Jacob Sullum | July 30, 2008
Frustrated by Tom Coburn's "unprecedented obstructionism," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid cobbled together a "Tomnibus" of 35 bills with "broad—virtually unanimous—bipartisan support" that Coburn had blocked. On Monday the Oklahoma Republican blocked them again.
Unable to muster the 60 votes needed to overcome Coburn's opposition, Reid castigated the Republicans who had sided with the obstreperous obstetrician. "You go home and explain to...the next person you see in a wheelchair, 'I voted against you because Harry Reid was being a tyrannical guy in the Senate,'" the Nevada Democrat said. He also accused the Republicans of voting against victims of stroke, Lou Gehrig's disease, postpartum depression, and child pornography.
"I have never been a bully," Reid insisted while caricaturing his opponents as cripple kickers, mother haters, and molester lovers. Perhaps he really believes that, just as he really believes he is anything but "a tyrannical guy." Spending other people's money on good causes makes you automatically virtuous, which is part of its appeal. If nothing else, Coburn has shown it is possible to resist the tyranny of good intentions.
"Mr. Coburn's approach is problematic when it comes to the mechanics of the Senate," The New York Times explains, "because most of the chamber's work gets done by what is known as unanimous consent, an agreement among all parties to let a bill pass without a fight." In other words, Coburn has the bad manners to demand that the "world's greatest deliberative body" deliberate.
It's not hard to see why Reid wants to avoid that. Although he dubbed his spending package the Advancing America's Priorities Act, the one thing it emphatically does not do is set priorities.
Is postpartum depression a bad thing? Sure it is. Then let's pass a law that "aims to eradicate the devastating effects of postpartum depression on American families." And let's call it the MOTHERS Act, even though MOTHERS is not, strictly speaking, the correct acronym for Mom's Opportunity to Access Health, Education, Research, and Support for Postpartum Depression.
Are flowers nice? Of course they are. So let's pay for a new greenhouse at the Smithsonian to house its orchid collection.
Are museums edifying? You bet. So let's sponsor a traveling exhibit commemorating the War of 1812 and "The Star Spangled Banner." While we're at it, let's make a donation to the Museum of the History of Polish Jews in Warsaw. Speaking of edification and other countries, why not create a foundation to encourage study abroad?
According to the Congressional Budget Office, Reid's wish list will cost about $10 billion over five years, at a time when the federal budget deficit has ballooned to a record $490 billion. Yet Reid marvels that "the rogue far right...has perfected the art of stopping good bills that help good people." Good bills that help good people: Could there possibly be a better governing philosophy?
I myself am partial to the notion, promoted by such rogue right-wingers as James Madison, that the federal government may exercise only those powers explicitly enumerated in the Constitution, which do not include subsidizing medical research, museums, or foreign travel for college students. As Madison pointed out, if Article I's General Welfare Clause is interpreted as blanket permission to spend money on good things, much of the rest of the Constitution is superfluous.
Coburn, known as the Dr. No of the Senate, does not go that far. Unlike Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), the Dr. No of the House, Coburn generally does not oppose spending on constitutional grounds. But he does ask his colleagues to pay for new programs by cutting old ones instead of spending money they do not have. In a letter to Reid, he identified $45 billion in cuts that could be used to offset the cost of Advancing America's Priorities.
Reid did not respond. When you're spending other people's money, especially when you're borrowing against the earnings of people who are not yet born, there's no need to set priorities.
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"the rogue far right...has perfected the art of stopping
good bills that help good people."
If only they could be more perfect.
It seems that Sen. Coburn managed to shame the Republicans into voting (for once) against a federal giveaway bill. I would hypothesize that this has less to do with the Republicans being opposed to such bills on principle, and more about striking back at Sen. Reid because he's an [name of body part omitted]. If the identical bill had been proposed by a Rep leader, I bet the Reps would have supported it - as indicated by their history of approving such things in the past.
Too ban there are not more senators like Coburn. The damn Republicans have turned into Democrats.
Adherent of the REAL Dr. No | July 30, 2008, 8:37am |
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You work for S.P.E.C.T.R.E.?
LOL, he is Dr No until you put the right amount of money in his
pockets anyways. Corruption is Bliss!
JT
http://www.FireMe.To/udi
I'd respect Coburn more if he were trying to save the planet! If he were trying to save the planet!
Bah. Ron Paul could've thrown that wannabe into the cooling vat with one hand while delivering triplets with the other.
Did Colburn vote for the war? Cause that's some spending
right there.
Making war is a legitimate function of the national government.
Reid marvels that "the rogue far right...has perfected the
art of stopping good bills that help good people."
There are things which swell my American bosom with pride. Harry
Reid's "leadership" of the Senate is not one of those things.
Coburn isn't remotely libertarian. He opposes gay
marriage.
Damn, its early to start drinking. But, the rules are the
rules.
As a life-long liberal Democrat, I say right on and a thousand
thanks to Dr. Tom for stopping Boss Reid's "Up with Orchids" bill.
Although I disagree with Coburn on virtually every policy issue, I
wish there were three or four more like him in the Senate.
But I thought Jacob's praise for James Madison as a constitutional
thinker wasn't that sharp. Madison was the author of the "Virginia
Plan" for the Constitution that would have based representation in
both the House and the Senate on population and would have given
Congress the remarkable power of overturning state laws.
Madison took it for granted that the interests of the southern
planters and the northern commercial interests were identical, and
he expected that New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia would
basically run things. When it turned out otherwise, he rapidly
switched positions, becoming an extreme states' righter.
The Founding Fathers, after all, were nothing but politicians in
wigs. They said a lot of smart things, but they shouldn't be cited
as irrefutable authority.
Too ban there are not more senators like Coburn. The damn
Republicans have turned into Democrats.
Yeah, but it did take 41 Republican Senators voting with Sen.
Coburn (and all but one of the rest not voting) in order for him to
actually win this one. If he really were by himself, Sen. Reid's
bill would've passed easily.
But without Coburn, nothing would've happened here. He basically stopped the pork by himself. As someone earlier pointed out, the other GOP senators were simply publicly shammed by Coburn into going along.
Making war is a legitimate function of the national
government.
Not without a declaration of war by Congress it isn't. And an AUMF
that defers the decision to go to war to the executive doesn't
count.
Making war is a legitimate function of the national
government.
Not without a declaration of war by Congress it isn't. And an
AUMF that defers the decision to go to war to the executive doesn't
count.
The national goverment has a legitimate authority to wage war. It
does not have a legitimate authority to worry about people in
wheelchairs.
Bitching about the fact that the national government did not do the
appropriate due diligence and follow the appropriate constutional
mechanisms prior to invading Iraq is not particularly relevant to
the point of my post.
a legitimate authority to wage war requires an actual
threat.
Two guys with blurred focus.
This thread is about: National Government worries about national
defense; state/local government worries about hapless people in
wheelchairs.
The discussion about how and when national government decides to
invade someone else's sand box is a differnt thread.
Who died and made you God? The thread is about Tom Coburn; the war came up with respect to whether his vote for it was correct.
I definitely like the Republicans better when they're in the minority. I just hope they can keep at least 41 after this election.
The thread is about Tom Coburn;
And Tom Coburn's shtick is that he smothers bills that go to help
the poor and the needy because they are not the legitimate function
of the federal government.
Senator Coburns's position on the war in Iraq is not relevant to
his position on the Advancing America's Priorities Act.
This thread is about: National Government worries
about national defense; state/local government worries about
hapless people in wheelchairs. waste and stupidity.
I don't care how Coburn is on any other issues -- we need at
least one such guy in the Senate at all times, and 40+ others who
can be shamed into going along with a filibuster. He's got at least
part of the right-lib checklist covered, though a filibuster over
the other $490B of the deficit is sorely needed.
Now, if we could get one such Democrat in the Senate, and 40+
Democrats who would be willing to filibuster FISA immunity, Iraq,
etc.
But, alas, only about 28 Democrats can be counted on to stand up
for the left-libs.
But, alas, only about 28 Democrats can be counted on to
stand up for the left-libs.
Also, alas, none of those 28 were willing to do an old school, read
the phonebook and Atlas Shrugged style filibuster.
A thread is whatever the hell the contributors want it to be - sure, it should stick somewhat closely to the essence of the original article. But to say that someone cannot make points ancillary to the original is just stupid.
Also, alas, none of those 28 were willing to do an old
school, read the phonebook and Atlas Shrugged style
filibuster.
You need 41 votes to do a filibuster, otherwise they cut off debate
with a cloture vote and you don't get past chapter 1 of Atlas
Shrugged.
Not that Democrats would read from Atlas Shrugged -- maybe Upton
Sinclair's The Jungle? The Bible, minus some inconvenient parts
from Leviticus?
The whole point of putting a hold on a bill is the willingness of a
sufficiently large number of people to read Atlas Shrugged, etc.
cover to cover. You have to care enough about stopping legislation
to be willing to back up a hold with words, and lots of them,
otherwise your bluff gets called, the debate peters out after a
couple of hours, and then it gets put to a vote.
A thread is whatever the hell the contributors want it to be
- sure, it should stick somewhat closely to the essence of the
original article.
Doesn't even have to relate to original topic. If it veers off into
a Lobster Girl / ranking of porn sites / passionate argument over
ideal hop levels in craft beer discussion because that is more
interesting than the original topic -- all good.
Reid is not only a tyrant, he is a hypocrite. In a news release
earlier this week, he lamented,
"The large budget deficit is a symptom of the many serious problems
that Bush-McCain Republicans refuse to address. Rather than
continuing the flawed policies that produced this result, Democrats
believe we must change course. We need to strengthen our economy
and make America energy independent, partly through investments in
renewable energy that create jobs. We need health reform to lower
costs and improve care. And we must shift military resources from
Iraq to Afghanistan - the real central front in the war on terror -
while also focusing more on needs here at home. The truth is, until
we deal with these underlying problems, our budget deficits and the
squeeze on America's families will only get worse."
So according to Harry, the way to reduce the national debt is to
(a) strengthen our economy. How? No suggestions from Reid. (b) Make
America energy independent. This from one of the leaders in the
fight against producing more of the country's energy needs
domestically. (b)2 Invest in renewable energy. Under 'invest,' read
'throw more federal dollars at.' Really? That will reduce the
federal deficit? (c) Reform health care. Once again, you can bet
that by 'reform,' Reid is talking about subsidizing through federal
handouts. Result: more federal spending. (d) Shift military
resources from Iraq to Afghanistan. Here Reid had a chance to make
a good point, if only he had left it at "withdraw all troops from
Iraq." At least that would be a significant reduction in spending
(regardless of where one stands on the wisdom of such a course of
action). Once again, no reductions in federal spending here.
Reid admits the awful effects of the skyrocketing national debt
holding down the nation's economy. But his 'solution' is to
increase federal spending! This is unbelievable. He admits it's a
problem, provides no solution of his own, and derides Coburn for
trying to alleviate the problem.
In the words of a true patriot, Coburn told the New York Times, "I
am not a go-along, get-along guy if I think it is the wrong way to
go. I am O.K. taking the consternation of my colleagues. I take my
oath seriously." Can the same be said about Reid? I don't believe
so.
passionate argument over ideal hop levels in craft beer . .
.
Beer sucks, mead however is a great thing.
A thread is whatever the hell the contributors want it to be
- sure, it should stick somewhat closely to the essence of the
original article.
The thread can go where ever it happens to go. But, I get annoyed
by people that divert to an alternate thread while believing their
comments actually relate to the original thread.
That, and Iraq pops up more than once a week. So save the bitching
to one of those threads. Otherwise, it kills too many interesting
threads too early.
Keep it up Tom one of the very few honest Politicians in Wash. DC most are an corrupt bunch of worthless Morons!
You need to do something about the old angry senile man
Tom!
I think that many of McCain's positions that are credited with
principles are in fact positions that came about because of his
very limited intelligence! The man does not know anything about the
Economy, where Iraq, Iran, Pakistan or Afghanistan are in relation
to each other, the different between the Shiites and Sunnis or much
else. What is Amazing is how anyone can be an Senator for so many
years and know so little, about so much!
McCain is too Stupid to be an Senator, too Stupid to be President
and too Treasonous to be an American!
McCain's Hispanic Outreach person Juan Hernandez was a Cabinet
member in Mexico's Vicente Fox's government and VP of the racist
hate organization La Raza & is openly for reconquest of the
American Southwest!.
Some of his comments.
"We have recognized that the Mexican population is 100 million in
Mexico and 23 million who live in the United States…We are a united
nation."
Mexican immigrants "are going to keep one foot in Mexico and are
not going to assimilate."
Mexico's total economic policy is to send their Uneducated peons
and Criminals to the US for Tax payers to support and be the
Victims of their crimes as they Kill, Rob and Rape Americans by the
10,s of thousands, Businesses to Exploit and Corrupt Politicians to
Pander and Cuddle! While Mexico has one of the most punitive and
strictly enforced immigration policies in the world!
Apparently McCain agrees with his adviser & the reconquest of
the Southwest and the colonization of American by the invading
horde or he would get another adviser! McCain is an ex-hero and now
American traitor like Benedict Arnold and should be attested, tried
for treason, gave a fast but fair trial then an public execution on
National TV!
Obama the Great
One------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As everyone but politicians & the Media knows, Action talks,
Bull Sh-t walks! Barrack sit at the feet of his friend and Mentor
for 20 years, supported him with his money, his family, subjected
his children to his hate filled rants and listened to hate whites,
Jews, American, hate everyone with the exception of Blacks and
Muslims!
All the pundits, talking heads, Liberal arguments and warm tingling
feeling below their belt or speeches wrote by speech writers and
read by Obama cannot change the facts.
Barrack Obama & his wife are American hating, Black Power
Racist proven by 20 years of action and backed up by Barracks words
in Dreams of my Father!
Now, he says it was repugnant to him and he does not endorse it or
agree! It is 20 years too late for anyone with an brain to accept.
Either Barrack is lying or he has an serious mental problem! No one
in their right mind would sit in an church like that for 20 years
and support it every way possible unless they agreed with the
message or they were crazy!
Just imagine, if an White Republican politician had sit at the feet
of his Friend and Mentor in an Baptist Church for 20 years and
listened to him preach, rant and spew out racist hate bile against
everyone and everything except Whites and Baptists.
Oh, The Outrage, the Moral Condemnation, The Media, Blacks leaders
& Black Rev's crawling out of every cracker jack box, the
Liberals and Democrats would be squealing like pigs caught under
the gate! The squealing would be heard the world over and seriously
threaten the collective hearing of the Nation! Republican
politicians chiming in to be political correct, in fact, every one
of the known and unknown in the universe would be calling for his
head, anyone that spoke in his defense would immediately be tarred
with the same brush, no punishment would be enough, resigning from
office would not be enough, the poor follow would have to change
his name, travel incognito and flee the country with his family!
The IRS and FBI would be investing the church, the church closed
and all its members disbanded and scattered to the four
winds!
What does Barrack have to do? Why just make an nice little speech
blaming it all on his little old white grandmother, just throw her
under the bus of his ambition and if that is not enough, just
whites in general!
But Wait, that is for the Rev. Wright and his hate rants, Not why
Obama the Chosen one, the scion of the goat lover, the son of the
typical black father, the one that has came to lead American and
the world to the promise land. Obama the Second coming, sit in the
church for 20 years and listened to his Friend and Mentor spew out
hate Rants that He, the Super Ego found repugnant and disgusting
but with just one little speech and never answer why the Supreme
One had such hate or poor judgment and all is right and forgiven in
Obama land!
If nothing else this campaign has Exposed the racism of Blacks and
the total Blinding, Unbelievable Hypocrisy, the like of any Balance
or Morals that the Liberals, Democrats, Media and Politicians in
general have! They have been exposed as Lying, Deceitful
Hypocrites, Unable or Unwilling to face the truth!
Never again, will most Americans credit them with intelligence or
compassion that is deeper and purer that us poor lesser ones,
because with our limited intelligences we just cannot comprehend
& have to listen to the intelligence Media and wise compassion
Liberals to point out the errors of our ways and thinking! No
longer!
Umm....
Black Saint, did you even mention Coburn or Reid in that entire
rant?
I'm sure there's somewhere for you to vent your (unintelligible)
frustrations, but I think others would appreciate it if you would
stick to the topic at hand.
I'd like to find a way to tie Tom Coburn or Harry Reid into a
rant about the worst organization in sports, the Detroit Lions, but
I'm clueless on how to make such a segway.
I guess I will simply say that Tom Coburn is a true hero in a
profession full of adulation-seeking phonies.
Harry Reid, on the other hand, personifies everything wrong with
our government. Is there anyone on the left who believes there
should be ANY limit on governmental intervention into the life of
its citizens?
As far as I can tell, the left believes firmly that the government
should protect a woman's inalienable right to eliminate any form of
human life that may grow inside of her womb and an individual's
"right" to a state-sanctioned "marriage" of his/her own
definition.
Am I missing anything?
Making [a preemptive] war [of choice] is a legitimate
function of the national government.
Spoken like a true warmonger. As for Coburn, thi is part of the
Reason magazine "Republicans Rock" series, which includes
interviews with Republican dirty trickster, promoting Grover
Norquist's latest book, and, now, telling us that Tom Coburn is the
shit.
Next up in the series: The unfairly maligned Ted Stephens: An
Advocated of Market-Based Transparent Government!
Senator Cogburn is pro-Life -100% National Right to Life
rating.
Mr. Obama spent 20 years hanging around racists and
anti-semites(not 20 seconds-20 years!)
It took him that long to do the right thing?
Does his conscience work that slow?
1. Mr. Obama is a first-term senator without a single important
legislative achievement to his name.
2. Mr. Obama voted present nearly 130 times,quite a lot for a first
term Senator.
3. Mr. Obama lectures on learning a foreign language, can speak
none himself.
4. Mr. Obama has never produced a single peice of scholarship,or
written anything of note.
5. He earned a law degree from harvard but never practiced
law.
6. He did write a book. The subject? Himself.
7. Has he ever admitted he changed his mind or was wrong about
anything?
8. on Iraq, Obama has held almost every conceivable position.
9. His Pro-Life (National Right to Life) rating=
2005 0%,
2006 0%,
2007 0%
His Pro-Abortion (NARAL) rating=
2005 100%,
2006 100%,
2007 100%
What does one innocent human life mean to God( not man, but
God)?
10. On Iraq, he has held almost every conceivable opinion
Padre Pio, was a very holy man and a great mystic. Every time I
think I've read about every book I written on the man come across
another one. In this particular book on him which I was looking at
recently, there was a person who told a story about going to him
for confession. He told about Padre Pio becoming very angry at him
for voting for a socialist. Later he went back to him for
confession and told him that this time he did not vote for the
socialist but he couldn't bring himself to vote for other candidate
either, Again Padre Pio became very angry at him
and would not grant him absolution(forgiveness of sin) From this we
have to conclude
that Padre Pio considered it a sin for someone to vote for a
socialist and also to opt for not voting
at all either. Another story I read about him in another book was
when he went up
to a person he didn't know and had never met and confronted him
about being
a communist. In other words, to Padre Pio, a person's salvation was
not exclusionary from
one's political considerations and what political party you
belonged to or voted for (if the moral positions of such
contradicted Christian teaching) could put your soul in jeopardy.
And what about being an accessory to another's sin? If a politician
has made clear his pro-abortion position and I vote for him and
once he gets into office he carries through with his philosophy am
I not guilty of aiding and abetting?
(The name of the book from which I got the Padre Pio story was
"Stories of Padre Pio" by Katharina Tangari published by TAN
books,Rockford Illinois translated from the Italian "Il Messaggio
di Padre Pio". Madame Tagari knw Padre Pio for many, many years and
was a "spiritual daughter" of him
Obama's voting record on abortion legislation gives every
indication that as president he would support the Supreme Court's
decisions that have made the procedure legal in most cases. Last
August he voted against a proposal to codify a Bush administration
policy that gives states the option of providing medical insurance
to unborn children under the State Children's Health Insurance
program. He also voted "no" on a 2006 bill to prohibit the
transportation of a minor girl across state lines to obtain an
abortion, if this would circumvent parental consent or notification
laws in her home state.
What kind of person is this guy Obama?
We will have to ANWER TO GOD for our decisions people.
Forget about telling people that you voted against the bill because "Harry Reid is a tyrannical guy" - how about just because he's an a**hole?
Making [a preemptive] war [of choice] is a legitimate
function of the national government.
I didn't say what you stuffed into the brackets.
Spoken like a true warmonger.
Go Fuck Yourself.
Since the national government is responsible for national defense,
then the national government has a legitimate function in making
war. Straightforward logic dipshit.
This logic is independent of the collection of misfits that
currently reside in the House, the Senate, and the White House.
I am learning from Obama. If I can make Latter-Day-Saints the
new Christian Scientists, I will have succeeded. Not that I think
the Deseret News will become the Monitor anytime soon, but I think
along those lines.
Hopefully I can deliver Nevada into Bluestatedom forever. Our state
bird is the Mountain Bluebird, it's only fitting.
HZR
Ron Paul isn't exactly Dr. No. He was caught during the primary campaign inserting earmarks for his district into various bills. When called out about it, he had the most absurd answer saying something to the effect that while he doesn't like the system, he's going to take advantage of it.
Since the national government is responsible for national
defense, then the national government has a legitimate function in
making war[, but since the Iraq War was a preemptive war of choice,
the national government was engaged in an illegitimate function
when it invaded Iraq]. Straightforward logic dipshit.
Thanks for clarifying!
Is postpartum depression a bad thing? Sure it is. Then let's
pass a law that "aims to eradicate the devastating effects of
postpartum depression on American families." And let's call it the
MOTHERS Act, even though MOTHERS is not, strictly speaking, the
correct acronym for Mom's Opportunity to Access Health, Education,
Research, and Support for Postpartum Depression.
In related Coburn news, the Senate Ethics Committee has renewed
their attempts to get him to stop caring for (some of those) said
mothers for free:
Coburn renews battle with Ethics over baby deliveries
In May, Coburn received a strongly worded "final determination" memo threatening him with a Senate censure if he did not stop delivering babies for free. The letter prompted several heated meetings between Coburn and the Ethics Committee in June over the matter, according to two knowledgeable Senate sources.
[...]
Coburn, however, wants to remain a true citizen-legislator and has long argued that the Senate should allow him to keep serving his patients because he plans to return to the practice when he leaves the Senate in 2016, consistent with his pledge to serve only two terms. He would like to keep up his medical skills if he is going to continue being able to earn a living in his chosen profession.
We will have to ANWER TO GOD for our decisions
people.
And who the heck voted Reid into office? How many choices were on
your ballot? Or will be in November? Who answers to God for our
lousy ballot access systems?
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