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Feds Continue to Assert World Jurisdiction
Federal officials are contemplating "punitive action" against Boston Red Sox pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka. Seems Matsuzaka endorsed a brand of beer and, in a television commercial, actually took a sip of said beer. That's a violation of (stupid) U.S. alcohol regulations.
Here's the problem: It was a Japanese beer. And the TV commercial aired only in Japan.
Japanese TV execs had better be careful. This, after all, is the age of the Internets. Should U.S. consumers watch Matsuzaka drink beer on their computers, then be lured to demon alcohol, the TV execs could find themselves in handcuffs next time they're laid over at a U.S. airport.
|2.13.07 @ 1:53PM|#
If we're gonna police the world, why stop at beer? The amount of
thoroughly obscene phrases that appear on sites like Japanese
Engrish should be enough to jail the entire culture.
Maybe we could build camps for them...
toxicroach|2.13.07 @ 1:54PM|#
I saw that commercial, and now I'm an alcoholic.
PROTECT ME NANNY STATE!
|2.13.07 @ 2:00PM|#
Sip of beer? He drained a 22 ounce beer in, according to my estimates, two seconds flat. He's clearly getting prepped to roger an ugly chick. We can't have that.
norbizness|2.13.07 @ 2:02PM|#
I want to see the Dock Ellis commercial for LSD: "I pitched a no-hitter on that shit!"
Guy Montag|2.13.07 @ 2:05PM|#
Yet again Radley is posting pictures
to further his agenda. This time it is Big Beer Japan and MLB,
rather than the perfectly justifiable war in Iraq!
Better get our comments in before you-know-who gets here :)
|2.13.07 @ 2:05PM|#
This is an obvious attempt to bait Ted Kennedy.
NEVER bait Ted Kennedy! You FOOL!
|2.13.07 @ 2:07PM|#
Ok, what Eisenhower-era bluenosed fucktard came up with this regulation and why is it still on the books?
Jennifer|2.13.07 @ 2:08PM|#
The problem, Guy, is that Radley didn't do a Balanced Job; he showed us a picture of some dude who drank a beer and smiled, without showing another picture of some dude who drinks a beer and then barfs all over himself.
Guy Montag|2.13.07 @ 2:10PM|#
Ok, what Eisenhower-era bluenosed fucktard came up with this
regulation and why is it still on the books?
I think it is relatively new, has something to do with that MLB
anti-trust exemption and makes as much sense as making Winston stop
sponsoring NASCAR.
Guy Montag|2.13.07 @ 2:13PM|#
Jennifer,
The problem, Guy, is that Radley didn't do a Balanced Job; he
showed us a picture of some dude who drank a beer and smiled,
without showing another picture of some dude who drinks a beer and
then barfs all over himself.
Ah, thank you. My guy brain was just getting to that part, but I
though it was unbalanced because there was not a picture of someone
else from the other league drinking Bud.
Did DW write the "fairness doctrine" or something?
Jennifer|2.13.07 @ 2:14PM|#
Now that I think about it, Radley's probably afraid to show us a picture of a guy who drinks a beer and then throws up, because if he does that Nick Gillespie will fire him. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Guy Montag|2.13.07 @ 2:16PM|#
Now that I think about it, Radley's probably
afraid to show us a picture of a guy who drinks a
beer and then throws up, because if he does that Nick Gillespie
will fire him. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Yea, that secret Big Beer agenda that I hit on earlier!
Guy Montag|2.13.07 @ 2:17PM|#
the TV execs could find themselves in handcuffs next time
they're laid over at a U.S. airport.
If it is a hot chick with the handcuffs, sign me up! But I refuse
to pay extra.
|2.13.07 @ 2:21PM|#
According to Arthur Resnick, director of public and media
affairs for the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau in
Washington, D.C., Matsuzaka’s Asahi ad may merit punitive
action.
According to fish, complete non-entity, go fuck yourself!
The United States ends not with a bang or whimper.....but with high
pitched girlish giggling!
Jennifer|2.13.07 @ 2:22PM|#
Details of the Big Beer agenda can be found in a nifty little book called The Protocols of the Elders of Reason.
Cross-posted from the Ty Ziege|2.13.07 @ 2:24PM|#
Dave W. | February 13, 2007, 1:28pm | #
To get back to the thread, I think Ty Ziegel's story is well worth
reading when told in words instead of pictures:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article1294008.ece
Mr. Ziegel does a great job speaking for himself. He comes off
funny, smart and not like anybody's propaganda device. . . .
Guy Montag|2.13.07 @ 2:32PM|#
Details of the Big Beer agenda can be found in a nifty
little book called The Protocols of the Elders of
Reason.
Does it have anything in there about the Elders being able to
travel in time, or did the Elders go back and delete that?
Matt L,
Does this mean that Radley is secretly promoting a Yankee agenda
with his blatant bias?
Bhh|2.13.07 @ 2:39PM|#
Beer's mediocre, but you can get it in vending machines.
I hope other countries start randomly pulling our CEOs off
airplanes.
Tupac\'s Ghost|2.13.07 @ 2:40PM|#
Hey, I know that the right of Japanese-cum-American baseball superstars to drink beer on American TV is of paramount importance but in case anyone cares about the future of tens of millions of US children, the state of Utah just passed universal school choice. This may-or may not-be the start of a revolution.
Thomas Kimball|2.13.07 @ 2:45PM|#
Since when can our government tell us whether or not we can
drink a beer in a commercial?
Where do we live? China? North Korea..
|2.13.07 @ 2:46PM|#
Mmm... beer. If I drink Asahi I can pitch for the Red Sox! But then I couldn't drink beer. Nevermind.
|2.13.07 @ 2:50PM|#
Does this mean that Radley is secretly promoting a Yankee
agenda with his blatant bias?
Guy,
Yes. The evil empire strikes again.
|2.13.07 @ 2:53PM|#
Actually Tupac's Ghost, the issue is whether the US gov't can attempt to penalize a foreign citizen who works in the US for shooting a commercial in his own country that would be illegal in the US.
lunchstealer|2.13.07 @ 2:55PM|#
According to Arthur Resnick, director of
public and media affairs for the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade
Bureau in Washington, D.C., Matsuzaka's Asahi ad may merit punitive
action.
Does anybody else suddenly picture a government bureaucrat dressed
in a moth costume?
Andy|2.13.07 @ 2:59PM|#
I imagine its hard to legislate in a giant bunny suit...
MOTH!!! IT'S A MOTH!!!
Guy Montag|2.13.07 @ 3:00PM|#
According to fish, complete non-entity, go fuck
yourself!
A Chinese
diplomat might have a problem with your unlicensed usage.
Tym|2.13.07 @ 3:03PM|#
How the hell does the US have jrisdiction over a Japanese
comercial that was presumably filmed in Japan and aired in Japan
only?
And what diference does it make? What the hell else do you do with
beer?
Jennifer|2.13.07 @ 3:03PM|#
The book explains the real reason Gillespie always
wears that leather jacket of his. It's quite disturbing.
I'd say more, but I'm too afraid.
Devin McCullen|2.13.07 @ 3:05PM|#
Do Hollywood celebrities still go over to Japan to do ads that never get shown here (see Bill Murray in Lost in Translation)? I'm wondering if some of them might have fallen afoul of this rule. You have to admit a similar scandal involving Charlie Sheen would be a lot more entertaining.
Guy Montag|2.13.07 @ 3:10PM|#
The book explains the real reason Gillespie
always wears that leather jacket of his. It's quite
disturbing.
Oh, I know that one, the same reason I wear my sheep skin bomber
jacket.
I'd say more, but I'm too afraid.
Oh, that's okay, let me give you a little hug and a fine glass of
Japanese beer. Need a ride? I think you need a ride, you are
getting sleepy . . .
Dan T.|2.13.07 @ 3:22PM|#
Just to show that I don't always disagree with the consensus around here, I concur that the American government should not concern itself with Japanese TV ads.
|2.13.07 @ 3:23PM|#
Let's be fair.
Due to the victorious end of the wars on drugs, organized crime,
espionage, financial crime, terror, cigarettes, alcohol,
pornography, etc. federal law enforcement has been grossly
under-employed. Because of the near elimination of serious crime in
the United States, these agencies have to seek out new markets
abroad.
You wouldn't old Resnick and his buddies to lose their jobs now,
would you.
|2.13.07 @ 3:30PM|#
Guy Montag | February 13, 2007, 3:00pm | #
According to fish, complete non-entity, go fuck yourself!
A Chinese diplomat might have a problem with your unlicensed
usage.
Great, Just Great...now I need to be a credentialed member of the
diplomatic mission to tell Arthur to F off!
Just PNG me right now!
mediageek|2.13.07 @ 3:30PM|#
"You wouldn't old Resnick and his buddies to lose their jobs
now, would you."
Yeah, actually, I think that'd be kind of nice.
Thomas Paine\'s Goiter|2.13.07 @ 3:33PM|#
From the comments on tothepeople:
Those libertarian Republicans...
yoyo | 02.12.07 - 5:58 pm | #
WTF?
|2.13.07 @ 3:36PM|#
"" He's clearly getting prepped to roger an ugly chick. We can't
have that.""
You mean I've been wrong all my life!
The feds will get squashed before they get out the gate. But it
does show the "regulate the world" stance within this
government.
If we keep down this path we will be deserving of a slapdown, and
frankly, I don't like what that implies.
|2.13.07 @ 3:38PM|#
"Do Hollywood celebrities still go over to Japan to do ads that
never get shown here"
I saw some pretty funny schwartzneggar ones on Conan O'Brien a
month or so ago.
|2.13.07 @ 4:14PM|#
This may-or may not-be the start of a revolution.
I'm betting my pinky that it's the latter.
|2.13.07 @ 4:21PM|#
Jennifer | February 13, 2007, 2:08pm | #
The problem, Guy, is that Radley didn't do a Balanced Job; he showed us a picture of some dude who drank a beer and smiled, without showing another picture of some dude who drinks a beer and then barfs all over himself.
Oh, Jennifer, you call yourself a journalist but you have no
interest in getting to the heart of the matter: If Radley posted a
picture like that he'd be fired from Reason.
We need to remedy this. Under my proposed plan, before he posts a
picture on the blog Radley Balko would have to consult a
psychiatric patient, and ask what sort of picture would provide the
appropriate balance. If he couldn't produce a videotape of the
consultation then the presumption would be that he didn't seek a
balanced presentation and strict liability would apply.
|2.13.07 @ 4:22PM|#
Come on, guys. We are the seat of the empire. Of course we have
global jurisdiction over every thing that offends our Imperial
masters be it internet gambling or beer commercials.
The entire nation of Japan should apologize profusely and send free
Lexus SUVs as tribute now, lest the Great Decider unleash the
legions stationed on their soil to punish them for their
insolence.
|2.13.07 @ 4:25PM|#
Ain't that some S@#T! Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer, Beer,
|2.13.07 @ 4:29PM|#
Beer's mediocre, but you can get it in vending
machines.
You can get beer in vending machines in Germany and it's good.
|2.13.07 @ 4:36PM|#
"Should U.S. consumers watch Matsuzaka drink beer on their
computers, then be lured to demon alcohol, the TV execs could find
themselves in handcuffs next time they're laid over at a U.S.
airport."
I have to admit that when I was a kid, I wasn't even a teenager
yet, I actually saw some people drinking beer in real life. ...with
my own virgin eyes.
I know, it still traumatizes me to this day, but it feels great to
get it all out in the open like this.
Dave W.|2.13.07 @ 5:08PM|#
Radley's probably afraid to show us a picture of a guy who
drinks a beer and then throws up, because if he does that Nick
Gillespie will fire him.
No. If Radley links to a picture of an Iraqi civilian, horribly
mutilated by a US bomb, then Nick Gillespie's boss will fire
him.
That was my contention and it stands because its true.
|2.13.07 @ 5:10PM|#
From Radley's link:
"Our jurisdiction runs to false and misleading ads," said Resnick,
who pointed to a 1995 ruling that says the bureau would consider
unacceptable any ad "which depicts any individual (famous athlete
or otherwise) consuming or about to consume an alcoholic beverage
prior to or during an athletic activity or event," or an ad that
states that drinking alcohol "will enhance athletic prowess,
performance at athletic activities or events, health or
conditioning."
David Wells supposedly pitched his perfect game drunk or hungover,
depending on which version you believe. If it is false advertising
they're after, Mstsuzaka has never pitched in a Red Sox uniform
before a screaming a crowd of people, as shown one of the closing
shots of the ad.
Anyway, if the feds actually did anything to Matsuzaka that would
in any way interfere with him throwing even a single pitch for the
Sox, you'd be looking at just about the whole of New England (minus
CT, shamefully) ready to secede. This might actually serve to get a
hell of a lot of people in an uproar about a stupid law.
|2.13.07 @ 5:14PM|#
Ken, you should sue over that trauma.
But there's no way that Radley Balko will blog about it, because
then he'd be fired.
|2.13.07 @ 5:24PM|#
Regarding the link in one of the posts above:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article1294008.ece
Am I the only one that found this paragraph disturbing?:
"Ty's sense of humour kept his spirits up through the long months
of recovery. His deadpan wit was one of the reasons Renee had
fallen for him. She was just 15 when Ty, an athletic, handsome
18-year-old, began working as a mechanic at her dad's garage. They
were barely more than children then, and kept their relationship a
secret from Renee's family. It was more of a flirtation. They would
mess around at the garage, both in their greasy overalls and
T-shirts."
They would "mess around at the garage"...when he was 18 and she was
only 15. I am pretty sure "messing around" didn't end with
patty-cake and footsies...and I believe there are laws against
that!
I know it's a different thread...my apologies :)
|2.13.07 @ 5:28PM|#
No. If Radley links to a picture of an Iraqi civilian,
horribly mutilated by a US bomb, then Nick Gillespie's boss will
fire him.
That was my contention and it stands because its true.
But Nick would only know to fire Radley by finding last month's
issue of reason with The National Mall Goes
Kitch bookmarked with a Morley cigarette butt.
Obbop|2.13.07 @ 5:39PM|#
Overthrow the USA federal government!!!!!
It is the greatest threat to American's freedoms in the entire
world.
|2.13.07 @ 5:44PM|#
I saw that commercial, and now I'm an alcoholic.
I just watched it and now I'm drunk and I wasn't even drinking...I
gonna jump in my convertible, drop the top, crank up the Ramones
and cruise around at high rates of speed...or not. It's 13 degrees
here in Denver. Hey! Do they have any marijuana commercials?
Full Disclosure: I'm not really into alcohol at all cept for a
little sometimes cuz a little is sposed to be good for ya. If I
ever start using dope again, I'm gonna eat it oatmeal cookies cuz I
don't like smoking anything.
|2.13.07 @ 5:52PM|#
athletic activities/events that I'm better at after at least 2
beers but less than 4 beers:
1. Golf
2. Bowling
3. Slow pitch softball
4. Pool
5. snow skiing
6. wakeboarding
The government lies!
Dave W.|2.13.07 @ 5:53PM|#
The other thing that caught my attention in that article is that Mr. Zeigel's injuries are not the type I would have expected from a suicide bomber.
|2.13.07 @ 5:56PM|#
>No. If Radley links to a picture of an Iraqi civilian,
horribly mutilated by a US bomb, then Nick Gillespie's boss will
fire him.
>That was my contention and it stands because its true.
The gauntlet has been thrown down! Let's see that
heartwrenching pic of of an Iraqi soldier injured by an American
soldier, Balko.
Whassa matter? Scared?
|2.13.07 @ 6:11PM|#
Oh right.
Rads: Make it an Iraqi civilian injured by a US soldier. The more
mutilated, the better for your journalistic cred.
mediageek|2.13.07 @ 6:26PM|#
*sniffle*
First Dave takes thoreau under his wing to teach him the evils of
corn syrup.
Then he takes Jennifer under his wing to teach her about
journalism.
I feel neglected.
Dave W.|2.13.07 @ 6:30PM|#
Actually, I think I had T. on the hook for something about how
he was lucky to get better healthcare than most people. I visited
the Ghost Of Consumer Choice Past on him many times to show him,
back when he was such a freekin' Luke, that things used to be less
consolidated in the med sec.
Jennifer I teach about the diff. btwn Transubstatiation and
consubstantiation. I hope she understands that the former kicks
a**, while the latter is a wet squib (I think I got that last bit
from Pius X preacher Fr. Williamson).
lunchstealer|2.13.07 @ 6:58PM|#
Wow. Dave W's fantasy world is really boring. Get this man some shrooms, stat!
Dave W.|2.13.07 @ 7:02PM|#
What fantasy world? All this stuff really happened.
Shrooms rock, tho. Srsly.
Rob|2.13.07 @ 7:05PM|#
Jeez... When are these Americans gunna learn that the USA is not the world. U.S laws ONLY operate IN THE U.S.A. If its not illegal to do something in $locale then the US authorities can do jack about it, bit of an ego blow isnt it?
mediageek|2.13.07 @ 7:12PM|#
"All this stuff really happened."
Please post links to back up your assertion.
thnks.
srsly.
Dave W.|2.13.07 @ 7:18PM|#
https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29908694&postID=6108846380143803519
as (Wr)Rik on The Young Ones said:
"Would you like some more?"
Jennifer|2.13.07 @ 7:43PM|#
Oh, Jennifer, you call yourself a journalist but you have no
interest in getting to the heart of the matter:
And if you read the book you'd know why. Gillespie, man. . . that
dude can seriously fuck you up if he wants. You have no
idea.
Don't read the book. Embrace your ignorance. Keep baa-ing with the
rest of the flock, little sheeple. You're probably happier that
way.
|2.13.07 @ 7:48PM|#
I don't think beer-drinking has anything to do with it. He wore a red sox jersey in a commercial without the expressed written consent of major league baseball. The penalty will be severe.
Jimmy Mills|2.13.07 @ 8:27PM|#
The need to also go after Ichiro and Matsui as they are both in
Beer Commercials as well. Matsui is sponsored by the same
company.
Feds need to stay out of Japanese Business!
|2.13.07 @ 9:21PM|#
Don't we already claim international jurisdiction with sex tourism laws? How is this new?
|2.13.07 @ 10:03PM|#
"Would you like some more?"
Yes, please. I don't see where you, Dave W. posted in that other
thread.
Dave W.|2.13.07 @ 10:20PM|#
first:
o. golly. u r right. many other sources may have been splaining to
jennifer that stuf.
second:
here is what happened when T. hurt:
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/113258.html
|2.13.07 @ 10:48PM|#
"Ken, you should sue over that trauma."
But look at the strapping young buck
I am now!
|2.13.07 @ 11:38PM|#
He's gonna play for the Redsux , they should arrest the whole friggin team. Rammone, get me a beer!
|2.14.07 @ 8:18AM|#
If we're dredging up old thread posts to score points, let's not forget This one.
Dave W.|2.14.07 @ 8:26AM|#
you know, this sort of fun and games is even less funny now that Guy Montag is threatening to kill me on a regular basis. If he ever succeeds, the management of this board is gonna be pretty sad they didn't scrub Phil's comments. My survivor's lawyers will be able to pay a whole lot of rent on the strength of that editorial oversight.
Guy Montag|2.14.07 @ 9:22AM|#
you know, this sort of fun and games is even less funny now
that Guy Montag is threatening to kill me on a regular
basis.
Dave W., what part of "I want you to live for a very long time" are
you reading as a death threat?
Must be that doublethink you love to express here.
Robert|2.14.07 @ 9:46AM|#
You want him to live a long time so you can keep killing him, over & over, on a regular basis.
Dave W.|2.14.07 @ 10:06AM|#
You want him to live a long time so you can keep killing
him, over & over, on a regular basis.
My wife likes Xandir. He's kinda gay for my tastes, not that
there's anything . . .
Guy Montag|2.14.07 @ 10:47AM|#
Dave W., better not let Burr see you bashing homosexuals like that or he will have a fit and imagine that you called him names.
|2.14.07 @ 12:14PM|#
Wow!
Ever since the weekend threads, things are getting weird. Excuse
me, weirder.
|2.14.07 @ 12:35PM|#
I for one do NOT welcome our new-ish prohibition-driven
overlords.
OK, I do welcome them.
But I will frown when I do so.
Once they turn around.
And are 4-5 paces away.
But once they're out of sight, I will revoke my welcome!
Dave W.|2.14.07 @ 2:42PM|#
Just so nobody thinks I am being cryptic, there is a running
joke that Xandir has a lot of lives and dies multiple times (eg,
the scene where he is repeatedly committing suicide). Robert's
comment brought that scene to mind.
Doesn't anybody use "TV Links" anymore?
Guy Montag|2.14.07 @ 9:35PM|#
Just so nobody thinks I am being cryptic,
I can not speak for others, but I think you are just being nutty
when you imagine that I want to kill you.
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