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Halliburton: We Don't Love That Dirty Water
Officials of Halliburton's KBR subsidiary, in charge of water quality in occupied Iraq and Kuwait, claim that for a time last year they were supplying Camp Junction City in Ramadi with water whose "level of contamination was roughly 2x the normal contamination of untreated water from the Euphrates River." The Marines stationed there did have bottled water for drinking, though the bad water was apparently used to make coffee, and another KBR employee reports "numerous instances of diarrhea and stomach cramps," says the AP report. Halliburton says it ain't so. This Guardian report has further details.
|1.23.06 @ 7:33PM|#
Yeah, down by the river
Down by the banks of the river Tigris
That's where you'll find me
Along with lovers, muggers, and thieves
Well I love that dirty water
Oh, Baghdad, you're my home
|1.23.06 @ 7:42PM|#
So much for free markets.
[psspssp] What?...Really?!
[pssppsspsspspps] Ohh!
Never mind, move along.
Nothing to see here.
|1.23.06 @ 8:10PM|#
On the musical note al-standells:
Dirty bottoms,
dirty bottoms,
talk about shit stains,
my soldier's got 'em
amazingdrx|1.23.06 @ 8:37PM|#
Yep industry self regulation. One of your very best causes oh
corporate friendly libertarians.
We civil libertarians are not so thrilled with it however.
Now go drink some sewage to show US how it won't hurt our
troops,you corporatist apologists.
Can't wait to hear the excuses on this one. It was Clinton's fault,
am I right? Hehey.
amazingdrx|1.23.06 @ 8:39PM|#
"funniest thing I've read in 5.62 years"
I gotta agree, hehehehehey.
SR you da man.
|1.23.06 @ 8:41PM|#
So there's a free market for drinking water companies, not just one company picked by the military? Glad to hear it, amazingdrx. You've really got a point then.
|1.23.06 @ 8:42PM|#
Yeah, soldiers and those we fight "for" usually get screwed over
pretty well.
amazingdrx:
Regulating what exactly? How would gov't regs change what was going
on out there? The water was supposed to be clean, no?
I think the Marines should get to fire KBR and bring in somebody
who gets the job done right.
|1.23.06 @ 8:48PM|#
I think the Marines should get to fire KBR and bring in
somebody who gets the job done right.
But...then it wouldn't be cronyism.
|1.23.06 @ 8:52PM|#
Shit, silly me. I'll never get my degree in economics if I can't understand something as simple as that!
|1.23.06 @ 9:02PM|#
I'm sorry to point this out but military coffee will give you stomach cramps even when made from perfect water.
|1.23.06 @ 9:24PM|#
amazingdrx,
Methinks you have zero understanding of free-market economics.
What, do you think it implies that there is no such thing as a
civil justice system?
|1.23.06 @ 10:12PM|#
Raw sewage entering the stream within two miles of the intake? In an ideal world this would be prohibited, but there's a war on. Just double the chlorine. I question the veracity of this report - there is no benefit to the company in violating standards.
|1.23.06 @ 10:57PM|#
I'm shocked--shocked!--that a government contractor delivered inferior quality.
amazingdrx|1.23.06 @ 11:26PM|#
"Can't wait to hear the excuses on this one"
I knew it! A laff riot, thanks all. Hehehey.
You wacky wing nuts.
Dave W.|1.24.06 @ 6:06AM|#
Amazingdoctorareex:
These commenters, it was recently explained to me, are "miniature
anarchists." That means that they are libertarians about all gov't
activity except military, which is vitally needed or everyone dies.
Sure its cowardly, but ya can't prove'em wrong! Its a cush
racket.
|1.24.06 @ 7:16AM|#
Sorry to ruin all your fun, but what we have hear are three individuals who left KBR on unfiendly terms and are trying to get money out of them. I am a peopnw how actually does the testing of the water. Unfortuantely it is cleaner than the stuff coming out of my tap back in the states. And we have enough records kept here to choke a horse,
|1.24.06 @ 7:19AM|#
Sorry to ruin all your fun, but what we have hear are three individuals who left KBR on unfiendly terms and are trying to get money out of them. I am a peopnw how actually does the testing of the water. Unfortuantely it is cleaner than the stuff coming out of my tap back in the states. And we have enough records kept here to choke a horse,
|1.24.06 @ 7:21AM|#
Sorry to ruin all your fun, but what we have hear are three individuals who left KBR on unfiendly terms and are trying to get money out of them. I am a peopnw how actually does the testing of the water. Unfortuantely it is cleaner than the stuff coming out of my tap back in the states. And we have enough records kept here to choke a horse,
Dave W.|1.24.06 @ 8:30AM|#
Sorry to ruin all your fun, but what we have hear are three
individuals who left KBR on unfiendly terms and are trying to get
money out of them. I am a peopnw how actually does the testing of
the water. Unfortuantely it is cleaner than the stuff coming out of
my tap back in the states. And we have enough records kept here to
choke a horse,
are you saying that you, Golldie, are on friendly terms with KBR
and still do get money from them?
|1.24.06 @ 9:31AM|#
And we have enough records kept here to choke a
horse,
And? I bet the rest of that sentence is killer, but I may never
know :(
|1.24.06 @ 9:55AM|#
"SR, that's the goddamned funniest thing I've read in 5.62
years."
Thank you, I try!
|1.24.06 @ 10:13AM|#
"I question the veracity of this report - there is no benefit to
the company in violating standards."
Well, there's the money and effort they save in not addressing the
problem quickly. Obviously, this would be outweighed by the loss of
business (in a free market) or enforcement activities by the
government (if there was strong oversight). But the former is
obviously not the case, and KBR apparently felt safe enough from
the latter to let this slide.
|1.24.06 @ 10:16AM|#
Actually I'm not sure this is a failure of the "free market
system".
It's more like a failure of the "Lets Use No-Bid Contracts to
Funnel Billions of Dollars of Taxpayer Money to Our Cronies and the
Company We Used to Be The CEO Of" system.
fyodor|1.24.06 @ 10:56AM|#
Government no-bid contractors have more incentive than government agencies to hold down internal costs, but that's about it. Otherwise they have about as much to do with the free market as the Division of Motor Vehicles.
|1.24.06 @ 11:02AM|#
Deliberately reducing the combat effectiveness of soldiers in a war zone could be grounds for charges of treason. But I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
fyodor|1.24.06 @ 11:05AM|#
Jennifer,
I'm no lawyer, but I suspect it would be difficult to prove that
the motive was to diminish the military's fighting capability.
|1.24.06 @ 11:06AM|#
Deliberately reducing the combat effectiveness of soldiers
in a war zone could be grounds for charges of treason.
Oh come on, we all know the only way to commit treason is to
criticize the President!
|1.24.06 @ 11:07AM|#
I'm no lawyer, but I suspect it would be difficult to prove
that the motive was to diminish the military's fighting
capability.
Motive doesn't matter; results do. People who, for example, sell
secrets to the enemy aren't able to avoid charges of treason
because their motive was merely to make money, not to undercut our
own security.
Captain Holly|1.24.06 @ 11:14AM|#
water whose "level of contamination was roughly 2x the
normal contamination of untreated water from the Euphrates
River."
So the total coliform count per mL was 200, instead of 100? Dear
God! How ever will we survive?
Here's a hint to the non-microbiologists out there: A two-fold
difference in the number of bacteria is peanuts. It's not
even significant. Adequate chlorination will take care of most of
it.
To really be a problem, the difference has to be in log cycles,
meaning 10, 100, and 1,000-fold differences. You'd be surprised how
often your municipal water supplier has a 2-fold increase in
bacteria.
I have found that when liberals hear the word "Haliburton", they
react similarly to Miracle Max, when his wife said "Humperdink" out
loud (obscure cultural reference for the day). It's kind of a
magical power word, a shibboleth embodying all that is evil and
wrong with the Bush Administration. They hear it and instantly lose
all capacity for logic and reason.
|1.24.06 @ 11:23AM|#
Here's a hint to the non-microbiologists out there: A
two-fold difference in the number of bacteria is peanuts. It's not
even significant.
It was apparently significant enough to cause gastrointestinal
problems for the soldiers. Maybe they would have stopped puking if
only someone had explained to them that the amount of bacteria in
their bellies was too small to matter.
|1.24.06 @ 11:26AM|#
That's great, Captain, except that the level was not "2X
military standards for drinking water."
It was 2X the level of untreated water from the sewage-infused
Euphrates River.
YOU drink some untreated water from the Euphrates River, and let us
know how your tummy feels 36 hours later. Go'head. You first.
|1.24.06 @ 11:27AM|#
"are you saying that you, Golldie, are on friendly terms
with KBR and still do get money from them?"
I love how Dave W. operates:
If someone makes a comment on something, it's just idle speculation
(unless it's his comment, which is delivered from Almighty God via
a couple of winged, ethereally-lit angels who have the truth
engraved on a chunk of solid gold sitting on a silver
platter.)
But if someone who actually has some insight from personal
experience with the topic at hand shows up, then they are obviously
on the take, and nothing they say can be taken at face value, and
their motives (never their statements, mind you) are questioned in
a veiled attempt to accuse the person of being a lawyer.
Dave W.: He makes his own reality.
|1.24.06 @ 11:28AM|#
I cannot believe this. Even something which should be obvious, like "it's bad to give soldiers in a warzone drinking water infested with sewage" has apologists viewing it through a partisan lens.
|1.24.06 @ 11:28AM|#
"...veiled attempt to accuse the person of being a
lawyer."
Freudian slip, I meant to say "liar" not "lawyer."
|1.24.06 @ 11:29AM|#
The 2x is not the point. The things that matter are:
1) They were hired to give clean water, and they didn't.
2) The water that they gave was actually worse than untreated river
water. Yeah, I know, 2x isn't all that much worse, it's really just
comparable to the river. The fact remains that they took something
bad and actually found a way to make it worse. Maybe not a lot
worse, but worse. Which is quite an accomplishment.
|1.24.06 @ 11:30AM|#
Mediageek, in fairness to Dave W., had this been the first time Halliburton was accused of shenanigans overseas they'd be more deserving of the benefit of the doubt. But that is not the case.
|1.24.06 @ 11:30AM|#
Even something which should be obvious, like "it's bad to
give soldiers in a warzone drinking water infested with sewage" has
apologists viewing it through a partisan lens.
Maybe gaius marius was right...
|1.24.06 @ 11:33AM|#
when he said that we have descended into jacobinism, and are on the verge of imploding, ms. jennifer.
|1.24.06 @ 11:34AM|#
"Maybe not a lot worse, but worse. Which is quite an
accomplishment."
Are you kidding? That's standard operating procedure for the
government.
Jennifer, please don't misread my post as being an apologist for
Halliburton. I've talked to one military fellow who went on at
great length about the abysmal food served by Halliburton's
subsidaries to military folks.
I'm just pointing out that, quite frankly, Dave W. doesn't really
bring anything useful to the discussion.
Hell, he's not even funny.
|1.24.06 @ 11:40AM|#
Ok, Halliburton is bad. That's fairly clear. The fact that
they're over there mostly on no-bid contracts makes it even worse.
That they obviously fucked up in this instance is also fairly
clear.
But again, it's not a failure of the market. There is no market
when the only game in town got there through a gov't contract.
Let's get that clear.
|1.24.06 @ 11:45AM|#
Meanwhile, the partisan apologists who are making excuses as to
why giving shit-infested water to soldiers is no big deal are the
same people who are ever-ready to say things like
"Criticizing the administration means you hate our troops and hope
we lose the war."
Brains as twisted and one-sided as a goddamned Mobius strip, that's
what you've got.
Dave W.|1.24.06 @ 11:47AM|#
But if someone who actually has some insight from personal
experience with the topic at hand shows up, then they are obviously
on the take, and nothing they say can be taken at face value, and
their motives (never their statements, mind you) are questioned in
a veiled attempt to accuse the person of being a lawyer.
Whoa there. Golldie said that we can't believe the putative
whistleblowers because of economic motivations and a sour
relationship with KBR. It was in response to Golldie's comment
(which I quoted in my response to make the symmetry) I questioned
Golldie's economic motives and relationship with KBR. In other
words, Golldie said those factors were relevant -- I made a comment
to get Golldie to see how those arguments could come back and bite
him in the ass.
As far as who is telling the truth and who is lying here -- I don't
know. That is what discovery is for. No answer, no pronouncement
from Gog -- just a solemn wish that discovery could be brought to
bear on this suspicious, but perhaps harmless, situation.
|1.24.06 @ 11:52AM|#
Dave, I'd be willing to give you a pass on it, except that this
is exactly how you act in every friggin' thread.
Hell, oftentimes a person doesn't even need to be a direct insider
regarding the topic at hand. Just having more information than
anyone else is enough for you to go spinning off into some
alternate universe.
For instance, when you repeatedly accused thoreau of being a shill
for Big Agra.
Perhaps your adherence to "discovery" would be a pretty good thing
if it actually had some semblance of rational thought and logical
inquiry.
Dave W.|1.24.06 @ 12:19PM|#
Dave, I'd be willing to give you a pass on it, except that
this is exactly how you act in every friggin' thread.
Yes, I often try to look at people's economic motivations. Golldie
thinks it is a relevant factor in assessing somebody's credibility
and so do I. That is why I bring up economic motivations and the
potential for secret economic motivations into some many
discussions here -- because it is so often relevant.
Hell, oftentimes a person doesn't even need to be a direct
insider regarding the topic at hand. Just having more information
than anyone else is enough for you to go spinning off into some
alternate universe.
Additional information is great. If Golldie gave me a link to view
that horse-choking pile of Halliburton papers, then we would be
discussing those now, instead of the whistleblower's economic
motives and Golldie's. Golldie didn't link those papers. His
additional "information" is no information at all.
For instance, when you repeatedly accused thoreau of being a
shill for Big Agra.
These were not my words. I have basically accused T. repeatedly of
falling for the big lie that high fructose sweetner is proven safe
and is unrelated to the diabetes explosion. I do not think that T.
stands to gain economically if big agra does well. My accusations
are apt. Your paraphrase of my accusations is faulty.
Perhaps your adherence to "discovery" would be a pretty good
thing if it actually had some semblance of rational thought and
logical inquiry.
You *don't* want discovery here in this case, Mediageek? Why not --
the whistleblowers here seem to be getting reasonable traction with
their story. From what limited info we have, these circumstances
seem like a good place for discovery, what with soldiers allegedly
drinking more feces than they should and all when our tax monies
have paid for them to drink fine water. Disagree on that?
|1.24.06 @ 12:20PM|#
C'mon, Joe. The slip about the whistleblowers having an "unfiendly" attitude was much, much better.
|1.24.06 @ 12:22PM|#
btw, T. once offerred to evaluate the scientific lit if I could
collect it. It has taken me a while, but here it is:
http://www.google.ca/scholar?q=%22high+fructose%22+diabetes+scientific+study&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&edition=ca&sa=N&tab=ss&oi=scholart
Awaiting evaluation from scientist, T.
|1.24.06 @ 12:24PM|#
That's a long list, Dave W. Pick your favorite from among those studies and I'll give whatever opinion I'm qualified to give.
|1.24.06 @ 12:33PM|#
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/79/5/774?ijkey=cJSxz0rjkfs9s&keytype=ref&siteid=ajcn
|1.24.06 @ 12:39PM|#
A corrupt company with close ties to the Vice-President is
giving warzone soldiers drinking water infested with sewage, and
Dave is bleating about the dangers of corn syrup.
Jesus wept, and Jennifer resorted to profanity.
Captain Holly|1.24.06 @ 12:39PM|#
Before responding to your various comments, I'll point out that
the stories Brian linked to above omit several key details. The
Salt Lake Tribune had a much more informative story on this
yesterday (their website is currently down, but I'll post the link
when it gets back up). From it we learn that:
1) the water in question was chlorinated before use;
2) the water was not intended to be used for drinking;
3) there were no reports of any outbreaks of gastrointestinal
illness to the base medical staff (prompting sinister insinuations
of a "cover-up"); and
4) subsequent testing showed the water to be in compliance.
Really, as one who understands this stuff I can safely say this is
one of the lamest smear attempts I've ever seen. But as I said
previously, mention "Halliburton" to some people and they instantly
freak out.
|1.24.06 @ 12:45PM|#
Dave is bleating about the dangers of corn syrup.
I didn't bring up people's economic motivations on this thread.
Golldie did.
I didn't bring up the cornsyrup flap on this thread. Mediageek
did.
All I did is express symapthy to Jennifer that she is in condition
to strip for money any more. That is all I was bleating about.
Captain Holly|1.24.06 @ 12:50PM|#
It was 2X the level of untreated water from the
sewage-infused Euphrates River.
YOU drink some untreated water from the Euphrates River, and
let us know how your tummy feels 36 hours later. Go'head. You
first.
The Euphrates is a big river. The fact that it's untreated doesn't
necessarily mean it will be dangerous.
In fact, I'd daresay most people here, if they've ever swam in a
lake or river, have ingested "contaminated" water. Some will get
sick; most will not. It all depends on the level of contamination,
and even if there's a discharge of raw sewage 2 miles upstream the
dilution factor would probably be enough to render it
harmless.
That's because for the average person, swallowing hundreds or even
thousands of coliforms are not that big of a deal. You do it every
day, especially if you eat a salad. So the fact that there was a
temporary spike in the coliform count is largely irrelevant. It
happens all the time, even in water systems that aren't run by
Halliburton.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 12:56PM|#
"Jesus wept, and Jennifer resorted to profanity."
Hehehehey, it's even funnier watching you try to argue with them
jen.
A hopeless cause is the only one worth fighting!
|1.24.06 @ 12:57PM|#
All I did is express symapthy to Jennifer that she is in
condition to strip for money any more. That is all I was bleating
about.
Now what the hell are you talking about?
That's because for the average person, swallowing hundreds or
even thousands of coliforms are not that big of a deal. . . In
fact, I'd daresay most people here, if they've ever swam in a lake
or river, have ingested "contaminated" water. Some will get sick;
most will not.
Then why were the soldiers getting sick, Holly? Either the water
they got was indeed bad for them, or the soldiers all a bunch of
wussies whose stomachs are far more sensitive than the stomach of
the "average" person. Which do you think it was?
Captain Holly|1.24.06 @ 1:00PM|#
1) They were hired to give clean water, and they
didn't.
Neither does your water company. There are always
fluctuations in coliform levels, which is why your water company
tests treated water regularly to detect them. If you're going to
claim incompetence because one test showed higher than expected
levels of coliforms then I doubt any municipal water supplierin the
US would pass.
2) The water that they gave was actually worse than untreated
river water. Yeah, I know, 2x isn't all that much worse, it's
really just comparable to the river. The fact remains that they
took something bad and actually found a way to make it worse. Maybe
not a lot worse, but worse. Which is quite an
accomplishment.
I admit I don't have all the facts here, but from what I read they
had a temporary spike in numbers of coliforms. Big deal, happens
all the time. The employees notified their supervisors, as they
were supposed to.
There's also a question about whether these are just coliforms or
fecal coliforms. Coliforms are an ubiquitous family of
bacteria; everyone is exposed to them regularly. Fecal coliforms
are those found only in shit, and are a clear indication of sewage
in the water.
Now I will assume that they're talking about fecal coliforms, since
they mention the potential upstream sewage discharge. But if
they're talking only about coliforms, then this "controversy" is
even lamer than I had originally thought.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 1:10PM|#
A "free" market in water?
By the time soldiers got sick, did some enterprising "Milo
Minderbender" get a hold of a $40 ceramic hand pump filter and sell
the Halliburton sewage to his fellow troops after rendering it
safe?
For a few bucks a gallon? Let US hope so.
Small business, the only real competitive capitalism left!!
If you know anyone serving in Iraq, send them these hand pump water
filters... to distribute for profit or charity.
http://www.thebackpacker.com/gear/water_filters/
The pentagon has just ordered body armor for the troops! Meanwhile
families have been supplying their loved ones in Iraq with body
armor on their own since the start of the war.
Captain Holly|1.24.06 @ 1:10PM|#
Then why were the soldiers getting sick, Holly? Either the
water they got was indeed bad for them, or the soldiers all a bunch
of wussies whose stomachs are far more sensitive than the stomach
of the "average" person. Which do you think it was?
From what I have read, there is no record of outbreaks of
gastrointestinal illnesses on the base in that time period. And
believe me, if there had been a major source of contamination in
the water supply, it would have been obvious very quickly (think
Cryptosporidia in Milwaukee in '93).
FYI, people get tummy aches and diarrhea all the time. They usually
attribute it to the last thing they ate, but it can be caused by
all sorts of things. Unless you have an outbreak that points to a
clear source, their "diarrhea and stomach cramps" could have been
caused by any number of factors, including the water.
But without any epidemiological data, it's all speculation.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 1:14PM|#
"...in (no?) condition to strip for money any more"
Now that's (moronic, sexist, garbled, gibberisher) ad
hominem!!
You know you are winning when they resort to that jen. Fight the
power!
Captain Holly|1.24.06 @ 1:14PM|#
As promised, here's the link to the story:
http://www.sltrib.com/nationworld/ci_3428918
My personal take is that had any other company done this it
wouldn't be a controversy. But the Left has a peculiar obsession
with Halliburton.
|1.24.06 @ 1:15PM|#
Captain Holly,
"So the fact that there was a temporary spike in the coliform count
is largely irrelevant."
If you want to claim to be professional in the field of water
treatment, and have people extend your comments the deference that
that implies, you going to have to stop making egregious statements
like this.
You admit that you don't know what the levels are, but you can
confidently state that the count is irrelevant, because consuming
items with a very, very low count isn't harmful?
Gads, I hope you're not a "professional" in my city's water
department.
|1.24.06 @ 1:17PM|#
"Yes, I often try to look at people's economic
motivations."
No, once you've been soundly thrashed, that's all
you do.
|1.24.06 @ 1:18PM|#
"Now what the hell are you talking about?"
Jennifer, I think he's making a snide remark about your physical
characteristics and/or age.
|1.24.06 @ 1:18PM|#
My personal take is that had any other company done this it
wouldn't be a controversy. But the Left has a peculiar obsession
with Halliburton.
Yes, Holly, left-wingers have no problem with soldiers getting sick
from contaminated drinking water; we just want to bring down
Halliburton. That's the only reason anybody is outraged by
this.
|1.24.06 @ 1:20PM|#
Jennifer, I think he's making a snide remark about your
physical characteristics and/or age.
I get the attempted insult, Mediageek; I'm just trying to figure
out what the hell that has to do with any of the topics at
hand.
|1.24.06 @ 1:20PM|#
"You *don't* want discovery here in this case,
Mediageek?"
That word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
|1.24.06 @ 1:22PM|#
Well sometimes I link to scientific studies on Google. Other
times I write high school science lessons on the limits of science.
Sometimes I call for military cutbacks . . . and
no, it is not ALL I do.
|1.24.06 @ 1:23PM|#
Well sometimes I link to scientific studies on Google. Other
times I write high school science lessons on the limits of science.
Sometimes I call for military cutbacks . . .
But mostly, you just go completely off the point and wonder why so
few people take you seriously.
|1.24.06 @ 1:24PM|#
I get the attempted insult, Mediageek; I'm just trying to
figure out what the hell that has to do with any of the topics at
hand.
It had this to do with it:
when you leave the topics at hand and start up with gratuitous
insults, then you better be prepared to get as good as you give.
Now let's be back on track and put this mutual insult contest
behind us. Deal?
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 1:25PM|#
"the Left has a peculiar obsession with Halliburton"
Actually it's just the reverse! And with tax dollars, violating the
US constitution while they are at it!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10965509/site/newsweek/
Pentagon spying for halliburton.
|1.24.06 @ 1:28PM|#
when you leave the topics at hand. . .
Said the man who introduced the topic of corn syrup to this
thread.
|1.24.06 @ 1:30PM|#
Just to put a little perspective on this - I was with the US
Army in Kuwait and Afghanistan over the last few years. The water
situation should be the same for the troops in Iraq. All the water
KBR supplies is clearly labeled NOT potable. It is used for
showering, washing hands, etc. They even advise not to use it for
brushing teeth - no rinsing and spitting. There is LOTS of bottled
water available for drinking and brushing. The water is treated at
it's source then transported in water trucks, stored in local water
bladders (thousands of gallons size) and pumped into storage tanks
in the toilet/shower facilities. The water could easily pick up
extra bacteria at any one of those intermediate storage
points.
Hygiene is obviously a huge issue in those places, it's critical to
wash your hands, with soap, after using the bathroom or blowing
your nose (or any of a dozen other typical activities that expose
you to nasty bugs). Not washing quickly leads to the gastric
problems (as well as other problems).
Since the KBR folks use the same water as the troops, I can't see
them deliberately being lax with water treatment, but it would be
possible to have contamination problems through normal use (or
negligence).
|1.24.06 @ 1:31PM|#
completely off the point
I go off-message a lot, cause I am not a big believer in staying on
message for any group.
No, I don't go off topic. Sometimes I do get taken off topic by
comments from other posters, which is exactly what happened in this
here thread. I don't mind going off topic if other people want to
bring up other subjects, but I am not going to sit here and get
blamed when that happens.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 1:31PM|#
Under the reign of corporatism the state merges with the
corporate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism
No way to take the neo-"rat" out of "corpo..RAT..ism".
Darth Cheney poisoned US troops, it's exactly that simple.
|1.24.06 @ 1:32PM|#
you repeatedly accused thoreau of being a shill for Big
Agra. . . . Comment by: mediageek at January 24, 2006 11:52
AM
Eat it Jen-Dog!
|1.24.06 @ 1:33PM|#
Jennifer said: "But mostly, you just go completely off the
point and wonder why so few people take you seriously.
Hahahah! That's what I'm screechin', my fair lady.
Even if Halliburton fucked up, what's the point? That they
shouldn't be getting no-bid contracts? Ok, fine, now what?
I just don't even really see what's being argued here.
|1.24.06 @ 1:33PM|#
Sometimes I do get taken off topic by comments from other
posters, which is exactly what happened in this here
thread.
Uh-huh. It is never something you did. How have you
survived so long, what with the whole world out to get you?
|1.24.06 @ 1:35PM|#
Even if Halliburton fucked up, what's the point? That they
shouldn't be getting no-bid contracts? Ok, fine, now what? I just
don't even really see what's being argued here.
Well, I've heard people argue before that Halliburton deserves
certain no-bid contracts because they are the only ones capable of
performing certain jobs. Which may be true in some cases, but not
this one, for two reasons: one, they're not the only American
company capable of providing clean water, and two, they're
apparently doing a shitty (pun intended) job of it.
|1.24.06 @ 1:38PM|#
Even if Halliburton fucked up, what's the point? That they
shouldn't be getting no-bid contracts? Ok, fine, now
what?
Cut military spending way back so these issues don't crop up as
often. That is called the true libertarian solution to the
problem.
|1.24.06 @ 1:41PM|#
Another thing worth mentioning: mistakes happen even in the best of companies; I think the problem here isn;t the fact that soldeirs got contaminated water, but the fact that the company apparently knew about it beforehand and did nothing. That makes the distinction between malice and a mistake.
|1.24.06 @ 1:43PM|#
How have you survived so long, what with the whole world out
to get you?
You are the one who insulted me here. Ergo, you are the one out to
get me. T. was quite polite and reasonable and Mediageek . . .
well, Mediageek tries real hard and I respect that. It is easy to
deal with you by simply returning your verbal insults with my own.
You will know better next time.
|1.24.06 @ 1:46PM|#
It is easy to deal with you by simply returning your verbal
insults with my own. You will know better next time.
Yes, trying to insult my appearance sure as hell won you a lot of
points here, didn't it?
I am actually embarrassed for you.
|1.24.06 @ 1:49PM|#
Yes, trying to insult my appearance sure as hell won you a
lot of points here, didn't it?
with the people that matter, yes. with the crowd who thinks it
unchivalrous to respond in kind to the insults of a woman, probably
not. I think chivalry is dead and I am glad. You insult my
intelligence, I insult your looks. That is how it works. That is
what is fair here.
|1.24.06 @ 1:58PM|#
You insult my intelligence, I insult your looks.
In all seriousness, Dave: insults can indeed be effective
in debates. But the insults in question have to be on-topic. Hence
the difference between "Dave is bleating about corn syrup" versus
"Jennifer is ugly."
By the way, nobody criticized you for being "unchivalrous," they
criticized you for an off-topic ad hominem attack. Do you not see
the difference? Probably not.
|1.24.06 @ 2:01PM|#
To put it another way, Dave: your intelligence or possible lack thereof is actually pertinent to the debate; my attractiveness or lack thereof is not. Get it?
|1.24.06 @ 2:01PM|#
This wasn't drinking water. Still nasty to be showering/laundering with it, but it's still not being given to our soldiers to drink.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 2:02PM|#
Beauty is intrinsic you idiots, and jen has got that in
spades.
Who exactly is energizing the pathetic chatroom you wing nuts have
turned this place into?
Without her input this venue is dead.
|1.24.06 @ 2:05PM|#
Drx, I appreciate it, but seriously--my appearance has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. If Dave wants to call up that old thread where mine and other poster's photos were posted, he is welcome to do so and call attention to any flaws of mine he perceives; thing is, though, it won't do a damn thing toward proving whatever the hell point he is trying to prove.
|1.24.06 @ 2:09PM|#
Dave W.: No corn syrup added, now with 50% more misogyny!
"Who exactly is energizing the pathetic chatroom you wing nuts
have turned this place into?"
You seem to be over-using the term "wingnut." The amazingdrx,
everyone. He's this thread's Anger Fluffer.
|1.24.06 @ 2:11PM|#
Oh, fuck it, I'll do it myself:
http://www.panix.com/~jdw/h+r/all.html
Sample dialogue:
JEN: Dave needs to stop bleating about corn syrup on this
thread.
DAVE: Oh, yeah? Well, Jennifer's eye makeup is smudged in
one of those photos! Take that!
|1.24.06 @ 2:12PM|#
O contraire Jennifer. Whether I was bleating or not had no bearing on the issues at hand. It was just your way of telling everybody that I am a sheep, which I am not. Once you start with the insults, you don't get to play chivalry. You insult me; then I insult you. You refrain from insulting me; I refrain from insulting you. It is that simple.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 2:15PM|#
Yep, just the facts jen. It's all that is needed.
Socrates ghost is around here somewhere...
|1.24.06 @ 2:23PM|#
"Yep, just the facts jen. It's all that is
needed."
Yeah, that and references to "Darth Cheney."
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 2:23PM|#
As usual, my ESP is always right on matters of inner beauty and
it's reflection in the real world.
Thanks for proving it once again jen!
Dave go fuck yourself. No one else will.
|1.24.06 @ 2:29PM|#
I truly was hoping to have a discussion of this tainted water
business. On the other hand, this is a great allegory for why our
country is completely fucked: because when facing matters of
serious national importance, any debate degenerates into partisan
hackery and off-topic ad hominems.
Ann Coulter is skinny. Michael Moore is fat. Bush looks like a
chimp. Kerry looks like an oak tree.
|1.24.06 @ 2:38PM|#
I can't decide if drx's comment about Ann Coulter is meant to be satire of the left, or is the real thing.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 2:40PM|#
Sorry, too hard to resist, no other venue would let me post it... bog ("clockwork orange" burgess speak) bless (civil) libertarianism!!!!
|1.24.06 @ 2:42PM|#
But what good does it do, Drx? In all of history, there has never been a single person who has said "I used to really admire Ann Coulter, but now that I've seen her name spelled Ann Cuntler I realize she's actually a whackjob bitch." If anything, it would turn off a person who might otherwise be prone to listening to legitimate reasons why she is, indeed, a whackjob bitch.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 2:42PM|#
"satire of the left, or is the real thing."
Both..simultaneously.. confusing isn't it?
Yes it is...for I am...an..agent of CHAOS!!
|1.24.06 @ 2:43PM|#
You know, it's hard to be an advocate for liberty on account of the fact that this means an innumberable amount of nitwits will exercise their freedoms in an utterly banal manner.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 2:46PM|#
" it would turn off a person who might otherwise be prone to
listening to legitimate reasons why she is, indeed, a whackjob
bitch."
Yep you are right.
But the ways of chaos are mysterious.
http://homepages.compuserve.de/Mostral/spinrad/02.html
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 2:49PM|#
"no hope for the future "
That's just winter talking, spring is only a few months away.
Drx prescribes some powerful, natural endorphins. Jump in an
icehole.
http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/Photos/_archives/2005/2/24/369560.html
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 2:51PM|#
"..big birds flyiiing across the sky.. leave us ho..opeless..hopeless, hopeless.."
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 3:14PM|#
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequites of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he that shephards the weak from the valley of darkness for he is truly his brother's keeper, and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers, and you will know my name is the lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."
|1.24.06 @ 3:32PM|#
Maybe these last few posts would make sense if I were on drugs. But no, I'm sober. And staying that way for the foreseeable future. And the meaning shall ever thus elude me.
|1.24.06 @ 3:32PM|#
off-topic ad hominems
Then don't call people sheep, especially people who take pride in
*not* acting like sheep. If you are not part of the solution then
you are part of the problem -- and the one part that you yourself
can fix.
|1.24.06 @ 3:37PM|#
Dave, go back to insulting my appearance and telling yourself it's an effective debating technique. You were actually marginally more effective then.
Captain Holly|1.24.06 @ 3:39PM|#
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the
inequites of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he
that shephards the weak from the valley of darkness for he is truly
his brother's keeper, and the finder of lost children. And I will
strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those
who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers, and you will know my
name is the lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."
Somebody's seen Pulp Fiction. How it is relevant to the
current subject, I do not know.
Incidentally, for extra credit, does anyone know where that quote
comes from?
|1.24.06 @ 3:46PM|#
Okay, Jennifer: if I am still a sheep then you are still losing your looks. Buh-bye.
|1.24.06 @ 3:48PM|#
Okay, Jennifer: if I am still a sheep then you are still
losing your looks. Buh-bye.
I reckon this means Dave won this argument, huh?
|1.24.06 @ 4:00PM|#
It means that your insult insulted me and hurt my feelings. 10 posts down the thread, you don't get this. Like your shit don't stink somehow. It is not exactly a victory for me, but it is a better outcome than if I just sit there and take your insults like you seem to expect.
|1.24.06 @ 4:04PM|#
Hey, Dave! If you really want to make yourself look better in everybody else's eyes, don't forget to point out that twenty years from now, I'll be old!
|1.24.06 @ 4:09PM|#
There will be better ways of hurting your feelings then, and if you keep insulting me, believe me I will find them.
|1.24.06 @ 4:10PM|#
It is not exactly a victory for me, but it is a better
outcome than if I just sit there and take your insults like you
seem to expect.
Sincere advice: by all means dish out insults after you've been on
the receiving end of them; just make them relevant to the
topic at hand.
It's the difference between me saying "Dave needs to stop bleating
about corn syrup" versus "Dave probably has a small dick." The
first one makes you look bad; the second one would have
made me look bad. If you can figure out a way to insult my
intelligence, or turn my own words against me, you'd've won a lot
of points in this debate. But merely shouting "Jennifer is ugly" is
barely one step up from an irate two-year-old shouting "Jennifer is
a poopyhead!"
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 4:16PM|#
http://www.slipups.com/items/781.html
"The two times Jules quotes Ezekiel 25:17, he quotes it slightly
differently. Jules must have been reading one weird Bible, because
the verse he quotes isn't like any version in print.
I would like to add that Quentin Tarantino stated in an interview
that he knew it wasn't 100% correct, but they way he had written it
enhanced the dramatic effect."
Many have seen "the fiction", but who else can quote it from memory
while performing feats of strength (chaos)? (That's a rhetorical
question, discuss it amongst your various internal personalities
wing nuts.)
|1.24.06 @ 4:18PM|#
The bleating thing is way off base because:
1. I didn't bring cornsyrup into this thread. I don't bring
cornsyrup into the vast majority of threads where it is mentioned
on this board. And you know that. And I know you know that.
2. My cornsyrup remarks on this thread was link(s) to scientific
studies. (As requested on a previous thread and re-requested on
this thread).
and
3. I ain't no sheep any more than you are some dried up husk of a
formerly pretty woman. My insult was ridiculous and hurtful because
yours was. Those were the criteria: ridiculous and hurtful. Under
those criteria, I did fine. Good symmetry, your not gettin' it
notwithstanding.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 4:30PM|#
"not gettin' it "
So you are saying you are "thenthitive"? Not that there's anything
wrong with that.
|1.24.06 @ 4:37PM|#
So, to sum up:
The thread is off topic.
The amazingdrx is high.
Dave W. is crazy and pathetic.
Jennifer, as always, proves she can throw down with the best of
them.
And, well, I'm just swell.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 4:37PM|#
Hehehey, just bleat duuuuuh..bya good faithbased sheople.
Your corporate daddy state will protect you. Gaaawd bless der
fathe...er..homeland. We pledge our lives to SECURITY!
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 4:42PM|#
Well geek.. "I'm high alright, but not on your false drugs. I'm high on a clean windshield and a full tank of powerful gasoline!" (Firesign Theater)
Captain Holly|1.24.06 @ 4:47PM|#
I would like to add that Quentin Tarantino stated in an
interview that he knew it wasn't 100% correct, but they way he had
written it enhanced the dramatic effect.
BingBingBing! We have a winner! Most people think the
Bible actually says that. That, or they have no idea where to find
the Book of Ezekiel.
I often use it as evidence for my contention that liberals,
especially the Hollywood variety, either have no idea what the
Bible says or they distort it for their own purposes. Useful for
when someone trots out the tired old "cast the first stone"
line.
|1.24.06 @ 4:58PM|#
I often use it as evidence for my contention that liberals,
especially the Hollywood variety, either have no idea what the
Bible says or they distort it for their own purposes. Useful for
when someone trots out the tired old "cast the first stone"
line.
Once again, Captain Holly proves that he can't discuss anything
without partisanship entering the picture. Yes, Holly, liberals are
the only ones who are either ignorant of the Bible or distort it to
serve their own purposes. No conservative has ever done such a
thing.
By the way, what is tired about the line "let he who is without sin
cast the first stone," anyway? The world would be a less annoying
place if the likes of Robertson and Falwell kept that in mind.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 5:00PM|#
http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/home.html#
Well capt howd..er holly...I like to bible these extremists when
they stray too far from the true path.
Did you know jesus was a commie? It's true (Paul Harvey voice)!
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 5:09PM|#
Cleave thee to the path of the righteous on this issue of
halliburton's sewage cocktail for our soldiers,brethren.
"1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as
crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the
Lamb."
"2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the
river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of
fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the
tree were for the healing of the nations."
http://christiananswers.net/bible/rev22.html#1
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 5:16PM|#
"I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers"
Captain Holly|1.24.06 @ 5:27PM|#
By the way, what is tired about the line "let he who is
without sin cast the first stone," anyway? The world would be a
less annoying place if the likes of Robertson and Falwell kept that
in mind.
It's "tired" because it's always used out of context, always used
to silence some sort of moral criticism from the Right, and you
never hear the subsequent "Go, and sin no more"
line mentioned.
|1.24.06 @ 5:48PM|#
It's "tired" because it's always used out of context, always
used to silence some sort of moral criticism from the Right, and
you never hear the subsequent "Go, and sin no more" line
mentioned.
Well, no, that's because "go and sin no more" was said not to the
person about the throw the stone, but to the person about to get
stoned. Saying "go and sin no more" would therefore be out of
context.
And once again--you're being unnecessarily partisan. Yes, in your
world it is only right-wingers who have Bible quotes thrown at them
to demonstrate their hypocrisy; right-wingers never throw Bible
verses around themselves. Nope. Nuh-uh.
|1.24.06 @ 5:51PM|#
Wow, this thread degenerated. Spend one afternoon away from the
desk, enjoying a very informal meeting to discuss future projects,
and everything goes to hell.
A couple months ago I had asked Dave W. to find a peer-reviewed
study for me to critique. He found one. He wasn't claiming that
corn syrup was relevant to the matter at hand, he was just like
"Oh, thoreau's here. Hey, thoreau, remember that thing I'd been
promising to get back to you on? Well, here it is."
I'll get around to it, I promise.
Captain Holly|1.24.06 @ 6:10PM|#
Well, no, that's because "go and sin no more" was said not
to the person about the throw the stone, but to the person about to
get stoned. Saying "go and sin no more" would therefore be out of
context.
(Since this thread was dragged off subject a long time ago, I won't
feel too guilty for responding.)
No, it wouldn't be out of context, because the person who quotes
the "He who is without sin" line is usually the one who is seeking
to blunt criticism of his behavior.
If he truly cared about what Jesus taught, he would
recognize he has fallen short, accept the validity of the
criticism, and then seek to live a better life.
Instead, he's using the Lord's words to try to shut his opponent
up.
I've seen and heard it used often by left-wingers, usually in
debates about gay marriage or premarital sex. It's a standard, pat
response to any criticism of sexual mores.
|1.24.06 @ 6:24PM|#
I've seen and heard it used often by left-wingers, usually
in debates about gay marriage or premarital sex. It's a standard,
pat response to any criticism of sexual mores.
Like the way Jesus first used it against those who would criticize
an adulteress? It sounds especially valid against those
who would criticize another person's sex life.
Now if the comment were used against those who would criticize,
say, serial killers, I'd agree with you. But using against sex
critics is a perfect answer to the question What would Jesus
do?"
|1.24.06 @ 6:31PM|#
Like the way Jesus first used it against those who would
criticize an adulteress
No, like the way he used it against those who would put to
death an adultress. As Holly pointed out, the story ends with
Jesus telling the adultress to stop sinning.
|1.24.06 @ 6:39PM|#
Worst thread ever ...
We had the same kind of water in Haiti, for showers and washing up.
We drank bottled water. This sounds like a typical CYA situation.
Sometimes it seems like we're supporting the contractor not vice
versa.
The problem with KBR is twofold. First they make an obscene amount
of money for providing mundane services of mediocre quality.
Second, the longer their use continues, the less able the Army is
to support itself.
I don't know if the Army actually saves money by not needing to
have as many water purification, laundry and bath, construction,
transportation, mess, etc. sections and units. I do know that the
Army frees up equipment and manpower by using KBR.
The only problem with this model of outsourcing is if there is a
major war. I don't see KBR truckdrivers bringing fuel and ammo
forward in the middle of a battle.
Still, this thread blows. I like mainly lurking and once in a while
posting information and opinion of dubious value, but this kind of
invective is boring. Bring back JB/GG!
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 6:58PM|#
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/24/science/24find.html?ex=1138251600&en=f0fd01f3b4829404&ei=5070
"Using M.R.I. scanners, neuroscientists have now
tracked what happens in the politically partisan brain when it
tries to digest damning facts about favored candidates or
criticisms of them. The process is almost entirely emotional and
unconscious, the researchers report, and there are flares of
activity in the brain's pleasure centers when unwelcome information
is being rejected."
Yep sounds about right, bring on the endorphins!!
|1.24.06 @ 7:38PM|#
No, like the way he used it against those who would put to
death an adultress.
So you think Jesus intend this to only apply in death-penalty
cases?
|1.24.06 @ 8:15PM|#
What a low-down dirty degenerate thread.
A day late, but for what it's worth:
1) I tend to be a bit skeptical of this story, because I know too
many people who go apeshit about anything related to corporations
in general -- "in their corporate buildings, being all
corporationy" -- and Hitlerburton in particular. And some of them
write news stories. So I have no immediate reaction to the putative
topic of this thread.
2) I hate to find myself on the same side as amazingdrx -- Billy
Ray's evil twin from a mirror universe -- on any matter, but
...
3) Dave W., you're being a dick.
4) And for whatever it's worth, from what I can tell, Jennifer is
still stripper-capable and has many years of hotness to come.
5) I rather enjoy Capt. Holly's contributions to this forum.
Now I'm going to go wash up.
(With clean water.)
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 9:09PM|#
"in their corporate buildings, being all corporationy" -- and
Hitlerburton ...amazingdrx -- Billy Ray's evil twin from a mirror
universe -- on any matter....Dave W., you're being a
dick....Jennifer is still stripper-capable and has many years of
hotness to come."
Well said! (Were you knocking my mullet?)
|1.24.06 @ 10:38PM|#
"The pentagon has just ordered body armor for the troops!
Meanwhile families have been supplying their loved ones in Iraq
with body armor on their own since the start of the war."
Sorry, but I have to raise the BS flag here. Body armor has been
issued to US troops since the beginning. There have been shortages,
but the implication that the military is only just now getting
around to issuing body armor is total BS, and it makes me question
your honesty first and your intellect second.
|1.24.06 @ 11:01PM|#
Sorry, but I have to raise the BS flag here
Wayne,
Sorry, I have to raise a delay-of-BS flag here. On this thread, you
are way behind in trying to question anyone's honesty or intellect.
I question your timing.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 11:01PM|#
Well I'll admit exagerating.
A portion of US troops did have antiquated body armor.
A recent study of battle wounds indicated that 80% of csasualties
in Iraq could have been avoided were the latest ceramic complete
armor provided from the start of the invasion.
But the lack of the best availavle body armor all through the war
has been a scandal. Many soldiers DID have their family's buy the
best available body armor for them, at great expense.
Due to the fact that the pentagon would not provide it. Full
coverage ceramic plates, shoulder and side plates, the only armor
that stops the ubiquitos ak-47 round, had not been even ordered by
the rummi reoconman crew until now.
When asked about armor upgrades in a meeting with troops by a
soldier in Iraq months ago, rummi replied that if one has your name
on it armor can't protect you.
How did the neorat rummi get from the airport to the green zone? In
a specially armored halliburton vehicle.
That one VIP transport contract for chicken hawks like rummi would
no doubt have payed for all the body armor upgrades for the whole
force in Iraq.
"Under pressure to speed the delivery of armor to troops in Iraq,
the United States Army has awarded an emergency contract for
ceramic plates to protect the sides of soldiers' torsos from
insurgents' attacks, military officials said yesterday."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/21/international/middleeast/21armor.html
BTW, where do you get your news that you hadn't heard about this?
FOX, Drug Limbaugh, nutsmax.com, drudge?
|1.24.06 @ 11:09PM|#
Correction to my prior post: I had not read the entire thread
when I responded. Now that I have read the entire thread, I
question neither amazingdrx's honesty, nor intellect. He is simply
an alien being.
I like Captain Holly's contributions too (echo of Darkly). I think
the Cap't is right about Halliburton pushing the spasm/drool button
on the left.
I don't want to say anything bad about Dave, because I don't think
I can bear being called ugly. To be brutally honest, I was NEVER a
stripper so if I have fallen from my original lowly state of
beauty, then I am truly hideous today, and I certainly don't want
anybody to point that out in print.
Jennifer is a formidable opponent in a debate, and, after looking
at the photos (thanks for the link, Jen), is pretty easy on the
eyes as well. I have a fist full of dollar bills at the ready
:-].
|1.24.06 @ 11:13PM|#
"Sorry, I have to raise a delay-of-BS flag here. On this thread,
you are way behind in trying to question anyone's honesty or
intellect. I question your timing."
Point taken. I am late to the discussion. I have been busy with
life, what can I say? I will retract my BS flag because of my
tardiness.
|1.24.06 @ 11:45PM|#
Billy Ray ... Well said! (Were you knocking my
mullet?)
Ermm... Actually, I was comparing/contrasting you to another guy
who used to post here from the opposite end of the political
spectrum, in the
Pithecanthropus sector.... It was a grievous insult, which I
now feel bad about because of your gracious response.
|1.24.06 @ 11:47PM|#
Point taken. I am late to the discussion.
I had no point. I was just poking fun at the rest of this thread.
I'm guessing that you didn't read much of the travesty which is
this thread before you made your comment. No, in your posts,
surprisingly, you actually had something to say.
Not that I mind. This thread is as entertaining and dramatic as
anything on the tube right now.
amazingdrx|1.24.06 @ 11:56PM|#
Most depressing thread, on the most depressing day.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6847012/
The model is: [W + (D-d)] x TQ
M x NA
The equation is broken down into seven variables: (W) weather, (D)
debt, (d) monthly salary, (T) time since Christmas, (Q) time since
failed quit attempt, (M) low motivational levels and (NA) the need
to take action.
|1.25.06 @ 12:05AM|#
"I had no point."
My apologies for mistaking your lack of a point for a point. I
could go on, but it seems pointless.
Good night to you all. Amazingdrx, get thee into thy hyperbaric
chamber.
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