Ron Paul: Five Million Dollar Man

Ron Paul's campaign confirms that it collected $5,080,000 in the third quarter of fundraising. That's more than double the campaign's second quarter haul of $2.4 million; it's also as much as "comeback" candidate John McCain has reportedly raised. Paul has $5.3 million cash on hand, again topping McCain.

That's a far larger total than anyone expected from Paul and it clobbers the rumored numbers that were floating around this week: The Wall Street Journal had reported a $3 million haul. But Paul's 11th hour fundraiser, which raised $1.2 million in seven days, demonstrated that the Paul donation machine had dramatically grown during the summer.

UPDATE: The campaign gloats a little in its press release, pointing out that the top 3 (non-Fred) candidates had fallen off this quarter: Romney by 29 percent, Giuliani by 40 percent, McCain by 55 percent.

Here are Paul's numbers quarter by quarter:

Q1: $639,889
Q2: $2.40 million
Q3: $5.08 million

So he's raised about $8.2 million and spent $2.9 million, a burn rate of around 35 percent. That's a little lower than the burn rate for the frontrunning candidates—though if you're a cynic you could ask why Paul's investment hasn't shown up in the polls. (UPDATE II: Devil's advocate: Paul actually has risen into the 2-4 percent range in New Hampshire, up from the zero he was scoring back in January.)

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    Holy crap!

  • thoreau||

    Paging Edward and DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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    CHA-CHING!

  • Fluffy||

    And the McCain camp cringes as it anticipates yet another week of comparisons to the "fringe" Paul campaign.

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    no, no, no, it was the same dollar bill that got donated 5 million times. Spam! Spam!

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    take that hate-ahs!

  • Fred Thompson||

    PAY NO ATTENTION TO RON PAUL. RON PAUL STEALS ALL OF FRED THOMPSON'S IDEA.

    COME TO Fred Thompson Forum AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR FREEDOM AND KILLING THE ISLAMOFASCISTS.. THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREDDOMS

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    Nuts!!!

  • ||

    No matter how you dress it up, it's still wasted capital.

  • AdamT||

    Hey "Fred Thompson" you are clueless. The only ideas Ron Paul is "stealing" is the ones in the Constitution.

    Thompson is CFR scum and a fascist like the Bush/Cheney/PNAC/Neo-cons.

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    That tee-shirt bitch should lose them panties.

  • James Blund||

    Wow, those internet spammers must have a lot of money!

  • ||

    Ron Paul has graduated to being compared to other real candidates, money-wise. Now if he can graduate to being compared to other real candidates that aren't on life support....

  • Cameron||

    Wonderful news! We need to spread the word even further! Lets not stop donating now. We have only just started this revolution!!!!!!!

  • ||

    I helped! It was only $25, but it was the first time I've ever donated to anyone, much less a republicrat.

    God bless you, Dr. Paul.

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    AdamT,

    I think I found your sense of humor. You must have dropped it before you read URKOBOLD'sFred Thompson's post.

  • Dick \'shotgun\' Cheney||

    Don't worry they are only federal reserve notes, they'll be worthless in another week or two.

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    Rimfax,

    I know the Urkobold, and Fred Thompson is no Urkobold.

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    HOLY SHIT

  • M||

    I donated because I think he'd be the best President money can buy. No, wait...

  • Danielle||

    Hey everyone please spread the word that states are trying to block out independent and democrat voters by making their primaries closed!!!!! You must be registered by October 12th in some states now!!!

    Go RON!

  • ||

    If the URKOBOLD made that Fred Thompson forum, he deserves accolades upon accolades. However, if it is real, then the craziness of the internet has been plumbed to the depths.

  • ||

    "Now if he can graduate to being compared to other real candidates that aren't on life support...."

    Well that would rule out Rudy McRompson, and Huck. He's already leaps and bounds ahead of them.

  • ||

    LETS DONATE AGAIN!!

    LETS NOT STOP THIS MOMENTUM... WHEN PEOPLE HEAR..PEOPLE JOIN!

  • Hayekian Dreamer||

    AWESOME news. I'm more impressed by the news he has 5.3 million cash on hand (it's under daily updates) though, that's a HUGE war chest for the long term.

  • ||

    The "Fred Thompson Forum" is hands down the funniest thing I've seen this week, and that includes Paris Hilton v. David Letterman.

  • ||

    Cash on hand for the Paul campaign is $5,300,000.

    So he burned through everything from Q2. Still that's about $7,000,000 more than McCan't

  • highnumber||

    Between ProGLib & me, I think I can state unequivocally that the Fred Thompson Forum is not an Urkobold production.

    I am curious who is behind it, though. Must be Ron Paul supporters.

    Someone needs to start a Dondero discussion there.

  • ||

    Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.

    Support the $5-million dollar man, Dr. Ron Paul and save this country.

    As an aside, we must give credit where it is due, this blogger guessed the $5 million donation number right first:
    Ron Paul Revolution

  • ||

    Ron Paul kicks Fred Thompson's @ss...

    Googlefight proves it.

    http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=ron+paul&word2=fred+thompson

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    Man that is the best news I have heard ALL DAY!!!!!

    LOVE YOU RON!!!

    WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO KEEP YOUR POCKET BOOK FULL!!! BRING AMERICA BACK!!!

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    Little know facts about Fred for all of you patriots.

    -Fred's full name is Fredfurt Rothchild Thompson.

    -Fred once saved a mans life by killing him.

    -Fred once helped a woman give birth at 40000 feet on an airplane. Only it was a dog in his shed.

    -Fred has never once played with a doll.

    -Fred has a Doctorate in Kicking Ass!

    -Fred can sit so still on a couch you would think he was dead.

    -Fred beat Chuck Norris in an Arm-wraslin match. Chuck was so upset by the loss he kicked Freds dog. Now that dog don't hunt.

    -Freds bones are coated in Adamantium.

    -Fred has 7 senses the other two are a sense of style and a sense of urgency.... well ok 6 senses.

    -Fred was travelling accross the atlantic and had to take the worst crap in his life. He leaned his butt over board and dropped a duece so large that when it hit the sea floor is caused a catastophic earth quake. Thats how the Mariannas trench was formed.

    -Fred is twice the man Guiliani is and half the man he used to be.

  • nullvalu||

    I think the campaign deserves to gloat a little.. They've worked their butts off and they should be thanked for that.. Go Ron Paul!

  • Mike Laursen||

    No matter how you dress it up, it's still wasted capital.

    It's not wasted. His ability to raise this much money makes it hard to marginalize libertarian candidates.

  • ||

    This is just the beginning of the donations too, the new goal is $12 million by new years, so tighten your belts. Remember, this chance doesn't come along very often so might as well go all out.

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    -Fred is twice the man Guiliani is and half the man he used to be.

    If Fred had an interesting gland, it would be half the size of most men.

  • ||

    Well....Cut my legs off and call me shorty!

    I figured this Ron Paul dude was a goner.

    I have to admit, I was wrong. Looks like all of you Paulies are getting some work done here.

    You STILL have a long way to go. I don't see it happening.

    I am gonna give Ron another look though.

    WOW. Who'da thunk.

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    "-though if you're a cynic you could ask why Paul's investment hasn't shown up in the polls"

    Unless Ron Paul buys the Sean "dumb ass" Hannity news outlets of this world, his Poll numbers never will show up. Look at the straw polls and any campaign outing if you want to see results Mr. Wigle.

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    * cackling maniacal gleeful laughter *

    Gee, I'd love to see Edward drop his chalky white pearls of wisdom about this development. It's a shame he doesn't post here anymore.

  • ||

    though if you're a cynic you could ask why Paul's investment hasn't shown up in the polls.

    I don't see why you have to be a cynic to ask this - it's kind of the obvious follow-up question to this post.

  • ||

    Holy shit, that's amazing! Better than my wildest dreams. Maybe there's hope for this thing after all. I think I'll make a donation today.

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    Dan T,

    One possible answer is that 35% of 8 million is a lot less than 35% of 50 million, so it's not like Ron Paul has spent anywhere near the amount that Rudy McThomney have.

  • ||

    Fred who?

    http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=ronpaul2008.com&site1=mittromney.com&site2=joinrudy2008.com&site3=mikehuckabee.com&site4=fred08.com&y=r&z=1&h=400&w=700&range=3m&size=Large&url=ronpaul2008.com

  • Vermont Gun Owner||

    I don't see why you have to be a cynic to ask this - it's kind of the obvious follow-up question to this post.

    Isn't going from 0% to 4% "showing up in the polls"?

  • cynic||

    I don't see why you have to be a cynic to ask this - it's kind of the obvious follow-up question to this post.

    The mass media only cares about reporting the "interesting" news about the horse race to win the election.

    Whereas, he work of all alternative parties is to build a political base to influence the direction of government. Winning elections is useful for building a base, but not necessary.

    Ron Paul is an unusual case at this time, because he is running within one of the major parties but he represents a political base that has been ostracized by that party.

    He doesn't need to win the election or the nomination or even gather a significant number of delegates at the nominating convetion to provide a valuable service to his political base.

  • Minion of URKOBOLD||

    FRED THOMPSON DOESN'T TAKE A DUMP WITHOUT HAVING A PLAN.

    HE IS FOR THE PHANTOM SUBMARINE, MUCH TO THE CHAGRIN OF GENE HACKMAN.

    NOW IT'S UP TO YOU, BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CUT THE KID A LITTLE SLACK BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

  • ||

    The polls that don't show Ron Paul are inaccurate for various reasons but it is hard to argue with Ron's 13 straw poll victories.

    www.ChristiansforRonPaul.com
    Ron Paul 2008!

  • ||

    Time to max out my contributions in Q4!

  • ||

    My wife and I together have ponied up the $4600 maxiumum legal donation to Ron Paul.

    Anyone out there that has whined and moaned about how bad things are in this country had better ante up.

    Ron Paul CAN win if people stop using the media's proclaimation that he has "no chance" as an excuse to do nothing.

  • VM||

    I SEE THAT "FRANK" HAS A NEW JOB AFTER HE GOT KICKED OUT OF "JEWS FOR JESUS" FOR MAKING ONE-TOO-MANY HAMMER JOKES.

    (ALTHOUGH "MARY WITH THE CHERRY" WAS A GOODIE)

  • Russ 2000||

    though if you're a cynic you could ask why Paul's investment hasn't shown up in the polls.

    If you're a real cynic, you'll wonder what kind of "reform" legislation is fomenting in Congress to prevent such dark horse candidates from raising more funds than the run-of-the-mill frontrunners.

  • Minion of URKOBOLD||

    "VM" NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH SEVERELY. THAT IS NEARLY AS FUNNY AS THE LAST TIME HE TRIED DRESSING UP LIKE ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND GOT MERKIN GLUE ALL OVER THE FLOOR.

    *DRAGS "VM" OFF*

  • ||

    OK, the waves are starting. CNN has mentioned the "shock" here.

  • ||

    Im voting for ron paul... and I I gave him 700 bucks I was saving up for a PS3 but this seams more important.. he has the youth vote..

  • ||

    www.ChristiansforRonPaul.com

    and with the strippersforronpaul.com contingent, it would certainly make for an entertaining nominating convention!

  • Minion of URKOBOLD||

    "GAIJIN" IS LOOKING FOR THE SAME FATE THAT HAS BEFALLEN "VM".

    ALTHOUGH THAT IS RATHER AMUSING....

  • ||

    And that $5 million doesn't count all the FREE campaigning he's getting from thousands of supporters.

    To put it in perspective, I run a meetup group of 19 members and we have spent nearly $700, not counting our time. So add another $700 for our time and another $600 since we're a below-average sized group, multiply by 950 meetup groups nationwide and you get $1.9 million.

    No doubt about it, he's top tier.

  • ||

    "...though if you're a cynic you could ask why Paul's investment hasn't shown up in the polls."


    EXACTLY!!! Because the cynic knows the "polls" are BS!

  • Keith||

    Sage your Fred points had me rollin on tha FLO BRO!! ROTFLMAO!!!

  • ||

    ABC news mentions the "jaw-dropping" amount here.

    Keith, go to that Fred Thompson forum. There's some funny stuff there.

  • ||

    But, hey you know, as Hannity would say: ¡¡that's just 4 spammers!!

    RON PAUL 2008

  • ||

    Can you say momentum - he is the candidate without ANY mainstream help. Put him on the front page, call him a frontrunner and he would smoke the Hildabeast.

    Ron Paul 2008

  • ||

    Very impressive.

    Who needs the LP? This compaign shows it's much better to work within the two-party system.

  • ||

    Thank God for Ron Paul! A true patriot!

    "I take my orders from the Constitution!"

  • x,y||

    Can you say momentum - he is the candidate without ANY mainstream help. Put him on the front page, call him a frontrunner and he would smoke the Hildabeast.

    Very true. But let's not hold our breath. A good 4th quarter is all we can do now.

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    And now a link via Drudge here.

  • #||

    This proves: The Truthers are out there.

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    What's neat is I only donated 50 bucks and he still kicked butt...I'm thinking of increasing that.

  • ||

    Fantastic! Ron Paul doesn't need the polls, the polls may be helping him. The others don't see him coming and keep tearing each other apart. There is only one poll that counts, and that is election day. We can win, We must win, WE WILL WIN!

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    "This proves: The Truthers are out there.


    Dondero, is this "#" thing something like when Prince change his name to that squiggly line?

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    #####################!!!

    Nope, doesn't have the same ring to it.

    DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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    "changed" his name....

  • Steve||

    PAY NO ATTENTION TO RON PAUL. RON PAUL STEALS ALL OF FRED THOMPSON'S IDEA.

    COME TO Fred Thompson Forum AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR FREEDOM AND KILLING THE ISLAMOFASCISTS.. THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREDDOMS


    I've been seeing a lot of these around the web lately. Are these Paul supporters trying to discredit Thompson or is this another Romney orchestrated hit-job?

  • ||

    Let's hope this gets more ink and chatter in mainstream media! He is a serious contender and is gaining momentum.

  • ||

    I really am shocked that people still think Paul won't win with the republican base - it doesn't exist any more! The 'base' is so fragmented it can't really be called a base anymore. The 27% of people who want to go to war with everyone with brown skin are a lost cause anyways; maybe the republicans will come around to the fact that ONLY an anti-war candidate can win this election.

  • ||

    "maybe the republicans will come around to the fact that ONLY an anti-war candidate can win this election."

    A pig just flew through my office......

  • Timothy||

    DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  • Ryan||

    "Very impressive. Who needs the LP? This compaign shows it's much better to work within the two-party system."

    Actually, this campaign shows just how difficult, and what a level of financial and time committment is required to elect libertarian candidates within the two-party system.

  • ||

    $12million by new years? That's ambitious. I hope we can get it done. I'll match my Q3 donation, but not much more. Mostly I hope all this filthy lucre is BiCRA kosher.

  • Thread Theorist||

    Why has Ron Paul not yet moved up in the polls?

    Simple. Most Republican primary voters are still waiting to learn his last name. They are not the sharpest pencils in the drawer.

  • ||

    Time to max out my contributions in Q4!


    Ditto!

    I've already donated to the campaign 3 times, but I'll definitely increase my contribution in the next quarter.

  • ||

    JLM, apologies for the pig. I'm sure Ron Paul can spot you for the damages out of his FAT WAD OF CASH.

    hehe.

  • Josh||

    Fred Thompson? You mean the ideas Dr. Paul has been touting for oh 30+ years? Look at Fred's voting record in the Senate, he's chameleon if I ever saw one.

  • Sean||

    I'm going to do $1000 next quarter.

  • Philip Blumel||

    Why has Ron Paul not yet moved up in the polls?

    1) Well, he has, actually. He is polling double or triple (yes, of a small amount) that he was a few months ago. But more importantly,

    2) He is espousing an uncompromising libertarian message. I you haven't noticed, Reason is not among the top circulation magazines, either. I do not ridicule you for this, in fact I appreciate it.

    Ditto for Ron's efforts.

  • Ensley||

    As they say, the Republicans and the Democrats are two wings of the same bird of prey. Guess who's the prey ...

    Time for a presidential candidate to shoot that vulture out of the sky and bring back our rights. Paul raised $5 million because there are still Americans who love peace and freedom and aren't fooled by the disguises the frontrunners of both parties wear.

  • ||

    You can also contribute by purchasing stuff from his campaign website. I put a couple of signs in my front yard that I purchased from ronpaul2008.com

  • ||

    DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    !OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOREDNOD

  • tomwright||

    I am changing my voter affiliation so that I can vote for RP in the primary next year.

    In NJ it is claimed that you can do this at the polls, but seeing as it *IS* NJ, I would not garantee that they will let you. So I am going to file an official declaration now.

    http://www.state.nj.us/lps/elections/faq_voter_doe.html#a1

    May I suggest to all you folks that are not registered to a party, who want to vote RP in the primary, to check your state laws *NOW*.

    It is October and some primaries start very early next year. In NJ you have to declare 50 days ahead or take a chance at the polls.

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    This site shows primary information for all states. I recently figured out that in my state, independents can vote in either primary. I'm quite happy that I don't have to hold my nose and register republican.

    http://www.primarilypaul.com/ron-paul-in-the-primaries

  • Sean||

    Made it to the main CNN politics page:
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/10/03/pauls-fundraising-shock/

    ...for about 20 minutes before being bumped down for "Capital building Fires"

    At least the exposure is worth the money itself.

  • tomwright||

    JLM : "I'm quite happy that I don't have to hold my nose and register republican."

    Yeah, I am going to have to fill out two forms. One to declare republican for the primary, another to undeclare after.

    P.I.T.A.

  • Rudy G||

    Get the word out - establishment is changing the rules in an attempt to eliminate Ron Paul - take no chances - get out and register as a REPUBLICAN (nasty) in your state to vote for Ron Paul. They're now making it so that you MUST be registered Republican (as where before they were open primaries to anyone). You only have a few weeks in NH and then you won't be able to vote for Dr. Paul.

  • Tom W||

    I think I'm going to record this in a Jimmy Durante-voice to a Dixieland beat. Maybe even put it to a Youtube video.

    Ron Paul for President
    What he says is what he means
    Ron Paul for President
    He'll sweep this country clean

    He'll kick out the old UN
    And keep us out of wars
    The income tax will see an end
    And we'll legalize drugs and whores!

    No more bailouts of the banks
    He'll give your tax money back to you
    So you can buy a Sherman tank
    Or build a castle too!

    Ron Paul for President
    He's real nice, not mean
    Ron Paul for President
    He'll swee-eep this count-ry clean!

  • D. Greene||

    This news made my day! It makes it worth it that I went into further debt to support Dr. Paul :)

  • ||

    "May I suggest to all you folks that are not registered to a party, who want to vote RP in the primary, to check your state laws *NOW*.

    It is October and some primaries start very early next year. In NJ you have to declare 50 days ahead or take a chance at the polls."

    OCTOBER 12, 2007 NEW YORK RESIDENTS CUTOFF. YOU MUST BE A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN TO VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN THE PRIMARY.

  • Drawn Asunder||

    CNN/Wolf Blitzer about to run a little blurbs on Paul's booty. Looks like the focus is on McCain though.

  • Sean||

    D. Greene...

    think of it as an investment. when he gets the presidency you'll have your money right back.

  • ||

    Washington State Rules:

    http://www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/pdf/2006/Pick-a-Party_FAQ.pdf

    "Do I need to register with a party to get a ballot?
    No. Washington's voter registration laws do not allow voters to register by party."

    I think I'm covered. I'd better be.

  • ||

    "CNN/Wolf Blitzer about to run a little blurbs on Paul's booty."

    Ooo! A Blitzer Booty call!

  • M||

    I am changing my voter affiliation so that I can vote for RP in the primary next year.


    Welcome aboard; I just did the same thing, in an effort to help exterminate the question "Who's Ron Paul?"

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    sage,

    I doublechecked WA election rules. I think you are wrong. Look at the FAQs a few lines above the quoted one. You need party affiliation to vote in the primary.

  • ||

    I'm surprised he's so well liked here. His stances on Immigration and Social Security are opposite most people on this blog. Personally, I agree with his immigration view, but I'm definitely in the minority on that one.

    His Social Security view (that we shouldn't raise eligibility age(s)) is totally wrong, though, and will eventually wipe out the budget. If people want to retire by age 62/65 (or 62/67 for my generation), they should pay for it themselves. I think the eligibility age should be slowly increased till, eventually, we as a nation are weined off it.

    Nevertheless, I still like him better than any of the other candidates.

  • Nash||

    "His Social Security view (that we shouldn't raise eligibility age(s)) is totally wrong, though, and will eventually wipe out the budget. If people want to retire by age 62/65 (or 62/67 for my generation), they should pay for it themselves. I think the eligibility age should be slowly increased till, eventually, we as a nation are weined off it."

    It's also totally practical since attacking current beneficiaries of SS is political suicide.

    He wants to phase it out but he wants to do it with the young people and not those currently dependent on it.

    Makes perfect political sense to me.

  • pdog||

    I think its not so much as he is so well liked because we(libertarians) agree with his views 100%, but that we have a canidate in a republican primary that comes so close to what we like. I may be an anarcho-capitalist, but I'd be an idiot not to vote for this paelo-conservative over the rest of the pack.

  • Ted Price||

    Money talks.

    First they ignore you ==> check
    Then they laugh at you ==> check
    Then they fight you ==> coming soon...
    Then you win ==> TBD

  • The Democratic Republican||

    I guess I'm one of those who's a little concerned that the campaign spent $2 million in the last quarter and doesn't have a lot to show for it. I understand that they could just be investing for the long term. Still, are they running adds in the "early" primary states? What are they doing with the money?

  • ||

    Here's why Ron Paul hasn't shown up yet in the "scientific" polls. They're rigged:

    http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Rasmussen_Polls_Rigged_against_Ron_Paul_unbelievable

  • ||

    sage,

    Doublechecked my double-check and wound up more confused. I think the best advice for everyone is to speak directly to your election officials right away to see what is required AND BY WHEN to vote in the Republican Primary. All the money in the world won't help Ron Paul if he can't get a significant number of the crossover voters to switch to the Republican party. Ya gotta dance wit da girl he brought.

  • ||

    The campaign has plenty to show for it - they've opened HQs in a few new states other than NH and Iowa (including a big office in Arlington, VA), started purchasing TV and radio ads, and totally revamped their organization. So it's not like the money has just disappeared or anything.

  • ||

    Soooo glad MO has open primaries.

    Click on your state and find out
    http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/paag.phtml

  • ||

    I'm a registered Republican in Florida, but when I checked on my registration (I moved last June) they had me listed as inactive. Inactive!! I voted last election. And the one before that. . .and so on. Perhaps voting Libertarian too often counts as "inactive" ☺

  • SIV||

    "May I suggest to all you folks that are not registered to a party, who want to vote RP in the primary, to check your state laws *NOW*.

    Doesn't matter. Most Paul supporters will be home with the bong muttering about fire not melting steel

  • ||

    SIV, who else but Paul will legalize cockfighting? Huh? oh no one.

  • ||

    I guess I'm one of those who's a little concerned that the campaign spent $2 million in the last quarter and doesn't have a lot to show for it.

    What the hell are you talking about?? They've got $5,000,000 to show for it. If this quarter goes as well, they can burn through that and they'll have their $12,000,000 heading into the primaries.

  • iowan||

    Doesn't matter. Most Paul supporters will be home with the bong muttering about fire not melting steel

    This 50-year old grandfather will be trudging out in some blizzard come Janauar and participating in his first caucus.

  • The Democratic Republican||

    Thanks, Randolph. It's not that I thought they were pulling a Badnarik or anything; it's just that I live in a state where they've done jack. So I can't really see what they're doing. But we're holding our own doing grassroots here.

  • ||

    Funny how you never hear that Ron Paul refuses to be owned by any corporations or any other special interest's by not accepting any money from them. I would love to see a chart comparing how much $ the so called top tier get from personal donations as apposed to Paul.

  • The Democratic Republican||

    Warren, I know raising money to raise money is the main thing, but I'm also wondering about when they'll be running ads or what other types of things they're doing. It doesn't matter how much they "burn" through if the money doesn't get turned into votes at some point.

  • ||

    You need party affiliation to vote in the primary.

    True, but you do this when you get the ballot (I believe we are now an all vote-by-mail state). You simply cast your votes for the candidates for the party you select. But if you vote for someone in the Repubs and someone from the Dems, your vote will be invalidated.

    This whole issue is being heard in the SCOTUS even as we speak.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/333906_scotusvoting02.html


  • NY voter||

    You can get a NY State voter registration form
    here

  • ||

    I see a lot of RP signs, bumper stickers, etc. around town. More than any other current 08 candidate (of either party). This is Texas, and ancedotal, but still.

  • ||

    It doesn't matter how much they "burn" through if the money doesn't get turned into votes at some point.

    True that, but it's way to early to attempt that now. We're in the building phase. Putting together an organization and filling the war chest.

    The "vote for me" ads shouldn't be run until days or even hours before the election. Of course what we really need is beyond our control. MSM coverage, i.e. free publicity. Total catch 22, no MSM until you get poll numbers, People won't vote for non frontrunners. That is why this is so huge. Big piles of cash get attention even without the poll numbers. Large turnouts at rallies also shore up hie legitimacy.

  • The Democratic Republican||

    Same here -- I live in a little town in Oklahoma, and pretty much the whole place is covered in RP signs. Including the back of both of my cars.

  • ||

    Man,
    I just filled out a form for the NYS Board of Elections declaring myself a Republican.
    *hurls*

    I'd rather sacrifice by donating money to Paul than committing this act of unspeakable atrocity!

  • ||

    It's also totally practical since attacking current beneficiaries of SS is political suicide.
    ...

    Makes perfect political sense to me.


    Granted.

    He wants to phase it out but he wants to do it with the young people and not those currently dependent on it.

    Good to know. I hope it's true. He's got my vote regardless, but it would be nice to know there's one more thing we agree upon.

  • Vermont Gun Owner||

    Rienmoose- Why not do both?

  • NY Voter||

    Reinmoose | October 3, 2007, 5:11pm | #

    Man,
    I just filled out a form for the NYS Board of Elections declaring myself a Republican.
    *hurls*


    Me too. I've been a democrat for 22 years but I really want Dr. Paul to win the New York Republican primary instead of Rudy.

  • ||

    Vermont Gun Owner -
    I guess I wasn't clear. I will do both.

  • ||

    Sean Hannity will dismiss it by saying the same three Ron Paul internet geeks are charging their credit card 5,000 times.

  • ||

    NY Voter -
    that's a big shift for you. I was previously unafiliated.

    My mother would be proud. I'm not telling my friends yet...

  • Joshua Holmes||

    If you listen carefully, you can hear the entire city of Washington crapping itself.

  • chickenshit motorist||

    Someone please assure me that a Ron Paul bumper-sticker means nothing to a cop.

  • The Democratic Republican||

    Count me in as both -- RP already has his money, and I will hurl and dry heave after registering as an Oklahoma Republican next week.

  • The Democratic Republican||

    Excuse my typo -- RP has *my* money, not *his* money

  • Edward||

    Yeah, that's it. Keep telling yourselves over and over that Paul has a chance.

    Fucking fools.

  • ||

    Someone please assure me that a Ron Paul bumper-sticker means nothing to a cop.

    chickenshit motorist,

    I was thinking about this myself. I would guess that if it means anything to a cop, it would mean that the cop should not try to pull any funny business with the motorist, because a Ron Paul supporter is much more liable to know his own rights than an average citizen.

  • ||

    I nominate Joshua Holmes for thread winner

  • Stephen the Goldberger||

    edward i thought you were leaving 5 months ago?

  • chickenshit motorist, slowing ||

    smacky, that's a nice twist; do you think a CRUSH POLICE BRUTALITY! sticker would work as well?

    I fear (see my handle) that Mister Cop is likely to know, and feel, about RP only negatively impactful stuff.

  • ||

    Edward-Didn't you leave forever? You said you were going to...repeatedly. Why are you here, Edward, after you said over and over that you were going to leave?

  • x,y||

    Aside from the many and varied reasons I'd like to see Dr. Paul win the Republican nomination, watching that smug a**hat Hannity do a complete 180 will be great.

  • ||

    chickenshit motorist:

    despite all the thugs working as policemen, i still think a large chunk of them really are good people working within a corrupt system. RP will appeal to them. look at LEAP.org - a small organization now, but growing and obviously both practically and morally correct.

    remember, RP gets almost ~50% of the total campaign donations from ex-military personnel. a lot of cops are likely to be of a similar mindset.

  • ||

    I don't get the point of folks who say "you fools your candidate has no chance." We are talking about a PRIMARY here. It doesn't hurt anyone to use their vote symbolically. Jesus.

  • ||

    ach, make that http://leap.cc

  • ||

    Yeah that's it Edward, keep telling us we're fools. You are showing a real commitment to your cause. No matter how much the PAUL '08 campaign blows up, you stick to your guns. Even if Ron Paul is elected POTUS you can sleep well knowing you did your part to discourage his supporters.
    Fucking asshat.

  • ||

    Hi, smacky! We needed a translation the other day, but you were not to be found. Anyway, I think a Paul sticker might also correlate highly with gun ownership. For whatever that's worth.

    A couple of comments on some statements up thread:

    1) I've seen lots of Paul signs and stickers around the Tampa area (both sides of the Bay) and have seen hardly any for any other candidates. In fact, on my drive home across one of the causeways, I see people holding signs about once a month. Yeah, that's showing a dedicated crop of supporters more than a huge outswelling of support, but it's not chickenfeed, either.

    2) I've noted that the Paul camp is catching some of the fruitcakes--Truthers, North American Unionists, etc.--but that hardly means that we're all that way. I certainly don't buy into such lunacy, nor do any of the Paul supporters that I know personally. Wait, except for one of my friends who has gone insane. Forgot about him. He believes pretty much all the crazy theories these days and, unfortunately, is loudly supporting Paul. In any case, I support Paul because I think it is critical that we begin to dramatically reduce the scope and reach of government. He's the only candidate promising to do anything in that direction. Win or lose, that idea must be fostered and promoted. He's not perfect, but he's a 100X better than the next best option.

  • chickenshit motorist,||

    PBA DONORS FOR RON PAUL!

  • M||

    My default position is that any post at H&R signed Edward these days isn't by Edward, and that those who respond are, I believe, talking only to the rest of us, with a slim chance that Edward is reading them too. Yes, he did continue to post after announcing his retirement, but I don't think for long. So either you guys are more sophisticated at detecting the real Edward, or by some miracle I am in this instance more justifiedly skeptical than you-all. Not that it always matters, because your responses are often very funny, whether addressed to holograms or not.

  • Ensley||

    In the military town where I live, our Ron Paul Meetup Group is full of airmen from the Air Force base nearby, as well as from the Naval Air Station. Ron Paul is the candidate who gets more campaign contributions from the military than any other candidate. Apparently they want this endless war to end, too. And most cops are usually vets, so there is a lot of Paul support among them. I just got back from a long trip through Florida, Georgia, Alabama and SC, and received many a horn honk and thumbs-up for my Ron Paul bumpersticker. In fact, my city is covered with Ron Paul signs; many of which I held the ladder for ...

  • ||

    I don't think it all doesn't matter much to Paul because it isn't gold.

  • ||

    It's too bad Edward never posts here anymore -- I'd love to get his reaction to this.

  • Pining for Edwards Past||

    EDDDDDDDDDDWWWWWWAAARRRRDDDDDOOOOOOOOO.

    Please (don't) come back for a threesome with Awik Dunderooooo.

    EDWARDDDDDDD(ild)OOOOOOOOO

  • iih||

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udh66DGpRTI

    RP has raised more money from US soldiers than any other candidate!

  • Nate||

    Ron Paul is our only hope! Please find every available dollar you can share and make the investment. Ron Paul will pay you back when he kills the IRS. This country will follow the winner, but we need to collectively create the momentum, and money talks. Polls don't mean anything because they don't call cell phones and many of us depend on them as our only number. Spread the word and you'll sleep better at night knowing that you are making the world better. Register Republican and VOTE IN THE PRIMARY!

  • ||

    THAT IS NEARLY AS FUNNY AS THE LAST TIME [VM] TRIED DRESSING UP LIKE ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND GOT MERKIN GLUE ALL OVER THE FLOOR.

    Wow. That's you, VM?

  • ||

    iih,
    you thin that news item would get more play, especially among democrats who say the troops are against the war. BUT WAIT! the democrats aren't really against the war either.

  • iih||

    Randolph Carter:

    I came to that conclusion a long time ago.

    By the way, I saw on the dailypaul.com website that something you said on reason was quoted as the best quote reported on blogs and in the media. I am trying to find it again but with no avail. It was a thread reporting coverage of Paul in the media.

  • iih||

    Randolph:

    Here it is:

    http://dailypaul.com/node/2806

    Were you aware?

  • ,,,||

    If Ron Paul wins the Republican primary, Hannity and the rest of the corporatist warfare state media will pull a 180...on Hillary Clinton.

  • iih||

    The "the corporatist warfare state media" probably prefers HRC over RP. Not a single comment of Fox News regarding Paul's numbers. HuffPost reported it (and there is a good reason why left media would like to highlight Paul).

  • ||

    I gave cuz Ron Paul is the best candidate money can't buy and what's more, he wants to make it so the government has no favors to sell.

  • M||

    Rick, I hope you realize that's what I meant at 1:32pm (and still do mean).

  • ||

    M,

    Sure, I'm hep to what you meant. And you said it with humor too. Very nice.

    But yes, it was definitely your comment that gave me the idea for mine. You kinda launched a meme, M.

  • M||

    *blushes

  • ||

    I got as big a laugh from you Democrats holding your noses to register Republican as I did from sage's Fred stuff. Props to you guys.

    If it makes you feel any better, I crossed party lines in 2006 after voting 30 years as a Republican. This was to punish RINO Mike DeWine for shamelessly shilling for illegal immigration. This was immensely satisfying.

    At this point, having honest representatives trying to do the right thing is more important than party affiliation.

  • ||

    On that Google fight thingy, Ron Paul beats buddha, yahweh, ghandi and mohammad COMBINED!

  • ||

    Once we get a little closer to the primaries Dr. Paul needs to run some ads with military personel talking about why they back him and also saying that more military personel back him than any other candidate.

    He also needs to run some adds that show the corporate/special interest backing of the other candidates compared to his non-exisent corporate/special interest backing.

  • iih||

    Once we get a little closer to the primaries Dr. Paul needs to run some ads with military personel talking about why they back him and also saying that more military personel back him than any other candidate.

    Yes.

    He also needs to run some adds that show the corporate/special interest backing of the other candidates compared to his non-exisent corporate/special interest backing.

    No. It may be honest to say so, but may not serve him amongst the republican base. Mentioning "corporate/special interest" sounds terribly close to left leaning whining about big corporations and their influence on Republican governments.

  • ||

    And let's not mention Ron Paul's vote on the Bankruptcy "Reform" Act of 2005. How's that for rejecting the special interests?

    "Ron Paul means Freedom" ... if you're a white, Christian, heterosexual male. Amazing how quickly this place got flooded with Paulites claiming him to be better than JESUS TIMES BUDDHA TO THE GHANDI POWER.

  • Alan||

    I can't believe we are actually discusing Rep. Ron Paul and his Paulestinians.

    Senator Fred Thompson is the only major candidate that gets it. He makes decisions based on principles. Principles don't change. You have to stand for something and not change who you are based on the polls. That is what Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani have done and all of the Democrats do it. Give me a leader that will stand by his principles anyday versus someone that stands for everything.

    I know many, many Republicans that will stay home if Rudy Giuliani is the candidate. He does not represent our values as Conservatives, and never will. Mitt Romney is a RINO (though a very nice man) that simply has everything else and nothing to do. "I guess I'll just try to buy the presidency". Conservatives will simply stay home and the Democrats will pick up additional seats in the House and probably get the 60 seats in the Senate they need to completely destroy our Country. Nice picture huh?

    However, I think Fred can bring America back together, if that's even possible. America needs a rebirth of patriotism and honor. Republicans also need a rebirth. President Reagan was our last rebirth and he can never be duplicated. Fred Thompson will bring his own down-to-earth common sense to this Country and strength back to our party. A little of the good old days of faith and family would do well for this Country. If a Conservative runs as a Conservative, he will win!

    Think of it this way: Eight years of another Clinton White House? Now if that is not a sufficient enough reason to pull together as a party, as a Country, and fight this socialist liberal takeover of our government, what is? It is not impossible to take back the House and the Senate. We are winning in Iraq-they know it. The best they can do now is stop our progress and choose defeat, just like they did during Vietnam. We lost because Congress chose defeat. History repeats itself when not learned from.

    Folks, we are in for the fight of our lives, just as our young men and women are fighting for our freedoms in Iraq and Afghanistan, we must fight for our Country right here and now! I truly believe Fred Thompson is the one man who can pull this party and nation back together! Rudy Giuliani will just tear us apart as a party. Liberal is liberal every day of the week.

    Really tick off the leftist democrats and contribute to Fred Thompson: https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791

  • Jefferson||

    I agree with everything that Alan said. So we all need to vote for Ron Paul.

    He's is the only one that can go up against Hillary or Obama and win.

  • Nash||

    "I truly believe Fred Thompson is the one man who can pull this party and nation back together!"

    Huh?

  • ||

    Hi, ProLib!


    Ha ha..."Awik"

  • ||

    Nash - the guy obviously thinks this is a Republican site, pay no mind.

  • ||

    MSM update: They mentioned Ron Paul and the fact that he beat McCain with his $5MM on the Today show. Russert also said something to the effect of "there is still a place for a Libertarian Republican" and mentioned that he could "get on the air" in Iowa & NH.

  • ||

    Senator Fred Thompson is the only major candidate that gets it. He makes decisions based on principles. Principles don't change.

    At first I thought this was sarcasm, because it's so trite and absurd. Thompson is a Washington insider who has worked as a paid *lobbyist*, for crying out loud. That means shilling for the highest bidder. He cashed out his principles, if he ever had any to begin with.

  • ||

    Alan,

    From what I've read about Fred, he'd get taken to the woodshed by Hillary or Obama. His positions not withstanding, he's a boring, unenergetic speaker who doesn't like to go out and shake hands and make smalltalk and who's only saving grace is that he looks good on paper. Unless something about his changes, I think after the October 9th debate, you'll see his poll numbers drop (probably to the gain of McCain). The man is just not presidential. Say what you want about Mr. Paul, but he shows alot more energy and interest in the position than Mr. Thompson and is just as qualified.

  • Fred Thompson||

    Fred Thompson is the only Republican who can win against Hillary.

  • ||

    The AP article (linked by Drudge) is surprisingly astute (in that it isn't filled with errors as per usual). It accurately and fairly characterizes Rep. Paul's positions.

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071003/D8S227LO0.html

  • ||

    Alan, buddy
    There is no man running in the field who represents conservative values better than Dr. Paul.
    And you post reads like a collage of 6 months worth of articles from FOX NEWS.

    You were joking, weren't you?

  • ||

    Whoohoo! My internet prowess grows...

    Thanks for the link, iih!

  • iih||

    Randolph: You are welcome! Save that page :-)

  • ||

    From a conservative/independent who loathes all dittoheads Ron Paul exposes the mendacity and pandering running like sewage out of the mainstream Republican candidates. I love the Libertarian platform and wonder how Republican party became big government liberal types promoting and protecting corporate welfare.

  • ||

    "I love the Libertarian platform and wonder how Republican party became big government liberal types promoting and protecting corporate welfare."

    The influx of neoconservatives.

  • ||

    Ron Paul's numbers are low because so many people have never heard of him and MSM plans to keep it that way. Ron Paul could be 15 percent in the polls and MSM would maintain their blackout unless they thought attacks worked better.

  • ||

    I wouldn't be surprised if the other Republicans were paying the mainstream media under the table to keep quiet about Ron Paul. I really wouldn't be.

  • ||

    Before any registered LP voters change their party affiliation to GOP, check with the county registrar about ballot access requirements. Number of party registrants often figures into the calculus as to whether a third party gets "official ballot status" or not. In some cases, having enough registered party members can save the party from having to spend money and effort circulating petitions to put candidates on the ballot.

    There aren't enough registered Libertarian voters to hurt Dr. Paul if they all didn't get to vote for him in the primaries. There aren't enough registered Libertarian voters to push Dr. Paul over the edge except in the closest of close races. On the other hand, if the LP loses ballot status in one or more states because of primary defections, that would be a major setback, which would be doubly bad in the case that Ron Paul disappears after the primaries.

    Democrats and Independents, feel free to register as GOP temporarily to help Dr. Paul. But LP voters, please do your homework before switching your affiliation. You could potentially harm the cause (and hundreds of other LP candidates in future elections) more than you help Dr. Paul this time.

  • ||

    Ron Paul's numbers are low because so many people have never heard of him and MSM plans to keep it that way.

    That's funny, because I've been seeing his fundraising numbers all over the media.

    The TV nooz - I forget which one - last night reported the fundrasing numbers, and Paul was the lead. They used the phrase, "Once dismissed as a fringe candidate..." which is notable both for the implication that he is no longer so dismissed, and the use of the passive voice.

    Paul's fundraising was also the headline on Page 2 of today's Boston Globe.

  • ||

    RON PAUL IS THE MAN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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