|2.22.08 @ 2:08PM|#
As a life-long Chicagoan, I see a north-side Democrat and a
south-side Democrat trying to decide something.
We're all fucked.
Groupie|2.22.08 @ 2:10PM|#
That's right, Gore didn't go to law school. Clinton went to
law school, Hillary went to law school, Gore dropped out of
divinity school.
And Obama dropped from heaven!
Russ 2000|2.22.08 @ 2:11PM|#
Obama should pull a Price is Right strategy, and promise to
begin to bring troops home in 59 days.
The actual TPIR strategy is to say "1".
But Ron Paul already used that.
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