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Did I Give Paul a Pass?

Virginia Postrel has some critical words for reason's coverage of Ron Paul:
I do fault my friends at Reason, who... scornful of the earnestness that takes politics seriously, apparently didn't do their homework before embracing Paul as the latest indicator of libertarian cachet. For starters, they might have asked my old boss Bob Poole about Ron Paul; I remember a board member complaining about Paul's newsletters back in the early '90s. Besides, people as cosmopolitan as Nick Gillespie and Matt Welch should be able to detect something awry in Paul's populist appeals... I suspect they did but decided it was more useful to spin things their way than to take Paul's record and ideas seriously.

I can only speak for myself here, and I knew about the newsletters, and wrote that I did, way back in May 2007. Older, more experienced libertarians were telling me that they would be a problem for Paul. I asked Paul back then about the letters and have asked him (and the campaign) since then about support from Don Black. I wasn't ignorant of these problems and I wasn't covering them up. As Paul's campaign grew this stuff just lost importance to me. Paul disassociates himself from the newsletters (although not from all the people who wrote them) and the people running his campaign have no connection to that older, nastier iteration of his career. The campaign was growing so much larger and more interesting than the conspiratorial Paul circle of the late 80s and mid-90s.

In any case, the Paul pile-on is starting to get ridiculous. You can blame Paul and the ghostwriters for some of this, for keeping what was in the newsletters so quiet, but simply because so many of them are now out I'm seeing "damning" quotes that pad the lists without making Paul look out of line. The excitable Dan Koffler compiles some that wouldn't sound out of place, frankly, in a conservative blog or in National Review. For example:

Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country.

This is something Herman Cain says once or twice every hour.

The Earth Summit is the creepiest meeting of politicos since the first gathering of Bolsheviks. Officially known as the UN Conference for Environment and Development, it will be held in Brazil in June; bad guys from all over the globe will attend.
Silly, but sounds like something John Bolton would say.

I agree with Virginia's first response to the controversy: Libertarians have known for a while about Paul's more right-wing flashes. I was expecting a controversy like this to arise if Paul stayed in the race and made waves.
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Comments to "Did I Give Paul a Pass?":

John C Acshun jaxson the 3rd | January 10, 2008, 9:35am | #

Again I wonder why there is all this "cosmopolitan" vs. "populist" bs. Am I the only regular libertarian who is neither "elitist" NOR friendly with racists?

affenkopf | January 10, 2008, 9:42am | #

I agree with John. What the fuck other than "I don't like Lew Rockwell & company" does "cosmopolitan Libertarian" even mean? There's Libertarian & not-Libertarian. And to determine if you are a Libertarian are not things like the Non-aggression principle are much more important than what your social views are or in which part of the county you live.

Peter | January 10, 2008, 9:43am | #

This stuff was on Wikipedia for shits sake if you didn't know about it your an idiot. I mean seriously you either accept his response the one has given for years or you don't, your ignorance is no excuse for your outrage. For me I give Paul the benifit of the doubt it is no worse than seeking the endorsment of Farakon, Sharpton, or Robertson who have all said and some continue to say hateful things about jews, mormons, gays, and others. It was negligent and stupid and he should of known better but it isn't going on now and I trust it won't happen again.

DavidS | January 10, 2008, 9:43am | #

Nice way of highlighting what turns to have been a very prescient article from May...

temporary k | January 10, 2008, 9:45am | #

Agreed. My respect for Virginia is fading fast with all her coded speech. Seriously, what does "cosmopolitan" mean to her? And where specifically does it differ from Ron Paul's 2008 campaign?

Off the top of my head, abortion and immigration are the obvious ones. Where else?

Episiarch | January 10, 2008, 9:46am | #

Being called "cosmopolitan" is like being called "metrosexual". It's kind of like someone saying that you're not gay, but they could understand you being mistaken for being so.

"We're here! We're not queer! But we're close! Get used to it!"

penxv | January 10, 2008, 9:47am | #

It's probably good that this stuff came out now. It doesn't substantively change anything though.

Paul is still as close to an ideal candidate as libertarians are going to get.

Warren | January 10, 2008, 9:47am | #

Tell me again about how thing were so much better when VP was in charge.

John-David | January 10, 2008, 9:47am | #

So Nick and Matt are almost gay? I'm so confused...

Brian Carnell | January 10, 2008, 9:48am | #

"For me I give Paul the benifit of the doubt it is no worse than seeking the endorsment of Farakon, Sharpton, or Robertson who have all said and some continue to say"

Exactly. Paul is just like Farrakhan/Sharpton.

Libertarians FTW.

It is interesting to see the full-on denial from libertarians about just how odious Ron Paul is.

joe | January 10, 2008, 9:48am | #

She totally should have written "That magazine has really gone downhill since I left."

BTW, "cosmopolitan" means "hip, urbane, and at home in at atmosphere of cultural diversity."

Tim | January 10, 2008, 9:48am | #

"This stuff was on Wikipedia for shits sake if you didn't know about it your an idiot"

Does that go for everything on Wikipedia or just stuff about Ron Paul?

the future and her SSRIs | January 10, 2008, 9:48am | #

It differs in Postrel's advocacy of genocide against the people of Iraq for various made-up bullshit reasons that anyone with half a brain could see through. Harsh, but true. No matter how much more useful it is to spin things her way than to take Postrel's record and ideas seriously.

Tim | January 10, 2008, 9:52am | #

Postrel advocated genocide in Iraq? I didn't know about this. I mean, I seem to recall when she was advocating for genocide in Rwanda, but not Iraq.

Dodsworth | January 10, 2008, 9:53am | #

I am very troubled by the newsletters but the effort to turn Paul into some sort of Nazi monster is getting to be a scandal in its own way. TNR trolled through seventeen years of WEEKLY newsletters and only found a few (all linked at reason) to cross over the line into racism.....others, like the UN, piece were more common. The piece on Duke was not "praise" for him but merely urged candidates to recognize that he had successfully exploited certain issues such as taxes.

Are there more than those linked by TNR? If not, Paul does not deserve this kind of grief, especially since he he HAS APOLOIGZED, for the really bad ones.

Warren | January 10, 2008, 9:53am | #

It is interesting to see the full-on denial from libertarians about just how odious Ron Paul is.
Even at his worst, he's ten times less odious than any other candidate for president in the past forty years.

penxv | January 10, 2008, 9:53am | #

Plus, most normal people haven't even started paying attention yet.

DavidS | January 10, 2008, 9:54am | #

Classic passive aggressive link from Instapundit:

"VIRGINIA POSTREL posts a rare criticism of Reason magazine over the Ron Paul affair. Actually, I think it's the only time she's criticized the new regime; the only time I can remember, anyway."

GILMORE | January 10, 2008, 9:54am | #

In any case, the Paul pile-on is starting to get ridiculous.

Im sorry, but you made your bed, and now you have to sleep in it.

Many readers here have pointed out the unequivocal, 24/7, RON PAUL IS TEH SHIZNORZ! coverage here was silly by itself, and now that the picture has some spots on it, the caveats and backpedaling is even more silly.

next time around, maybe a grain of salt or two will be in order

Dan Koffler | January 10, 2008, 9:55am | #

David,

Not all the Paul quotes are equally repulsive, and there is nothing objectionable about taking exception to the earth summit, nor necessarily about observations of black political uniformity. But the former comes in the context of heaps of crazy rambling about one-world government conspiracies --- indeed, in the context of speculating that a literal "Trotskyite-Maoist" conspiracy is poised to take over the world. Therefore it seemed fairly clear to me that the term "Bolshevik" was not merely a hyperbolic rhetorical point, but another datum of paranoid conspiracy-mongering. In context, remarks about secretive one-worldist meetings are not benign.

Likewise, the claim about black political uniformity comes in a discussion of the feral qualities of blacks and how they are brainwashed by their leaders to commit violence. Furthermore, the repetitive incantation of the word, 'black' this, 'black' that, 'black' the other thing, is indicative of an attitude in the same way that saying 'Jew,' 'Jew,' 'Jew' would be.

In any case, there are many, many more pages of material every bit as disgusting as what you'd acknowledge is disgusting in the material I reprinted. And this all comes from a tiny sample of the 20 years of Ron Paul reports. Your claim is that, because one or two remarks could be interpreted as merely insane, and not hateful (though I say the context clarifies the right interpretation), it's piling on to want to disassociate your own beliefs from this trash?

Ali | January 10, 2008, 9:55am | #

I can only speak for myself here, and I knew about the newsletters, and wrote that I did, way back in May 2007.

But something like this should not be just mentioned once. It should be used as a reminder every now and then just like Reason writers do almost every thread. They refer back to older stuff that matters. And this isn't something trivial to not be referred to (and revisited) every now and then.

With that said, and with the fact that the statements written in Ron Paul's reports are truly appalling, I still think that all the rest of his ideas are worthy of support. He has repudiated them and should keep doing what he's doing. It is not like the other candidates are angels and non-populist.

Martin | January 10, 2008, 9:56am | #

Postrel jumped on the war bandwagon, and I don't think has got off it yet. I wouldn't have said 'genocide' though, despite the fact that I can't stand her. It does really make a mockery of all this 'cosmopolitanism' nonsense.

1440 minutes | January 10, 2008, 9:58am | #

"Paul is just like Farrakhan/Sharpton."
Brian Carnell

Brian, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. *No one* has *ever* heard Dr. Paul say *anything* remotely resembling the filth that reportedly was printed in those newsletters, so what evidence do you have for your outrageous and over-the-top statement.

ed | January 10, 2008, 9:59am | #

"scornful of the earnestness that takes politics seriously"

That sums it up rather nicely I think. Would anyone claim that Reason is as serious as, say, Cato? There's nothing wrong with fun and games, but libertarianism rarely gets to the root of things.

libertreee | January 10, 2008, 9:59am | #

Good for you, David! I am shocked at the shocked reactions of many of the H&R commentators! The Gays and Lesbians for Ron Paul don't give a good goddamn about them, either.

Like I have said, these comments are certainly un-PC, but are nothing more than what you heard from Rush or G Gordon Libby at the time. Pat Buchanon was AGAINST the first Gulf War. Rothbard and others felt the LP was not focused on foreign policy. They courted the right wing. Welfare was a big issue. Black on black crime was a big issue. Black preteens had committed horrible murders that were on the news.

The difference in culture between the Korean immigrants and the rioting blacks was a hot topic. A working class man was dragged from his truck and murdered in those riots. The line about the riots stopped when the welfare check arrived to me was actually quite funny in a sharp, sad way.

I am glad everyone has moved on beyond those days. We are over the MLK backlash. By the way, lest you think by my tone that I would go around saying these things, that is not true either. I despise racism. I am from NYC and LA and I don't want to proclaim MY cosmopolitan bona fides at all, no one is perfect in this regard. But, although I laughed at some of it and was put off by some of what I heard from conservatives and some libs in those days, I couldn't help but see the kernel of truth in what was said.

The NEOCONS are infiltrated into the right and left largely because they are seen as cosmopolitan. Those conservatives are different, they don't hate the jews, and so on. But, they kill, kill, kill, whomever they target for destruction. Virginia Postrel and her husband and some of the Cato crowd who proclaim their "tolerant cosmopolitan" nature have supported the wholesale unnecessary slaughter of hundreds of thousands and have helped let loose the dogs of war to what end we know not.

Dr Paul, whatever his shortcomings in the period in question, as well as the paleos at LRC have consistently been anti interventionist and anti war. Libertarians have admitted that they erred in supporting McCarthy for a while. I am sure, as Dr Paul has already, they will acknowledge their lapse into this rhetorical style was excessive and sometimes went beyond the pale. But, they were right, right, right on the horrors of war, and that is more important to me.

R C Dean | January 10, 2008, 10:00am | #

Postrel jumped on the war bandwagon, and I don't think has got off it yet. I wouldn't have said 'genocide' though, despite the fact that I can't stand her. It does really make a mockery of all this 'cosmopolitanism' nonsense.

Because no one could possibly be hip, urbane, and at home in at atmosphere of cultural diversity and in favor of getting rid of a genocidal psychopath like Saddam Hussein as the first step in draining the toxic swamp that is the Middle East.

I mean, all the folks at the cosmopolitan cocktail parties were against it!

Episiarch | January 10, 2008, 10:00am | #

BTW, "cosmopolitan" means "hip, urbane, and at home in at atmosphere of cultural diversity."

I must be losing my touch if I can't even get joe riled up any more.

Shane Brady | January 10, 2008, 10:01am | #

Does apologizing somehow make it all go away? And for the record, I haven't heard much of an actual apology. I've read that he takes "moral responsibility" for the newsletters, but big deal. How could he not take responsibility for something with his name on it, and often written in the first person as Ron Paul. So big deal.

His response has been so muted, with so little passion, it seems he treats this as a minor annoyance. I've yet to see a repudiation with as much passion as he has when he talks about wanting to ban abortion.

He's a just pathetic, old, angry, white man.

Peter | January 10, 2008, 10:02am | #

Wikipedia is not a good source but if you read about the newsletters in wikipedia you could have easily found stuff our about it.

As for the Farrakan/Shapton/Robertson thing the difference is some candidates these days are still accepting their support as apposed to Paul who if you beleive him never had these view but instead was just grosely negligent just like those who didn't know about the newsletters. He made a big mistake and a stupid one but he isn't still making it.

cat's pajamas | January 10, 2008, 10:03am | #

i had to google this feral "Koffler" person to fnd his "piece". Why doesn't Koffler offer a substantive rebuttal to what he calls "crazy"?

Answer -- he can't.

The neocon leaders who have brainwashed him into advocacy of war crimes have their roots in the Trotskyite movement. He needs to step up and own that.

drink your ovaltine | January 10, 2008, 10:04am | #

Following the link to Postrel's site, she says "cosmopolitan" is code for "Jew"? I thought neocon was supposed to be code for "Jew"? Why is Postrel engaging in this coded speech? Or is it just conspiracy theorizing on her part? Or both?

creech | January 10, 2008, 10:05am | #

It could have been worse. In a previous thread, twv noted that Rockwell, Rothbard, Paul took a turn to the darkside in the late 80s. As I recall, the Rothbard/Rockwell candidate for National Chair of the LP was narrowly defeated at the 1989 convention in Phila. (Thanks to Rothbard totally embarrassing himself in the nominating speech). They then stomped out of the LP.
Imagine if they had won and used a controlled LP to peddle their views? {not that the LP has gone on to greater glory in the meantime)

Gabe Harris | January 10, 2008, 10:06am | #

Arnold Shwarzenegger says he admires Adolf Hitler...he is cheered as a great conservative. Bill Clinton and George Bush applaud and expand a drug war that imprisons two billion non-violent blacks adn look the otehr way at CIA coke trafficking and they are compassionate people.

Clinton-Bush regime kill one million innocent Iraqis that had nothing to do with 9/11 and they are fredom fighting saviors of mankind.

Ron Paul talks about a foreign policy of peace and you guys dig up stuff he never even wrote and claim he is a racist...your a joke.

yes lets get back to bombing aspirin factories in Sudan and show the world how cosmopolitan we are.

Fluffy | January 10, 2008, 10:07am | #

It seems to me that the "cosmopolitanism" argument that seems so trivial to some is important to others because it raises the question of exactly whom libertarianism is supposed to benefit, and exactly whom the current statist climate is benefitting.

Paul's sort of rural, populist libertarian thinks that the current statism benefits entrenched corporate interests, including the banks.

Urbane, elitist libertarians think that corporations and the upper class are actually the victims of a statist regime that intrudes upon their liberty.

The two sides can't stop arguing about it, because of what you could call the Wesley Mouch paradox - both sides are right at the same time, and so each cannot see why the other does not see that they are right.

Jennifer | January 10, 2008, 10:08am | #

people as cosmopolitan as Nick Gillespie and Matt Welch should be able to detect something awry in Paul's populist appeals

What a magnificently diplomatic way of saying "Libertarians are snooty snobs who should know better than to trust a politician who's popular with the great unwashed."

Thing is, when cosmopolites like Gillespie and Welch drink their sophisticated adult beverages that Little People like me can't afford, their extended little pinkies blind them to the populist masses their peripheral vision would otherwise detect. Or something like that. Jesus, this would make sense if I were drunk.

Episiarch | January 10, 2008, 10:08am | #

Postrel's comments strike me as part and parcel of a rush to claim the moral high ground.

OH NOES SOMEBODY COULD HITZ ME WITH "RACIST SUPPORTERZ"

Certain "cosmopolitan" types are terrified of being tagged certain ways, and will scramble for rhetorical cover at the merest threat of it. I previously lamented that anyone who had pushed Paul now would have to deal with smug recriminations from lefties and righties about that.

People like Postrel would rather throw this whole movement to the wolves than have to deal with that amongst their oh-so-tolerant "cosmopolitan" circles. Unsurprising; they are, after all, Beltway libertarians. It's a corrupting atmosphere.

Martin | January 10, 2008, 10:08am | #

'Because no one could possibly be hip, urbane, and at home in at atmosphere of cultural diversity and in favor of getting rid of a genocidal psychopath like Saddam Hussein as the first step in draining the toxic swamp that is the Middle East.'

How is unleashing a war that has killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, displaced several million of them, destroyed the Iraqi Christian community, strengthened Iran, and wasted over half a trillion dollars 'hip and urbane'?

Episiarch | January 10, 2008, 10:11am | #

Bill Clinton and George Bush applaud and expand a drug war that imprisons two billion non-violent blacks adn look the otehr way at CIA coke trafficking and they are compassionate people.

Wow, Gabe, that's a lot of people in jail.

joe | January 10, 2008, 10:12am | #

But something like this should not be just mentioned once.

Ever see Reason bring up Robert Byrd without mentioning that he was a Klansman back before he wasn't?

Ever see Reason mention Al Sharpton without a link to his nasy past?

Reason writers seem to find it incredibly important to tell us that John McCain was involved with the Keating Five.

I think you're onto something.

The other double standard is found in the phrase "of the earnestness that takes politics seriously." Ha ha, look at all the liberals and conseratives who actually get excited about politicians as if they are people to be admired, just because they like their political philosophy. What a bunch of easily-manipulated tools. Why must they be slaves to their partisan blinders?

And then, suddenly, the people who spent all those years leaning against the wall, blowing out a stream of smoke, and saying, "It's all just bullshit, man" turn into ZOMG!!! fanbois.

I think there's a lot of lessons in this episode, and the very real, not imaginary link between the libertarian movement and the nastier precincts of the right is one of them. Realizing that adhering to libertarianism isn't a vaccine against partisan blinders is an important one, too.

Fluffy | January 10, 2008, 10:12am | #

What a magnificently diplomatic way of saying "Libertarians are snooty snobs who should know better than to trust a politician who's popular with the great unwashed."

I think the more charitable interpretation would be that some libertarians are wary of populist appeals, because populism is so often the weapon deployed against libertarianism.

Episiarch | January 10, 2008, 10:13am | #

Thing is, when cosmopolites like Gillespie and Welch drink their sophisticated adult beverages that Little People like me can't afford, their extended little pinkies blind them to the populist masses their peripheral vision would otherwise detect. Or something like that. Jesus, this would make sense if I were drunk.

What you have been missing is that Welch, who you don't normally hear, actually talks just like Thurston Howell III from Gilligan's Island. Nick used to but conceals it in interviews.

Dodsworth | January 10, 2008, 10:13am | #

Dan Koffler:

You are quite worried about conspiracy mongering (hardly a federal crime). Fair enough. Are you equally worried about Rudy's crazy theory that a few thousand outcasts will establish a "World Caliphate" if we don't support him? That is crazier and more conspiratorial than anything said in the newsletters.

BTW, when do you intend to denounce your guy Rudy for PUBLICLY EMBRACING support from Pat Robertson, a man who still says Americans were to blame for 911?

joe | January 10, 2008, 10:14am | #

I take responsibility for the content of those newsletters.

I take moral responsnibility for the content of those newsletters.

Does the word "moral" in the second sentence mean anything? It seems to me that it is there to minimize the responsibility, as if he's suggesting that his responsibility is limited to some areas, and implicitly suggesting that there are other types of responsibility he does not take.

Episiarch | January 10, 2008, 10:16am | #

And then, suddenly, the people who spent all those years leaning against the wall, blowing out a stream of smoke, and saying, "It's all just bullshit, man" turn into ZOMG!!! fanbois.

joe with the ZING

Lamar | January 10, 2008, 10:16am | #

Paul's campaign, to me, has always been more about ideas than the man. I'm not too concerned about Paul's past because he is more of a protest vote than a viable candidate. I think its important to support the message, hopefully the GOP or DEMs will listen. Somehow, if the message of libertarian dissatisfaction gets through to one of the parties, I suspect the message heard won't have anything to do with racist pamphlets.

joe | January 10, 2008, 10:16am | #

What a magnificently diplomatic way of saying "Libertarians are snooty snobs who should know better than to trust a politician who's popular with the great unwashed."

Ron Paul's popular?

Fluffy | January 10, 2008, 10:20am | #

I have to agree with Dodsworth.

What's the big whoop about "conspiracy-mongering"?

I think people who believe that the Moon Landing was faked or that the government was behing 9/11 are stupid, but not immoral. But there is this hysteria about "truthers" out there in the right wing blogosphere that seems a bit overblown to me.

The only reason I can see for the hatred - absolute hatred - out there for the frankly pathetic truther community is that there are people who want 9/11 to be the moral justification for an ongoing series of anti-Muslim atrocities, and anyone who doubts that 9/11 was the opening round of a 1000 year Caliphate war is undermining that marketing message.

Since I don't really care about the ability of Bushites to market their wars, truthers don't really agitate me that much. They're no more harmless than the huge number of dumbasses out there who think that Jesus personally intervenes to decide the outcome of their high school football games.

martin (the lowercase one) | January 10, 2008, 10:22am | #

Ron Paul, turned on my red light some time ago. Some of his exclamations were just a bit too weird and off the wall. Take the paper money thing, for example. Conflating it with tyranny? Give me a break! The guy must know what true tyranny is and this ain't it.
Nonetheless, I was willing to live with his strangeness, given the alternatives.
But this newsletter stuff is over the edge. Unexcusable. Whether he wrote that drivel himself or not. His name is on it. He's responsible. And he wouldn't even let the buck stop here. He's out and rightly so.
So David, you knew about it and didn't see fit to inform us? I disagree with you, it is important. The movement, as you call it, is now suffering as a result of putting trust in a profoundly flawed character.
Dammit, isn't there any way to break the statist crowd before they self-destruct with the attendant long-lasting damage?
It will have to be done the long way, by the "march through the institutions", to borrow a phrase, anf nothing but the phrase, from socialist revolutionaries. If we can just get rid of the fruit-cakes giving libertarians a bad name!

Michael McDonnough | January 10, 2008, 10:25am | #

There is not a good man or woman in political life today that is in a position to make this run as Paul is. I say it again if you have a better candidate that will bring this nation back towards liberty and freedom more than Paul will then trot him or her out here. I have not seen anyone with the track record or sticking to their guns for the cause of freedom more than this man Paul.

I have also not seen a man or woman with substance that is willing to speak truth to power that does not then get run down like a dog by the press and the paid liars for the establishment who call themselves pundits. It happens every time. If you can not be bought or bowed you get blasted every time. People should get a thicker skin and soldier on in my opinion. Use your brain and see you are getting hustled by the establishments hustlers.

Gene Trosper | January 10, 2008, 10:26am | #

I was never impressed by Virginia Postrel. I preferred Reason during Bob Poole's tenure and after Postrel left. This whole "cosmopolitan" obsession is frankly getting to be stupid.

Gene Trosper | January 10, 2008, 10:28am | #

Oh yes: Weigel did NOT give Paul a pass. The reports were rather fair.

Jennifer | January 10, 2008, 10:30am | #

Oooh, look at me, everybody! I'm Matt Welch! I'm cosmopolitan and sophisticated! My wife is FRENCH! I own a beret! If you don't support Ron Paul, I suggest you read the Constitution before you embarrass yourself further.

Wild, irresponsible observations from an outsider | January 10, 2008, 10:30am | #

A cosmopolitan libertarian is libertarian out of selfishness. "Nobody is going to tell me what to do, dammit!"

Ron Paul's [campaign] libertarianism is more pragmatic. He thinks it will really create a more smoothly running society. There are also behaviors Ron Paul doesn't approve of. He just isn't in the business of using force to make anyone stop doing it unless it harms another.

To a cosmopolitan libertarian, it's all cool. Just do your thing. I won't pass judgement.

BakedPenguin | January 10, 2008, 10:31am | #

Ron Paul's popular?
With all those smoking punks leaning against the wall, anyway...

Fluffy - it's not just high schoolers.

highnumber | January 10, 2008, 10:31am | #

Therefore it seemed fairly clear to me that the term "Bolshevik" was not merely a hyperbolic rhetorical point, but another datum of paranoid conspiracy-mongering. In context, remarks about secretive one-worldist meetings are not benign.

Conspiracy paranoia about conspiracy paranoia.

SRS | January 10, 2008, 10:34am | #

"This stuff was on Wikipedia for shits sake if you didn't know about it your an idiot"

You should consult Wikipedia on grammar and punctuation.

Reinmoose | January 10, 2008, 10:36am | #

SRS -
Hear, hear!

your an idiot

One of my all-time favorite internet phrases.

guy in the back row | January 10, 2008, 10:36am | #

Weigel's just a shill for Big Paul?

emac | January 10, 2008, 10:36am | #

You're right, David. This IS getting ridiculous. Where are we to find a perfect candidate with a perfect past? Ron Paul is about as close as it will ever get. And when you take on the status quo like he has, they will do whatever it takes to discredit you.

Postrel has always hated the Mises crowd, so she attacks Paul to get back at them. What is being achieved by this?

I have met right-wingers who had never even considered the possibility of bringing our troops home until they heard Paul argue for it in the debates. I have met A LOT of teenagers and college kids who have had their entire political views shaped by the Paul campaign. Think of what this will mean for the future.

If you care about liberty, you must recognize this campaign has been the greatest event on the history of libertarianism, whether you like Paul or not. But I suppose if all you care about is writing blurbs on being "cosmopolitan" and "dynamist", then none of it ever mattered in the first place.

svf | January 10, 2008, 10:36am | #

I find it instructive and curious that no major media outlet has picked up on these "bombshell revelations" about Ron Paul yet. Not AP. Not Reuters. ABC, CBS, NBC -- nothin'. Not even the Ron Paul-hating FOX NEWS network has mentioned it, as far as I can tell.

Other than those of us lost souls scouring the blogosphere 24-7 for Ron Paul stuff and the small and unsympathetic readership of The New Republic, nobody is hearing about this story.

Perhaps the "MSM" has higher standards of reporting than "TNR." Perhaps it's just not that "newsworthy." Perhaps they see it for what it is : "Old News".

In any case, three days later Kirchick's hit piece simply does not have legs. Put a fork in it. Move on.

Brendan Perez | January 10, 2008, 10:37am | #

Has Ron Paul actually done anything to implement policy that furthers the racist views supposedly expressed in his newsletters?

joe | January 10, 2008, 10:41am | #

"Your an idiot" is the Platonic ideal of joez law of teh internetz.

Peter | January 10, 2008, 10:42am | #

To SRS
You got me their.
;-)

joe | January 10, 2008, 10:43am | #

svf,

This story is getting exactly the same amount of attention from the mainstream media as every other element of the Paul campaign.

A brief, highly critical mention on Fox Nooz, and that's it.

RM | January 10, 2008, 10:43am | #

The truth is irrelevant. The intent is to sway the vote. All a detractor has to do is scream 'racist' long enough and people will believe.

Ali | January 10, 2008, 10:44am | #

I find it instructive and curious that no major media outlet has picked up on these "bombshell revelations" about Ron Paul yet. Not AP. Not Reuters. ABC, CBS, NBC -- nothin'. Not even the Ron Paul-hating FOX NEWS network has mentioned it, as far as I can tell.

Wait until the debates tonight. Remember when they used to put him in a corner and asked wacky wacky questions? I hope he will be ready to answer questions on racism. This debate could potentially be the nail in the coffin of the campaign --depending on how nice Faux wants to be. I do not expect them to be nice.

joe | January 10, 2008, 10:44am | #

That's it exactly, RM. Right now, in Rudy Guiliani's headquarters, a senior strategist is saying, "Screw McCain, what are we going to do about Ron Paul?"

Bingo | January 10, 2008, 10:45am | #

joe:

I'm a fan of "your retarted" [sic]

joe | January 10, 2008, 10:46am | #

Oh yeah, Ali. Fox is going to get payback tonight for the dustup in New Hampshire. Knifing their enemies is what they are there for.

joe | January 10, 2008, 10:47am | #

Oh, Bingo. Don't make me choose. They're like my children, and I love each one in their own special way.

Adam | January 10, 2008, 10:51am | #

In any case, the Paul pile-on is starting to get ridiculous.

Er, no. It isn't. I'm not particularly a Paul-basher, but it is sort of pathetic to see how quickly the apologists here have adopted a tone of, "Look, we all knew about this stuff all along. And we took our medicine and made serious statements about how disappointed we all are, so now stop being so shrill about the whole thing."

Quit your whining.

Reinmoose | January 10, 2008, 10:56am | #

I think
your an idiot
your stupid
and
your retarded
all should fit in the same category

Shane | January 10, 2008, 10:56am | #

the racist views supposedly expressed in his newsletters?

Belive me, there were racist views expressed in the newsletter. Your level of denial is astonishing.

DavidS | January 10, 2008, 10:58am | #

Isn't Postrel's post partly driven by her differences on issues like trade (she seems to support the WTO; Paul would abolish it); finance (she's hardly a supporter of the gold standard); immigration (she's pro, he's comes across as usually anti); evolution (he's pretty lukewarm, she's practically a new species) etc?

These are real differences it seems to me...

Fluffy | January 10, 2008, 10:59am | #

Please, please, please let Fox attempt to use this story to humiliate Paul. Please, please let it happen, High School Football Baby Jesus, please grant my wish.

When Fox attacks Paul it builds him up, because 1) they're inept and 2) they're so loathsome that the argument is polluted the moment it passes Chris Wallace's lips. If Fox chooses to address this issue at all, they will almost certainly take it too far and do so in an unfair way, which would enable Paul to crawl out from under this disaster rhetorically.

If Paul has to argue this thing on TV, it would be far, far better for his opponent to be the dirtbags at Fox than someone with actual credibility.

jimmy smith | January 10, 2008, 11:00am | #

Shane Brady's description of Ron Paul at 10:01 is the same one my kids use on me. Wait a damned minute !! I represent that remark !! Just 'cause Ron and I are the same age and.....

Fluffy | January 10, 2008, 11:03am | #

it is sort of pathetic to see how quickly the apologists here have adopted a tone of, "Look, we all knew about this stuff all along. And we took our medicine and made serious statements about how disappointed we all are, so now stop being so shrill about the whole thing."

I heartily agree that it is unfair and wrong that our hummingbird media society develops amnesia about scandals within seconds of hearing about them.

I propose that we resurrect all scandals, working backwards from now through the time of their occurence. That means that we should start with the Bush administration's contempt of Congressional subpoenas, move on to the parade of perjury Justice Department officials presented the Congress with last year, then move on to the billions unaccounted for in Iraq and Pakistan, then move on to the whitewashing of Abu Ghraib, etc. etc. etc. Don't worry, we'll work our way back to Ron Paul Survival Report newsletters from 1992 eventually.

Jennifer | January 10, 2008, 11:05am | #

Considering how many modern government evils are inflicted by people who really think they're helping those whom they make suffer, I actually might vote for Paul even if he were an unabashed racist, because he'd still be better for all Americans--including minorities--than the non-racist Nanny Stater alternatives.

Think of this: the huge sentencing disparities between crack and powder cocaine mostly hurt minorities, right? The laws resulted in lots of imprisoned black people and shattered black families: a black guy goes to jail for 20 years for possessing X amount of cocaine, while a white guy with the same amount in powder form gets a slap on the wrist.

And yet, these powder-vs.-crack laws were NOT passed by racist white legislators seeking to destroy black communities; they were pushed through by black community leaders filled with a drug warrior's confidence that imprisoning drug users is a kind and compassionate and helpful thing to do.

So now let's say you're a black American looking to vote for the candidate who will do the least harm to the black community. You have two choices. Who should you vote for: the candidate who says "I love black people, which is why I am going to continue imprisoning any of them foolish enough to use unhealthy drugs," or "I hate black people, so I'm going to make drugs legal and I damn well hope they all overdose and die?"

I'd pick the racist, because I know--even if he doesn't--that legalizing drugs won't result in mass overdoses, but WILL go a long way toward ending the law-enforcement corruption that has been shattering the black community.

Shane | January 10, 2008, 11:05am | #

Fluffy- shouldn't everyone be held accountable for their action and their words, regardless of the actions and words of more terrible people?

Sam Grove | January 10, 2008, 11:06am | #

Tempest in a Teapot. Teapot being the formal aspects of the libertarian movement.

This all helps me reaffirm my acquired view that there will be no political solution.

Libertarians (big L) are too damn political...compromising and contentious, to bring actual liberty into the world.

The dirt bomb thrown by TNR has had its desired effect.

So many reactionaries.

Explains why I lost interest in the LP. So many struggling so hard to prove that THEY have the solution. "Dammit, if only I were in charge."

Like a bunch of fucking Marxists, always self limiting by their factionalism.

Too smart to see how ineffectual they actually are.

I challenge anyone on adherence to libertarian philosophical purity, but I think Ron Paul, with all his baggage and kookiness, is much preferable to many of you.

A Giuliani supporter took a shot at the RP campaign and you all responded perfectly, predictably, as he hoped.

pause

Here's what you do. If you supported Ron Paul, remember why. If that still applies, then stick with it.

If you didn't support Ron Paul, state why, then go about your own business.

If you've decided that you can't handle the heat, shut up and get out of the kitchen. Your moaning and groaning are worth zero.

creech | January 10, 2008, 11:06am | #

A local GOP bigwig told me they are really concerned that RP will run third party and siphon off 5% of the vote and "spoil it" for whomever is the GOP candidate. So what should the GOP do? Attack Paul with these revelations and piss him off enough to go independent? Or stfu and let his campaign stumble to its conclusion after Super Tuesday?
What would Karl Rove do?

joe | January 10, 2008, 11:08am | #

If we're considering effects vs. intentions, it might be worth remembering that President Ron Paul's Drug War Elimination Bill would lose 430-5 in the House and 99-1 in the Senate on its best day.

Reinmoose,

I think your being rediculous.

stephen the goldberger | January 10, 2008, 11:08am | #

Virginia should come off it. The Ron Paul story was/is a critical story involving libertarianism. Reason covered it fairly, as they had to. For her to be this condescending is ridiculous.

Ron Paul did much for the cause of libertarianism, much more than Virginia Postrel has done (even though i do respect her work greatly) whether she wants to admit it or not.

P Brooks | January 10, 2008, 11:13am | #

It is interesting to see the full-on denial from libertarians about just how odious Ron Paul is.

Ron Paul is by definition odious, because he is a Congressman; you don't get elected to Congress by accident. It requires pandering, lying, coded messages to various fringe constituencies, and making promises which you are neither able nor willing to keep. And it requires convincing strangers to give you money, based on an orgy of winking and nudging regarding what they can expect in return.

Happy now?

And Ron Paul, in all his horrific odiousness, is still, in my opinion, the least odious contestant in the Presidential sweepstakes.

Sam Grove | January 10, 2008, 11:15am | #

And any so-called 'libertarian' who bought into the neo-con rationale and fabrications for the invasion of Iraq and justification of preemptive war has no credibility with me.

I certainly won't hold them up to my friends and associates as examples of libertarians.

And they are worried about Ron Paul's baggage tainting libertarian philosophy?

Fluffy | January 10, 2008, 11:15am | #

Fluffy- shouldn't everyone be held accountable for their action and their words, regardless of the actions and words of more terrible people?

Yes.

I was merely snarkily saying that since the media and public forget all about the scandals I want them to remember just because "it's old news", then I am not going to get all bent out of shape if the Reason editors decide that this story is "old news", too.

If we're considering effects vs. intentions, it might be worth remembering that President Ron Paul's Drug War Elimination Bill would lose 430-5 in the House and 99-1 in the Senate on its best day.

True. But liberal use of the pardon power at the federal level would be a significant blow to the enforcement regime at all levels. The states can't manage an anti-contraband system all on their own, and if the President keeps springing nonviolent drug offenders from federal jails, the pastiche of enforcement is badly eroded.

Also, just having someone drag the leash of the Justice Department away from abusing the states when they try to liberalize their own drug regimes would accomplish a world of good.

If Paul was President, two or three states would probably pretty radically decriminalize at least marijuana, both because the JD wouldn't stop them, and because without the threat of federal incarceration preventing interstate transport of the stuff is just about impossible anyway.

Reinmoose | January 10, 2008, 11:17am | #

I think your being rediculous.

well, you are to!

Sam Grove | January 10, 2008, 11:17am | #

Anyone willing to predict there won't be a democrat in the White House this time next year?

Cab | January 10, 2008, 11:19am | #

I don't have time to read all of the comments, so I may be repeating the sentiment, but, the answer is "no, you didn't give Paul a pass." In fact, this was the only place I read anything about the Ron Paul newsletters and I tempered my support for Paul accordingly. Thanks Weigel.

Ali | January 10, 2008, 11:21am | #

Jennifer-

Think of this: the huge sentencing disparities between crack and powder cocaine mostly hurt minorities, right? The laws resulted in lots of imprisoned black people and shattered black families: a black guy goes to jail for 20 years for possessing X amount of cocaine, while a white guy with the same amount in powder form gets a slap on the wrist.

Walter Block tried to make that point in New Orleans, and watch how his ideas were received.

Jennifer | January 10, 2008, 11:23am | #

If we're considering effects vs. intentions, it might be worth remembering that President Ron Paul's Drug War Elimination Bill would lose 430-5 in the House and 99-1 in the Senate on its best day.

So we may as well vote for someone who supports the drug war, is what you're saying? Okay, and we may as well also vote for a candidate who says we will never, ever leave Iraq, because we're still there despite all the Democrats who got themselves elected on a "we'll leave Iraq" platform.

Vote a straight Republican ticket, y'all; Joe's logic shows there's no point doing any different, because the status quo WILL NOT change.

Reinmoose | January 10, 2008, 11:24am | #

But Jennifer!
Don't you understand?!
If a poor but working single-mother black woman is taking her children to government-subsidized daycare and there's a drug dealer on the street who intimidates her into taking drugs, or convinces her it will make her feel better, and she gets addicted, that's bad! She'll spend all of her money on drugs and her children will have to be put in foster-care, and they'll grow up to be the same way!

Don't you care about the poor working single-mother black women!?

(this is actually how it was portrayed to me amongst some of my liberal friends)

dpotts | January 10, 2008, 11:25am | #

Here's what you do. If you supported Ron Paul, remember why. If that still applies, then stick with it.

I supported Paul, donated money to a campaign for the first time in my life, etc. - and I still feel the same about the core of the message. I'll probably still end up voting for him too, but not without the same mistrust and contempt I have for anyone else in the field. And it's not whining - it's an important discussion to have if you actually give a shit about what liberty means and how it's best represented and implemented. It doesn't have as much to do with a tainting of the philosophy as it does with tainting the future of any "movement" organized around it. Young people have become interested and excited about politics again... it's not much fun thinking about how many of them will potentially be alienated, as unfair as that might or might not be.

Ken Shultz | January 10, 2008, 11:30am | #

"The excitable Dan Koffler compiles some that wouldn't sound out of place, frankly, in a conservative blog or in National Review. For example:

Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country.

This is something Herman Cain says once or twice every hour.

The Earth Summit is the creepiest meeting of politicos since the first gathering of Bolsheviks. Officially known as the UN Conference for Environment and Development, it will be held in Brazil in June; bad guys from all over the globe will attend."


I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees a difference between suggesting that black people are all alike and that green people are all alike.

"Libertarians have known for a while about Paul's more right-wing flashes."

Is that "[All] Libertarians.."? "[Some] libertarians..."? "Libertarians [from the eighties...]"?

I've been a Libertarian since the eighties, and I didn't know about it.

P.S. Why would anybody pay attention to the election in May?

ColbyCo | January 10, 2008, 11:32am | #

What a luxury it must be to spend your time considering what constitutes cosmopolitanism and who qualifies and who doesn't. Ron Paul however is the one who sticks his neck out to tell hostile audiences things they don't want to hear. Postrel once again plays the role of Court libertarian. Yawn.

Bruce | January 10, 2008, 11:45am | #

Frankly, cosmopolites, I have been bothered for a long time by Reason’s general disinclination to examine Paul’s close and continuing links with some of our nation’s nuttiest. I share a hometown with Alex Jones, as it happens, and listen to conspiro-radio quite a lot for its horror/amusement value. Either Paul or his son appear on Alex Jones’ radio show every freaking week! They’re regulars! And Alex is a man who not only believes that 9/11 was an inside job, he also believes that it was part of a millennia-old pagan conspiracy that plans to exterminate 80 percent of the human race Real Soon Now. And that there are giant holding pens under the Denver airport for dissidents. And that the nation’s social workers are part of a massive conspiracy that sell thousands of American children to the Saudis as sex slaves, every year. And that… but you get the idea. He is, in short, a fucking loon, and he makes no attempt to hide his unique theories—he pounds them over and over, every day! If Paul is unaware of the World of Alex Jones, he is the single most incurious man who ever lived.

And it’s not just Alex Jones. Paul is the darling of the entire freakshow world. Just yesterday, Mark Koernke (who just yesterday informed us, once again, that 9/11 was an Israeli job) loves Paul and boosts him. As does Badnarik, who (also yesterday) had a fellow on who explained, as Badnarik lapped it up, that the consulting firm KPMG pulled 9/11 as part of an insurance fraud scam.

Either Paul endorses this kind of crap or he is monumentally cynical. Either way, he’s lending legitimacy to some very ugly thinking.

David | January 10, 2008, 11:46am | #

No one's yet mentioned the significance of this:

A linked article from Virginia Postel's blog says this about an earlier questioning of Ron Paul about the newsletters:

"In one issue of the Ron Paul Survival Report, which he had published since 1985, he called former U.S. representative Barbara Jordan a "fraud" and a "half-educated victimologist." In another issue, he cited reports that 85 percent of all black men in Washington, D.C., are arrested at some point: "Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the 'criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." And under the headline "Terrorist Update," he wrote: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time." He denied any racist intent. What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.

When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, "I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady." Paul says that item ended up there because "we wanted to do something on affirmative action, and it ended up in the newsletter and became personalized. I never personalize anything." (my emphasis)

http://www.texasmonthly.com/2001-10-01/feature7-2.php

David | January 10, 2008, 11:48am | #

His first response is to own and defend comments from the newletters.

His second response is to deny that he said them.

Rick Barton | January 10, 2008, 11:54am | #

Dr Paul's vision is to allow capitalism to spread us, our products, and our ideas all over the globe making friends everywhere. That sounds pretty cosmo to me.

Pig Mannix | January 10, 2008, 11:55am | #

Plus, most normal people haven't even started paying attention yet.

Actually, most normal people are forgetting it already. Do a search on Ron Paul in Google news, and what little attention it got is already starting to drop off the results page. The top story returned is a new article in the NYT, and it doesn't even mention the matter.

In fact, virtually the only coverage it's getting is from - guess where? those "cosmopolitan libertarian" sites like - uh, help me out here....

Shane | January 10, 2008, 11:57am | #


In fact, virtually the only coverage it's getting is from - guess where? those "cosmopolitan libertarian" sites like - uh, help me out here....


Oh, like you got away with it and we should all just STFU?

Ali | January 10, 2008, 12:02pm | #

Pig Manix- Wait until the debate tonight. It could be amusing (and sad). I hope he'll be prepared.

Edward | January 10, 2008, 12:02pm | #

The real flaw in Weigel's argument is implication that the racist shit has come out because Ron Paul was making waves. Coming fifth twice and losing in Wyoming doesn't even constitute a splash. The mainstream press has hardly commented on the racist newsletter scandal. The kooky old fart is such a zero that nobody even gives a fuck if he's a crypto Nazi.

Pig Mannix | January 10, 2008, 12:03pm | #

Oh, like you got away with it and we should all just STFU?

What "got away with it"? As has been pointed out numerous times, this information has been out in public for years. Believe it or not, the bottom line just might be that not much of anyone else really gives a shit.

But if you want to STFU, I don't think much of anybody is gonna complain...

Adolf | January 10, 2008, 12:07pm | #

David Duke: What Ron Paul Must Do to Win

The first two Republican delegate contests are over and in spite of an unfair playing field created by the political and media establishment, Ron Paul’s vote has been very disappointing. After all, as he himself has pointed out, no one, no Republican or even Democrat candidate has raised more money in the last quarter. Even more tellingly, Ron Paul’s fund raising has been similar to my own major political races in that he had many more contributors than the other candidates, but like me, not as many big ones. Yet, his campaign has not nearly generated the much higher percentage of votes I received in my major races. More contributors generally mean more grass roots support and an army of committed volunteers. Yet, all of Ron Paul’s support has resulted in far fewer votes for Congressman Paul than what one would expect.

Remember, that in Louisiana, outspent 50 to 1 in political advertising, and with a media establishment pulling out all stops to paint me as irredeemably evil, somewhere between public perceptions of Attila the Hun and Adolf Hitler, and after I endured the most vicious media attack campaign in American history, I still received over 60 percent of the White vote in elections for Louisiana’s two highest elected offices, Governor and Senator. Although it might surprise many reading this, even before I began my political rise in Louisiana, I actually won the New Hampshire primary for Vice-President of the United States with over 65 percent of the vote. Here is a direct quote the January 8, 2008 Toronto Globe and Mail on my successful electoral foray into the far northern state of New Hampshire:

More here: http://www.davidduke.com/

Pig Mannix | January 10, 2008, 12:08pm | #

Pig Manix- Wait until the debate tonight. It could be amusing (and sad). I hope he'll be prepared.

I don't think there will be anything to see. I think one of the reasons the MSM is letting this slide is that they've dredged this up many times before, and got burned on it every time. I really don't think much of anyone is in a get yet another pie in the face.

See here...

hagbard | January 10, 2008, 12:08pm | #

I'd take nutty Ron Paul over warhawk Virginia Postrel any day.

Pig Mannix | January 10, 2008, 12:09pm | #

s/in a get/interested in getting/

Oy!

dhex | January 10, 2008, 12:09pm | #

i'll repost this:

cos·mo·pol·i·tan /ˌkɒzməˈpɒlɪtn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[koz-muh-pol-i-tn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. free from local, provincial, or national ideas, prejudices, or attachments; at home all over the world.
2. of or characteristic of a cosmopolite.
3. belonging to all the world; not limited to just one part of the world.
4. Botany, Zoology. widely distributed over the globe.
–noun
5. a person who is free from local, provincial, or national bias or attachment; citizen of the world; cosmopolite.


here's the deal - you can't be in favor of closed borders and be cosmopolitan. i think postrel was actually using this term correctly, rather than derisively. populism and world comfort exist on opposite ends of the worldview spectrum, after all.

postrel's core point is pretty obvious, and i'm a bit surprised myself that more people weren't playing attention to this. i got a lot of rather hostile questions from folks about it back whenever zmag or some other left wing site had run an article on it earlier this year.

ed | January 10, 2008, 12:15pm | #

Ron Paul did much for the cause of libertarianism

Like what? Aside from telling the True Believers here what they already knew, how has he expanded the principles (such as they are) of libertarianism to mainstream (yes, stupid) America? Seems to me his rhetoric has fallen mostly on deaf (if not dumb) ears.

crimethink | January 10, 2008, 12:20pm | #

The kooky old fart is such a zero that nobody even gives a fuck if he's a crypto Nazi.

I know of one person who seems to care A LOT.

crimethink | January 10, 2008, 12:21pm | #

So, did Virginia threaten to cancel her subscription? Cause, I'm thirsty. ;-)

Patrick O'Connor | January 10, 2008, 12:21pm | #

The way I have it modeled, mostly for rhetoric, is that there are two major camps to the libertarian rank and file. The "navel gazers", and the "assholes who don't want to pay their taxes".

As a navel-gazer, Virginia Postrel is more than a little alarmed at the way her assholes-who-don't-want-to-pay-their-taxes brethren have reacted to Ron Paul's GOP candidacy.

From where I sit, navel-gazer talking points break down to:

Paul's not pure enough for us. Liberty would be better served by going back to our traditional spot, deep on the sidelines, to conduct a more thorough examination of our navels rather than to carry water for such an impure libertarian candidate (with an outside shot at winning). Instead, let's carry water for the New Republic's faulty broadside made up entirely of old news, repackaged with fresh, albeit faux, outrage.

As an asshole who doesn't want to pay his taxes, I'm not buying it. Ron Paul may not be libertarian Jesus, but he's close enough for this anarcho capitalist to come in from the cold for an election cycle.

Gosh, I hope the navel gazers'll still talk to me when this whole optimism thing blows over.

Gene | January 10, 2008, 12:23pm | #

I still don't know why Reason allows Eric Dondero to post here. He's now a profession mud-raker for Giuliani following his own political failure - not a Republican or a Libertarian. He's a Trotskyite in the same vein of all the "GOP front-runners".

crimethink | January 10, 2008, 12:23pm | #

ed,

He got over 10% of the vote in a Republican primary election. The LP would be creaming in their collective pants if they ever got more than 2% of the vote in a state.

So, yes, it seems he has expanded the shadow of libertarianism.

crimethink | January 10, 2008, 12:26pm | #

Gene,

Well, if they're going to call the magazine Reason, you'd expect them to believe in the power of rational debate to defeat bad ideas, rather than resorting to censorship.

Plus, making fun of the D O N D E R O is one of the few joys I have left in life.

Shane | January 10, 2008, 12:32pm | #

Would they oppose disaster relief? Would they oppose public schools, public parks, homeless shelters, government-funded mental health institutions, etc.? This is libertarianism, folks, and the losers under this world are easily identified.

I think the POV here could be contested, libertarians have tried just opposing this and that based on principal alone, without much luck. Today's libertarians(a generation i'm proud to be a part of) are bit smarter and a bit less selfish in my opinion. It's not a matter of just opposing government schools but also proposing the better alternatives, same with parks and shelters and the like. it's a shift from "i don't want to, the State can't/shouldn't make me" to "we can do it better, faster, cheaper than the State can, here's how and here's why". I think it ridicoulous to just assume that people would starve in a libertarian world, that buys into the concepot that the only reason more people are not starving is because of State interventionism and that's not true, the reason more people are not starving is because of technological progress (such as in agriculture) and a social evolution. It's the paleolibertarianism that keeps us from getting off the ground, always looking back to a golden era that never existed, life was shitty for a lot of people and the State alleviated some of that, but that doesn't mean we couldn't have gone further faster without the state, and that doesn't mean we will not go further and faster without the state now and into the future. free market economics increases prosperity. You want to end poverty don't subsidize it, eliminate it through free market economics and personal altruism. The only thing the paleos represnt is the ugly caricature of libertarianism used by our enemies to undermine liberty. Hell in Las vegas the police tried to stop non-state groups from handing out sandwhiches to homeless people in the park. The State isn't nessecarily what keeps us poor and divided, but it certainly benefits from poverty and divisions. libertarians should be agents of tolerance and altruism and they should continue to try and keep the State from enforcing it's own flawed nature into the realms of social justice and social ills.

Paleolibertariansim is a dead philosophy because it seeks to protect culture not just from the State but from itself and that's a suicidal philosophy.

my opinion anyways.

ed | January 10, 2008, 12:35pm | #

He got over 10% of the vote in a Republican primary election.

Too bad all of America is not like New Hampshire.

Derek | January 10, 2008, 12:35pm | #

"Aside from telling the True Believers here what they already knew, how has he expanded the principles (such as they are) of libertarianism to mainstream (yes, stupid) America? Seems to me his rhetoric has fallen mostly on deaf (if not dumb) ears."

Have you been living under a rock for the last year? Paul has practically MADE those principles mainstream. He's the most popular Republican candidate on youth-orientated sites like Facebook and MySpace, and the man raised $19.5 million the last quarter, for crying out loud.

From The Keystrokes of John Q. Public | January 10, 2008, 12:36pm | #

Some racist newsletters from whenever have nothing to do with Constitutional governing. What anyone things, nomatter how ignorant, has nothing to do with the infringing on our liberties. Lincoln was deeply racist. So was FDR and people worship the ground he couldn't walk on.

*sneers* It's because we have so many damn white people worried about being politically correct!