Democratic Debate VI: The Hammerin' in Hanover

It's my birthday and I'm going to spend it watching the eight Democratic candidates for president condemn MoveOn.org debate the issues of the day. These debates are, at best, about 27 percent as fun as the Republican ones, but the rumor's that Barack Obama, Chris Dodd, and Elizabeth Edwards's husband will actually take the claymore to Hillary this time.

The "fun" begins at 9 p.m. Eastern Time on MSNBC. Tim Russert, moderator.

Other liveblogging to check out, if your browsing finger gets itchy: John Tabin at the American Spectator, the hivemind at Daily Kos. (Kos, by the way, now supports Chris Dodd. Bill Richardson's libertarian Democrat cred couldn't overcome his campaign gaffes.)

8:55: Keith Olbermann is warming us up with rumors that Obama might "draw blood." Chris Matthews is telling Obama to ape Rusty Sabich in Presumed Innocent.

9:00: It's the 47th anniversary of the first Kennedy-Nixon debate! In commemoration of this, Bill Richardson's flop sweat will be sponsored by the Richard Nixon Presidential Library.

9:01: President Obama will "call together the Joint Chiefs of Staff" and start phasing out the occupation of Iraq, long-windedly.

9:03: Hillary "agrees with Barack." She doesn't even knock him for being out of town for the vote on Biden's Iraq plan. Ah, the confidence of the Terminator-like frontrunner.

9:05: Man, Russert is teeing up the field for Richardson -- the lone Democrat who's pledged to pull all troops out of Iraq. Edwards, the self-designated anti-war candidate, is forced to talk about "immediately drawing out 50,000 troops" when his wife moves into the White House. I'm glad Russert is forcing this discussion, though.

9:07: If Edwards is the nominee "the debate will be between a Democrat who wants all combat troops out" and a Republican who wants them in. Or between a Democrat who will be beaten senseless for flip-flopping on his war support. You know, one of the two.

9:08: Edwards is still talking like he matters.

9:09: Richardson: "We can't do the separation unless we get all our troops out." Hm. That's one way to split up the country.

9:11: First Clinton says "Kucinich is in the House," now Dodd says "We can do this thing!" The Democrats are really rubbing in that GOP snub of the Tavis Smiley debate. (Also, vote in the comments: Does anyone care if I ignore Dodd?)

9:13: Biden slathers praise on himself for passing his pro-partition resolution: "The Biden plan that got 75 votes." And no one wants to commit to pulling all the troops out by 2013.

9:15: Kucinich plugs House Resolution 1234, co-sponsored by Congresswoman Feist (D-Canada).

9:16: Russert asks what Gravel would do "if you were a senator." Is there any reason he can't run against Ted Stevens? He would overcome Republican opposition by grabbing senators "by the scruff of the neck." Can he run in both party primaries, please?

9:18: Gravel goes wild, calling out Hillary ("I'm ashamed of you!") for voting for the Lieberman-Kyl Iran amendment. Hillary laughs like Daryl Hannah in Blade Runner.

9:20: Hillary needed to vote to designate Iran's army as a "terrorist organization" because we alienated Iran by calling them part of the Axis of Evil. Why don't we really patch things up and slap Ahmedinijad's wife in the face?

9:23: Interesting debate between Russert and Hillary Clinton between what Israel should do if Iran builds nukes. She's definitely going to win that seat in the Knesset.

What? This is an American presidential debate?

9:25: Obama, dodges, technically, but why the hell were we talking about what Israel should do?

9:27: Edwards: "I want to make sure everyone understands what Senator Gravel was talking about." Indeed. Drop out and endorse him!

9:28: More Edwards: What the Iraq vote taught him was that GEORGE BUSH BAD! BAD, BAD!

9:29: Bill Richardson's going to bring back diplomacy by talking to everyone in Iran except the tiny president. A good idea.

9:31: Next question to Bill R: "Hey, you look like a Mexican. What'll you do about Mexicans?"

9:33: Hey, Biden reads Hit and Run?

9:34: Biden's soundbite: "Rudy Giuliani is the most uninformed person in American politics when it comes to foreign policy." It comes during an immigration question, but let's forgive him one.

9:36: Why, why did Russert throw a question to the stage? You do that, you're going to end up with Kuchinich quoting Emma Lazarus.

9:38: Never trust Gravel when he says "real quick." He's not going to be real quick. Rich Lowry is liveblogging up a storm, also.

9:40: The commercial break provides yet more reasons to close our porous borders. Penelope Cruz, tempting red-blooded Anglo men! That British spokesman for A&T Wireless! They're taking our jobs!

9:41: Here I was, trying to make a stupid joke, and America's Survival Inc. has bought an ad against the Law of the Sea Treaty.

9:42: There's a commotion: What happened during the commercial break? Did they tase Dodd? Oh, no, he's still there.

9:43: I break from my Dodd Vacation to note this phrase: "I realize I have some gaining of ground to do."

9:44: Hillary can bring us universal health care because her enemies have been vanquished or grudgingly admitted her power and prescience.

9:47: Biden can get more done than Hillary because Republicans don't hate him. I'm actually in the camp that thinks that she can get more done because of that. Republicans can't remain cool and sober at the sound of her name. They sort of just chortle at Biden's name.

9:49: Ah, I missed John Edwards and his soft fascism. He won't let "the special interests sit around a table" to decide what health care reform we'll have, because that would exclude "the rest of America." So is he going to book a room for 300 million people? No: He's going to decide what health care plan we should have.

9:51: Obama remains pretty calm after a Russert "gotcha" on his experience. And then, as usually happens halfway through these things, he crackles back to life. Makes the excellent point that the plans made during a presidential campaign will hit the reef if the president doesn't have the political capital--the charisma, I guess, in this case--to shove it down Congressional throats.

9:54: Let us now praise famous Tim Russerts: He's doing a round about the candidates' worst cock-ups. Gravel first, challenged on his mountains of credit card debt, which he is proud of because he hates credit card companies. I think the lesson is that you can't instill shame in a streaker.

9:56: It's a little sad that Kucinich's best moment in politics was, still, getting ridden out of Cleveland on a rail.

10:00: Edwards on gay rights: "I'm a depraved bigot but, hey, maybe my kids won't be. Why can't my wife be here to answer this?"

10:02: Obama pledges to "feed people Reason!" He wins. Have a good night!

10:04: Wow, Clinton doesn't enjoy talking about gays. She likes hate crimes legislation, though--not because she just wants to wash her hands of the issue! Who said she does?

10:05: During this American Cancer Society ad I keep waiting for John Edwards to burst into the frame and start saying stupid things.

10:08: It's a Social Security round, which allows Biden to break out his favorite play: "I don't care what the rest o' you wimps do, I'm gonna tell the truth!" He wants to raise taxes to pay for it, as does Hillary, basically.

10:11: This is when the Bush years really sting: Hillary is able to sound like a fiscal conservative. She's nailing Bush for "spending the Social Security trust fund," which LBJ actually pioneered--but that's not the point! It's incredible how little the country cares about Bush's tax cuts, how ready they are for a Democrat to come in and raise them to pay for some sweet, sweet entitlements.

10:18: Wow, Russert really lost control on the Social Security round... unless he's just handing the Democrats rope to hang themselves with. Nothing surprising happens until Kucinich pledges to lower the retirement age.

10:21: Clinton points out that her husband's budget projections had the country on track to eliminate the debt until George W. Bush came and ruined it. President Clinton II will put us back on that track, right until Jeb gets elected and cuts taxes again. Here, let me illustrate:

10:23: Jesus, they're playing leapfrog to be the loudest one promising a smoking ban.

10:25: A question about lowering the drinking age! Biden's against it.

10:28: Gravel: "Anyone old enough to die [in wars] should be able to drink." In related news, Mike Gravel will be president.

10:33: It's time to admit that the only people who care about a Clinton-Bush dynastic duopoly live in and around Washington. Obama can't get any traction on that, Clinton relishes bragging about her looking-better-ever-damn-day husband.

10:34: Weirdness from Biden re: MoveOn.org. They "haven't changed politics"? Totally false. They "told him" something about their Petraeus ad before it ran? But they don't run the party?

10:36: Kucinich tells a fantastic little joke. That should be the end of his campaign. And yet it won't be.

10:37: This debate is two hours long? Don't these people have jobs?

10:45: I've been experiencing internet connectivity issues all night and I've got a few deadlines in the a.m. so I'm going to cut and run. Please alert me if there's news, if Biden tackles Richardson to the floor and screams "RAHOWA" or something.

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  • Paul||

    Wow, David. Birthday's at your house are a gas. You gonna have a wild and crazy knitting circle in the back-- you know, for the hard-core partiers?

  • ||

    Hey, military history nerds, here's a debate topic: Which claymore would be the more effective anti-Hillary weapon, the in-your-face heavy Scottish sword or the sneaky antipersonnel mine? And which Democratic candidates would be psychologically inclined to use which?

  • ||

    ...but the rumor's that Barack Obama, Chris Dodd, and Elizabeth Edwards's husband will actually take the claymore to Hillary this time.

    I'd pay to see that!

    Happy B'day and many returns, Mr Weigel.

  • ||

    I believe the mine would be more effective. I get the impression that Hillary's a good close in fighter. For some reason, swithblade comes to mind. As to who'd use what -

    Barack Obama appears to be honorable enough to use the broadsword.
    John Edwards definitely uses the mine, at night, while negotiations are going on. He's a tort lawyer for cryin' out loud.
    Mike Gravel finds both weapons too heavy to use.
    Dennis Kucinich finds both weapons too complicated to use.
    Chris Dodd, and Joe Biden are too afraid of Hillary to attack.

  • GILMORE||

    The answer is obvious

    plant claymore facing inward at her podium, have it triggered to explode on mention of her healthcare proposal, at which point the whole gang of them leap on her fragged body and hack it to mincemeat with scottish broadswords

    Best. Ratings. Ever.

  • ||

    On one episode of Newsradio, Lisa Miller (Maura Tierney) becomes addicted to watching C-Span. I'm thinking that's the kind of girlfriend for you, David. Especially if she looks like Maura Tierney.

  • ||

    I gotta agree with J sub but I have to add that Barack's honorable frontal attack will fall far short more because he will have to do it with a shiv protruding from a kidney.

    As far as Hillary's switchblade goes, I'm thinking something more like a spoon sharpened on a brick is more her style.

  • Guy Montag||

    Happy Birthday David! Milkshakes for all on me! Well, not for any of the reason staff, would not want them getting distracted :)

    break break

    Eddy,

    As far as Hillary's switchblade goes, I'm thinking something more like a spoon sharpened on a brick is more her style.

    That also is a shiv, prison style.

  • SIV||

    As far as Hillary's switchblade goes, I'm thinking something more like a spoon sharpened on a brick is more her style.

    In the interest of unpleasant mental pictures how about the toothbrush with a double edge razor blade affixed to the handle like Reese Witherspoon's character had stashed in her coochie in the movie Freeway.

  • ed||

    Crap. I was going to eat my chicken wings and wash them down with Dewars while contemplating nothingness and maybe thereafter read some P.G. Wodehouse over a cigar and more Dewars but since it's not Thursday on NBC and nothing else is on the tube I just might watch. I'm sure I'll cringe in uncomfortable embarrassment the same way I do when I stumble upon an unfunny comedian on Comedy Central but what the hell. Thanks.

  • SIV||

    coochie or cootchie? sp

  • MattXIV||

    I get the impression that Hillary's a good close in fighter.



    I was just thinking that. That's why I'd definitely say the mine. If you're strong and coordinated enough, either would get the job done, but if you don't have the arm strength to recover from swinging the sword quickly she'll get up close before you can bring your guard back up and that'll be the end of you.

  • ||

    Maura Tierney is sexier than she realizes. Hot in a valedictorian sort of way.

  • Guy Montag||

    I get the impression that Hillary's a good close in fighter.

    Yea, she can't be beat when armed with an ashtray I heard.

  • thoreau||

    David Weigel's having a birthday, and he's going to party like it's the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November in a year divisible by 4. What a crazy guy!

  • Guy Montag||

    OT, worth ignoring: Maybe the management is already napping after their milkshakes, but I will ask anyway.

    Why nothing on the Bill O'Reilly "controversy"? Seemed like the same sort of sillyness that would draw a post here, like that college football coach.

    For those who missed it, I missed most of it too, but O'Reilly had to point out to Leftists that black people can run diners too, they are not stuck being poor and on welfare, or something like that. Quite a distinct difference from Ezra Klein pointing out that DC does not attract white people because the government does not open book stores and coffee shops. Anyway, O'Reilly is getting crap for not being a total leftist and Ezra gets a pass because he is a total Leftist.

    Enjoy the debate!

  • MattXIV||

    On one episode of Newsradio, Lisa Miller (Maura Tierney) becomes addicted to watching C-Span. I'm thinking that's the kind of girlfriend for you, David. Especially if she looks like Maura Tierney.



    They're out there. One of my friends just got engaged to a young lady who for the first couple months they were dating I knew as "C-SPAN chick".

  • ||

    Good job gettin' around the sun one more year, Weigel.

  • ||

    J sub D - agreed. MattXIV - you might like the episode. Matter of fact, it was a great show. May the NBC execs who canceled it be banished to a layers of hell where the only TV show is "Cop Rock".

    And I don't know why anyone didn't get this, but with her health care program, Hillary is sure to be carrying a scalpel.

  • ace||

    I'm trying to watch this off the msnbc site and it isn't working, curses.

  • Guy Montag||

    Can Vodka prevent a rash from poison oak? Check Mythbusters RIGHT NOW on the Discovery Channel!

  • SIV||

    O'Reilly had to point out to Leftists that black people can run diners too, they are not stuck being poor and on welfare

    Guy:

    Nothing new, some libertardian on here was trying to say IllegalMexicans couldn't wire a house or that Mexican electricians couldn't swim the Rio Grande or that they don't have electricity down in Mexico or that it is DC or something....

  • Guy Montag||

    What is the terminal velocity of a 9mm bullet? About 100 MPH.

    .3006? About the same.

    Right now on Mythbusters!

  • SIV||

    Bill Richardson's libertarian Democrat cred couldn't overcome his campaign gaffes.

    Which one? That homosexuality is a choice?
    I am ready to overlook the "single issue" and consider voting for him if he sticks to that.

    Not as Hillary's Veep in the general election though.......scary thought.

  • Guy Montag||

    Nothing new, some libertardian on here was trying to say IllegalMexicans couldn't wire a house or that Mexican electricians couldn't swim the Rio Grande or that they don't have electricity down in Mexico or that it is DC or something....

    I think you are confusing DC with MD when it is raining. No myth, the power goes out in MD when it rains. Funny thing, a bunch of those reporters who complain about electrical outages in Iraq since the liberation live in a place that has power less often than the place they are complaining about.

  • ||

    The Dems have terrible, terrible candidates. There is simply no way a woman with such high negatives can be president, no way. And Obama, sad to say but a black man whose middle name is Hussein and has about 3 years national experience has no chance. The Dems are assuring us four more years of GOP Presidents. Really the only way I can see one of them winning is if Romney gets the nod and they pull a John Kerry flip-flopper from Mass. attack on him.

  • Guy Montag||

    Dave, is Fred winning the debate yet? I just saw a teaser where the Mythbusters fired a bullet at 100 MPH at a pig head.

    BTW, vodka does not cure poison oak.

  • TLB||

    If anything happens I'll post about it.

    Perhaps Reason could consider doing a public service and pointing out how all these "debates" feature toothless moderators that ask generally puffball questions and refuse to press for an answer.

    Russert could end a few political careers if he pressed them on immigration matters. Let's watch and see what happens.

  • SIV||

    Hillary laughs like Daryl Hannah in Blade Runner

    If JFK Jr had stuck with DH he would be alive today. She wouldn't have delayed the flight hunting for her coke stash.

  • ||

    Perhaps Reason should sponsor a debate?

    What a hilarity that would be, eh?

  • Guy Montag||

    "Falling" bullets will not kill you. Usually. Proven on Mythbusters!

    What about removing plastic bandages with vodka? Soon to be revealed on Mythbusters!

  • MattXIV||

    (Also, vote in the comments: Does anyone care if I ignore Dodd?)



    Go ahead. Consider it a birthday gift.

  • ||

    Mr. Nice Guy, are you saying the terrible, terrible candidates the GOP has are that much better? Seems to be about the same either way, GOP mayo or Dem mustard but it's still a shitwich.

  • Guy Montag||

    Perhaps Reason should sponsor a debate?

    The only ones who will show up are the Republicans and Libertarians. The Dems are afraid of FOX for crying out loud. They will burst into flames at the sight of Nick's leather jacket.

  • SIV||

    GOP mayo or Dem mustard but it's still a shitwich.

    Bad analogy. For the Dems its the jar of fat free miracle whip the welfare mom in front of you in the grocery store is arguing she can buy with her WIC voucher while the cashier tells her only the full fat miracle whip is eligible vs that GOP condiment pack of institutional mayonaise that has been laying on your dash all summer in the sun since you bought the bad chicken sandwich at the drive-thru.....

    So yes there is a difference.

  • MattXIV||

    They will burst into flames at the sight of Nick's leather jacket.



    That'd actually be pretty handy.

  • TLB||

    Wow.

    The airhead moderator kicked it over to the airhead "reporter", who simply got a stock speech from Richardson. There is nothing in what he said that he hasn't said several times before; it was wrong the first time and it's wrong now.

    The "reporter" didn't point out how he's wrong.

    Then, Biden regurgitated NYT propaganda.

    This is like a Soviet Union flashback.

  • SIV||

    Next question to Bill R: "Hey, you look like a Mexican. What'll you do about Mexicans?

    Arrest 'em for Cockfighting. This is the North American Union Pedro, we don't cotton to your "cultural traditions" here.

  • ||

    Perhaps Reason should sponsor a debate?

    What a hilarity that would be, eh?


    Like that YouTube shit but with only regular H&R posters asking questions?

    Nah, Ther isn't any politician brave enough to stand up to that. But it would be the best debate, ever.

  • ||

    SIV, I stand corrected.

    It's my birthday and

    he'll cry if he wants to.
    Oh, who's this Dudd character that we're ignoring? Ah, never mind, my chicken shitwich is getting cold.

  • ||

    9:31: Next question to Bill R: "Hey, you look like a Mexican. What'll you do about Mexicans?"

    That part nearly brought tears to my eyes

  • Guy Montag||

    This is like a Soviet Union flashback.

    Actually, that party has become nothing but a diluted continuation of the Soviet system. Except for the bits where they advocate National Socialism, like the latest Hillarycare.

  • Guy Montag||

    Cheap vodka to great vodka by charcoal filtering? Next on Mythbusters!

  • Guy Montag||

    Cheap vodka to great vodka by charcoal filtering? Next on Mythbusters!

    That myth makes it better, but NOT top shelf! MYTH BUSTED!

  • SIV||

    If I was a reporter I'd ask 'em about Reparations for Slavery.
    That is a good third rail question for Obama and Rodham.

  • Guy Montag||

    Obama remains pretty calm after a Russert "gotcha" on his experience.

    For gosh sakes, he has more experience than Honest Abe!

  • Guy Montag||

    If I was a reporter I'd ask 'em about Reparations for Slavery.
    That is a good third rail question for Obama and Rodham.


    For crying out loud, Abe and the Congress paid that out in 1862. Some issues never die.

  • SIV||

    Speaking of "Racial Issues" ESPN had a "Town Meeting" on Michael Vick in the ATL last night and the crowd booed the animal rights guy from HSUS.Better yet when asked if anyone thought dog fighting should be legal %80 of the crowd cheered and applauded (according to Neal Boortz who participated).

  • Guy Montag||

    I thought I accidentally switched to the debate and saw Kucinich, but the History Channel is showing "UFO Files" right now.

  • ||

    10:02: Obama pledges to "feed people Reason!" He wins. Have a good night!


    You want mayo wit dat?

  • MattXIV||

    Gravel first, challenged on his mountains of credit card debt, which he is proud of because he hates credit card companies.



    There were a lot of directions Gravel could have taken that. He could have just stuck with pointing out that personal business success isn't necessarily a good predictor of other abilities; I personally would have compared my personal fiscal failings to those of Mark Twain. Instead, he probably managed to damage his credit rating.

  • SIV||

    I thought I accidentally switched to the debate and saw Kucinich, but the History Channel is showing "UFO Files" right now.

    Kucinich is the only Democrat Party candidate on record for opposing "Space-Based Mind Control Weapons". Losing issue for the Dems, the Libertarian Party has a lock on that constituency.

  • SIV||

    He wants to raise taxes to pay for it

    Well isn't that the Dem answer to everything?

  • ||

    During this American Cancer Society ad I keep waiting for John Edwards to burst into the frame and start saying stupid things.

    I have almost no idea what you are referring to, but I nominate this for sentence of the year on Hit & Run. Totally awesome.

  • MattXIV||

    Did John Edwards just unironically say that we shouldn't listen to polticians who say the same thing over and over again about Social Security before trying to be as vague as possible on what he'd actually do about funding it?

    And did Dodd just name-checked Bob Dole?

  • Guy Montag||

    Kucinich is the only Democrat Party candidate on record for opposing "Space-Based Mind Control Weapons". Losing issue for the Dems, the Libertarian Party has a lock on that constituency.

    Typical hypocrite Dem! Or maybe that is just what the mother ship told hom to say?

  • TLB||

    Those who realize what's at stake and who realize the danger of entertainment offerings like these "debates" might want to get behind this proposal for real debates. Needless to say, neither the political establishment nor the media are going to trip over themselves pushing for a format like that, since it would reveal just how corrupt and incompetent both are.

  • SIV||

    Kucinich Space Weapons Bill


    What the Hell are Psychotronic weapons anyways?

  • SIV||


    10:21: Clinton points out that her husband's budget projections had the country on track to eliminate the debt until George W. Bush came and ruined it.


    Gotta make up those bumperstickers:


    VOTE FOR HILLARY....AND LET BILL DO IT

    Hey worked for George Wallace in getting around those pesky term limits...plus it will piss off some feminists.

  • Guy Montag||

    What the Hell are Psychotronic weapons anyways?

    Idunno, but even if they are made in france the 2nd Amendment expressly states that I have the right to keep and bear them!

  • SIV||

    Jesus, they're playing leapfrog to be the loudest one promising a smoking ban.

    Ban smoking....pay for healthcare with tobacco tax. The Dems really are the "Stupid Party"

  • ||

    "Clinton points out that her husband's budget projections had the country on track to eliminate the debt until George W. Bush came and ruined it."

    And I'd like to point out that if the Dutch were running a budget deficit of 300% GDP just before the tulip bulb bubble, and there was a .1% tax on capital gains from any sale of tulips, the Dutch would have been running a surplus of 200% GDP by the peak.
    Then as the bubble collapses we would see reversion to the mean.

  • Guy Montag||

    10:37: This debate is two hours long? Don't these people have jobs?

    I doubt it, but I do. Good night and happy birthday!

  • SIV||

    What is with the baboon baptizing the lion with dirt? In the Kimba the White Lion cartoons the baboons were like the bad guys.........


    Well I don't have cable where I'm at so if the live-blogging is over I'll quote the late Gordon Solie.......

    "So long from the Peach State of Georgia"

  • Jennifer||

    Happy birthday, David. I hope you have a grand party planned for this weekend, to make up for the time spent in the liveblogging trenches.

  • Thomas Paine\'s Goiter||

    Like that YouTube shit but with only regular H&R posters asking questions?

    My question would be:

    Mike Gravel, you have the mic for five minutes. Go.

  • ||

    Happy Birthday Dave!
    And for a special happy birthday song, go here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUt-W54HMPc
    and watch at 1:10...
    Ri-di-dip-dip it's your birthday!

  • Les||

    Yeah, Happy Birthday, Dave. You are a funny, funny man. Thanks.

  • ||

    Happy birthday, David! And you are one stellar debate commentator!

    You need a fine party band for your celebration. I can think of no better party band than the B52s. Here's "Rock lobster"!:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UqKRGW6_rw&mode=related&search=

  • ||

    people (meaning me) are debated-satiated. if this keeps going by 08 its gonna be like married with children reruns and no ones gonna wanna vote

  • Bill Cooke||

    Do any of these clowns realize that we have a Constitution? What in that gives them authority to ban smoking or to do any of the other things they are talking about? Kucinich keeps talking about the Constitution, but I think he is talking about the old Soviet Constitution.

  • ||

    I saw only a little of the end of the debate, and I realized how hard it would be to run for president. I mean, in this short time, there were two absolutely irrelevant questions that would absolutely disqualify me from ever being president....

    1) Q. What's your favorite Bible passage? A. Le 20:17 - "If a man lies with a man as he does with a woman, they shall surely be put to death. Their blood will be on their own hands." - because it points out the deranged evil so pervasive in that god-awful book.

    2) Q. Red Sox or Yankees? A. I couldn't care less.

  • ||

    Please alert me if there's news, if Biden tackles Richardson to the floor and screams "RAHOWA" or something.

    That's freakin' hilarious.

  • VM||

    Well, played, David! And Happy birthday!

  • ||

    Hey VM! Perhaps you should offer David a birthday tune as well since you're hep to a vast repertoire!

  • VM||

  • ||

    Brilliant, VM! I knew we could count on you. Altered Images!-why didn't I remember their Birthday song?? It's quite good and she's really cute. I hope you dug those, David.

  • Guy Montag||

    Is this what Ezra Klein means by we need mor historians?

    I really think he wants more hysterians, but that's just me.

  • Guy Montag||

    sorry, wrong post

  • Guy Montag||

    But,. something I thought of today . . .

    Did anybody notice that Dave stopped schilling for the Dems, or was this something I missed a few weeks ago when I was not reading this site?

  • ||

    Happy birthday, David!

  • Bob||

    Democratic Debate VI? I guess you missed the other two dozen or so debates that have occured in this ridiculously long and mind-numbing campaign season.

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