Jesse Walker from the October 2009 issue
On June 10, 2009, an elderly man entered the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, raised a rifle, and opened fire, killing a security guard named Stephen Tyrone Johns. Two other guards shot back, wounding the gunman before he could end any more lives.
The killer was soon identified as James Wenneker von Brunn, an 88-year-old neo-Nazi. Von Brunn acted alone, but there was no shortage of voices eager to spread the blame for his crime. The murder was quickly linked, in a free-associative way, to the assassination 10 days earlier of the Kansas abortionist George Tiller. This, we were told, was a "pattern" of "rising right-wing violence."
More imaginative pundits tried to tie the two slayings to a smattering of other crimes, from an April shootout in Pittsburgh that killed three cops to a year-old double murder at a Knoxville Unitarian church. The longest such list, assembled by the liberal blogger Sara Robinson, included nine diverse incidents linked only by the fact that the criminals all hailed from one corner or another of the paranoid right. One of the episodes involved a mentally disturbed anti-Semite who had stalked a former classmate for two years before killing her in May. "This is how terrorism begins," Robinson warned.
Crime wave thus established, the analysts moved on to denounce the unindicted instigators. Bonnie Erbe of U.S. News and World Report pinned the museum guard's death on "promoters of hate," adding, "If yesterday's Holocaust Museum slaying of security guard and national hero Stephen Tyrone Johns is not a clarion call for banning hate speech, I don't know what is." In The New York Times, columnist Bob Herbert wrote that he "can't help feeling" the crimes "were just the beginning and that worse is to come"—thanks in part to "the over-the-top rhetoric of the National Rifle Association." His Times colleague Paul Krugman warned that "right-wing extremism is being systematically fed by the conservative media and political establishment." Another Timesman, Frank Rich, announced that "homicide-saturated vituperation is endemic among mini-Limbaughs." After the museum murder, Rich wrote, the talk show host Glenn Beck "rushed onto Fox News to describe the Obama-hating killer as a 'lone gunman nutjob.' Yet in the same show Beck also said von Brunn was a symptom that 'the pot in America is boiling,' as if Beck himself were not the boiling pot cheering the kettle on."
When critics blamed pro-life partisans for the death of George Tiller, there at least was a coherent connection between the pundits' anti-abortion rhetoric and the assassin's target. Say what you will about Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, but neither is known for railing against the Holocaust museum. If Beck, to borrow Rich's mixed metaphor, is cheering on a kettle, it isn't the kettle that produced James von Brunn.
We've heard ample warnings about extremist paranoia in the months since Barack Obama became president, and we're sure to hear many more throughout his term. But we've heard almost nothing about the paranoia of the political center. When mainstream commentators treat a small group of unconnected crimes as a grand, malevolent movement, they unwittingly echo the very conspiracy theories they denounce. Both brands of connect-the-dots fantasy reflect the tellers' anxieties much more than any order actually emerging in the world.
When such a story is directed at those who oppose the politicians in power, it has an additional effect. The list of dangerous forces that need to be marginalized inevitably expands to include peaceful, legitimate critics.
The Paranoid Style in Center-Left Politics
This isn't the first time the establishment has been overrun with paranoia about paranoiacs. The classic account of American conspiratology is Richard Hofstadter's "The Paranoid Style in American Politics," a 1964 survey of political fear from the founding generation through the Cold War. A flawed and uneven essay, Hofstadter's article nonetheless includes several perceptive passages. The most astute one might be this:
"It is hard to resist the conclusion that this enemy is on many counts the projection of the self; both the ideal and the unacceptable aspects of the self are attributed to him. The enemy may be the cosmopolitan intellectual, but the paranoid will outdo him in the apparatus of scholarship, even of pedantry. Secret organizations set up to combat secret organizations give the same flattery. The Ku Klux Klan imitated Catholicism to the point of donning priestly vestments, developing an elaborate ritual and an equally elaborate hierarchy. The John Birch Society emulates Communist cells and quasi-secret operation through 'front' groups, and preaches a ruthless prosecution of the ideological war along lines very similar to those it finds in the Communist enemy."
Hofstadter didn't acknowledge it, but his argument applied to much of his audience as well. His article begins with a reference to "extreme right-wingers," a lead that reflected the times. In the early 1960s, America was experiencing a wave of alarm about the radical right. This had been building throughout the Kennedy years and then exploded after the president's assassination, which many people either blamed directly on the far right or attributed to an atmosphere of fear and division fed by right-wing rhetoric. By the time Hofstadter's essay appeared, the "projection of the self" he described was in full effect. Just as anti-communists had mimicked the communists, anti-anti-communists were emulating the red hunters.
In 1961, for example, Walter and Victor Reuther of the United Auto Workers wrote a 24-page memo urging then-Attorney General Bobby Kennedy to join "the struggle against the radical right." The letter, co-authored by the liberal attorney Joseph Rauh, called for Kennedy to deploy the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Internal Revenue Service, and the Federal Communications Commission against the extremists. By "the radical right," the Reuthers meant not just the Birchers and the fundamentalist Christian Crusade but Sen. Barry Goldwater and the libertarian Volker Fund. In Before the Storm, his history of the Goldwater movement, Rick Perlstein describes Group Research Incorporated, an operation funded by the Reuthers' union, as "the mirror image of the political intelligence businesses that monitored left-wingers in the 1950s, identifying fellow-travelling organizations by counting the number of members and officers shared with purported Communist Party fronts. Group Research did the same thing, substituting the John Birch Society for the reds."
Interestingly, the phrases that sounded so dangerous on the lips of the far right weren't always so different from the rhetoric of the Cold War liberals. Robert DePugh, founder of the Minutemen—the anti-communist activists of the '60s, not the anti-immigration activists of today—claimed to have been inspired by JFK's own words: "We need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life." In Before the Storm, Perlstein notes that Kennedy "spoke often in these absolutist, apocalyptic terms."
Philip Jenkins, a scholar at Pennsylvania State University who specializes in both the history of moral panics and the history of the American right, has described this period as the second of three "brown scares" ("brown" as in the brown shirts of fascism). The first came in the late 1930s and early '40s, when aides and allies of Franklin Roosevelt conflated genuine domestic fascists with critics who were far from Nazis. The third came in the mid-1990s, when Timothy McVeigh's mass murder in Oklahoma City set off a barrage of fear-mongering stories about the alleged militia menace in the heartland, helping Bill Clinton push through the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act. The anxieties of the latter period have the most in common with the cocktail of fears emerging in 2009.
The Great Militia Panic
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I guess we're not alone then.
http://pubphilosopher.blogs.com/pub_philosopher/2005/07/what_is_it_abou.html
Leftwing/rightwing violence is a myth created by
leftwing/rightwing in order to blame the other team for someone's
violence.
It's government folks. Government is always interested in
marginalizing protests against it.
To blame the other team for violence is great 24 news channel
drama.
Excuse me: WHAT right-wing violence? So far, most of the violence in this country from ANY specific GROUP comes from police officers, especially now that counties have given them a new pair, euphemistically called "tasers."
The second worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil was committed by a right-wing extremist. Strangely nobody felt the need to waterboard anyone.
...Churchill writes,"the public became well acquainted with
the archetypal militiaman, usually portrayed as warped by racial
hatred, obsessed with bizarre conspiracy theories, and hungry for
violent retribution."
During the 2002 beltway sniper murder spree, the profilers
described a white Timothy McVeigh type who fit this mold. Besides
being black, and not being a militiaman, John Allen Muhammad did
fit the mold pretty well.
Why would McVeigh be "right-wing"?
Just because he attacked a federal building due to his
anti-government views reaching a peak after being a eyewitness to
the Waco ordeal?
Of course the right-wing loves to hold the anti-government patriot
flag when they are not in power.
The only political violence I can recall from the past couple of
decades came from the left. The Anti-Globalization, PeTA and Earth
First! crowd use to be pretty violent. But I haven't heard much
from that corner lately.
From the right all I can think of are individual acts of
fucknuttery. Abortion clinics and so forth.
Tony, is the vague reference an effort to engage someone in a conversation where you will domonstrate how right wingers are the biggest turrurists? Against better judgement, I'll bite. I assume you are referring to the first world trade center bombing in 1993. It is true we did not waterboard anyone. So what? And yes, I agree, them Islams are mouth breathing right wingers. So?
I get the odd feeling that I've read this before. Is this a reprint of work done for some other source?
How about the riots in Seattle during the WTO meetings? Not too many anti-globalists could be called "right wing." And many of them stated flat out that they wanted to shut the conferences down.
McVeigh was bothered by the slaughter of fleeing soldiers during
the Iraq war, the government's cavalier dismissal of "collateral
damage" deaths, and abuse of police power. Hardly right winger type
concerns. That's why I assume Tony/Lefiti/whoever meant the failed
WTC bombing. It was only second to 9/11 because it failed to cause
the complete instant death of everyone in the building.
But, by all means, let's not discuss the activities of those, like
Tony, on the left/right continuum that like to stifle debate with
the sort of ameteurish but apparently quite successful methods
outlined in Jesse Walker's excellent piece. That is the actual
intention of Tony's 1st post (of which there will be many
more).
Why would McVeigh be "right-wing"?
Probably the same reason he is frequently identified as a pro-life
christian racist in spite of reports that he was pro-choice and an
atheist and among the things that had upset him in the Gulf War
were the racist attitudes officers and other personel had towards
Arabs.
I think it's fair to say that McVeigh was a confused (and
confusing) man. And some people will always shape him to fit their
own narrative, as they will with others when it suits them.
I get the odd feeling that I've read this before. Is this a
reprint of work done for some other source?
A much shorter version was published on the website over the
summer. This is the expanded remix that ran in the October print
edition of our magazine.
Why would McVeigh be "right-wing"?
I agree that it's hard to fit a lot of the '90s "patriot" movement
into the conventional left-right spectrum. Still, when a guy finds
inspiration in The Turner Diaries, it's not unfair to
associate him with the far right.
What I find amusing is all the ginned up hysteria (stoked by
groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center) about all the
"dangerous right wing groups" who are going to start a massive wave
of violence any minute now. And any minute now keeps getting pushed
back and the same predictions keep getting recycled over and over
again. It similar to the environental doomsters who have
predicticted 500 of the last zero mass famines due to the food
running out.
Meanwhile we have plenty of real gangs that commit lots of violence
every day of the year and have been for decades and the folks
squealing about right wing gangs never raise a peep about them.
These gangs would be the Crips, Bloods, MS-13 and a whole bunch of
other street gangs.
The Anti-Globalization, PeTA and Earth First! crowd use to
be pretty violent. But I haven't heard much from that corner
lately.
Keep your eyes on Pittsburgh...
The second worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil was committed
by a right-wing extremist. Strangely nobody felt the need to
waterboard anyone.
But hey, at least McVeigh was tried, convicted, and executed in six
years.
It's now been eight years since 9/11, and the last time I checked,
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was still alive.
"Strangely nobody felt the need to waterboard anyone."
But we did kill the perp.
"Is this a reprint of work done for some other source?"
Can't be. It doesn't have Suderman's by-line.
If "liberals" want to reduce the threat of "right-wing" militia, Timothy McVeigh imitators, etc., they might want to consider cutting back on the statism. Just a thought, State-fellators.
"When mainstream commentators treat a small group of unconnected
crimes as a grand, malevolent movement, they unwittingly echo the
very conspiracy theories they denounce. Both brands of
connect-the-dots fantasy reflect the tellers' anxieties much more
than any order actually emerging in the world."
That or they become the real conspiracy via projection. Most
totalitarian ideologies come to power by fighting against imagined
conspiracies... once in power, they do everything they accused the
conspiracy of plotting.
If "liberals" want to reduce the threat of "right-wing"
militia, Timothy McVeigh imitators, etc., they might want to
consider cutting back on the statism. Just a thought,
State-fellators.
Is that what we would call "blowback?"
Hey! Like the pun?
The modern Minutemen are "anti-immigrant"?
I thought they were opposed to the free passage of illegals,
immigrant or otherwise, across our borders. American law is, too;
the aim of the Minutemen is hardly radical or extra-legal.
Surely Reason doesn't equate immigrants and illegals?
"Most totalitarian ideologies come to power by fighting against
imagined conspiracies... once in power, they do everything they
accused the conspiracy of plotting."
Shhhhhhh....
But hey, at least McVeigh was tried, convicted, and executed
in six years.
It's now been eight years since 9/11, and the last time I checked,
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was still alive.
If Virginia prosecutors have their way, John Allen Muhammad will be
executed November 9., seven years after. But he generally makes for
good theatre.
If "liberals" want to reduce the threat of "right-wing" militia, Timothy McVeigh imitators, etc., they might want to consider cutting back on the statism. Just a thought, State-fellators.
If you don't want me to rape your wife maybe she should consider
showing a little less cleavage.
"If you don't want me to rape your wife maybe she should
consider showing a little less cleavage."
I'll go with things the state would say for $100, Wink.
-Oklahoma City
-Abortion clinic bombings
-Abortion doctor murders
-Kooks that have run into liberal-leaning churches and opened fire,
and shot up the holocaust museum
Many more
And brain-addled guys that carry AK's to peaceful events are a disaster waiting to happen
Here's what pisses me off. When I was a kid, Beck meant
guitarist Joe Beck.
Then about twenty years ago, Beck meant the new guy who did "Where
It's At". And I was okay with that because he too is a great
musician.
But now, Beck refers to that pudgy white closeted gay man who cries
on TV.
How fucked up is that???
If "liberals" want to reduce the threat of "right-wing"
militia, Timothy McVeigh imitators, etc., they might want to
consider cutting back on the statism.
What? And give in to the terrorists? Never!
Just a thought, State-fellators.
Racist!
-Lee Harvey Oswald
-Sirhan Sirhan
-Squeeky From
-Sara Jane (aka Kathlene Solia) Olsen
-Mumia
-The guy(s) who took down Malcolm X
How about I squat and you gobble.
tom swift asks: Surely Reason doesn't equate immigrants and
illegals?
In Reason's wee mind, we could have OpenBorders, thereby allowing
China and India to in effect colonize a large part of the U.S.
Their position is quite patriotic, it's just not clear which exact
country they're being patriotic towards.
Say, here's a question that Reason might try getting an answer for:
Does Jonah Goldberg now qualify as a "Birther"?
Caged Lion, you are a left-wing troll. Be honest, did you read the article?
And brain-addled guys that carry AK's to peaceful events are
a disaster waiting to happen.
I'm fine with a black guy having a gun. I guess that if he was
white it would have been OK?
Please, no one mention the words "immigration," "illegal," "alien," "border" or "WorldEvilBrownPeopleConspiracy" on H&R ever again. They only summon YouKnowWho.
Joel, it won't work. No one summons a dog to shit in your yard,
they do that all by themselves.
(The rest of the analogy lies in the sites who bring crazies here
to shit in our yard.)
"TrickyVic | September 15, 2009, 12:54pm | #
Why would McVeigh be "right-wing"?
Just because he attacked a federal building due to his
anti-government views reaching a peak after being a eyewitness to
the Waco ordeal?
Of course the right-wing loves to hold the anti-government patriot
flag when they are not in power."
The wierd thing about McVeigh is that probably more influential
than Waco or Ruby Ridge, though they were the main reasons given,
was dissillusionment from the Gulf War, not a typical "right wing"
trait, where he won a bronze star for his "one shot one kill".
Killing during war is what really pushed him over the edge if we
are to believe his American Terrorist biography. According to that
book, if he would have been able to keep his shit together after
the war and finish his special ops training OKC would have probably
never happened. Of course the ironic thing is that the same
antigovernment types who would be most sympathetic to McVeigh are
the ones perpetuating a conspiracy theory that he never dropped out
of special ops training and that OKC was his biggest mission, that
and a book written by one of his death row inmates where he states
that McVeigh told him such.
The brain-addled guy was carrying an AR, not an AK.
Also, since black people cannot possibly be brain-addled, you are a
you-know-what.
"The second worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil was committed by
a right-wing extremist. Strangely nobody felt the need to
waterboard anyone."
I don't think anyone wanted to know all the information. With the
rumored groups that McVeigh was running around with, who knows how
many times the government dropped the ball at uncovering the plot.
The silence around his contact with Elohim City Neo-Nazis is
particularly what I pointing to, the level of LEO infiltration into
those groups would probably expose some unflattering information.
They probably were content with just McVeigh and Nichols, with
Fortier acting as Curly or Shemp.
Umm... you are aware that Nazism, or "National Socialism" is an
ideology of the LEFT? It's a form of radical socialism. It is not,
and has never been, "right-wing". It may be to the right of
communism, but it is still very much left of center.
Read some history folks. Just because the media calls Nazis
right-wing doesn't make it true.
Charles.
Whether the BrannnchDavissdians were rightwing or not is an open
question. They certainly weren't ChristiannnIdntyty types.
It's also worth noting that while the execution was carried out by
the Dems, the plans were drawn up under GHWB.
That might lead some "libertarian" types to oppose things that give
the BeltwayEstablishment such power, but instead they support the
opposite through their support for massive illegal activity.
Umm... you are aware that Nazism, or "National Socialism" is an ideology of the LEFT? It's a form of radical socialism. It is not, and has never been, "right-wing". It may be to the right of communism, but it is still very much left of center.
This is a big fat lie. "Socialism" is incidental to
Naziism--socialism just happened to be popular at the time and
hadn't yet acquired the stigma applied to it by the Red Scare.
Racial scapegoating and fervent nationalism are hallmarks of the
extreme right.
So, according to that definition, the Chinese and Russian
Communist States were actually Nazi's? Is that what you're saying
because I don't see a whole lot of difference between those two and
Germany/Italy.
- Fervent Nationalism? Check
- Racial Scapegoating? Check (Especially, Mao)
- Military Ramp up? Check
- Central planning of the economy? Check
See, you can call Nazi's right wing all you want but they are no
different than the Coms.
To continue Charles's thoughts (sorry Charles!), he's dead on
about the media definitions of right wing/left wing.
On one side you have a statist dictatorship and on the other side
you have a um, well, statist dictatorship.
We really need to change that left/right thing. It's confusing and
inaccurate.
and by we, I mean not me...someone else. I'm too lazy especially after a six pack
""" And some people will always shape him to fit their own
narrative, as they will with others when it suits them."""
Exactly. It's just left vs. right mechanics. I call bullshit on the
whole left vs. right terrorism. When it's really terrorism. It's
just terrorism. But you can't play that angle on the 24 hour news
channel, it's just too boring.
Trying to frame Naziism as left or right is silly.
The one arguement you will not hear is if the type of terrorism
that founded this counrty is left or right? I'll let them fight it
out.
I'm just using the FBI's defintion of terrorism when I imply
terrorist founded this nation.
""- Racial Scapegoating? Check (Especially, Mao)""
The racial scapegoating served to divide the citizenry and start an
us vs. them war.
The name of the game here is cultural scapegoating using tactics
like O'Reilly's cultural war.
Very interesting artcile, nicely done. But I mean, come on, trying to break the links that Robinson established between those crimes? That's just racist.
Umm... you are aware that Nazism, or "National Socialism" is
an ideology of the LEFT.
You are fucking stupid. That is all.
Excuse me: WHAT right-wing violence? So far, most of the
violence in this country from ANY specific GROUP comes from police
officers, especially now that counties have given them a new pair,
euphemistically called "tasers."
_______________________________________-
Police are conservative, its pretty obvious, if you can find me a
liberal cop ill find you a conservative in the public school
system.
_________________________________
Please, no one mention the words "immigration," "illegal," "alien,"
"border" or "WorldEvilBrownPeopleConspiracy" on H&R ever again.
They only summon YouKnowWho.
_______________________________
Please, you really dont have to mention any of those topics for LW
to come into the thread and squawk Pat Buchanan talking points.
I agree with this article, with one caveat.
I love informed, intelligent dissent. People who spew spiteful,
misinformed lies, on the other hand, are deserving of every bit of
scorn we can heap upon them. Piling on the scorn is absolutely
meant to shame them into silence...and there is nothing wrong with
that.
Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans seem to grasp this, and
when either is out of power, any sort of respect, courtesy, or
common sense seems to flee from the mind of their wingers.
"After Oklahoma City, a few figures on the fringes of the
militia milieu were nabbed for planning attacks. These plots-by the
most generous definition of militia, there were about a dozen of
them...."
Bait, meet switch.
Gee I wonder why this detail-free recounting of a dozen plots in
the 90s is all we are offered in this assessment of whether the
current warnings about far-right extremism are warranted.
A hint might be in the "white supremacist dirty bomber". An
incident I most frequently see referenced in listings of far more
numerous right-wing plots from more relevant times. Listing we both
know you are aware of.
"Excuse me: WHAT right-wing violence?"
Name the dirty bomber mentioned.
After years of hype about terrorism and WMDs, name the guy who
actually was arrested for plotting that.
No? So really you're saying "I haven't heard about the shit I
ignore because who it involves is awkward". Fantastic.
Gee I wonder why this detail-free recounting of a dozen
plots in the 90s is all we are offered in this assessment of
whether the current warnings about far-right extremism are
warranted.
I passed quickly over the details of the plans for the same reason
I passed quickly over the role government infiltrators played in
fomenting many of the plots, and the role other militiamen played
in preventing the crimes: lack of space. If I do this at book
length, I'll give you more than the summary.
1. Excellent article. Really something that ought to spur
reflection across that hard-to-pin-down political spectrum.
2. To that end, anybody who is debating along the lines of "Is the
blood of tragedy x on the hands of the left or the right?" seems to
be missing the point.
3. Walker cites Rick Perlstein's Before the Storm to great effect.
I would submit that Nixonland is also relevant here. At 800-plus
pages, it's a long slog, but at heart it undeniably demonstrates
that on both right and left paranoia can take hold and result in
terrible, senseless violence. And obviously the figure at the heart
of Perlstein's most recent work is Exhibit A as to the deadly
consequences of paranoia from within the mainstream of American
politics.
4. If there's any common theme behind paranoia-fueled violence
(from any political direction), it would seem to be a viewpoint of
victimization. The feeling of being wronged has few peers in the
way that it can rationalize violence against others.
5. And of course, as Walker points out, there are plenty of dogs
that don't bark here. Not all self-identified victims resort to
violence.
6. Worth saying again: excellent article.
As a photojournalist working rallies and protests on both sides of the aisle I see it all. But you and your ilk take the prize for paranoia.
Perhaps anticipating this objection, Stern argued that
decentralist rhetoric is itself racist-that the idea of states'
rights "has always been used to shield local governments from
criticism over discriminatory practices." (Yes, he wrote "always."
When state officials object to federal raids on medical marijuana
clubs, Stern presumably believes they have a veiled racist
agenda.)
Even though my political aspirations are more towards
decentralization than necessarily libertarianism, I have to defend
Stern here. He is saying that when people want to shield local
governments from criticism, they always use the states' rights
argument, not that the states' rights is only used for that
purpose. I think people make too much of this connection, but some
of that may be just lack of exposure to true states' rights
proponents. I, for one, prefer it so that people have more
autonomy. If they want to turn California into a socialist state,
then vote for it, but leave me out of it. Alternately, I would have
a better range of options for moving to a state that will not end
up being at least as nanny state as the current federal government
wants to be.
He is saying that when people want to shield local
governments from criticism, they always use the states' rights
argument, not that the states' rights is only used for that
purpose.
I don't think that's what he's doing. Here's the passage in
context:
"[T]he ideas of 'states' rights' and 'county supremacy' that fuel
so much of the militia movement are covers for bigotry. The former
has always been used to shield local governments from criticism
over discriminatory practices."
From there he moves on to talk about country supremacy, leaving the
subject of states' rights behind. So the history of people using
states' rights arguments to defend racist practices is apparently
enough for him to conclude that when militiamen use the term, they
too are being racist.
Felix: Thanks for the kind words. I interviewed Perlstein when Nixonland came out; you might enjoy reading that article as well.
Tony, please tell me whats right wing about environmentalism, eugenics, state control of crucial industrys, massive public works projects, and disarming the populace. And are you seriously going to paint nationalism and racism as being exclusive to the right wing dictatorships, so those Soviets defending the "motherland" were right wing.
Well I'm sure glad to find out that nothing going on and it's
safe to go back to sleep.
Now, if someone would explain all those gun and ammunition
sales.....
I was sorta disappointed the article focused so much on the early 90s right wing 'militia' dimension, and never did any clear cross comparison of the left vs right 'protest' movement/rhetoric over the last 10-15 years. I thought there'd be tons of "why no outrage over Bushitler" or "so kids smashing windows in Seattle is reasonable public discourse" or "why witch hunts like lewinski are fair game" or "why did abortionist assassinations never really bother the GOP" kind of analysis. Still, the piece was good, but I think there's more there to be mined.
"This is a big fat lie. "Socialism" is incidental to
Naziism--socialism just happened to be popular at the time and
hadn't yet acquired the stigma applied to it by the Red Scare.
Racial scapegoating and fervent nationalism are hallmarks of the
extreme right."
LOL
There is no better indicator of something being the absolute truth
than to have Tony squeal that it's "a big fat lie".
As humans one of the most difficult tasks for any of us when it
comes to these topics that involve us all by the very fact they are
spun from every direction with ample insults for all assuring
prejudicial thinking, is to be able pull back, remain objective,
and not lose the only useful tool we have in such situations,
clarity.
Much kudos to Mr. Walker for pulling that most difficult task off
exceptionally well.
Jesse Walker | September 15, 2009, 7:23pm
"I passed quickly over the details of the [1990s] plans for ...
lack of space. If I do this at book length, I'll give you more than
the summary."
That's terrific.
And in regard to the right-wing extremist plots that occurred
*this* side of the millennium you'll still give us nothing at all,
yeah ?
You know... the ones that prompted the DHS report, the increased
SPLC coverage/warnings, the law enforcement think-tanks for how to
handle these without travelling back in time to the 1990s, pretty
much every single premise of your post including the need for you
to write it at all in 2009.
None of that worth a rebuttal while this 1990s stuff still needs
some more fleshing out, yeah ?
Like I said... bait, meet switch.
I doubt you failed to notice the frequent question from your
readers here "what right-wing violence?". As though they are
genuinely unaware of what you could possibly be talking about.
Quite odd, but not surprising.
These comments of course were in response to your article which
questioned whether the coverage right-wing violence was over hyped
while the only mention of the actual occurrances of such trends was
a comment that there were only a dozen or so plots after
Oklahoma.
As I pointed out, the only post 1990s plot you did mention was the
kind of thing cable news dreams about in their hype-ability
meetings and this received so little coverage that ABSOLUTELY
NOBODY HERE could name the perp without googling him. Jose Padilla
and his dirty bomb vs dirty bomb of the white supremacist named
.... ? Oh, just at the last moment everyone's forgotten that that
detail they never saw once.
Much the same as every other right-wing extremist plot since the
90s where the plotters were planning on killing dozens, hundreds or
thousands of people. They've received so little coverage people
truthfull think this is fiction when it is referred to.
Hence, how could this portrayal of yours -- that instead of being
seriously under-reported, these non-reported trends in right-wing
extremist violence are far too over-hyped -- be described as
anything other than intellectually dishonest if not intentionally
misleading ?
Not a single one of your readers believes you're commenting on
SPLC's reporting of right-wing extremist incidents without actually
having read the articles and reports they've published which list
all those incidents, plots, arrests and prosecutions. They do it so
regularly it gets boring. So you're aware of that but it wasn't
worth referencing what made up these incidents for some reason that
totally wasn't because they ruin your premise.
But yeah, do tell us more about Ruby Ridge instead. I can't wait to
hear the part that prompted the DHS waring to law enforcement 17
years later.
A time when "what's new in black America" included the announcement
that Magic Johnson has AIDS. FFS.
There are 3 links on the front page of the SPLC --- the
organisation credited with promoting this mis/characterization of
trends in right-wing violence -- which concern the "rise of
militias". Not real hard to find
Two of them relate to a recent SPLC report dedicated to the topic
(again, it's almost like they're not trying to hide this
information), which carries this introduction:
-----------
Almost a decade after virtually disappearing from public view, the
antigovernment militia movement is surging across the country,
fueled by fears of a black man in the White House, the changing
demographics of the country, and conspiracy theories increasingly
spread by mainstream figures, according to a new SPLC report.
...
Accompanying the SPLC report is a list of 75 plots, conspiracies
and racist rampages since the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah
Federal Building in Oklahoma City - a key moment for the
movement.
-------------
Yeah. Nothing to see here, move right along. There were really only
a dozen and even they were mostly cases of entrapment. Sure.
This being merely a footnote to a report which otherwise focuses on
the activities and direction of current militia groups. None of it
apparently worth a mention. None of it apparently as important as
the question of whether militias like 1992 or 1994 best. Which was
totally something someone gave a toss about before that strawman
was built.
Let's all together wonder why the militia movements and trends in
right-wing extremism (or even just a single solitary mention of
even one of the groups mentioned) that these people are pointing to
are best left unexamined when mildly, almost arguing that these
guys are just misunderstood:
---------
"Evidence that angry Americans are arming themselves for action is
growing. In March, for instance, a Spokane, Wash., man pleaded
guilty to illegally possessing two grenade launchers, 54 grenades,
37 machine guns, eight silencers and a variety of explosives in a
storage unit. The man had an "End the Fed" bumper sticker on his
vehicle."
---------
Because nothing says I have different ideas about big government
and monetary policy like a grenade launcher. Oh, and a Ron Paul
bumper sticker. That too.
Kilo: The article is about the social construction of a "surge"
in "right-wing violence" since Obama became president (or, if you
prefer, since the Palin campaign), which I compare to a similar
scare in the '90s. The fact that scattered plots were played up
during the militia panic, downplayed during the Bush years, and
played up again now supports rather than refutes my thesis.
That said, I also think the SPLC reports are really shoddy. They
conflate a bunch of different movements together, make little
distinction between the plans that were actually likely to be
carried out and those that weren't, ignore the aforementioned
issues of entrapment and militia cooperation in stopping plots, and
in general are more aimed at scaring people into donating money to
the SPLC than at offering an accurate accounting of the
problem.
The conflation of different movements is especially important. My
article points out that Klansmen were much more of a threat when
they served as a sort of para-state than when they became a bunch
of powerless fringe groups. In some parts of the country, the
violent wing of the anti-immigration movement may serve a similar
para-state role today, which would put it in a different category
than, say, the Viper Team. The SPLC isn't interested in
distinctions like that.
There is an attempt by the radical right in our country to
propose that we accept an entirely new conception of a political
spectrum.
Their proposal is that placement on a spectrum should be dependent
exclusively upon the degree of government intervention and activism
within society.
In this scheme of things, nazism, fascism, communism, socialism and
liberalism all belong on the left side of a spectrum because they
are all "collectivist" or "pro-statist" philosophies whereas groups
like the Birch Society or other anti-government activists belong in
the CENTER or slightly-right-of center on the spectrum. The extreme
right is exclusively the territory devoted to anarchy.
From this perspective, Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin and others
have proposed that people like James von Brunn (the fellow who
murdered a guard at the Holocaust Memorial Museum) should be
interpreted as being motivated by leftist sentiments and attitudes
because of his connection to neo-nazi individuals and groups.
For a detailed analysis which demonstrates why this is completely
irrational -- based upon the persons, organizations, and
publications which Von Brunn associated himself with over the
years, see my report here:
http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/vonbrunn
Another report of mine which reveals the flaw in this conception of
a political spectrum pertains to Eustace Mullins:
http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/mullins
More info: ernie1241@aol.com
Notice that Tony goes straight to the McVeigh trough, but ignores the Unabomber, Earth Liberation Front, and other left-wing nutbags.
Google the acronym "MIAC" and "Missouri", and look at how some idiots tried to tell cops they should consider supporters of Ron Paul, Bob Barr, or the Constitution Party, as being militia members JUST BECAUSE OF BUMPER STICKERS and other stupid shit.
Members of extremist groups may reveal their affiliations in a
number of ways. First, the vehicles they drive often provide clues
that can help officers prepare for potential danger before making a
stop. Specifically, the extremists' vehicles may sport bumper
stickers with antigovernment or pro-gun sentiments; display
handmade license plates, plates from jurisdictions that do no
exist, or no plates at all; or fit the profile of vehicles driven
by known extremist group members in the area. Additionally,
officers may have seen the vehicle or its occupants at locations
where extremist groups assemble or may know that the subjects
harbor extremist beliefs.
The occupants of the vehicle may show other signs of extremist
group involvement. Drivers who hold antigovernment beliefs may
refuse to carry driver's licenses, vehicle registration, proof of
insurance, or other forms of identification. Instead, they may
present handmade licenses, a copy of the Constitution, a Bible, or
political literature. In addition, a records check may reveal minor
outstanding warrants. Extremists often fail to satisfy violations
of motor vehicle laws, such as registration or license
requirements, because they do not feel bound by such laws, and any
statements to this effect that drivers make should send a strong
signal to officers. Finally, because of their knowledge and
experience, officers may be able to recognize indicators of
extremist behavior unique to their jurisdiction.
Once officers decide a subject may hold extremist beliefs, they
should develop a plan of action. In fact, preparation remains the
key to dealing with extremists.
"I also think the SPLC reports are really shoddy."
See "The
Militias Are Coming" (Reason, August/September 1996)
I've not read all the comments (I came to the article from Sam
Smith's Progressive Review), so someone else might already have
caught this. Apologies if so.
"the idea of states' rights "has always been used to shield local
governments from criticism over discriminatory practices." (Yes, he
wrote "always." When state officials object to federal raids on
medical marijuana clubs, Stern presumably believes they have a
veiled racist agenda.)"
The author makes the same "Woody Allen" mistake here that he called
out a few sentences previously. Let me try to illuminate the
illogic.
the quoted passage can be boiled down to "states rights always used
to excuse racism, therefore Stern believes raids on medpot are
racist".
But if we say states-rights ialways shields racism (the group
mortals includes humans), then all we know is that racism is
something that states-rights shields. (humans are mortal). We don't
know at that point whether states-rights shields other things
besides racism just as we don't know whether there are other
creatures also in the mortal category. That information is not
contained in the statement.
Which means we don't know whether Stern believes medpot raids are
racist (whether Spot is a human).
Jesse Walker | September 16, 2009, 11:19am | #
"Kilo: The article is about the social construction of a
"surge" in "right-wing violence" since Obama became president (or,
if you prefer, since the Palin campaign), which I compare to a
similar scare in the '90s."
Yes you do. Except for mentioning any reason why such a surge may
be spoken of in 2009. You know, what with the failure to mention
the incidents, the militia groups, numbers of them, trends in this
data, etc, as pointed out repeatedly.
I guess someone might find it persuasive for you to continue
referring to your comparison of two trends where only one of them
is examined as having merit.
"The fact that scattered plots were played up during the
militia panic, downplayed during the Bush years, and played up
again now supports rather than refutes my thesis."
Does it? Well that's great. I guess when you get around to writing
the article that examines the plots that have actually occurred and
then judges whether these were played up/down in the media, then
your thesis will be better.
Meanwhile, you're left referring to a thesis presented without
examining these plots and reaching conclusions without them,
conclusions which relate to whether they are being mentioned too
much. So until then it ain't much of one. You know, assuming that
leaving out these details wasn't essential to the whole
endeavor.
Certainly does help when you can solicit genuinely surprised
comments questioning what, if any right-wing violence anyone could
be referring to. Shit, what thesis can't be supported on this basis
?
I can tell you from experience that the thesis of millbloggers that
the DHS warnings about vets was completely fictitious goes downhill
rather quickly when you start mentioning the hundreds of white
supremacists and their plots it was referring to. Just *so* much
better as a thesis when you simply don't mention the data you are
referring to.
"That said, I also think the SPLC reports are really
shoddy."
Again, good for you. I assume if you could engage and refute what
they present, then you would have done this already rather than
avoiding their actual content entirely.
" They conflate a bunch of different movements together, make
little distinction between the plans that were actually likely to
be carried out and those that weren't"
This is intriguing.
Do tell us which of the post-1990s plots they've highlighted
following the arrest of suspects intending to kill lots of blacks,
jews, latinos, judges, federal workers, race traitors, liberals,
etc that should be protested as being less than likely despite
their arrest. Better yet, write an article that does that. No ?
Leave that one as another vague claim too will we. Yeah,
best.
"ignore the aforementioned issues of entrapment and militia
cooperation in stopping plots"
Why wouldn't they? Why do you believe this even rates as worthy of
mention? If white supremacist groups increase in number by 50%
since 2000 how many are we suspecting are coached into the
black/jew hating lifestyle by a cop?
What portion of actual arrests and plots that have occurred are you
wanting to claim are manufactured ? Yeah that's right, none, since
it would actually require you to honestly examine the body of
incidents that have occurred in order to do that.
"and in general are more aimed at scaring people into donating
money to the SPLC than at offering an accurate accounting of the
problem."
Really. So offer us your backup SPLC as replacement then. You know,
the people doing the exact same thing which you *do* think provide
an accurate accounting of the problem which you totally *aren't*
pretending is completely absent. Go for it.
"In some parts of the country, the violent wing of the
anti-immigration movement may serve a similar para-state role
today, which would put it in a different category than, say, the
Viper Team. The SPLC isn't interested in distinctions like
that."
This is a strange objection for someone uninterested in examining
the existence, growth, actions, or any other facet of these groups
whatsoever. That distinctions between multiple groups, none of
which are worth mentioning, aren't properly defined.
Again, if you actually had something to say about how particular
post-1990s groups and their actions are portrayed we would have
seen it already.
This is nothing but a litany of vague excuses for why we haven't
and won't, for the obvious reason.
ernie1241 | September 16, 2009, 2:32pm | #
"For a detailed analysis which demonstrates why this is completely
irrational..."
I'm sure you put a lot of work into that Ernie, but I don't think
there's a lot of persuasion required on that front.
Mairead: See my comment at 8:32 on the 15th, which provides the
context for Stern's statement.
Kilo: To the extent that I can make sense of your barely coherent
comment, you seem to be under the impression that my thesis hinges
on whether there is any right-wing violence out there. It doesn't.
Suppose I wrote an article about the scapegoating of illegal
aliens, and the ways it fans racism against Hispanics in general.
If someone wrote in to point out that Lou Dobbs had a list
somewhere of robberies and drunk driving incidents involving
undocumented Mexicans, the fact that many of the crimes he cited
really happened wouldn't affect that thesis either.
If I set out to write a refutation of the SPLC, I would have
written a refutation of the SPLC. (I could point out, for example,
that an increase in the number of "extremist" groups does not
necessarily mean an increase in the number of people who belong to
such groups. Or that their much-ballyhooed report on the "return of
the militias" includes a bunch of incidents and organizations that
do not, in fact, involve militias.) But there are plenty of
critiques of the SPLC out there, which you can find with minimal
Googling. I set out to do something else.
The real problem you needs to face is that your moderates make
no sincere effort to distance themselves from the crackpots. For
better or worse (and many argue, worse) Democrats are allowed to
disagree within their party walls. They are doing it right now on
health care. NONE of this is tolerated in the Republican party,
which is why both Democrats and pundits can accurately claim Rush
Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michele Bachmann, and the wacky tea-baggers
are the voice of the Republican party. Not a one will stand up and
say they these folks are crackpots, and those who have even hinted
at such things are then quick to recant. Where were your moderates
when Limbaugh spouted his newest appallingly racist remarks, Jesse?
Where were they when the House formally rebuked Joe Wilson? Where
are they on health care, or ANY Obama Administration
proposal?
If they don't want to be lumped in with crackpots then these
moderates need to step out of the big, ugly, crackpot-shaped shadow
they are hiding in and say so. Otherwise, they have no one to blame
but themselves.
Maybe I missed it but I don't recall a single instance in this entire article where you actually demonstrate this so-called paranoia being used to "marginalize peaceful decent." Please show us one instance of someone unafiliated with and unsympathetic to these latest crackpots who is being marginallized.
"Unusual sexual practices?" Koresh was a child rapist. My heart bleeds for him.
Mike | September 19, 2009, 10:08am | #
Maybe I missed it but I don't recall a single instance in this entire article where you actually demonstrate this so-called paranoia being used to "marginalize peaceful decent." Please show us one instance of someone unafiliated with and unsympathetic to these latest crackpots who is being marginallized.
Stephen | September 19, 2009, 12:15pm | #
"Unusual sexual practices?" Koresh was a child rapist. My heart bleeds for him.
Fork deftly inserted into this turkey.
The kooks are out there and they are armed with some extra deadly
weapons:
Extra! March/April 2004
Homegrown Terrorists
WMD found-in Texas, so media yawn
By Richard Bottoms
In his interview with Tim Russert (Meet the Press, 2/8/04), George W. Bush said, "See, free societies are societies that don't develop weapons of mass terror." Putting aside the U.S. government's enormous stocks of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons-which Bush would presumably insist are not intended for terror-the statement also overlooks the fact that the U.S. also produces freelance domestic terrorists bent on creating weapons of mass destruction.
Russert might have reminded Bush of recent events in his home state of Texas, where William Krar was indicted in May 2003 for, among other things, possession of a weapon of mass terror. But it wouldn't have meant much to Russert's viewers, given that NBC-along with other broadcast networks, cable outlets and newspapers around the country-have virtually ignored this important story.
Krar and his wife, Judith Bruey, had assembled quite an arsenal in a storage facility in Noonday, Texas, including 500,000 rounds of ammunition, machine guns, pipe bombs, briefcase bombs and their own personal WMD: a cyanide bomb. Unfortunately for Krar, a package he sent in early 2003, containing fake U.N. and Defense Intelligence Agency IDs, went astray on its way to New Jersey militia member Edward Feltus. The accidental recipient alerted the FBI, leading to the arrest of Krar, Bruey and Feltus in May 2003. Along with various white supremacist literature, the FBI seized documents indicating that co-conspirators may still be at large, though the trio has continued to keep silent about all details, including their accomplices and intended targets.
As the Bush administration has been very effective in equating terrorism with Iraq and the Middle East in the aftermath of September 11, it's seldom recalled that Timothy McVeigh, a native-born American and a former soldier, carried out the second-deadliest terror attack on American soil, in Oklahoma City in 1995. At the height of the militia movement of the 1990s, McVeigh was just one of thousands of anti-government activists prepared for the possibility of waging war on their own government. As William Krar's activities indicate, the hard-core members of these groups did not disappear after international terrorists struck-yet the press has allowed them to fly under the radar.
It concerns me that articles like this never give equal concern
for violence against "left" organizations.
Yes, the Center is the most violent position. Let's unite with the
left by remembering not only Waco but the MOVE massacres. Many are
out there. Let's talk about them.
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