Michael C. Moynihan | June 22, 2007
A Washington Times editorial comes out in support of Adam Kokesh, the Iraq War veteran whose honorable discharge was downgraded to a general discharge for wearing his uniform, stripped of insignia, to an anti-war protest.
We're likely to see more cases like Mr. Kokesh's in the future, so it's worth considering whether this treatment was justified. Indeed it would be wholly fitting punishment for an active-duty soldier, Marine or drilling reservist, who should never be seen moving around Washington in uniform at political demonstrations. Mr. Kokesh's case is not so clear. We think the Corps should have erred on the side of leniency
Mr. Kokesh is, for all practical purposes, no longer in the service. When the protest episode occurred, he had mere weeks remaining as member of the Individual Ready Reserve, which at any given time consists of about 112,000 veterans returning to civilian life. A member's only duties are to keep a uniform, keep an I.D. card, notify authorities when changing addresses and, crucially, respond to the president's call in cases of national emergency. The Marine Corps had told Mr. Kokesh that it did not want him back. And the stripping-down of the uniform blurs things. Military lawyers can wrangle over how much this matters, but it's clear that Mr. Kokesh was simply a guy at a protest in camouflage pants. People listened to him because he's an Iraq veteran with fiery antiwar views.
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The Veterans of Foreign Wars recently and rightly criticized the treatment of Mr. Kokesh. "Trying to hush up and punish fellow Americans for exercising the same democratic rights we're trying to instill in Iraq is not what we're all about," says VFW chief Gary Kurplus. "Someone in the Marine Corps needs to exercise a little common sense and put an end to this matter before it turns into a circus."
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Someone in the Marine Corps needs to exercise a little
common sense and put an end to this matter before it turns into a
circus.
Doot doot doodle doo doo doot doot doo doot.
Hey, once you join the military, you give up certain rights,
like all the protections of the Constitution that you're allegedly
fighting for.
Or something.
Ah fuck, this guy got hosed.
Just because, technically, he broke the rules (UCMJ, Navy Regulations) doesn't mean you have to hammer the guy. Hell, they could have given him a reduction in rank, suspended, and made their point. This is vindictive bullshit. There is a huge difference between an Honorable and a General discharge. Benefits, prospective employer perceptions etc. It's like taking a sledgehammer to a fly.
Mr. Kokesh was simply a guy at a protest in camouflage
pants.
If he bought the clothes at an army surplus store, he'd be getting
the exact same hassle.
Since he'd been over to Iraq, what better person to speak out and say it's not such a good idea to be over there? Compared to Jane Fonda cozying up to the N. Vietnamese, what he did was pretty tame.
"Indeed it would be wholly fitting punishment for an active-duty
soldier, Marine or drilling reservist, who should never be seen
moving around Washington in uniform at political
demonstrations."
Unless ordered to attend a policy rally in uniform by the
President, or his commander, in which case he should charged with
disobeying an order if he does not appear in full uniform, with all
insignia present, and stand and clap as indicated by the rally's
organizers.
Yes, but the uniform in question was for a Catholic high school. Why do you ask?
Well, I was all for leniency when I was under the impression
that he had already been discharged before attending the rally. In
fact he was still in the IRR, just like me, and could have attended
in civilian clothes, just like I did, but he didn't and he is
getting what he deserves. He ought to be happy that he is making an
even bigger 'statement' and getting a lot more attention than he
planned.
Oh, as for the writer of the article, this bit of double-speak
should get an award:
Mr. Kokesh is, for all practical purposes, no longer in the service. When the protest episode occurred, he had mere weeks remaining as member of the Individual Ready Reserve, which at any given time consists of about 112,000 veterans returning to civilian life.
Did this guy invent the phrase "a little pregnant" too?
Would a person wearing camouflage without insignia count as a
uniformed combatant under the Geneva Conventions?
If so, then he's in uniform. If not, then he's out of uniform.
I'd like know specifically what he was wearing. Anyone can purchase and wear military uniform items. I wear old BDU pants and an old field jacket when I go camping but i'm not "in uniform" because there are no distinctive military insignia on them. How "stripped down" his uniform was is key. If he had chevrons, USMC nametape over the pocket, ribbons/medals, etc., then he likely violated the rule against attending rallys in uniform. But if it was just camo pants, this sounds bogus.
I guess it's not possible that Kokesh is getting more attention
than all of the other soldiers who have done this because he has
become a major darling of the gay media/blogosphere, (because he is
cute and built like a brick shithouse. Seriously, find me a gay
blog/publication without a piece on Kokesh.)
They have to do something with the half-billion dollars a year they
blow on DADT. (Besides firing most of the only available arabic
translators.)
thoreau,
Oh, DAMN!
On their home field, too. Boo Yah!
Anyway, I've been watching people in full uniform, with insignia,
sit in the audience and clap during speeches by George Bush, Dick
Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld, which are organized by the White House
for the purpose of campaigning, and contain partisan political
statements indistinguishable from their stump speeches.
Not a single one of them has ever been disciplines - in fact, they
were usually ordered to be there.
Kokesh was wearing Marine Patterened digital camoflauge (MARPAT)
and a reasonble subset of our patrol gear. There is no practical
way to "strip down" the insignia, as there are small Marine Corps
emblems in the digital pattern itself (a version without the
emblems is available for civilian and other uses). As to the
removal of rank, well, he continued to refer to himself as
Sergeant, though I was in the NJP that broke him down to
Corporal... so who knows what he was really wearing. Concur with
Guy Montag on the weasel-words and flexible view of the law held by
the article author (if two or three weeks is no big deal, why
didn't he just wait?).
He's a personable enough guy, but not nearly as smart or articulate
as he thinks he is... but he's no dummy. Watch for him to be
running for office in a few years. I'll bet dollars to donuts that
his current posturing will, in a very Kerry-like way, figure large
in his campaign. He's building his resume and establishing his
creds. And posturing it is... none of his anti-war stance developed
until we busted him for smuggling home a weapon from Iraq in 2004,
and didn't manifest while he was fighting to get to go with us in
2006 (but was on legal hold for the above-mentioned violation).
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