David Weigel | May 14, 2008
Before there was Ron Paul the New York Times best-selling author—go on, keep rolling that around on your tongue—there was Ron Paul, the Texas congressman who made floor statements in the House of Representatives when no one was listening. Before that there was Ron Paul, the roving libertarian politico and the publisher of countless monthly newsletters written in a voice curiously wittier than his own. And before that there was Ron Paul, founder of the Foundation for Rational Economics and Education, table-pounding advocate for the gold standard, a lecturer to anyone who would listen.
Paul is 72 years old. He has been reading libertarian philosophy for close to 50 years and writing it for more than 30. That his labors should finally bear fruit now, at the end of a presidential bid where he succeeded beyond a fool's dream by simply reiterating all those decades' worth of opinions, carries a kind of irony. All of the quirks of his presidential bid make more sense. Why did he give the same dense, 40-minute speech at every stop? Why didn't he get into the muck with the rest of the GOP candidates, even when he started to out-fundraise them? Hey, he was trying to tell you people: He wasn't running for president; he was spreading a message.
It is impossible to imagine his new book, The Revolution: A Manifesto, selling in droves, or even being published at all, if Paul had not run his quixotic presidential race. We have proof. Sharing the shelves with Paul's book is another political tome that, if you based your judgments on the elite-media love machine, you'd assume would be racing up the charts. Republican Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel's policy sheaf-cum-memoir, America: Our Next Chapter, (with the additional and aggrandizing subtitle Tough Questions, Straight Answers) comes after three fat years of Sunday show bookings, warm profiles in magazines such as GQ, and unkillable rumors that he was about to announce a presidential bid. Released two months ago, the book is already forgotten.
Hagel was supposed to be the Republicans' anti-war presidential candidate. Failing that, he was supposed to be the natural vice-presidential candidate of a third party "unity" candidacy. The praise and hopes cascaded because Hagel, who voted for the 2002 Iraq resolution, was nonetheless the highest-profile and most-credible (by dint of his service in Vietnam) Republican critic of the war in Iraq.
High-profile does not necessarily mean high-minded. In an early, critical profile of Hagel, National Review's John J. Miller bitingly labeled the senator's attacks on Bush policy as "Hagelian dialect" and "declamations that may sound weighty when spoken but become insubstantial on the printed page." God only knows why Hagel decided to prove this by putting words on a page. There are two recurring motifs in America: Our Next Chapter, and both are devastating to Hagel's image as a deep political thinker.
The first is simple banality. There is enough corn in these pages to solve the world food crisis and forge ethanol with the leftovers. "I remember the first time that I had a real sense of the stakes in global power politics," Hagel writes. "I was in Mr. Sheridan's history class at St. Bonaventure High School, in Columbus, Nebraska." How does he view the Senate? "The floor...is a more majestic setting than a crab bucket, but the behavior of the inhabitants is quite similar."
The second Hagelian device is what I'd call the "outsight"—the opposite of an insight, already quite obvious to readers but thuddingly profound for him. Yes, Hagel was right about Iraq, but the way he writes about foreign policy starts you wondering if he just lucked out this time. "Like its rival India," he writes, "Pakistan is an enormous, sprawling, chaotic land." Albeit one-quarter the size of India and the victim of four successful military coups to India's none. When Hagel isn't thumbing a world almanac, he's recounting the meetings he's held with world leaders, diplomats—people who, in their wisdom, agree with him about most things.
Hagel writes like this because his ideas are not powerful enough
to inspire much more. He is not a non-interventionist; his big
insight about America's proper place in the world is that the world
is changing. "Of course I want our country to ‘win,'" Hagel writes,
"but we must ask precisely what does ‘winning' mean and we need to
ask that question before the first shot is fired." But this is the
only problem Hagel sees with intervention. He has nothing to say
about the interventions of the 1990s, even though he voted against
them after entering the Senate in 1997. Hagel is a big believer in
soft power. But if pushed, he says, "We would mount preemptive
strikes against our enemy." The problem with the Iraqi preemptive
strike was that the enemy we should have been preempting was
stateless. This isn't much of an ideology. It's John Kerry's 2004
platform.
By contrast, Ron Paul's The Revolution could have been
written if the congressman had passed on 2008. Paul's arguments
about the money supply, foreign policy, and the Constitution have
been honed for decades. The only new thing between these covers is
confidence. "I have never seen such a diverse coalition rallying to
a single banner," Paul writes of his campaign. "Republicans,
Democrats, independents, Greens, constitutionalists, whites,
blacks, Hispanics, Asian-Americans, antiwar activists,
homeschoolers, religious conservatives, freethinkers...these folks
typically found, to their surprise, that they rather liked each
other."
The Revolution is filled with long quotes from Paul's favored philosophers and economists. It is one giant annotation to his campaign speeches. It's also a correction to some parts of his campaign. The people who thought Paul's aggressive Tom Tancredo-esque push against illegal immigration was a mistake are proven right: There is almost nothing about immigration here. There is nothing you could call right-wing populism, and while this will probably become the most popular work of Murray Rothbard-inspired libertarianism, it rejects Rothbard's late-life strategizing about the benefits of resentment politics. The Revolution is as colorblind and class-blind as any Sesame Street script. The only people readers are told to resent are the politicians and the media bosses—whom Paul compares to Pravda editors—who tell Americans there is no alternative to fiat currency and American empire.
Hagel and Paul both confront readers who, like the rest of the country, have absolutely no confidence in their leaders and no trust in what they say. Hagel tells them to buck up: "The urgency of our unsettled times demands that America acts wisely, with resolve and a common purpose." Paul tells them that they're being lied to, and he's here to tell the truth. "Few Americans realize just how costly our foreign policy is," Paul writes, referring to human lives as well as trillions of dollars. "The terrorists have played us like a fiddle." Americans are also misinformed about how our current health care system evolved, or why their dollar is worth less. They're being lied to about trade: "True free trade occurs in the absence of government intervention in the free flow of goods across borders." Paul attacks the World Trade Organization because it "makes trade relations worse by providing our foreign competitors with a collective means to attack U.S. trade interests." In each case, a foreign or elite power is hoodwinking Americans into trading the system of the Founders for a system making them less free.
Paul never sounds as certain as when he gets to link this all to monetary policy. He's rarely less convincing. Paul sees a direct link between central banking, fiat currency, and the economic crises that he argues wreck the average American's prosperity and empower thugs. A financial collapse, he prophesies, "becomes more likely every day." He proposes legalizing precious metals as currency and killing sales and capital gains taxes on metals to stave off the crisis. It's all packaged as a monetary twist on Pascal's wager: "If we're wrong, then all we've done is eliminate some taxes on gold and silver. No harm done." This is awfully optimistic. The 19th century's booms and busts were far more damaging to livelihoods and to economic systems than anything in the fiat money era. They provided much steadier footing for radical movements. Paul's overheated worry about a Weimar Republic-style collapse kicks the legs out from underneath the argument.
That's what doesn't work. Paul's narrow-eyed certainty about the elites' concealment of the truth can be irritating, especially when he marshalls so many libertarian thinkers—Nozick, Hayek, Mises—to undergird an occasionally specious ideology. But it is an ideology. Paul has a grand unified theory to offer readers, knowing full well that he's opening minds, not programming them. Hagel offers his readers safe ideas and easy paeans to "leadership." Paul offers readers, first and foremost, the lesson that "leaders" and universally accepted concepts shouldn't be trusted. It is worried and informed neostructuralists who can change things, not historical "great men." If Ron Paul doesn't provide perfect solutions, he certainly provides a blueprint.
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Much as I am on board with Paul's message, I don't see his book staying high on the charts for long. He has a niche following. When Tool comes out with a new album, they're number one - for a week or two. Same kinda deal.
The 19th century's booms and busts were far more damaging to
livelihoods and to economic systems than anything in the fiat money
era.
The fiat money era, or the Federal Reserve era?
Because if we're talking the Federal Reserve era, the Great
Depression is on the list.
Nietzsche only peaked after he died. When he was alive he could
barely get a publisher for Zarathustra and the printing
runs were miserably small. By WWI, Zarathustra was
probably the most widely read text written in German.
Somewhat similarly, a book full of radical "kooky" ideas may just
make a momentary blip on the charts and then fade, but it does not
necessarily follow that the impact of the work will fade with it.
It all depends upon whether subsequent events make RP's message
more or less salient. If we do have a Weimar-style collapse in a
decade, expect him to be "rediscovered" and quoted ad nauseam.
The Revolution is as colorblind and class-blind as any
Sesame Street script.
Nice Dave. Best turn of phrase I've read this year!
The 19th century had fractional reserve banking and various government bailouts and protections as moral hazards.
The 19th century's booms and busts were far more damaging to
livelihoods and to economic systems than anything in the fiat money
era. They provided much steadier footing for radical
movements.
Which one of the 19th century panics was worse than the Great
Depression?
Which one of the 19th century panics was worse than the
Great Depression?
Depends how you look at it. In absolute terms of equity loss, none
of them -- but in absolute terms the 1987 stock market crash was
the worst panic of all time. In terms of people's living standards,
the 19th century failures were all worse, because people were
poorer in the 19th century and a smaller relative drop meant
disproportionally more misery, perhaps even starvation.
By the 1920s, we were starting to realize the benefits of a
liberalized world trade system. The collapse of that system took us
back a bit, but most people lived better than pre-1900.
So we end up with factors unrelated to fiat money (globalization
and generally higher standard of living) that prevent crashes from
hurting us as bad as they did in the 19th century.
Makes sense to me. Fact is, crashed pre 1900 were less bad, they
just hurt worse for other reasons.
In terms of people's living standards, the 19th century
failures were all worse, because people were poorer in the 19th
century and a smaller relative drop meant disproportionally more
misery, perhaps even starvation.
Perhaps, but there was no 19th century deliberate reformation of
the federal government into an organized crime syndicate like the
New Deal.
TallDave:
Chuck who?
Cmon. Sen Hagel R-Neb, a fiscal conservative, was one of the first
senators to challenge the claims of necessity and wisdom of
attacking Iraq. And his predictions of the problems that would
accompany the tragedy have come to fruition in abundance.
If Weigel does not believe in the liberalization of personal
economic choice and currencies, what does he believe in? I can't
see much of a libertarian alternative in his criticisms.
Over all a favorable piece.
"Nietzsche only peaked after he died."
Which inspires me to share this minor contribution to the fine
arts:
"Freddie Nietzsche is Dead"
(to the tune of "Freddie's Dead," by Fishbone)
Say Freddie's dead,
That's what I said
Whatever may be the case with God
Freddie Nietzsche lies beneath the sod
It's hard to understand
The stuff that was written by this man
But I'm sure all would agree
He has great posthumous popularity
Freddie's dead,
That's what I said
Everybody's misused him
Ripped him off and abused him
Doing the best he can
Looking for the Overman
That really blows, but that's how it goes
Freddie's in the boneyard now
And if you want to be a famous writer
Just remember
Write like Fred.
Trashy novels and cookbooks may sell the best
But sometimes I must confess
For books with bigger topics I dream
Topics like - Reality, What Does it Mean?
Now Freddie's back
That's what I sprach
You can keep your high-tech gadgetry
Just give me The Birth of Tragedy
Let me read Human, All Too Human
Not Peggy Noonan
(Where's your whip when you really need it?)
You can pick flowers, give *me* the Will to Power
He died delirious, and it make furious
Freddie's dead
Don't be misled, just think of Fred
Don't be misled, just think of Fred
There was ONE AND ONLY ONE TIME THERE WAS A REAL GOLD
STANDARD.
This was 1870-1913.
This was the ONE and ONLY time a free, classical gold standard was
allowed for America.
This was also known as the "guilded age", the greatest economic
expansion in American history where we rocketed past Old Europe and
became the dominant industrial power.
This time also saw deflation, yes, believe it, the economy expanded
and things got cheaper at the same time!
Really, this is why Reason sucks sometimes. You guys are pussy
libertarians. You stand hard on the easy stuff like drugs and
taxes, but you puss out over hardcore stuff like monetary
policy.
I mean, omg, even Cato came out in support of the gold standard,
you can't be more pussy than Cato?
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9181
Here is said article about pussyness of reason writers...
The 19th century had fractional reserve banking
Anytime you have fractional reserve banking, you have "fiat money,"
because you have more money than can be redeemed for metal.
Even a gold standard has 'fiat money' in circulation if it also has
fractional reserve banking.
The existence of a god standard need not preclude currency inflation, particularly if there is 'official' currency. After all, the Continental was badly devalued. Of course, the pro tem government had little collateral to back up its currency. You might say the colonists were 'tricked' into financing the revolutionary army.
Even Friedman eventually gave up on responsible management of
the money by policrats.
"Most of my own work dealing with public policy has had the
same character of proceeding as if I were addressing governmental
officials selflessly dedicated to the public interest. I have
attempted to persuade the Federal Reserve System that it was doing
the wrong thing and it ought to adopt a different policy. This time
was ill-spent because the public-interest characterization of
government is basically flawed.... We do not regard a businessman
as selflessly devoted to the public interest. We think of a
businessman as in business to improve his own welfare, to serve his
own interest.... Why should we regard government officials
differently? They too aim to serve their own interest, and in
government as in business we must try to set up institutions under
which individuals who intend only their own gain are led by an
invisible hand to serve the public interest. The Federal Reserve
System puts a great deal of power in the hands of a few people and
it is so constructed that it has been in their self-interest to
pursue a policy which, I believe, has been very harmful for the
public rather than helpful.... Clearly, it was not in the
self-interest of the Federal Reserve hierarchy to follow the
hypothetical policy [of a monetary rule]. It was therefore a waste
of time to try to persuade them to do so."
Whole article.
Sesame Street was neither color- nor class-blind. The early
episodes were designed for the ghettos and would be racially
offensive by today's general standards.
Nice article, though.
Mr Weigel,
Overall, a nice article. But:
As a libertarian, why do you believe that an appointed,
unaccountable
board of benevolent experts should determine the short-term
rental
rate for money, instead of the free market, via the price
mechanism?
Until you can answer that question, I don't really expect you
are
going to put forth a very convincing critique of Mr Paul's
proposals
in this arena.
Mick,
The only reason I come to reason.com anymore is to read comments
like yours that get to the heart of the matter and expose these
charlatans as the unprincipled dope-smokers they are. Bravo.
You might say the colonists were 'tricked' into financing
the revolutionary army.
You are obviously a communist. There is no connection at all
between monetary policy and fighting wars. They have NOTHING to do
with each other at all. It is perfectly logical to be against the
war (although that would make you racist traitor all by itself),
and for fiat money.
Anybody who disagrees is either a racist like Ron Paul and Lew
Rockwell, or communist. I haven't seen you use any racial slurs, so
you must be a communist.
Reason's benefactor, billionaire David Koch, HATES the idea of sound money, so the review was fairly good considering the editorial control being exerted by Reason's sugar daddy (who pimps for Dick Cheney -- http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020581.html).
This was 1870-1913.
Bullhockey. That was the era of the centralized fractional reserve
gold standard. We had a different gold standard before 1860, it
just wasn't centralized, and had a few more controls against
fractional lending. The era of 1787-1860 was not characterized by
booms and busts like the later era.
Paul:"If we're wrong, then all we've done is eliminate some
taxes on gold and silver. No harm done."
Weigel: This is awfully optimistic.
Cosmotarian Overlord: You tell him Weigel, getting rid of taxes
could be deadly. All cosmotarians know that unimaginable evils
could occur if we get rid of some taxes. Elaborate on this and
maybe we can get you a gig as a college economics professor.
I'm just mad that I didn't think of the title, "Children of the rEVOLution." Damned clever, and I love T-Rex...
Anyone catch Ron Paul on NPR's Talk of the Nation today?
He spoke well, except for ranting on and on about an irrefutable
connection between pro-liberty and pro-life in response to a
caller's abortion question...
Come on Dave. You can't be so anti-Rothbard that you haven't read What Has Government Done to Our Money?. If you read this, you would know the booms and busts were due to fractional reserve banking. "You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!" Other than that, I found the article to be pretty fair in regards to Dr. Paul.
"He spoke well, except for ranting on and on about an
irrefutable connection between pro-liberty and pro-life in response
to a caller's abortion question..."
Yeah, what's with this so-called link between life and liberty? The
authors of the Declaration of Indepenence had a similar obsession
("life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"), as did the authors
of the Constitution (the Fifth and Fourteenth amendments refer to
"life, liberty and property"). Then there's Thomas Jefferson's
comment that "The god who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same
time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin
them."
I mean, blah blah blah, what a bunch of weirdos!
And did you notice how the Declaration of Independence says people
are "*created* equal" with inalianable rights, not "born equal,"
when everyone knows that you're not fully human until you've come
through the birth canal?
But what do you expect from religious fundamentalists like Thomas
Jefferson, with his belief in our rights coming from a so-called
"God."
What's this? Reason writes an article about Ron Paul and not
only gives the newsletters no more than passing mention, but is
actually complimentary?
My universe is in chaos! Must re-read article and find my
error!
Paul never sounds as certain as when he gets to link this all
to monetary policy. He's rarely less convincing. ... This is
awfully optimistic.
Oh. That's okay, then.
Mad Max,
Good job on the Freddie's Dead lyrics, but it was a Curtis Mayfield
song on the Super Fly soundtrack( one the best albums ever),
Fishbone just covered it.
The 19th century's booms and busts were far more damaging to
livelihoods and to economic systems than anything in the fiat money
era.
Mr. Weigel does not know much about economic history, does he? Nor
does he understand money, fractional reserve banking, central
banking, interest rate manipulation, money supply rate... all
things that affect a boom-bust cycle. The "fiat money" era has seen
more devastating effects of the boom-bust cycle, including a couple
of very terrible wars.
"You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The
most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia. And
only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a
Sicilian when death is on the line!"
Nice, I haven't seen that movie in years. I going to put it on my
Netflix queue.
'Even Friedman eventually gave up on responsible management of
the money by policrats."
I am for the gold standard, but Friedman's idea of abolishing the
Federal Reserve & setting a yearly steady rate of inflation
with fiat money makes sense also.
I am for the gold standard, but Friedman's idea of
abolishing the Federal Reserve & setting a yearly steady rate
of inflation with fiat money makes sense also.
Ok, which rate? Who sets it, and why?
Friedman's argument in favor of setting a steady rate of
increase in the money supply makes more sense than the herky jerky
machinations of the Fed. The idea is to approximate the rate of
growth in producitivy/economic growth with the growth of the money
supply.
While it would be better for many reasons, one of them being the
ability for people and businesses to do economic planning with some
certainty, it is still not as good as getting rid of the Fed.
Ron Paul's idea of having gold and silver as competing currency is
a very good step toward making the Fed irrelevant. Inflate, and
contracts will all be negotiated in metal. Keep the money supply
reasonable, and the dollar will stay the currency of choice. But it
would certainly give us a hammer to pound the Fed with should they
get out of control. And fractional reserve banking would certainly
have to be brought under control somehow. Maybe removing government
guarantees to account holders would force a little discipline on
the banking class. That and education would go a long way toward
bringing about economic liberty.
And Dave's alternative is to keep the Fed? Sounds like a really bad
and unlibertarian idea. Maybe Bob Barr can get behind it.
Ugh, Couldn't Weigel stop pretending to be a libertarian ? Can't
he get a job at New Republic, or maybe Mother Jones ?
economic upheaval caused by the gold standard ? Well, shouldn't a
Libertarian want economic upheaval, for all the Feds stabilization,
the economic mobility of people has decreased. The Rich stay Rich.
Economic Upheaval is a great equalizer, and you shouldn't fear it
so much, particularly if you are a libertarian.
And fractional reserve banking would certainly have to be
brought under control somehow. Maybe removing government guarantees
to account holders would force a little discipline on the banking
class.
That's all it would take. Let banks with bad business practices
fail. However, it is hard to resist the political pressure for
bailout.
"The 19th century's booms and busts were far more damaging to
livelihoods and to economic systems than anything in the fiat money
era. They provided much steadier footing for radical
movements."
Were they really worse than the world-wide great depression, that
ushered in the Nazis, not to mention completely altered the size
and scope of the U.S. fed. gov't and changed the national economy
with all those New Deal programs that are still reallocating wealth
in the opposite direction that they claimed they would? Maybe. But,
I would think not.
It seems to me that all that was done with the passing of the Fed
Reserve Act was to turn smaller, more isolated banking crises into
national, global catastrophes. The Act didn't do anything to
address the reasons for bank runs: insufficient deposits as a
result of fractional banking; it just moved the operation up a few
notches/ So now the depressions are more severe and the effects
more wide spread. The three most severe contractions in U.S.
history took place in the 20th centruty, not the 19th. And, as far
as I can tell, the 20th century provided more extreme,
authoritarian, genocidal, aggressive regimes than the 19th.
Not to say that the 1800s weren't full of crises and corruption, of
course they were. Obviously, I am not a historian, but the above
passage just struck me as questionable when contrasted with the
little I do know.
If Ron Paul's wrong about fiat money, please explain these
graphs:
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/borrow
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BOGNONBR
(note "conspiratorial" source I'm using, too.) Why must
libertarians ignore the obvious history of fiat "money"?? What's
different about these graphs from Weimar Germany, anyway??? And the
REAL problem is, once this hits the fan and I say "I told you so,"
the same idiots who denied any problem with fiat "money" are
guaranteed (mark my words...) to blame hard money types like ME!!
Dimwits.
JMR
I think Ron Paul envisions not a gold standard, but a return to
the Jacksonian/Van Buren idea of free banking. He doesn't want the
government to guarantee the price of gold, but to allow the market
to recognize gold contracts.
Ron Paul's Minority Report to the Gold Commission
(co written with Murray Rothbard) should be required reading for
anyone who wants to understand how the monetary issue affected
American history.
By the way, the US never really had a "gold standard". It was
always a bimetalic standard. The government fixed ration between
gold and silver was one of the weaknesses of the system, as the
Congress could not keep up with the real monetary ratio.
Travis,
Thank you for the correction, and I'm sorry for dissing Curtis
Mayfield.
Note what Greenspan said here:
http://www.usagold.com/gildedopinion/greenspan.html
"A fully free banking system and fully consistent gold standard
have not as yet been achieved. But prior to World War I, the
banking system in the United States (and in most of the world) was
based on gold and even though governments intervened occasionally,
banking was more free than controlled. Periodically, as a result of
overly rapid credit expansion, banks became loaned up to the limit
of their gold reserves, interest rates rose sharply, new credit was
cut off, and the economy went into a sharp, but short-lived
recession. (Compared with the depressions of 1920 and 1932, the
pre-World War I business declines were mild indeed.) It was limited
gold reserves that stopped the unbalanced expansions of business
activity, before they could develop into the post-World Was I type
of disaster. The readjustment periods were short and the economies
quickly reestablished a sound basis to resume expansion."
Somehow, I believe Alan's grasp of US monetary history exceeds that
of the average cosmotarian writer for Reason, great as I'm sure
they are...
JMR
I've never heard the big enemies of free-markets for currencies
argue that the Fed doesn't make it easier for the Federal
Governments to borrow excessively and thus unfairly bind future
generations with the chains of debt they never asked for.
They frequently say that booms and bust were worse before the Fed,
yet real economic growth was higher before the Fed. Inflation was
lower before the fed and the wealth was less concentrated in the
top 1% than it has been afterwards. In spite of this, the anti-
freedom advocates constantly bring up the problem of increasing
wealth disparity and try to lay blame on free-markets. The media
and others on the left eat this up and more creeping socialism
always ensues.(to the point that now we have see real incomes for
individuals fall over the last 20 years for the first time in US
history)!
When a fed was created, an enormous amount of power was put into
the hands of a very small group of people. Nevermind Rothbard and
Mises, even a decent reading of Hayek or Thomas Jefferson should
make one think twice before taking this kind of power away from the
free market and handing it over to a few "experts".
This concentration of power can be used to accumulate greater
wealth for those who hold influence over the power. Dupes, naives
and useful idiots seem to lack the financial expertise or knowledge
of human nature to comprehend the MANY ways that this power can be
used to help those with the power at the expense of those without
the power. Weigel please think a little more about this.
"The 19th century's booms and busts were far more damaging to
livelihoods and to economic systems than anything in the fiat money
era. They provided much steadier footing for radical
movements."
Amber,
It seems that David Weigel thinks the Bolsheviks(USSR),
Fabians(Britain and USA) and Nationalist Socialist(Germany) were
nothing compared to the radical whiskey rebellion or the radical
abolitionist in favor of ending Slavery. The radicals of the 18th
and 19th century were trying to get out from under oppressive
mercantilist taxes of the British empire or fighting against the
conscriptionist, mercantilist empire based in the money centers of
the North. Radicals in the 19th century were trying to get such
crazy things as universal male suffrage and ending taxes on food.
Once you see the sort of radical ideas being pushed before the Fed
and afterwards....you get an idea of who Weigel is spewing
propaganda for(people in favor of mercantilist/facists/crony
capitalist empires...at the expense of free competition, challenges
to the ruling elite, property rights etc. Seriously, where does
this line of argument come from Weigel? who is it that thinks the
radicalism in the 18th and 19th century was worse than that of the
20th and 21st century? It is one of the most absurd notions you
have pushed here.
Here's some more fuel to add to the fire. Did you know that a central bank with fiat currency is one of the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto?
By the way, the US never really had a "gold standard". It was always a bimetalic standard. The government fixed ration between gold and silver was one of the weaknesses of the system, as the Congress could not keep up with the real monetary ratio.
Free banking would also allow silver contracts, or industrial
silicon contracts or whatever, without any ratios fixed by
congress.
I could imagine that when the dust settled on such a system, most
things might have two prices. Prices in ounces of gold and ounces
of silver, with the ratio constantly changing.
Did you know that it is also one of the planks of the Federal
Council of Churches(later to become National Council of Churches)
put together by John Foster Dulles and the Rockefellers?
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,801396,00.html
@Cosmotarian Overload (mispelling intended)
Wow, so I guess the Religious Right really is neither.
David Weigel wrote, "The 19th century's booms and busts were far
more damaging to livelihoods and to economic systems than anything
in the fiat money era."
The fact, admitted by Ben Bernanke of the federal reserve on their
web site, is the federal reserve caused the Great Depression.
What's so bad with allowing another currency to compete? Why do so
many people think competition and a free market are bad?
Let people choose their currency - if you don't like a currency
backed by something real, then you can continue to use the Federal
Reserve Note (backed by nothing).
Enough debate about the gold-standard, let's watch Marc Bolan do
the title-song of this article (with Ringo and Elton backing him
up):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xJ_agcMy5c
Any libertarian worth his salt knows that governments derive
their just powers from the consent of the governed and as such they
are instituted solely to the purpose of
-protection of life, liberty and property against foreign
threaths
-protection of life, liberty and property against domestic
criminals
-enforcement of contracts
-establishment of the proper money supply and interest rates.
written in a voice curiously wittier than his
own.
Weigel, you're turning into Maureen Dowd.
It is impossible to imagine his new book, The Revolution: A
Manifesto, [...] being published at all,
Hey, have you heard of this thing called the Mises Institute? Look
into that.
Paul sees a direct link between central banking, fiat currency,
and the economic crises
Hey, Weigel, have you heard of this thing called the Mises
Institute? Look into that.
universally accepted concepts shouldn't be trusted.
Yes, I'll just call you 'Dowd' from now on.
"David Weigel wrote, "The 19th century's booms and busts were
far more damaging to livelihoods and to economic systems than
anything in the fiat money era."
If this wasn't the standard statist argument repeated billions of
times over for more goverment, I'd say that it was one of the
dumbest things I've ever read.
Recessions (contracting GDP) on average every 5 years, a huge asset
bubble in the 1920's leading to the worst economic disaster ever in
American history, rampant, out of control inflation in the 1970's,
2 massive financial bubbles and their aftermath, and the loss of
95% of the purchasing power of the dollar. With the brief exception
of the Volker era the federal reserve has been nothing more than a
dollar printing press. Pumping them out at an ever-increasing
rate.
That is the record of central banking in America.
The 19th century, especially the pre-Civil War gold stanadard era
in contrast was time of tremendous growth and freedom. Most of the
financial panics were just that: brief financial events that had no
real, lasting effect on the general economy, jobs and businesses.
Most of the financial turmoil was caused by two episodes of going
off the gold standard - the War of 1812 and the Civil War - and
then the pain of soaking up the excess fiat currency required to
return to the currency being anchored to gold. Most the financial
panics of the 19th century can be traced to the aftermath of those
episodes when the federal government simply printed paper, fiat
money to pay for War, with the predictable result - massive
inflation. 1819 and 1873 were prime examples.
The 19th century was a time of almost uninterupted economic growth
and properity, although hardly a laissez-faire paradise, especially
after the Civil War - with federal subsiides and regulation, teh
national banking system and a high protective tariff.
The 19th century's booms and busts were far more damaging to
livelihoods and to economic systems than anything in the fiat money
era.
Yeah, that Depression thing was just a bump in the road....
Paul's overheated worry about a Weimar Republic-style collapse
kicks the legs out from underneath the argument.
But if the economy actually is headed toward a Weimar
Republic-style collapse, it's hard to call any worry
"overheated".
Weigel has been completely refuted by the comments to his own
article. Must be humbling, dude... Anyway, email me at jray AT
martincam.com if anyone -- especially Weigel -- tries to refute the
various people who refuted him. Looks pretty sparse for now, so
"we" win in a smackdown.
JMR
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