Russian Bombers Buzz the Nimitz

Cold War nostalgics and Putin paranoia mongers rejoice! From CNN:

American fighter jets intercepted two Russian bombers, one of which buzzed a U.S. aircraft carrier in the western Pacific on Saturday......

Russia's Defense Ministry said Tuesday that there was no violation of flight regulations during the incident. A ministry official said the flights are standard operating procedure for air force training.

One of them twice flew about 2,000 feet over the deck of the USS Nimitz Saturday......

The Russians and the U.S. carrier did not exchange verbal communications.

Four turboprop Tupolev-95 Bear bombers took off from Ukrainka Air Base, in Russia's Far East, in the middle of the night, Japanese officials told The Associated Press, adding that one of the planes violated Japanese airspace.

Russian bombers have been making flights over the western Pacific for several months

There have been eight incidents off Alaska since July. Among the latest, on September 5, six F-15s from Elmendorf Air Force Base, adjacent to Anchorage, Alaska, intercepted six Russian bombers about 50 miles from the northwest coast of Alaska.

Cathy Young on the complicated Vladimir Putin, back in January 2005 and subscribers should look for her latest feature reporting on Putin in a soon-forthcoming issue of reason.

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  • Abdul||

    Fortunately, Fred Thompson is free to play the admiral in the movie version.

  • The Democratic Republican||

    How is it paranoia if this stuff is actually happening?

  • stoneymonster||

    Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really out to get you.

  • FrBunny||

    Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.

  • FrBunny||

    Cougar was number one, but Cougar lost it. I've got to give you two your dream shot.

    I'm sending you... to Miramar.

    [Kenny Loggins riff]

  • Elemenope||

    LOL at Abdul! You win the thread before it beings.

  • Fred Thompson AS Admiral Paint||

    This business will
    get out of control,
    and we'll be lucky
    to live through it.

  • ||

    It's all BS. America is fine with using Russian cargo planes to help them in Afghan and Iraq. Nothing to see here; Cold war days are dead. All rhetoric relating to such should be filed under 'home market only'.

  • Episiarch||

    The Russians don't take a dump without a plan, son.

    Aren't the Tupelov Bears like...fucking, fucking huge? One of those 2000 feet over your head might be a little freaky.

  • Captain Redundancy||

    soon-forthcoming

    Hi, I think we've met before...

  • drawnasunder||

    "Hell.... We are going to have to fight them sooner or later.... Why not do it now while our Army is intact and we can have their hind end kicked back into Russia in three months? ...just let me handle it down there. In ten days I can have enough incidents happen to have us a war with those sons of bitches and make it look like their fault."

    - George S. Patton

  • ||

    Aren't those Tupolev bombers the ones that make all the crew members deaf?

  • ||

    WHAT?

  • ||

    Perhaps I was too hasty to complain about the extremely high unit cost of the F-22.

  • ||

    It's probably not a big deal, but I did notice that every single copy of "Red Dawn" was snapped up at the local Wal-Mart.

  • ||

    Sorry, but international airspace and all that. I am pleased to note that they were intercepted and not ignored.

    Putin is a dick who's rattling sabers for the home crowd. He's still upset that Russia lost their easter and southern European sattelites.

    Get over it, Vlad, they're gone.

  • ||

    He's still upset that Russia lost their easter

    This year especially!

    • March 23 - Easter Sunday (Western)
    • April 27 - Easter Sunday (Orthodox)

  • ||

    Cathy Young on the complicated Vladimir Putin, back in January 2005 and subscribers should look for her latest feature reporting on Putin in a soon-forthcoming issue of reason.

    Holy crap. You mean she wasn't abducted by aliens. All traces of Ms. Young's existence ceased last summer. Now she reappears as though nothing has happened. Was she sent overseas on a secret mission for the DHS? The whole thing smells fishy. Can you prove the real Cathy Young is ambivalent about Putin and not some space alien inhabiting her internet identity?

  • Taktix®||

    He's still upset that Russia lost their easter and southern European sattelites.

    No more easter in Russia? Think of the children!

  • ||

    I have a feeling the Russians had thier RWR (Radar Warning Recievers) turned off, because many radars had them locked long before they flew over the Nimitz.

  • ||

    You know, for guys like Putin, or, to a greater extent, Castro and Chavez, who need to point to external enemies for domestic reasons but who really don't want conflict, maybe we should have some sort of "understanding". We'll pretend to be upset at all of their bluster, we'll work to stage minor incidents, but in reality, we'll be best buddies.

  • ||

    "Think in Russian."

    /couldn't resist

  • Franklin Harris||

    Fortunately, Fred Thompson is free to play the admiral in the movie version.



    I think that was the Enterprise, not the Nimitz. The Nimitz is the aircraft carrier that sailed through a rip in space-time and then tried to prevent the attack on Pearl Harbour.

  • ||

    You know, for guys like Putin, or, to a greater extent, Castro and Chavez, who need to point to external enemies for domestic reasons but who really don't want conflict, maybe we should have some sort of "understanding". We'll pretend to be upset at all of their bluster, we'll work to stage minor incidents, but in reality, we'll be best buddies.

    Hell, I think you guys may already have such an understanding...

  • Franklin Harris||

    We'll pretend to be upset at all of their bluster, we'll work to stage minor incidents, but in reality, we'll be best buddies.



    Congratulations, I think you've just reinvented the foreign policy of 1984.

  • The Wine Commonsewer||

    All traces of Ms. Young's existence ceased last summer.

    She had a darling little boy.

  • The Wine Commonsewer||

    Patton was right.

  • ||

    Franklin Harris,

    Well, I didn't suggest we do it with everybody. Honestly, given the U.S.'s status in world affairs, perhaps some other country should be paid to serve that role. Like, I don't know, Austria. They're menacing. They had an empire. They've got scary accents. Hitler was an Austrian. Yeah, Austria. For a mere U.S. $100 million/year, the Austrian Empire™ will be the enemy of your people. . .instead of you.

  • ||

    I have a feeling the Russians had thier RWR (Radar Warning Recievers) turned off, because many radars had them locked long before they flew over the Nimitz.

    RWRs or ESM (Electrontinc Support Measures)equipment have no effect on radars, thet just listen and ID the emitter. To mess with a radar you need ECM (Electronic Countermeasures equioment). Using ECM gear is considered very bad form (displaying hostile intent is the term I remember). Tracking the Bears is ano harder than tracking a 747 with it's IFF (Identification Friend or Foe). transponder turned off. They're freakin' HUGE.

  • ||

    They are also museum pieces.

  • Hugo Chavez||

    I was wrong about America. America is Venezuela's friend. Americans buy oil from us and are a valuable trading partner. Hugo was confused. Our enemy is Austria!

  • ||

    All traces of Ms. Young's existence ceased last summer.

    She had a darling little boy.


    Well that would explain it. But how did you hear about him TWC?

  • Other Matt||

    They are also museum pieces.

    It was probably a charter from some Japanese private evangelical school or something.

  • ||

    All traces of Ms. Young's existence ceased last summer.

    She had a darling little boy.


    So her body was taken over by an alien.

    [Dang, what's the French word for thinking of the joke after it's too late?]

  • ||

    "RWRs or ESM (Electrontinc Support Measures)equipment have no effect on radars, thet just listen and ID the emitter."

    That's why I said that they turned them off, because it would be pretty noisy with all the buzzing. I figure that if the bears employed any jamming they would be flaming wreckage.

    /Talk to me Goose.

  • lunchstealer||

    proglib,

    Naw, complain away. The F22 program is flawed from the start, because no effort was made to improve manufacturability or ease-of-maintenance. None of the parts of that plane cost enough to justify the pricetag. It's just that difficult to put the parts together. They fixed that with the JSF program, apparently, which is plenty capable but less than 1/4 the cost. They just need to ditch the F22 program and commission a new air superiority platform with lower cost construction in mind.

  • ||

    That's why I said that they turned them off, because it would be pretty noisy with all the buzzing. I figure that if the bears employed any jamming they would be flaming wreckage.

    I get it. I misinterpreted your meaning.
    What we have here is a failure to communicate.

  • ||

    Okay, then.

    Gosh-darned overpriced aircraft. Can't we fend off the Austrian menace without spending $100-200 million a plane?

  • This here\'s a zoo and the kee||

    I feel sorry for the children of the cold war, conditioned to view the Russkies with the
    same helpless dread that ('round here, anyhow) is traditionally afforded to tornadoes.
    I think it's the hide-under-the-school-desks drills that did it.

  • Kolohe||

    Warty | February 13, 2008, 12:47pm | #

    Aren't those Tupolev bombers the ones that make all the crew members deaf?

    joe | February 13, 2008, 12:51pm | #

    WHAT?


    Proof that joe is actually a commie?

  • ||

    This here's a zoo and the keeper ain't you,

    For me, it was the megatons of fusion-aided death that were pointed at my city that did it. That, and the fact that in Alas, Babylon, Tampa was specifically mentioned as "blow'd up."

    "Say, look at that mushroom cloud. Isn't that Tampa?" Not good for the psyche.

  • Kolohe||

    The Russians don't take a dump without a plan, son.

    Aren't the Tupelov Bears like...fucking, fucking huge? One of those 2000 feet over your head might be a little freaky.


    A CVN crew is sorta used to having loud aircraft flying very close to them, it's kinda their job.

  • KenK||

    "They are also museum pieces."

    Just like US B-52s?

  • Taktix®||

    I have witnessed the horrors of the new Austrian Empire's atrocities firsthand.

    True story.

  • ||

    Aren't the Tupelov Bears like...fucking, fucking huge? One of those 2000 feet over your head might be a little freaky.

    You should see the underside of that goddamn Batarang [B2] from not-too-far-down.
    It's a sight which would most definitely send you scurrying back to your mud hut. Not that you would ever see it, or hear it, if it was coming on business.

  • ||

    Since when is being 2000 ft overhead "buzzing"?

  • ||

    Yeah, there's no way Bears are going to go undetected by a carrier group.

    Funny thing is, those things would have been smoldering wreckage long before they got inside 50 miles even WITHOUT the fighter escort had they done anything remotely hostile. You don't fuck with a carrier group. They know everything you're doing and they will own you.

  • ||

    Warren: Eprit d'escalie, IIRC. The Spirit of The Stairs. Like when you leave ballroom in tears because the Viscount D'Montaign said something nasty about your hair, and then you remember that he is balding under his wig....OOPS too late...

  • ||

    KenK,

    At least BUFFs are continually proving themselves in battle (we can argue whether that is a good thing or not). Fact is, they're spectacularly successful and versatile.

  • ||

    "They are also museum pieces."

    Just like US B-52s?


    Yep.

  • ||

    Pardon my French. The term is Esprit d'escalier.

  • ||

    Taktix®,

    Do tell. I'm thinking about quitting my job and becoming a broker between Austria and nations needing an ersatz enemy.

  • ||

    "..."the wit of the staircase," those biting ripostes that are thought of just seconds too late..."

  • ||

    Pro Libertate, The Mouse That Roared....

  • Kolohe||

  • ||

    Kolohe,

    I think everyone who's discussing it agrees with you.

  • highnumber||

    Is that a reference to Putin-style paranoia, or to people who monge on paranoia about Putin?

  • Kolohe||

    Timon19-
    Dammit I wanted an argument! For a site called reason, you all are being awfully reasonable. :)

  • ||

    I would like to nominate Admiral Roughead for president. He was cautious, prepared, and calm.

  • LarryA||

    One of them twice flew about 2,000 feet over the deck of the USS Nimitz Saturday......

    As I remember, from way long ago, that's far too low to drop anything a Tupelov would carry.

    You don't fuck with a carrier group. They know everything you're doing and they will own you.

    Amen. Admirals don't talk about "my sky" for the fun of it.

    Since when is being 2000 ft overhead "buzzing"?

    Aircraft that size don't intentionally get below 10,000 ft. except to land.

  • ||

    Just like U.S. B-52s

    Hey, their new song is GREAT!

  • ||

    Ron Paul is an agent for the Austrian Empire. You heard it here first.

  • ||

    Dammit I wanted an argument! For a site called reason...


    Drink! :)

    And yeah, nothing's gonna drop much of anything substantial from that altitude unless they want to take some souvenirs of their own doing home with them (unless they use retarded bombs, which MIGHT give them a shot to get out of the frag zone).

  • Taktix®||

    Austrians run the world banks and meet secretly once a year for cheese and mischief.

  • ||

    Look at how Austrian economists seem to be everywhere.

  • ||

    You don't fuck with a carrier group. They know everything you're doing and they will own you.

    Amen. Admirals don't talk about "my sky" for the fun of it.


    Great rejoinder, that just needed repeating.

  • lunchstealer||

    Aircraft that size don't intentionally get below 10,000 ft. except to land.

    Both the Bear and the Buff quickly switched to very low altitude terrain-following flight paths as their primary tactics for infiltrating enemy airspace.

    While hiking along the ridge of Shenandoah Mountain (which rises about 2000ft above the valley below) we got the interesting perspective of looking down at a B-52 rumbling up the valley. Those things are not, by the way, quiet.

  • ||

    Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear, when Bears and Badgers and Backfires (oh my) regularly flew over our carrier groups to test defense response times and just generally mess with us. And we did the same thing to their ships and bases.

    /Do some of that pilot shit, Maverick

  • ||

    I feel sorry for the children of the cold war, conditioned to view the Russkies with the
    same helpless dread that ('round here, anyhow) is traditionally afforded to tornadoes.
    I think it's the hide-under-the-school-desks drills that did it.


    Huh?

    I am a child of the cold war...what stick out most from it is going to Cape Canaveral as a kid and going to some weird air force museum and looking at a figure that showed soviet missiles vs US and US missiles being less capable and far fewer then the soviet missiles...then like 10 years later learning that it was all a lie.

    No dread here....just a fear of the reaction to the over estimation of the ability of socialism to beat free markets often promoted by socialists and war mongers (is there a differance?)

    I hear in the 70s and 80s it was common for collage economics books to consistently show Soviet GDP and GDP growth far higher then the US.

  • ||

    "They are also museum pieces."

    Just like US B-52s?

    Yep.


    No doubt the B-52's are about as old as the Tu-95's but it's worth noting that Soviet technology, largely "borrowed" from the US, was 5-10 years (or more) behind, depending on what area we're talking about. Of course that means this is a turbo-prob airplane we're talking about, not a jet. So essentially they're still using the equivalent to a US 1940's era turbo-prop... What, don't we have any old Connies we could sell them?

  • Major Kong||

    The biggest dange of having them fly directly overhead of the Nimitz is that one of them might have fallen on it. Thank you, I'm here all week.

  • ||

    I'm pretty sure that the Soviets had some radars that would sterilize you at 80 nmi. and beat ours at certain times during the Cold War.

    Their fighters were also pretty damn maneuverable, though overall less capable. Even now, their Flanker variants can do some weird shit.

  • ||

    two Russian bombers, one of which buzzed a U.S. aircraft carrier .... One of them twice flew about 2,000 feet over the deck of the USS Nimitz

    ...buzzed...?? At 2000 feet - what are the Russians wimps? No pilot I know would claim "buzzing" if the altitude was "higher than an elephant's eye" (song reference via 'Oh What a Beautiful Morning' from Oklahoma)

  • ||

    Syd | February 13, 2008, 2:26pm | #
    Since when is being 2000 ft overhead "buzzing"?



    Oops didn't notice Syd's earlier posting - but, at least mine has a song reference, if that helps any :-0

  • ||

    Both the Bear and the Buff quickly switched to very low altitude terrain-following flight paths as their primary tactics for infiltrating enemy airspace.

    Turgidson:If the pilot's good, see. I mean, if he's really sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low - you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane, like a '52, vroom! There's jet exhaust, flyin' chickens in the barnyard!

    Muffley: Yeah, but has he got a chance?

    Turgidson: Has he got a chance? Hell yes...

    You don't fuck with a carrier group. They know everything you're doing and they will own you.

    Alternatively, you just take advantage of how easy it is to confuse them, and sail your destroyer right into SSM range while pretending to be an Indian.

    http://yorkshire-ranter.blogspot.com/2008/01/away-sea-boats-crew.html

  • B||

    "How is it paranoia if this stuff is actually happening?"

    Good fucking question, and it is exactly what I was thinking. When it comes to foreign policy, this magazine hasn't had an intelligent thing to say, ever. How in the fuck can you preface an article about Russian Bombers getting dangerously close to a U.S. aircraft carrier with a statement about "Putin paranoia mongers"? That is like telling a group of diabetics that they worry too much about their blood sugar.
    I guess it is paranoia to mention that the quasi-dictator has made repeated arms sales to countries like Iran, North Korea, Syria, etc., right? I mean, after all, these countries aren't home to the most threatening regimes on earth. And what about the Russian bombers that entered Japanese airspace and had to be intercepted by fighter jets. Those damn paranoid Nips.
    If I were to scratch my head at all the stupid fucking things Reason authors posted about on this blog, I would have worn a hole in my fucking calvarium.

  • B||

    "For a mere U.S. $100 million/year, the Austrian Empire™ will be the enemy of your people. . .instead of you.


    Hahahahaha, yeah. That is too fucking hysterical. Hahaha, good plan, because as everyone knows, all of our enemies are imagined and we have nothing to worry about. Those two building that fell in NY a few years back, it was staged in a movie set, just like the moon landing. Those 3000 dead people, they are basking in the sun, alongside "last years winners" from The Running Man.

  • ||

    Funny thing is, those things would have been smoldering wreckage long before they got inside 50 miles even WITHOUT the fighter escort had they done anything remotely hostile. You don't fuck with a carrier group. They know everything you're doing and they will own you.


    We hope so, at least. I certainly hope everything happened as described, our Navy was cautious and restrained as opposed to startled and flat-footed, and that nobody in the DoD is ass-covering.

  • ||

    Interesting happening unfolding at a time when all our presidential hopefuls don't look so hopeful. I think there's a plan with Russia and Iran if you ask me. Iran has been testing waters and Russia has been testing the airways. I think it's time to invest heavily in missle defense and time to ween ourselves from mideast oil. Where's Ronaldus Magnus (Ronald Reagan) when you need him.

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