What's Behind the Birther Nonsense?

Why conspiracy theories refuse to die

The release of President Barack Obama's birth certificate should put the issue of his natural-born citizenship to rest for good. But of course it won't. To true believers in a conspiracy theory, evidence disproving the conspiracy only proves how vast the conspiracy really is. And sure enough, it took all of two nanoseconds Wednesday morning before birthers began questioning the legitimacy of the long-form certificate. "The signatures on the bottom have white around them like they were erased," noted one of many doubters on the Free Republic website.

According to a USA Today poll released earlier this week, only 38 percent of Americans feel certain that Obama was born in the United States. Given that Obama won 53 percent of the popular vote in 2008, this means some people might have doubted whether he was eligible for the office but voted for him anyway.

Among their number, no doubt, are all those Hawaiian officials who are covering up the vast, decades-long conspiracy—a conspiracy so far-sighted that it planted fake birth announcements in the newspapers half a century ago. Because, you know, even three years before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 required hotels and restaurants to serve black people, the conspirators knew America one day would elect a black president, and they were going to make darn sure it was that Obama kid from Kenya. Sounds completely plausible!

Democratic activists and major media outlets—pardon the redundancy—profess to be horrified by the persistence of questions about Obama's nationality, and they are entirely sincere about that. Party activists are always terribly saddened by anything that makes the other side look bad. This is why members of the press are reluctant to ask Republican candidates about Obama's citizenship more than five or six times per interview. You don't want to keep rumors going through pointless repetition.

To be sure, Republicans have not shown much reluctance about keeping the issue alive themselves. Some of the more responsible voices in the party have said Obama claims to be a citizen of the United States, and far be it from them to doubt word of a man who has broken so many campaign promises. Others, such as Michelle Bachman, maintain a studious agnosticism. Then there is Donald Trump, who promised—any day now!—to reveal the stunning new information that certain unnamed sources have assured him raises very serious doubts about whether Hawaii is really a state. Or something like that.

You do have to wonder why Republican activists refused to let the issue drop. Have they thought this through? Suppose, through some astounding turn of events, that someone does manage to prove Obama was not born in the United States. Suppose further that Obama, who has been in on a conspiracy to defraud the entire nation since he was a wee lad, suddenly and inexplicably decides not to keep it up by contesting the evidence. Then what? Presumably, he leaves office. And then? President Biden takes over. 'Twas a famous victory.

Those Republicans who seriously have suspected that Obama was born abroad might not have played the movie through to the final credits like that. Or if they have, perhaps they thought the revelation would do as much permanent damage to the Democratic Party as the Watergate scandal did to the Republicans. After Richard Nixon resigned in 1974, the GOP was unable to elect a Republican to the White House for a full six years.

The birthers probably don't hold any concrete expectations about where the unmasking of the conspiracy might lead. They're not really interested in the validity of claims about citizenship. After all, Republicans didn't object to the nomination of John McCain, even though he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Many still would vote for Barry Goldwater, given the chance—even though he was born in Phoenix in 1909, three years before Arizona became a state.

No, the obsession about Obama's birth certificate is more a way to deny him legitimacy. In that, it resembles the two biggest conspiracy theories about George W. Bush. The first was that Bush was not duly elected; rather, he was "selected" by five or seven justices of the Supreme Court in 2000. (Google "Bush stole 2000 election" for some entertaining reading on that score.) And shortly after the 2004 election, Gallup found that three in 10 Democrats believed Bush stole that election as well.

The second conspiracy held that "9/11 was an inside job," as the bumper stickers said. Writing in Politico recently, Ben Smith reported 22.6 percent of Democrats said it was "very likely" that "people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East," while another 28 percent of Democrats said it was "somewhat likely."

Before the Bush ("Regime change begins at home!") administration was the Clinton administration—itself the subject of a variety of conspiracy theories involving Oliver North, drug cartels, and the "murder" of Vince Foster. Not to mention an impeachment trial ostensibly about lying under oath that really was more about the fact that Republicans hated Clinton with a passion hotter than the hinges of hell.

No doubt the conspiracy theorists in each of these instances sincerely believe they're very interested in getting to the bottom of things, while the conspiracy theorists on the other side are just plain nuts. Two decades' worth of paranoid fantasizing, however, suggests that the real cause of the theories is not some actual diabolical conspiracy but the fact that some people did not get their way in the last election, and simply refuse to accept it.

A. Barton Hinkle is a columnist at the Richmond Times-Dispatch. This article originally appeared at the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

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  • ||

    A. Barton Hinkle Heimer-Schmidt
    Hey, that's my name, too
    Whenever we go out
    The people always shout
    There goes A. Barton Hinkle Heimer Schmidt
    LALALALALALALA

  • ||

    Fuck. Too slow.

  • An Objectivist||

    Hinkle- you're a fucking idiot. No birth certificate has been released. The 2008 one is a blatent forgery, and the current one is an image printed on paper, it is obviously not an original document, and it is of such low resolution, it would be trivial to forge.

    This birth certificate just shows how gullible people are.

  • ||

    It is fascinating to me how many people I know who state the the birther issue is a distraction--and then spend lots of time proving the point by arguing about what a distraction it is.

  • ||

    Well, it is true that MSNBC and, to a somewhat lesser extent, CNN have discussed the "issue" a lot more than FoxNews, which has mostly ignored it.

  • MNG||

  • Doc S||

    come on MNG, you know better than to come to this forum with data...

  • Bikerider||

    I'd like to see the same data for the other news channels.

  • ||

    See here. My statement was correct.

    MNG brought data, but something that answers a different question and does not disagree with what I said.

  • ||

    Yep, but that's still less than it's been covered by MSNBC and CNN.

  • ||

    See here, MNG.

    I appreciate that you've finally discovered a taste for data, though sadly it's still a non sequitur.

    Fox News covered it a lot less than the other networks, as I said.

    The more sophisticated critique would have been to focus on to what degree the statements were challenged, etc.

  • Rock Action ||

    Oh, Mr. Thacker. That's so silly. Minge cited Media Matters. Clearly a better source than that National Journey, or Excellence in Journaltastic hooha rags you're reading. And if Minge had stopped for a moment and thought (a tall task, I know) he would have figured out that the stories were embarrassing to Fox News's agenda, and that the birther claims allowed CNN and MSNBC to go with the narrative that it's the racism and ignorance of all things true and right behind the voters' moodiness, not the policies.

  • Abdul||

    If you can't drive to Hawaii, then it ain't America.

  • alan||

    Hawaii may be mostly liberal, but I don't think they can be blamed for ruining the man. Obama has a strong imprint of Chicago on his vacant soul.

  • yonemoto||

  • yonemoto||

  • Irresponsible Hater||

    Doubting something is not the same as believing in a conspiracy.

    Like many others, this "conspiracy theory" exists primarily in the minds of people who don't believe it, but think other people foolishly do.

    I mean, how often do you hear even the most raving birther actually advance and proclaim a narrative that purports to explain what "really" happened?

    As lame as the "just asking questions" line goes, it doesn't even rise to the level of a positive theory...

  • ||

    Lots of people "believe" in conspiracy theories only as a proxy for their general disapproval of a popular person. The more unpopular President Obama gets, the more people will claim in polls to believe any conspiracy theory against him. Same was true of Clinton or GWB.

  • Turkey Baster||

    I hear tell that Michelle Obama is a lebian. Just like Hillary.

  • Doc Brown||

    Run! It's the Lebians!

  • db||

    If there isn't a BTTF outtake featuring that line, I'd be very disappointed in Christopher Lloyd.

  • ||

    She's from Lebiya?

  • Fiscal Meth||

    "Doubting something is not the same as believing in a conspiracy"

    It is not the same thing but it is based on the same mistake. The only difference between the Bachmans and the Trumps is that they've assigned different probabilities to an arbitrary claim. They've already made a mistake just by even considering it and treating it as something to which the idea of probability can apply. The only way to deal with that type of claim is treat it like any other meaningless combination of sounds and just dismiss it.

  • Some Guy||

    Trump is just holding back the real birth certificate because he doesn't want people to know Obama is really Bush's half brother.

  • Comment Tater||

    Conspiracy theories are not based on reality. Conspiracy theorists have a disease. Only professional help and a proper diet based on the Food Pyramid™ can cure them.

  • Fiscal Meth||

    Oh yeah. That's just what the sheeple need. professional brainwashers and food that they load with chemicals designed to neutralize you and sedate you into believing their lies. Move along sheeple. Nothing to see here.

  • ||

    Combine this with fluoridated water and the whole country's in trouble.

  • vanya||

    "And then? President Biden takes over. 'Twas a famous victory."

    Sure it would be a victory, Biden is white. That's the point of all this. In most cases the charge that critics of Obama are racists is generally stupid and reflects an inability of Obama supporters to think up a defense for their man's actions. But in the case of Birthers the racism charge really does seem to hold water.

  • yonemoto||

    Nonsense. We already had a black president.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,65978,00.html

  • kArupt||

    And yet those same right-wingers accept that Jebus is God because an old book said so... I want to see Christ's long-form birth certificate clearly stating that Yahweh is the father!!!!

  • kArupt||

    He was obviously born in Samaria, not Bethlehem!!!

  • ||

    shut up, big nose.

  • galalein archives||

    we dont release the original cuneiform document. u may request a papyrus copy however

  • Mensan||

    If it existed,it would most likely say Pantera.

  • ||

    There is a danger in treating any controversy as a conspiracy theory. The society imposes a very strong pressure not to learn anything about the controversy. Thus, a substantive discussion is avoided by reducing the controversy to a conspiracy theory. We can feel very smug about ourselves and laugh at conspiracy theorists without knowing much about the issue.

    While it's appropriate to laugh at them, one has to know real arguments debunking the conspiracy theory. Instead, people say all the time that it doesn't matter - those crazy birthers or truthers wouldn't heed logical arguments anyway. That's wrong, there are many people who would listen. A few years ago I checked a website that patiently, point by point dealt with all the legal issues concerning the constitutionality of the income tax. From early court decisions to the constitutional amendment to the ratification issues. That's how you confront people instead of telling them that they are crazy.

    The key is to confront head on the strongest arguments offered by conspiracy theorists. Though, I didn't doubt that Obama was born in the US, I often cringed when I heard people denouncing the birthers. Most of the time the "anti-birthers" revealed that they knew little about the issue. Like it doesn't even matter where he was born since his mother was a US citizen. No, he wouldn't have been a US citizen had he been born outside of the US. Or you need a vast conspiracy of Hawaiian officials and others to make baby Barack eligible for presidency 47 years later. All you needed was a conspiracy of Barack's mother and grandmother to assure Barack's US citizenship at birth.

    I hope that the release of the long-form birth certificate convinces the rational people among those who had doubts about Obama's birth and lets "anti-birthers" avoid silly arguments that they often resorted to.

  • kArupt||

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B....._parentage

    he would still be a citizen...

  • ||

    Nope.
    http://travel.state.gov/law/ci....._5199.html


    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

    A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship.

    Barack's mother was 18 when he was born.

  • kArupt||

    Ok, so after PROOF that he was born outside of Hawaii surfaces (it hasn't, it won't, cause it's a made up issue) then you have a point there. In the alter-universe, the one in which he wasn't born in Hawaii, he's not a citizen.

    In the Universe, he is.

    BTW "anti-birther" is f*ckin retarded, is that an actual label being used?

  • kArupt||

    ... didn't we all find out that Obama Sr never divorced the wife he had before marrying Dunham? wouldn't that make his marriage to Dunham illegitmate? making Obama Jr. a bastard born out of wedlock? meaning a seperate set of rules apply? making him eligible to be president?

  • kArupt||

    Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother:
    A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 309(c) of the INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person’s birth and if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person’s birth. The mother must be genetically related to the person in order to transmit U.S. citizenship.

    same link...

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    The question is not whether he is a "citizen" as that term is used under the 14th Amendment. The question is whether he is a "natural-born citizen" as that term is used in Article II, Section 1.

    This is a big issue that I see people on both sides getting all kinds of wrong.

    There is case law addressing the meaning of "all persons born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" as used in Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, but I don't know whether there's much case law regarding the meaning of "natural born citizen" under Article II, Section 1.

  • ||

    Yes, Obama Sr.'s marriage is very relevant here. According to the US laws Barack Obama could become a US citizen at birth even if he was born in Kenya if his mother wasn't married. Some immigration lawyers would make a fortune if Barack Obama had to deal with this issue.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Please note the difference between being a "citizen," a "naturalized citizen" and a "natural-born citizen."

    It really helps if people actually read the document they're arguing about.

  • yonemoto||

    A natural-born citizen is any citizen that was not conceived by IVF. The framers had the foresight to anticipate the day when the alien invaders would use insemination and genetic manipulation techniques to install a manchurian candidate.

  • db||

    Foresight? Hell, it's well known that aliens were creating cleverly disguised human-bovine chimerae as early as 1732, and this danger was thoroughly discussed at the Shadow Constitutional Convention held in Baltimore in 1789. Nothing less than such a serious threat could have motivated a move away from the fatally flawed Articles of Confederation, which completely failed to address extraterrestrial threats to continued Masonic rule.

  • yonemoto||

    Masonic Rule? Are you sure that's a human eye on top of the pyramid?

  • yonemoto||

    A natural-born citizen is any citizen that was not conceived by IVF. The framers had the foresight to anticipate the day when the alien invaders would use insemination and genetic manipulation techniques to install a manchurian candidate.

  • R||

    Citizen = anyone who has a citizen's rights in the United States (including the right to vote and to carry a U.S. passport)

    Naturalized citizen: someone who was born in another country but took the oath of citizenship later in life, or had his her parents obtain citizenship for him/her.

    Natural-born citizen: Someone who is a citizen from birth due to being born to American citizen parents, or within the jurisdiction of the United States.

  • yonemoto||

    R:
    Please cite federal statue on your definitions. Otherwise, we'll have go by the dictionary:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_childbirth

    I'm ineligible, because my mother delivered me by caesarian section. The framers didn't want any caesars to usurp the republic (much like what happened in rome) so, caesareans were out.

  • sarcasmic ||

    Why go through all that trouble when it is so much easier to accuse someone of being racist, and the only way they can prove that they are not racist is by dropping the birther issue?

    Ad-homs and straw man arguments are so much more effective.

  • kArupt||

    LMFAO the entire birther "arguement" (lie) is an Ad Hom!!! I don't hear anyone challenging McCain's citizenship...

  • sarcasmic ||

    "I don't hear anyone challenging McCain's citizenship..."

    I remember people arguing that because he was born in Panama that he wasn't a citizen.

  • kArupt||

    source?

  • sarcasmic ||

    My own memory.

    But if you insist, here's a link: http://tinyurl.com/3hrpkex

  • EasyPeasy||

  • yonemoto||

  • alan||

    One of the saddest aspects of the liberal mind is that even when there exist a preponderance of evidence to back your position, you still most typically resort to dishonesty.

  • sarcasmic ||

    "you still most typically resort to dishonesty"

    Liberals feel it is OK to lie, cheat and steal to get your way, as long as you get your way.
    Right and wrong means nothing to a liberal.
    All they care about is winning. Even if they know they are wrong they don't care.

  • kArupt||

    "Liberals feel it is OK to lie, cheat and steal to get your way, as long as you get your way."

    How is this different from conservatives? Christ, they're even spreading lies about the man's birth, without any evidence to support the accusation, oh i'm sorry i mean totally unbiased "questions"...

    Liberals are f*ckin morons, Conservatives are f*ckin morons as well, but I'm pretty confident the last 30 years has shown their dishonesty and hypocrisy to be a bit more stomach churning...

  • sarcasmic ||

    "How is this different from conservatives?"

    At least conservatives have principles.
    Some of them anyway.
    I've never met a principled liberal. Not a one.

    "Christ, they're even spreading lies about the man's birth..."

    Some are.
    If some do X then all do X is faulty logic.

    Not that I would ever accuse a liberal of employing logic.

  • Tony||

    Half of Republican voters believe Obama was not born in the US.

    Of course they also believe that humans and dinosaurs coexisted and that tax cuts increase revenues. These are the sources of their "principles."

  • sarcasmic ||

    Tax cuts can increase revenues.

    Unfortunately increased revenues don't result in deficit reduction when spending increases even faster.

    Not that I would expect a liberal to understand rudimentary economics.

  • Tony||

    Rudimentary economics = up is down. No they don't. Do a little research before you post lies. Not only lies, but obvious blatant contradictions.

  • sarcasmic ||

    Ever heard of the Laffer Curve?

  • sarcasmic ||

    "Not only lies, but obvious blatant contradictions."

    Only if you believe the economy is a zero sum game.

    Once you understand that it is not a zero sum game, and you understand the distinctions between income, money and wealth, and you learn to think with your mind instead of acting on your emotions like an animal, you will find it difficult to be a liberal.

    Not that I would ever expect you to do any of those things.

    You're too well trained.

  • Tony||

    Yes I've heard of the Laffer Curve. Even if it did apply, it doesn't confirm what you are claiming at all.

  • sarcasmic ||

    Tony - I know there's no convincing you because you, like most liberals I've known, are incapable of abstract thought. I'm starting to think it's genetic, because I've never met anyone who went from being unable to think in the abstract to being able to.
    Oh well.

  • ||

    It's not the Laffer Curve, it's the extreme vlaue theorem, and it is a mathematical property of continuous functions.

    0% tax rate on an activity produces 0 revenue. 100% tax rate on that activity produces 0 revenue (people stop doing it or evade the tax).

    By the extreme value theorem, either a) all tax rates produce 0 revenue, which is false, or b) there is a maximum revenue located between 0% and 100%.

    Federal tax revenue increased every year between 2001 and 2007.

  • Tony||

    Federal tax revenue increased every year between 2001 and 2007.

    And it would have increased more without the tax cuts.

  • ||

    Tony, meet Tony:

    No they don't. Do a little research before you post lies. Not only lies, but obvious blatant contradictions.

    Federal tax revenue increased every year between 2001 and 2007.

    And it would have increased more without the tax cuts.

    Congratulations on your triumphant refutation of yourself. Do some research before posting blatant contradictions.

  • Tony||

    It's not a contradiction. Bush economists have demonstrated that without the cuts there would have been more revenue. I am not trying to trick you, this is simple fact.

  • Mensan||

    So how does that correlate with the 51% of Democrats who think that 9/11 was an inside job?

  • kArupt||

    "Liberals feel it is OK to lie, cheat and steal to get your way, as long as you get your way.
    Right and wrong means nothing to a liberal.
    All they care about is winning. Even if they know they are wrong they don't care."

    "At least conservatives have principles.
    Some of them anyway.
    I've never met a principled liberal. Not a one."

    AND THEN:

    "If some do X then all do X is faulty logic."

    mmmm that's some good cognitive dissonance!

    Liberals are...
    Liberals are...
    Liberals are...
    Conservatives? Well that's different, I mean you can't judge on a few bad apples....

    LMAO, dumbass partisan

  • sarcasmic ||

    "LMAO, dumbass partisan"

    Nice signature.

  • kArupt||

    You got me, I bleed LP.

    Keep it up Partisan Hack, you're only helping my cause :-)

  • sarcasmic ||

    "You got me, I bleed LP."

    Bacteria bleeds?

  • kArupt||

    "Liberals feel it is OK to lie, cheat and steal to get your way..."

    "Right and wrong means nothing to a liberal..."

    "I've never met a principled liberal. Not a one."

    AND THEN:

    "If some do X then all do X is faulty logic."

    You are intellectually bankrupt sir, just admit it and crawl back to Red State.

    Dignity man, it's worth something ;-)

  • sarcasmic ||

    "Dignity man, it's worth something ;-)"

    Then why don't you have any?

  • kArupt||

    I don't believe i've contradicted myself once buddy, i pointed out where did so IN THE SAME THREAD! lol where is your shame?

  • sarcasmic ||

    Uh, no?
    Those descriptions I gave for liberals fit every single liberal I have ever in my experience run across. Granted I've yet to meet them all, but so far what I said describes 100% that I've had the misfortune of knowing.
    So it's not a matter of some, it's a matter of all.

    Your comment was about conservatives spreading lies about prezbo's birth. Do you mean that every single conservative is doing that? Every one? I don't think so. I know that won't stop you from lying and saying it is so, you are a liberal after all, but I know it to be untrue.

    No contradiction.

    Nice try though.

  • kArupt||

    lmao yeah ok, not even a liberal dude, what a f*ckin moron, my friends are gonna love laughin at your dumbass, please keep commenting :-) :-) :-)

  • sarcasmic ||

    "my friends are gonna love laughin at your dumbass"

    Your friends must be total losers if you impress them by what you post on message boards.

    Total losers.

    LMAO!

  • kArupt||

    not by what I write, impressed by your ignorance, and others, when i link this thread, again you = f*cking moron.

  • sarcasmic ||

    Loser! LMAO! What a loser!

  • sarcasmic ||

    Riddle me this Mr Corrupt Loser, if Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton were to run for president do you think anyone would question their citizenship?
    They are black after all.
    What about Colin Powell or Herman Cain (I would vote for him if given a chance)?
    They're black.

    What a loser.

  • nebby||

    Out of all of the Presidents with immigrant parent why is Obama the first one in history to have to show multiple forms of his birth certificate? There was never a legitimate reason to doubt it. If it wasn't racism was it just the continuing degradation of the Republican party?

  • kArupt||

    so when say "liberals" it only means all the liberals you've personally met or interacted with, but when i say conservatives it must mean every conservative that exists?

    wow...

  • ||

    'cause they're never wrong.

  • Rewrite...||

    Negros feel it is OK to lie, cheat and steal to get your way, as long as you get your way.
    Right and wrong means nothing to a Negro.
    All they care about is winning. Even if they know they are wrong they don't care.

  • ||

    Isn't this what that black woman said? You know, the one who doesn't want a Wal-Mart in her neighbo---well, in the neighborhood of the poor black people she avoids like the plague?

  • Tony||

    So racism is supposed to have been nearly obliterated in the last 30 years, but the stereotypes and anecdotes are the same...

  • C||

    He is dishonest because he asked for a source?

  • CE||

    I remember people arguing that because he [McCain] was born in Panama that he wasn't a citizen.,/i>

    Actually, he wasn't a natural born citizen. The law was changed two years after McCain was born, making him a naturalized citizen.

    And going back further, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were ineligible to be elected together, because both resided in the same state. (This did go to court, and the court ruled that Cheney having a second house in Wyoming made him eligible, in clear contradiction of the plain language of the Constitution.)

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    If you didn't hear anyone challenging McCain's citizenship, you must have been living under a big fucking rock.

  • MNG||

    Did people challenge McCain's citizenship apart from any connection of the challenge to Obama's? Iirc it was always brought up by someone answering the charges levelled re: Obama.

  • yonemoto||

  • Chester A. Arthur||

    Hey people still believe I was born in Canada or Ireland. Go figure.

  • Mo||

    You would need a conspiracy of Hawaiian officials. If the only evidence was newspaper birth announcements, yes all you would need is the mother and grandmother. However, once you start saying things like the short form birth certificate was faked by Hawaiian officials and doesn't tell the whole story, you expand the conspiracy past the family.

  • ||

    Apparently back in the day a baby's relative (say, his grandmother) could obtain a valid birth certificate for a newborn baby born at home based on an affidavit. The short-form birth certificate wouldn't reveal this information but the long-form one would make it clear.

    As I alluded in my original post I'm kind of embarrassed to even know the strongest arguments of the birthers.

  • yonemoto||

    I always thought the strongest argument of the birthers was the indonesian school argument (not really a "birth" argument) -that he had relinquished his citizenship early in life. Apparently he was registered in indonesian schools as an indonesian citizen (makes the whole process simpler, no doubt).

  • Some Guy||

    Or you need a vast conspiracy of Hawaiian officials and others to make baby Barack eligible for presidency 47 years later. All you needed was a conspiracy of Barack's mother and grandmother to assure Barack's US citizenship at birth.

    Hypothetically, how would his mom and grandmom have convinced a vast array of Hawaiian officials and others to provide and validate all the documentation that had been made available prior to this week?

  • Jeffersonian||

    Can fire melt birth certificates?

  • Jersey Patriot||

    I'm glad we have this all resolved. Now we can get to the business of impeachment, removal, trial, and execution for crimes against humanity.

  • cheney||

    what?

  • kissinger||

    Heh, I never get tired of hearing that sort of thing.

    Wait a couple years, Dick, and you'll be labeled "elder statesman" for your appearances on the Daily Show.

  • ||

    I suppose what makes this all plausible (conspiracies that is) is because so many of these events are fraught with strangeness. Take the president for example, the nagging question is this: Why didn't he release this 2 years ago when the Clintons asked? People make themselves vulnerable to these things by their behavior. Not to batter the current president on this, but why are his acedemic records sealed as well? I'm not even suggesting any conspiracy here, I'm just genuinely curious. You can also look at this another way: Why is it that the press seems so wildly uninterested in anything about the president's background and yet would (and have) reported with relish all existing, and non-existing, minutae on many other political figures? Does that not at least mildly suggest a minor conspiracy in itself? Again, I have no opinion about any particular conspriacy one way or the other, but like a police officer during a traffic stop; when someone acts suspicious, isn't it reasonable to at least ask?

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    This. I've always wondered why the hell he didn't just release the thing two years ago to shut everybody up. Instead, he spent how much on lawyers fighting the release of not only his birth certificate, but also any of his other records, such as college transcripts, etc.

    This from Mr. Open and Transparent.

  • Tony||

    he spent how much on lawyers fighting the release of not only his birth certificate, but also any of his other records, such as college transcripts, etc.

    $0

    You ignorant lying fuck. He did release his birth certificate. Then the goalpost was moved. And it's happening all over again. Imagine.

  • Sorry tony||

    All he did was get bushwacked (not a pun) by a bunch of wacko wingnuts. It happened because his popularity has plummeted for good reasons. It's Obama's own fault. Don't be so angry about it.

  • Tony||

    Birtherism is Obama's fault?

    I guess he should have known better than to engage in presidenting while black.

  • kArupt||

    ^^^THIS

  • Rock Action ||

    I love watching irrelevant trolls flock to irrelevancy. Look at Coco Tony and Lili-kAn Shtupp trying to coalesce around another dead animal. Is it good, fellas? Nice and festering and stinkbugged? Mmmm mmmm mmmm...keep pecking. The meat is close. Tear at that shit with your beaks. That's it, get right in there -- you truly make the internets hum with songbird-like conversation. You're making a difference. You really are.

  • Dubya||

    I hear there's rumors on the internets...

  • RA||

    /No plagey other thread. Must be the Ustream eagles.

    That said, Coco, won't you finish and take that rat songbird with you?

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    WILL YOU STOP WITH THE FUCKING CHILDISH AND HOLLOW CLAIMS OF RACISM, PLEASE?

    Fucking A, already. I don't give a flying fuck if he's bright green with yellow polka dots. I and most others who dislike the guy dislike him for multiple reasons, any and all of which have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the color of his skin.

    I swear to fucking christ, the left is so fucking obsessed with race, they see racism behind every blade of grass. Talk about projection.

    You're a disingenuous fucking asshole. Prick.

    And to be clear, I am not a birther. I've never had much of a problem with the proposition that the guy was born in the U.S. My question was why he didn't just fucking hit the question head-on. I mean, the moment the first claim came up, all he had to do was make a phone call or send a letter to the appropriate Hawaiian official and then present the certificate on TV and say, "In your face, you fucking birther morons!"

    I have a problem with the guy not because his skin tone a shade or two darker than mine (and really, it is only a shade or two - I'm a swarthy Celt), but because he's a world-class narcissist, an elitist and a pathological liar. All you have to do is tick off the long list of promises and plain statements he made on the campaign and compare them to his actions in office. He has blatantly ignored and disregarded just about everything he represented himself as standing for during the campaign and failed to do an awful lot of what he plainly and expressly promised he was going to do.

  • sarcasmic ||

    "WILL YOU STOP WITH THE FUCKING CHILDISH AND HOLLOW CLAIMS OF RACISM, PLEASE?"

    Why? It's so much easier to accuse someone of racism than to talk about actual issues.
    Someone doesn't like Obama's policy? Accuse them of racism. Now you don't have to debate policy, you can just point your finger and call them a racist.
    Someone sees Obama as a child going to school in a foreign country and wants to see his birth certificate?
    Call them a racist. Now the subject is them, not Obama.

    These clowns will never stop with the accusations of racism because they're ignorant fuckheads who could never handle a substantive debate.

  • Tavis, Rachel, Ed, Chris...||

    Liar!

  • Middle Age Crazy||

    "In your face, you fucking birther morons!"

    I had been thinking how lame it was of Team Obama not to put this to rest shortly after he took office. They won. They should've acted like it.

    Now, seeing how much the continued HURR-DURR-HURR distracts from the issue of their job performance, I no longer think so. It was despicable, but sadly effective.

  • Rrabbit||

    Tony's point is that Obama did that. There are pictures of the certificate of live birth all over the internet, like
    here

    And after Obama did that, the birthers said, "Oh, but we want the long form birth certificate". It is probably completely immaterial what he does, as the idiots will always claim that he is not a US citizens, just like some other idiots will always claim that the Bush administration had planned 9/11.

  • Middle Age Crazy||

    Thanks for the link Rrabbit; that's more than I wanted to know about this whole stupid affair. I withdraw the veiled accusation.

  • Rewrite...||

    "He has blatantly ignored and disregarded just about everything he represented himself as standing for during the campaign and failed to do an awful lot of what he plainly and expressly promised he was going to do."

    True, but in his defense he throws fantastic parties at the Whitehouse.

  • ||

    I don't give a flying fuck if he's bright green with yellow polka dots.

    You do realize, that this statement alone, is pretty clear proof of your innate racism?

    While working at a business publishing house, we got a lot of 'diversity' material. One intriguing item was a kit for diversity seminars. In the workbook, there was a chapter explaining how making up these odd colored people showed discomfort with the actual minorities in questions. It then theorized that this discomfort was caused by racist attitudes.

    So, they can explain anything as racism.

  • ||

    One of my undergraduate textbooks (paraphrasing here) said something to the effect of "Anyone who claims to treat people the same regardless of skin color is a racist. Anyone who denies being uncomfortable around people of a different race is a racist, suppressing racist attitudes by claiming acceptance. Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that race factors in to how they perceive people is a racist."

    The book went on to say that challenging any of those points was evidence of racist attitudes.

    The class figured that basically everybody on planet Earth is a bigoted racist, but the book also said it is impossible for minorities to be racist, so we were kind of stumped.

  • Yes, it is||

    His own fucking arrogance brought it on -- a lot of his former cultish defenders have drifted away because of his own actions. His aura has tarnished. Don't play the race card -- some might think you support Obama for one reason only.

  • Chester A. Arthur||

    Hey I got the same treatment and I'm a white boy. What, that doesn't fit your "presidenting while black narrative?"

  • Tony||

    Okay, I concede that if the president were white with foreign parentage by way of, say, Sweden, it's possible that a similar conspiracy theory would have been concocted. The beauty of ridiculous conspiracy theories about Democratic presidents is that they can be about anything, since they are lies.

    The issue of race is more complex than "Obama is black, therefore I hate him." But race is still at the heart of Republican politics and has been since the 1960s. For example, polling shows that it's not the welfare state that conservatives oppose (they love their own handouts), it's welfare that goes to black people.

  • Coco!||

    COCO COCO COCO COCO!

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    The issue of race is more complex than "Obama is black, therefore I hate him."

    Can you not get it through your skull that for the vast majority of people who are displeased with him, his being (half) black has absolutely ZERO to do with it?

  • Tony||

    his being (half) black

    See, this is like that "I don't care if he's green purple or polka-dot" upthread. It's like you guys don't understand the simplest aspects of racial politics. Why the fuck would I care if he's only, as you say "half black"? Is it some big mystery to you why the president is referred to as being black? Are racists supposed to be half as racist toward him? I get the feeling that this is how you actually see the world.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    For example, polling shows that it's not the welfare state that conservatives oppose (they love their own handouts), it's welfare that goes to black people.

    "Polling" means precisely jack fucking squat. I can't repeat enough Samuel Clemens' brilliant quote: "There are three kinds of lies: lies; damn lies; and statistics." Clever pollsters can devise a poll to "prove" whatever the fuck you want.

    race is still at the heart of Republican politics and has been since the 1960s.

    You are so full of shit you can't even see it. If all the Republicans and conservatives are so racist, and the only reason people don't like Obama because he's black, please explain:

    - Colin Powell
    - Condi Rice
    - Walter Williams
    - Thomas Sowell
    - Representative Allen West

    Shit, Jesse Jackson himself was recorded not all that long ago saying he'd like to cut Barack's balls off.

    And then there were the lefty progressives just a few short weeks ago recorded on video saying they wanted to "string up" Clarence Thomas, or "send him back out in the fields", or "cut his toes off and feed them to him."

    Fuck you and your tired, worn out meme about how everyone other than Dems and libs are racist. The fucking Dems and libs are the most racist and intolerant people I've ever met. The perpetuate the myth that black people are incapable of taking care of themselves and need the largesse of (white-run) government merely to survive.

  • Tony||

    As I said, it's more complicated than skin color, which liberals I admit could do with understanding better.

  • sarcasmic ||

    If I can't renew my driver's license without showing them my birth certificate, why shouldn't it be demanded of the president of the fucking country?
    There's nothing in the Constitution that says I need to prove I'm a natural born citizen to drive a car, but it's right there as a requirement for the presidency!

    You ignorant fuck!

  • Tony||

    It's a good thing he presented it before he was elected then.

  • sarcasmic ||

    He was elected yesterday?

  • Tony||

    He showed his birth certificate before he was elected. He showed another version of it yesterday.

  • Why?||

  • nebby||

    He presented it years ago. he has just been dealing with dumbfucks who don't know how government records work. He idn't play their game of moving goalposts for a couple of years until it just got to be so stupid he caved. The the posts moved again. never negotiate with racists.

  • Beezard||

    never negotiate with racists.

    This is probably coming from someone who locks his door anytime a black woman with a baby stroller comes within 30 feet of his/her car.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Yeah, and I'm quite confident and convinced that this is the exact position you would take if the situation were reversed and it was John McCain's or George Bush's place of birth that was being questioned.

    You are such a disingenuous, hypocritical sack of shit.

  • sarcasmic ||

    "You are such a disingenuous, hypocritical sack of shit."

    You could have saved some typing and just called him a liberal.

  • Tony||

    But that wouldn't have happened. They are white. Both Bush and McCain had, if anything, legitimacy issues more associated with reality than does Obama. But thing sort of thing would never have developed to this extent about them and you know it.

    Not that it's all about race. If the dem president were white there would be some other sort of bullshit.

  • Well then||

    there would have been the equivalent BLUE team idiots clamoring for McCain's birth records to verify that it really said "Caucasion" in the race box. Fuck you, really, tone tone what a big fucking baby you are. Grow up.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Tony, your repeated posts have made it abundantly clear that you are a racist. Period. There simply are no two ways about it. Everything comes down to the color of a person's skin. That is racism, period.

    Either that, or you have the reasoning and critical thinking abilities of an 8 year-old.

  • Tony||

    I fail to understand why you are so breathlessly defending birthers against accusations of racism or for any other reason.

  • sarcasmic ||

    If Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton ran there would be no question of citizenship.

    Last I checked they're black.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    If Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton ran there would be no question of citizenship.

    I don't recall anyone questioning Alan Keyes' place of birth, or his right to run for Republican nominee.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    I fail to understand why you are so breathlessly defending birthers against accusations of racism or for any other reason.

    Show me where I defended birthers, asshole. So not only are you obsessed with categorizing people by skin color, you also fail at reading comprehension.

  • kArupt||

    How is it not racist?? The claims are that he is Muslim and/or Indonesian National and/or Kenyan born.... without a shred of evidence. what links these 3 claims? they represent "the other", it's all about promoting the idea that Obama is "not one of us", not american, not christian, not a u.s. citizen... all euphamisism for what they can't say out loud... Not White.

  • kArupt||

    *euphemisms

  • MJ||

    What links two of those claims is the fact his biological father was a Kenyan citizen and a Muslim. It scanty, circumstantial evidence, but it is not nonexistant. The reason for it is simple. For whatever reason one opposes Obama, his not being a citizen is a magic bullet for the problem of Obama being President. If Obama is not a citizen, he is not legally president and should be removed immediately. It's not necessarily racist, it is looking for a quick way to end Obama's presidency.

  • sarcasmic ||

    "Either that, or you have the reasoning and critical thinking abilities of an 8 year-old."

    I think that would be more accurate.

  • sarcasmic ||

    "Why is it that the press seems so wildly uninterested in anything about the president's background and yet would (and have) reported with relish all existing, and non-existing, minutae on many other political figures?"

    They know that doing so would be responded to with wild accusations of racism, as any criticism of the president is.

  • MJ||

    Why was the press angsting about Palin's lack of political experience when running for the lesser office of Vice President, but completely unconcerned about Obama's similarly short resume when running for the top job? Same reason, they wanted him to win.

  • Busy Commander Obama||

    After making political points for a couple of years at the wacky birfers' expense, I finally got punked by them. I have a very busy schedule: War on AsiaAfrikaMidEast, War on Economy, War on Domestic Enemies, and sneaking in a cigarrette and a game of golf.

  • rts||

    Conspiracy theories are simply the latest TEAM RED TEAM BLUE dance:

    The poll found that a majority of young adults give at least some credence to a 9/11 conspiracy compared to less than a fourth of people 65 or older. Members of racial and ethnic minorities, people with only a high school education and Democrats were especially likely to suspect federal involvement in 9/11.

    Source

    More info

    (I like how "people with only a high school education" was paired with "and Democrats" in that description.)

  • yonemoto||

    nice article hinkle, but two things:

    1) it's worth noting that the birther movement was born by a Clinton supporter during the democratic primaries.

    2) If I recall the DailyPaul threads, there was actually quite a bit of murmuring about McCain and the PCZ stuff (also during the primaries). And goldwater, too, for what it's worth (born in a territory).

  • Tony||

    Um the 2000 "election" actually did happen that way.

    Thinking that was a shining example of law triumphing over politics is the nutter belief.

  • Now now toney||

    now you are engaging in your "own" wacky conspiracy theories.

  • Tony||

    Bush, loser of the national popular vote, was only installed as president because 5 supreme court justices ended the counting in Florida. That actually did happen.

  • crossofcrimson||

    "Bush, loser of the national popular vote"

    We don't elect presidents by national popular vote...

  • Tony||

    Really?

  • crossofcrimson||

    Well it seemed worth pointing out to you, as if it had any bearing whatsoever on the validity of the election - I wanted to be sure your brain didn't short-circuit.

  • Tony||

    It's just the icing on the cake of tragedy and absurdity of the Bush "election."

  • crossofcrimson||

    It's only fairly recently that the idea of a national popular vote has really entered the mainstream in American presidential politics. So, considering how long our system has been based on states essentially electing the president, I'm not sure there's enough icing there to cover the proverbial cake. Unless you amended the constitution when we weren't aware of it, I'm not sure how you can put that in your pile of legal grievances.

  • Mensan||

    It's only fairly recently that the idea of a national popular vote has really entered the mainstream in American presidential politics.

    I think it has something to do with politicians and pundits (especially Democrats) constantly referring to "our democracy." Simply by interminably repeating this lie, they have convinced many people that the U.S. is a democracy rather than a representative republic.

  • Tony||

    Sometimes my mommy lets me smell her farts right up close.

  • crossofcrimson||

    "Sometimes my mommy lets me smell her farts right up close."

    More substantive than your previous comments...

  • Now now toney||

    Bush's election may have been an absurd tragedy, but it was not an "election". EVERYBODY understands that Bushy-boy lost the nationwide popular vote -- what is new? You're acting as ignorantly as the troofers and birfers today, tone.

  • Coco!||

    Coco!

  • elitist founders||

    certainly not. we never trusted the proletariat scum & devised the electorial college.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Yeah, that's right - it's not like they knew anything about the tyrrany of the majority and the hazards of a pure democracy or anything. I mean, if only they had done some kind of reading of history and political philosophy before they scratched out that dumb old Constitution. I mean, they just made the whole damn thing up out of nothing! Assholes.

  • Tony||

    Why are you defending the practice of elite bodies choosing the makeup of your government? Why have an election at all if the outcome of the vote can be overruled?

    Anyway the real issue is that the dubious means of Bush's installation as president was merely the first in a long line of assaults in the well-being of this country from which it may never recover.

  • Coco!||

    COCO COCO COCO COCO COCO!

  • Why do you keep repeating||

    that obvious falsehood about the vote? Who's defending that straw man, anyway? Fuck, do you want to talk about Kennedy-Nixon next? You are a fucking elitist yourself, aren't you? Talking about the country recovering from the Bush Era, Obama has pretty much quashed any chance of that with his own destructive policies.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    the first in a long line of assaults in the well-being of this country from which it may never recover.

    You're right - the most recent of which was and continues to be the immaculation of Our Dear Leader, He-Who-Must-Not-Ever-Be-Criticized.

  • A Majority of Voters||

    "Why are you defending the practice of elite bodies choosing the makeup of your government? Why have an election at all if the outcome of the vote can be overruled?"

    We have decided by popular vote that all gays should be rounded up and executed, but fortunately you're okay with that.

  • Pip||

    You honestl;y would have wanted an Al Gore presidency after all we now know about the guy?

  • Tony||

    He was never my first choice but he sure as fuck would have been better than what we got.

  • Coco||

  • ponchy||

    Tony, I'm not going to go into the whole electoral college thing or whether it's a good or a bad idea. I'm certainly not convinced we'd be worse off going to a straight popular vote system, although it would be hard to get there from here.

    But for me, what grates is when people say Bush "stole" the election or was an illegitimate president or something like that. Bush won both of the elections according to the rules of the elections as they were set out prior to the elections, and we know that because the supreme court said so. As a guy who, if memory serves, has argued in favor of the idea that the constitution says whatever the supreme court says it says, it seems like you should be the first person defending Bush's legitimate election even if you think the election rules should be changed.

    To me, it's like if there were a football game, and a terrifically unpopular team happened to win, after the game it was decided that in fact football outcomes should be determined by popular vote. Retards would run things that way.

  • Tony||

    I certainly agree with you. I don't know where this got off course but my initial point was that there are at least reasonable questions to be posed regarding Bush's legitimacy where there aren't regarding Obama's.

  • Rrabbit||

    Not true. Al Gore had requested a recount in four Florida counties. If that recount would have been completed, Bush would have still won Florida.

    Only if all Florida votes would have been recounted, Al Gore would have won. But instead of getting a fair election result, Gore cherry picked in which counties to request a recount.
    Al Gore fully got what he deserved.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Don't annoy the boy with pesky facts; they contradict his preferred version of history.

    Nevermind that a full recount conducted after the litigation was over, applying the standards that the court would have required, showed that Bush would have won anyway.

  • Tony||

    Maybe. Then again, if the president of the whole country happened to be required to have received a majority of votes in said country, Gore would have been president and we may have avoided the unprecedented number of horrific fuck-ups that have diminished this country probably forever.

  • That's like saying||

    if Obama had recently presented a Kenyan birth certificate instead of the real one, then........

    We probably would have avoided the Iraq war. However, after seeing the Obama/Progressive-and-I-assume-Gore approach to military matters we would have gotten into some other quagmire, more likely Afghanistan, where we are now anyway. Like Obama, Bush and Gore are dividers, not uniters, so we would still have had the socio-political animosities at home.

  • Tony||

    Show your name, coward.

    I sincerely doubt Al Gore would have invaded Iraq.

  • Coco ||

    Coco Coco Coco Coco Coco Coco Coco!!!!!

  • cuckoo, cuckoo this is fun||

  • Fuck you||

    that's exactly what I said, can't you read?

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    the unprecedented number of horrific fuck-ups that have diminished this country probably forever

    Including all of those committed by Obama in the last two years? He has not only continued, but in fact expanded, many of the hated Bush policies and practices and has even further devalued our international good will. Obama and the socialists and communist sympathizers he has elevated to high office are doing more damage in two years than Bush was able to do in eight.

  • Tony||

    Name one socialist or communist sympathizer in the Obama administration.

    Goodwill toward the US jumped further than it ever had in a short period of time after Obama assumed office. It's probably gone down some.

    Every major preventable crisis is having to deal with started under Bush.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Goodwill toward the US jumped further than it ever had in a short period of time after Obama assumed office.

    Yeah, because they bought the hype. As we've now seen, it was all sizzle and no steak.

    It's probably gone down some.

    O.K., now I'm done dealing with you, because you're clearly disconnected from reality.

  • Tony||

    Okay fine run away the moment I ask you to back up your absurd, paranoid claims.

  • coco co||

  • There is a least one||

    Mao cultist. You can't deny that.

  • And not ONE of them||

    started with Clinton, Bush I, Reagan or Carter??? Don't mention the "preventable crises".

  • Tony||

    Sure. Why does Bush II get a pass on those if he did nothing to reverse them?

  • And not ONE||

    He doesn't, of course, he only gets blame. And if his successor does nothing either, he gets no pass. Note that Obama just put Gen Patraeus up for CIA director....I think that is continuing in the wrong direction.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Hey Tony, who filed the lawsuit that started the whole Bush v. Gore thing? I.e., who raced to the court to try to get some judges to install him as president?

  • Mensan||

    Multiple independent recounts were conducted after the court stopped the official recount. They showed that Bush won in Florida. That actually did happen.

  • MNG||

    Screw whether Obama is a citizen, is Superman?

    In Action Comics’ new record-breaking 900th issue, the iconic super hero renounces his U.S citizenship following a clash with the federal government.

    http://www.foxnews.com/enterta.....0th-issue/

  • MNG||

    Besides being riddled with a blatant lack of patriotism, and respect for our country, Superman's current creators are belittling the United States as a whole Hollywood publicist and GOP activist Angie Meyer told FOX411's Pop Tarts column.

    Oh, yummy!

  • Doc S||

    This might be the first worthwhile post in these comments.

  • cynical||

    He probably just couldn't take having a black president. It's disgusting, but people were just more racist in his day.

  • CE||

    Screw whether Obama is a citizen, is Superman?

    Superman is clearly an illegal alien/undocumented worker. Not only that, he signed up for Social Security benefits under an alias, Clark Kent. "Truth, justice, and the American way" my eye.

  • billquoted||

    Umberto Eco, from Foucault's Pendulum:

    Not that the incredulous person doesn't believe in anything. It's just that he doesn't believe everything. Or he believes in one thing at a time. He believes a second thing only if it somehow follows from the first thing. He is nearsighted and methodical, avoiding wide horizons. If two things don't fit, but you believe both of them, thinking that somewhere, hidden, there must be a third thing that connects them, that's credulity.

  • billquoted||

    Umberto Eco, from Foucault's Pendulum:

    Not that the incredulous person doesn't believe in anything. It's just that he doesn't believe everything. Or he believes in one thing at a time. He believes a second thing only if it somehow follows from the first thing. He is nearsighted and methodical, avoiding wide horizons. If two things don't fit, but you believe both of them, thinking that somewhere, hidden, there must be a third thing that connects them, that's credulity.

  • ||

    You can say that again!

  • db||

    A new NIH study has shown strong correlation between belief in conspiracy theories and low fluoride content in drinking water.

  • ||

    Way to go Barton! That's the funniest article I've seen in Reason in ages.

  • From another thread||

  • Lee Harvey Oswald||

    I was just a patsy.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    I guess this guy is racist, too.

  • Skip||

    The only people who don't want this story to go away are a dozen retards at Free Republic and the entire Lefty blogosphere.

  • CE||

    If you're not a conspiracy theorist, you're being too gullible.

  • hole||

    Thanks ForSharing

  • HL112||

    What I find funny is that Obama Isn't even sure he was born in the U.S. How could he be? He was an infant at the time.

  • ||

    All of this can be summed up in three words:

    pure unbridled racism.

  • ||

    Okay, these conspiracy theories are perpetuated by the media. If there weren't constant coverage of Trump getting his nuts in a vice about Obamas birth certificate, most people would no even waste their time thinking about it.

    The real question shoul be, who does the polling, what are the exact questions being asked and who are they asking.

    The media for some reason is fascinated by this shit. Their relentless coverage helps to legitimize the conspiracy.

    The media has no curiosity, no desire to dig beyond the surface. They just like headlines that have a nice zing to them. Don't bother with context, logic, facts or source validation, just print the survey numbers because it sounds interesting.

  • ||

    Any consideration of Barack Obama should begin with an awareness of the fact that he has always concealed virtually the entire paper trail of his existence. Practically every personal record and document from his past has never been released or allowed to be subjected to any sort of scrutiny.

    Astute observers in corridors of power and other quarters have tended to take Obama at his word, that he was indeed born somewhere in Hawaii. Most serious people in public life consider it unlikely that he was born anywhere else.

    Whether his actual birth mother was in fact the late Stanley Ann Dunham and his biological father the late Kenyan Barack Obama "Sr." is quite another matter, one that has long been a subject of international speculation that is rapidly growing with the approach of the 2012 presidential election.

    The controversy of the true origins of the man of mystery known as Barack Hussein Obama is fast becoming less a matter of "Where?" and more a matter of "Who?"

    Whether the current president's actual birth mother was the late Stanley Ann Dunham or some other female, and whether his actual biological father was the late Kenyan Barack Obama "Sr." or his boyhood mentor the late CPUSA member Frank Marshall Davis or his late "grandfather" Stanley Armour Dunham (arguably the likeliest candidate - see cashill.com among numerous other sources) or some other man, is all far less relevant to the future of the United States than the facts about his past associations and ideological convictions and behavioral influences and ongoing relationships.

    This is the sort of information about their presidential candidates that American voters believe they have the need, and the right, to know.

    The sort of information that Barack Obama and his handlers are determined to keep from them.

    They were able to hide Obama's past and explain away and minimize his relationships with highly controversial individuals and groups during their 2008 campaign.

    Will they be able to effectively repeat this deception between now and 6 November 2012?

    Only if you let them.

  • Emperor Wears No Clothes||

    I still haven't heard:
    What difference does it make?
    He's the president. Let him preside. Then vote one way or the other next time out.
    Jeebus, what is it about you people that you can be so easily diverted by such a circus sideshow.

  • ||

    I'm not saying the guy wasn't born in the US, but he's clearly having a laugh at our expense on the whole birth certificate issue:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4

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    In my opinion it's just one step short of the "one party democracies" many dictators and so-called communist countries employ.

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