John Stossel | August 13, 2009
"What disturbs Americans of all ideological persuasions is the fear that almost everything, not just government, is fixed or manipulated by some powerful hidden hand," Frank Rich wrote in Sunday's New York Times.
That manipulation should disturb us. But contrary to Rich, it is not the work of "corporatists" who have sprung up to attack progressive reforms proposed by Obama and the Democratic majority. Manipulation is what we got many years ago when we traded a more or less free market for the "progressive" interventionist state. When government is big, the well-connected always have an advantage over the rest of us in influencing public policy.
Observe: Although President Obama and big-government activists demonize health-insurance companies, the companies "are still mostly on board with the president's effort to overhaul the U.S. health-care system," the Wall Street Journal reports; and ...
Although the activists criticize Big Pharma, "The drug industry has already contributed millions of dollars to advertising campaigns for the health care overhaul through the advocacy groups like Healthy Economies Now and Families USA. It has spent about $1 million on similar advertisements under its own name," the Times reports.
Big Pharma and Big Insurance want Obama-style health-care reform?
It's not so hard to understand. "The drug makers stand to gain millions of new customers," the Times said.
And from the Journal: "If health legislation succeeds, the [insurance] industry would likely get a fresh batch of new customers. In particular, many young and healthy people who currently forgo coverage would be forced to sign up." No wonder insurers are willing to stop "discriminating" against sick people. (Forget that the essence of insurance is discrimination according to risk.)
Not that Big Pharma and Big Insurance like every detail of the Democratic plan. Drug companies don't want Medicare negotiating drug prices—for good reason. If it forces drug prices down, research and development will be discouraged. (Depending whom you believe, Obama may or may not have agreed with the drug companies on this point.)
As for the insurance companies, they worry—legitimately—that a government insurance company—the so-called public option"—would drive them out of business. This isn't alarmism. It's economics. The public option would have no bottom line to worry about and therefore could engage in "predatory pricing" against the private insurers.
But despite these differences, the biggest companies in these two industries are on board with "reform."
It illustrates economist Steven Horwitz's First Law of Political Economy: "No one hates capitalism more than capitalists." In this case, big business wants to shape—and profit from—what inevitably will be an interventionist health-care reform. Can you think of the last time a major business supported a truly free market in anything?
In light of all this, it's funny to watch Democrats and their activist allies panic over the protests at congressional town meetings around the country. Tools of the corporate interests! they cry. But anyone opposing "socialized medicine" at the meeting can't be a mouthpiece for big business because, as we've seen, big business supports government control. Conservative groups may be encouraging people to vent their anger at congressmen who pass burdensome legislation without even bothering to read it, but that's no reason to insult the protestors as pawns. What's wrong with organizations helping like-minded people to voice their opinions? Why do Democrats, such as Speaker Nancy Pelosi, dismiss citizen participation as "AstroTurf"—not real grassroots—only when citizens oppose the kind of big government they favor?
They weren't so dismissive when George W. Bush was president and people protested—appropriately—his accumulation of executive powers.
"When handfuls of Code Pink ladies disrupted congressional hearings or speeches by Bush administration officials," Glenn Reynolds writes, "it was taken as evidence that the administration's policies were unpopular, and that the thinking parts of the populace were rising up in true democratic fashion. ... But when it happens to Democrats, it's something different: A threat to democracy, a sign of incipient fascism ... House Speaker Nancy Pelosi calls the 'Tea Party' protesters Nazis. ... "
So when lefties do it, it's called "community organizing."
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Unfortunately, it appears that I disagree with many of the protesters. Most seem upset that their Medicare benefits might be cut and that their last few months will no longer be a burden on the tax-payer.
I've been saying for a while that any government option would
probably be managed by a few select companies. And of course, they
would get a huge subsidy for that service. It's not inconceivable
to think that these companies themselves might want to move their
own customers onto the government subsidized plan. This, of course,
will lead to huge competitive advantages over smaller,
"unconnected" companies, thus eliminating competition. There will
most likely be massive amounts of regulation to comply with in
order to "carry" the government plan. Regulations only the larger
companies are equipped to deal with.
It's just more of the same old same old. Please, stop pulling my
chain and decide to go with a truly free market, individual
subsidized plan, or an all out single payer system. Otherwise we're
looking at a privatized system similar to a Public Utilities Board
where private business negotiates with government to determine
rates and costs and the consumer and taxpayer ultimately ends up
getting screwed.
(Forget that the essence of insurance is discrimination
according to risk.)
Easily done, now that "risk" is a pre-existing condition.
Overall good article except for this
"(Forget that the essence of insurance is discrimination according
to risk.)"
WTF???
the essence of insurance is to pool people with both high, medium,
and low risks, to spread the risk around. The point isn't just to
get a bunch of low risk people, and not insure any of the
others.
yes there should be some pricing differences to encourge people to
behave in a responsible fashion, but the essence of insurance is
risk pooling, NOT discrimation according to risk.
I quote the opening paragraph from the 8/17 issue of "Business
Week:"
"As the health reform fight shifts this month from a vacationing
Washington to congressional districts and local airwaves around the
country, much more of the battle than most people realize is
already over. The like victors are insurance giants such as United
Health Group, Aetna, and WellPoint. The carriers have succeeded in
redefining the terms of the reform debate to such a degree that no
matter what specifics emerge in the volumnious bill Congress may
send to President Obama this fall, the insurance industry will
emerge more profitable. Health reform could come with a $1 trillion
price tag over the next decade, and it may complicate matters for
some large employers. But insurance CEOs ought to be smiling."
But insurance CEOs ought to be smiling
Like the huge payments to the class enemies that run the banks
being called a New New Deal of Keyensian stimulus, the huge
payments to the insurance industry will be sold to the left as "the
first step on the road to single payer healthcare".
This will be accepted by the left, at the very least grudgingly,
because they had to elect one of their own to end Bush's policies
on infinite detention, surveillance, and the like. These policies
have also been adopted by Obama.
Thank God Change came.
Johnny Longtorso,
These policies don't have to be "sold" to the left. The left
already bought them. All they care about is power. The whole
"looking out for the little guy" thing is just boob bait. They are
more than happy to hand over billions to wall street types and
insurance companies that rightfully belongs to everyone else as
long as doing so puts them in power. They figure they will deal
with the rope sellers later.
Wait a minute! Aren't libertarians supposed to arguing in favor of corporate interests? Someone revoke Stossel's membership!
Has anyone (at Reason or elsewhere) done a good rundown of all
this (infinite detention and surveillance continuing, money to the
evil banks, money to the evil insurance companies, cash for
clunkers going to those making $57K/yr on average and hurting the
poor who buy their cars used, health care cost control impacting
the elderly most, etc)? I've seen them all in isolation, but the
Obamabots keep moving onto some other atrocity once the current one
becomes clear.
A good summary could get some circulation.
We need to come up with a fancy new 21st century term for "Robber Barons" cause that's what these guys are becoming.
Wait a minute! Aren't libertarians supposed to arguing in
favor of corporate interests? Someone revoke Stossel's
membership!
Quite the opposite. It's the left and the right that are the
stooges of corporate interests. Some unwitting, some witting.
"We need to come up with a fancy new 21st century term for
"Robber Barons" cause that's what these guys are becoming."
That's no way to talk about the Obama administration, Chad. It's
just disrespectful.
the essence of insurance is to pool people with both high,
medium, and low risks, to spread the risk around.
There are actually two competing views of what insurance is.
One view is the socialization of risk, as described above. This
view requires government mandates on insurance companies to achieve
the pooling of high and low risk people.
The other view is a contractual view, where each person desiring
coverage contracts with an organization that is sufficiently
capitalized to bear the risk of loss. No pooling required. No
government mandate (beyond, perhaps, minimum capital requirements)
necessary.
Which you think is the correct view is likely a function of whether
your outlook is basically communitarian/collectivist, or basically
individualist.
I don't think you give him enough credit, R C - large pools are essential to insurance, no matter how you view the "social purpose" of insurance contracts. Without a (very) large pool, a few large claims in a short period can wipe out a corporation. Now, granted, if Warren Buffet wanted to start an insurance company [ah crap, he already owns some, and I work for one] but lets just say he wanted a new one. He could start it and insure one person at a time, as long as he priced correctly he would make money over the very long run, because he can take the losses, but that isn't an efficient or realistic way to run a business.
I don't think you give him enough credit, R C - large pools
are essential to insurance, no matter how you view the "social
purpose" of insurance contracts.
Perhaps. What is really necessary is large pools of capital,
though, not large pools of the customers, but lets say you need the
latter for the former.
Without a (very) large pool, a few large claims in a short
period can wipe out a corporation.
Granted. Of course, that isn't an argument for pooling of different
risk categories. Its an argument for minimum capital requirements
according to the risk of your pool.
You only really get to "social" pooling if you look at having
insurance as a right. Under the contractual model, a high-risk
person may not be able to afford a policy. However, if there is
some sense that everyone has a "right" to a policy they can
"afford", then you are well on your way to community rating and the
rest.
the essence of insurance is to pool people with both high,
medium, and low risks, to spread the risk around.
Nope, that's socialism. The best insurance only covers medium risk,
i.e. situations that are unlikely, but catastrophic if experienced.
For instance, a policy that protects you if your house is
flooded.
I have no need of such a policy, since my house is high enough that
if it floods it's time for an ark. Low risk.
People who live where it floods every three years don't need
insurance, they need a moving van. The premiums to cover the
expense of rebuilding that often are too high to be affordable.
High risk.
But people who live where it might flood every fifty years should
be able to get a policy supported by others who live with the same
hazard, but from different watersheds. The premiums paid by the
lucky ones who aren't flooded tthis year can cover the claims of
those who are. Medium risk.
In an ideal situation the policies should be priced according to
risk, with people who build in a 25-year floodplain paying more
than those inside the 50-year boundaries. That will encourage
people to move to higher ground.
IMO, whether insurance is a right, and how insurance works are
to different things.
The essence of insurance is risk pooling. People are unceratin
about the future, and so it makes sense to pay a premium each month
to protect against the risk that they will be that 1 in 100
etc.
Now I don't know if I would argue that insurance should be a right.
But I will argue that insurance companies have gotten so good at
picking their customers that they are defeating the purposes of
insurance in the first place. From an insurance companies
prespective it makes sense, from a societies prespectve it could
have problems.
For example, I doubt we are going to evacucate Florida, and most of
the rest of the hurricane zone, even though it can be
hard/impossible to get regular insurance there.
Same idea for people with pre-existing conditions.
When you get into the nitty gritty of policy details modern day
insurance is much different from the text book ideals.
...the huge payments to the insurance industry will be sold
to the left as "the first step on the road to single payer
healthcare".
From what I've been reading on the Progressive sites,
the left ain't buyin' this shit either. They want HR 676 , period.
The essence of insurance is risk pooling.
That's one view.
The other view is that the essence of insurance is contractual.
From my perspective as an insured person, I don't give a crap about
who else is in my pool. I only care about the contract, both in
terms of what it covers and my ability to collect on it if I suffer
a loss.
Now I don't know if I would argue that insurance should be a
right.
I think that you will be forced to if you believe the essence of
insurance is pooling. Left to their own devices, insurance
companies will not socialize risk across high risk customers. Why
should they be required to take them? Why should their pools
include high risk customers? I think the answer is going to boil
down to "because high risk customers have a right to insurance they
can afford".
The problem with all this talk of "pre-existing conditions", is
that it fails to distinguish between three categories of
people:
1. People with a genetic susceptibility to a disease.
2. People who have recovered from a serious illness, but may have
complications or recurrences down the road.
3. People who are seriously ill right now.
Now personally, I don't think that it's AT ALL resonable to expect
insurance companies to cover people in category 3. Nor is it
reasonable to expect insurance companies to charge category 2
people the same premiums.
The only case that is actually a matter of potential concern is
category 1. Which should really only cause a marginal effect on
premiums, and anyway, you should be permitted to tailor insurance
to your risk factors.
Insurance is a promise to pay for covered services in exchange for a consistently paid premium. If health insurance were treated like auto insurance, where govts mandate the high risk customers get spread out among all insurers as a percentage of their book, then everyone could be covered. But auto insurers have less regulation about what coverage variety they offer and they compete on price as well as service. Health insurers are so limited in their variety, they all essentially offer the same coverage within a given state. They must be deregulated if the goal is to cover everyone AND still maintain a high level of care. The govt could eliminate private insurance and cover everyone, but care would be limited and get worse as the govt sets prices rather than the market.
Even if it's entirely a pool of low risk people, you are still
pooling the risks. you are just lowering the total expected
payout.
The second part is a bit more interesting. I guess it depends on
whether or not the government is going to pay anyway, if people
don't have insurance.
Let's take house insurance again. Say the high risk people in Fl
can't get any hurricane insurance. If the government won't step in,
and pay for them to rebuild, then a case could be made to allow
them not to have insurance. But if the government is going to step
in, then it makes sense to make them get insurance to limit the
risks to the tax payer.
This is also a case where having VERY large risk pools makes sense.
No matter where you go in the country there is a change of natural
disater, earthquakes in CA, tornados and floods in the midwest,
hurricans in the south and east.
But...
the chances of them all happening at the same time are pretty
remote. So a large risk pool diversified accross the country would
make sense. It also loweres a bunch of high risk spots, to a lower
overal risk. Which is the point isn't it?
Hazel, I think insurers would be willing to cover category 1 if
they were permitted to price the risk accordingly. Sure, the
premiums would be high but charity and/or govt subsidy would exist
to help them.
Despite what RC says, high risk customers are covered by insurers
all the time, even if the insurer KNOWS the customer is high risk.
They'll use loss control measures (such as an incentive to lose
weight or quit smoking) just like they use to get businesses and
homeowners to maintain and/or secure their buildings in property
insurance. Insurance companies don't like to give up premium if
they can account for it in their pricing. It's when they can't that
you have the FL problem. The state basically tells the insurance
companies they can't raise rates even though FL gets more damaging
hurricanes now than they used to and property values have been high
in the last decade.
the chances of them all happening at the same time are
pretty remote. So a large risk pool diversified accross the country
would make sense. It also loweres a bunch of high risk spots, to a
lower overal risk. Which is the point isn't it?
Insurers DO try to spread out their geographical risks, but govt
regulations in many states don't want the insurer to be able to
charge more to account for them. They can't make up the difference
in places with low risk for natural disaster like say, desert
areas, because a small insurer in that state who does not have
risks in FL and CA will just lower their prices and take all the
business eventually leaving the national insurer with nothing but
FL and CA policies. Then they have to raise prices in those
dangerous states and the states won't let them.
3. People who are seriously ill right now.
Now personally, I don't think that it's AT ALL resonable to expect
insurance companies to cover people in category 3. Nor is it
reasonable to expect insurance companies to charge category 2
people the same premiums.
The reason is seems reasonable is because of the way our
relationships with our insurers are are currently structured.
Because of the locked relationship people have with insurance and
employer, when an insurer won't cover you, the patient is
'stuck'.
This is where the reform needs to happen. Give people real choices,
not just another soon-to-be-broke government plan.
the chances of them all happening at the same time are
pretty remote. So a large risk pool diversified accross the country
would make sense. It also loweres a bunch of high risk spots, to a
lower overal risk. Which is the point isn't it?
Which is why we should hinge our economy on bundled mortage
securities. The chances of home prices dropping every around the
country at the same time are so low, that they are AAA grade
safe........
Which is why we should hinge our economy on bundled mortage
securities. The chances of home prices dropping every around the
country at the same time are so low, that they are AAA grade
safe........
Right, couple that with a few government sponsored entities with a
mission to push mortgages into the hands of, well, everyone
regardless of their ability to pay-- 'cause the government likes
home ownership-- and the plan is bulletproof.
From "Modern Liberalism at
Wit's End":
[The author's] "history" has been exposed as mythology itself by
the scholarly research of historian Gabriel Kolko, who documented
how the Progressive regulatory agencies were "invariably controlled
by leaders of the regulated industry, and directed toward ends they
deemed acceptable or desirable ... [mostly] because the regulatory
movements were usually initiated by the dominant businesses to be
regulated," e.g., the Interstate Commerce Commission and the
railroad industry. Kolko's work was embraced by free-market
economists from the conventional Friedman to the radical Murray
Rothbard, who all stressed the same point: Big Business
loves "business regulation" (especially the
funded-by-taxpayers and crippling-to-smaller-competitors parts).
[The author] concedes that by the Johnson administration corporate
support for regulation became obvious to all, but he characterizes
the regulation as something corporations accepted altruistically
because they sincerely believed it benefited the "country as a
whole." Yup, that's what he writes. Only under George W. Bush has
corporatism become the special-interest pursuit of privileges for
connected businesses.
[The author] often frames Bush policies as outrages for which
there's been no Democratic counterpart. "In 2003, Bush and the
Republican Congress enacted a bill extending Medicare coverage to
prescription drugs, representing the largest expansion of
entitlements in nearly forty years" -- so much for the "primacy of
the market," to say nothing of popular charges of rolling back the
welfare state. Yet [the author] is indignant that the legislation
also contained "hundreds of billions of dollars of subsidies to
health insurance companies, the prescription drug industry, and
other supplicants" (p. 65). Does he really imagine that the current
administration invented corporate welfare? That Democrats never
threw a bone to Big Business while throwing one to the little guy?
That people are delusional when they note the corporate ties of
both parties? (Not for more than a polemical moment, after which
he's left with only the argument that "Republican style"
contemporary pork is porkier than Democratic "[c]lassic pork.")
Since [the author] never brings up Kelo, he at least
doesn't blame Bush for the Court liberals' gifting corporations
with "property rights" to other people's property.
Insurance isn't about only covering medium or low risk
customers.
It works if the insured have to pay ACCORDING TO THEIR RISK.
This is why car insurance is so much more expensive for 17-year-old
males than for 35-year-old girls.
If you want to build your house in a flood plain, or smoke, then
your insurance needs to be priced accordingly.
It's no different for health care.
I mean, risk isn't the only factor: 100% of people die, so how does
life insurance make money? Well, life insurance DOES make money, so
clearly the question is ill-posed.
A 55-year-old lifetime smoker is going to pay more for the same
life insurance policy than a kid out of college is.
If government mandated health insurance worked that way, I'd have
little problem with it. But the politically connected, and the
important special interests will make sure it DOESN'T work that
way.
Old people aren't going to want to pay more. Members of Congress
aren't going to want the lousy benefits. Etc.
I agree that healthcare premiums should be based on risk, but I
think it should mainly just be for things that people can control.
IE, being overweight, smoker etc. A reasonable variance for age is
also fine.
Charging people more, or even refusing to insure them just becuase
they have some random pre-existing condition I think usually goes
to far.
I think pricing should be there to encourage good behavior, not
prevent anyone that every had anything wrong with them get
coverage.
Otherwise then it will just end up falling to the Govt, or ER.
"Can you think of the last time a major business supported a
truly free market in anything?"
It's true. Just look at the 10 most powerful companies in the US at
10 year snapshots. They change. They hate that.
Gabriel Hanna | August 14, 2009, 12:23pm | #
"It works if the insured have to pay ACCORDING TO THEIR
RISK."
I worked the system to my advantage in my 20s. Instead of going on
my employer's group plan (where costs were averaged) I opted out
and bought a personal blue cross plan. It was less than $50 per
month.
While I outsmarted the system, the employer plan still worked / was
able to function even when forced to take higher risk people... it
just costs more.
So my point... it seems we have a social problem with people who
can not get health insurance. Mandating everyone get insurance
seems like one way to do it. Yes, it will raise costs (Obama's BS
aside)... but the insurance companies will not be put out of
business, they'll just pass on the costs (like with their group
plans where they can deny people coverage). The question becomes,
do we want to do that to address the social problem (and I don't
mean Obama's plan, which I think is a backdoor single payer
scheme), but just 'in general'?
How about a free market? Anyone thought of that yet? This debate is so incredibly depressing because I know that whatever they pass it will only make the problem worse.
Not everything that happens is bad, John Stossel did wake up and come over to the well reasoned side of right, a good thing, in my opinion. John sees things as they really are and has an exceptional talent for converting what he sees into words. We can never have too many like him, not that it can do much to turn things around in favor of freedom. This country has no shortage of ignorant lazy morons, now that they see all they need do elect the officials who will use the Treasury to lavish them with free gifts they will have little interest in anything sensible. Too much brain strain trying to understand reality, too much like working for what one needs, much easier to just have Obama whip his breast out when they thirst, and have a little free government milk.
MAYBE I AM MISDIRECTED, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE BRUNT OF THIS MESS SHOULDN'T BE BLAMED ON INSURANCE COMPANIES. MEDICAL PROVIDERS HAVE JACKED UP THEIR FEES TO MAKE MORE MONEY OFF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. THIS MAY WORK FAIRLY WELL FOR THE CONSUMER/PATIENT AS LONG AS THEY ACTUALLY HAVE INSURANCE, BUT IF THEY DON'T, THAT IS WHEN TROUBLE STARTS.
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