Katherine Mangu-Ward | July 24, 2007
Sometimes these things
just write themselves:
The U.S. Agriculture Department has been paying farm subsidies to thousands of people who are dead, in some cases for many years, say congressional investigators.
(Semi-literally) grisly details about what it's like on farms where the rooster crows not just at dawn, but the dawn of the dead.
A report by the Government Accountability Office says USDA paid $1.1 billion in subsidies to 172,801 dead people between 1999 through 2005. Forty percent of that money went to people who had been for at least three years, the report found.
Nineteen percent went to individuals who had been dead for at least seven years.
In a case involving an Illinois farm, USDA made $400,000 in payments from 1999 through 2005 in the name of someone who died in 1995, the report said.
Check out reason's appropriately titled "Six Reasons to Kill Farm Subsidies" and much, much more on farm policy here.
Also, apparently there's a movie called Zombie Farm. Does the U.S.D.A. know something we don't? And are they in cahoots with Hollywood?
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Any idea what happened to the money? I RTFA but it didn't
mention it.
One competent auditor may be able to free up some of that money, if
someone hasn't already run off with it (which I assume is the
case).
One competent auditor may be able to free up some of that
money
"Well, it was a grueling six months, gentlemen, but I've finally
got all of that ridiculous subsidy money accounted for and ready to
return to the taxpaye...hey, what's so funny guys?"
And Michael Moore wants these people to run health
care.
Maybe so, Michael P, but under Moore's plan, there will be
no dead people to pay.
We'll live forever! Happy and healthy! For free!
I can see it being "Farmer Brown kacked and his wife or son
continued to file the required welfare paperwork in dead dad's
name"
One of the keys to dealing with the government these days is not
calling attention to yourself if you can help it, lest they love
you to death like Lenny Small outta "Grapes of Wrath" (or is it
Elmyra Duff offa "Tiny Toons"?)
Wow. I gotta see that. The first horror movie inspired by the
WoT.
Hell has been unleashed on the small town of Muerto Verde when
inbred cannibal farmers are turned into zombies after
Taliban warriors poison the local water supply.
The only hope for humanity are two FBI agents and four party-crazed
college students.
Now I understand why we fight!
And Michael Moore wants these people to run health
care.
I'm not sure about that - farm subsidies are a Republican welfare
scheme. He'd probably prefer a different group of people to run
healh care.
There's also Invasion of the
Blood Farmers!
They planted the LIVING and harvested the DEAD!
Wait just a second here guys. This sounds like payoff money to
me. What makes more sense: the federal government is incompetent or
the federal government is secretly providing for our zombie
protection until a greedy politician accidentally exposes the
horrible truth - dooming us until the swashbuckling Obama\Giuliani
hybrid fights off the horde with a bible launching crossbow? I
thought so.
Look - I will be the first to sell out my limited government
principles in the face of a zombie apocalypse. If it takes wearing
Milton Friedman's corpse to blend in then that's what it takes.
Never forget!
Dan T(oohey) said: "farm subsidies are a Republican welfare
scheme"
Are you saying that Democrats running for president don't have
early primary elections in Iowa? Or that they're all high-minded
people who can resist the temptation to pander? Or that all the
Democratic presidential candidates came out early, loudly, and
often in favor of ending these stupid subsiddies? Or that these
subsidies vanished when Clinton, Carter, etc. vetoed them, only to
be resurrected when a Republican got back into the White House? Or
that the new Democratic majorities in Congress promised to end farm
subsidies?
If you're gonna play Devil's Advocate, Dan, try thinking first
whether what you're saying comports at all with reality.
There's also Invasion of the Blood Farmers!
I never thought I would encounter another person who has seen that
movie (other than the people who watched it with me). Just one more
reason to heart Reason. It brings us together!
"farm subsidies are a Republican welfare scheme""
The New Deal was a Republican scheme? I missed that one in my
history books.
Both parties are more than happy to buy votes with farm
subsidies.
If you're gonna play Devil's Advocate, Dan, try thinking
first whether what you're saying comports at all with
reality.
Do not fee the trolls.
"...U.S. Agriculture Department..."
"...USDA paid $1.1 billion in subsidies to 172,801 dead people
between 1999 through 2005."
Well written article, huh?
Episiarch,
I was lucky (and old enough) to have a video store near my house
that bought everything that ever came out on VHS. I've seen many,
many wonderfully bad movies.
I just took a look at the Blood Farmers trivia on
imdb:
# According to the director, most of the cast members worked
for a six-pack of beer as payment.
# The film was shot over three weekends, with a $24,000 budget. It
never made its money back.
Awesome!
He'd probably prefer a different group of people to run healh care.
Actually, the same union-member beaurocrats run government agencies
regardless of who is in charge, with the exception of a politically
appointed figurehead. And I am sure the last thing in the world
Michael Moore supports is getting rid of unionized government
workers.
Or did you think that G. W. Bush and members of congress actually
make out subsidy checks themselves in their spare time?
bureaucrats. The word is bureaucrats.
If you're going to base your entire worldview around fear and
loathing of a group of people, fer chrissakes learn to spell the
word.
Or did you think that G. W. Bush and members of congress
actually make out subsidy checks themselves in their spare
time?
No, they hire someone else to do it.
SugarFree,
I am lucky enough to have a friend who is a horror movie expert,
and has a circle of like-minded enthusiasts who manage to find and
expose me to some truly great and truly awful movies.
Truly awful movies are an acquired taste, but very satisfying once
you approach them the right way.
farm subsidies are a Republican welfare scheme
Which would explain why Bu-shitler's Ag Secy recently proposed
cutting off subsidies for any farmers earning more than 200k per
year.
jh,
I used to think Dan played "devil's advocate," but he's admitted to
being a troll (he said it was "fun" and I can only imagine he
giggled as he typed it). He has a solidly documented reputation as
being dishonest (deliberately misrepresenting people's arguments).
I only came to my senses last week (I'm kind of slow). It really is
best to ignore him.
If you're going to base your entire worldview around fear and
loathing of a group of people, fer chrissakes learn to spell the
word.
joe never actually debates me... he either complains about my
spelling, or accuses me of being paranoid. Sometimes both.
For the record, I am not afraid of bureaucrats... I am afraid of
the people with guns and combat boots and closeted hatred of brown
people that are usually called to enforce the will of those
bureaucrats.
If the bureaucrats wanted to start a voluntary commune, where every
detail of life could be bureaucraticly controlled, and recorded on
paper in triplicate, more power to them! I would even fight and
give my life for their right to live out their twisted, demented
fantasies!
You see, I respect your right to self-oppression joe! I just wish
you people could keep your subconcious longing for a father-figure
from interfering in my life.
Forty percent of that money went to people who had been for
at least three years, the report found.
Nineteen percent went to individuals who had been dead for at least
seven years.
So? 72% of congressional salaries (not counting pensions) go to
congresspersons who have been brain dead for 10 years or
longer.
Rex Rhino
Just wondering. To which union do the bureaucrats running
government programs belong?
Just wondering. To which union do the bureaucrats running government programs belong?
American Federation of Government Employees, AFL-CIO.
American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees,
AFL-CIO.
Service Employees International Union, AFL-CIO.
American Postal Workers Union, APWU
National Association of Letter Carriers, NALC
National Postal Mail Handlers Union, NPMHU National Rural Letter
Carriers Association, NRLCA
National Association of Postmasters, NAPUS
National Association of Postal Supervisors, NAPS
National League of Postmasters
These are just a few. Virtually all government workers are
unionized.
Say, I just read something that suggested that many, if not most, unions peg pay (or pay increases) to the federal minimum wage. Is that true?
Rex Rhino
I'm pretty sure that the guys RUNNING the programs don't belong to
those unions listed. Am I wrong?
I'm pretty sure that the guys RUNNING the programs don't belong to those unions listed. Am I wrong?
Yes... I explicitly mentioned the whole politically appointed
figureheads thing. But the people who write the checks for farm
subsidies for dead people, and the people who are going to reject
your kids request for an MRI after he bangs up his knee playing
hockey, are most certainly lifetime unionized government employees.
Neither one has to worry about losing their job for either
decision, and Michael Moore most certainly doesn't want to replace
those people.
The film was shot over three weekends, with a $24,000
budget. It never made its money back.
Of course movie not make money back. Zombie eat brains, not
zucchini.
Rex Rhino
First, many of those employees are not union members. My mother
spent many years working for the Small Business Administration
working her way up from a secretarial position to become a senior
loan officer. She wouldn't be caught dead belonging to a
union.
Second, during her years as a government official I am aware of
people who lost their positions for cause. I have belonged to
several unions over the years and have yet to find one that could
(or would want to) protect the jobs of people who didn't perform
their jobs.
Third, some government employees take pride in in making good use
of the funds they are responsible for and genuinely care for their
clients. However,they are only as good and efficient as the
policies of the agency for which they work.
Say, I just read something that suggested that many, if not
most, unions peg pay (or pay increases) to the federal minimum
wage. Is that true?
It is true. This is the real reason for the push to increase the
min wage, it is a backdoor raise for all the unions.
lest they love you to death like Lenny Small outta "Of
Mice and Men"
FTFY, but I get the point
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