A.M. Links: New HHS Secretary Confirmed, Putin Skips Out on D-Day Memorial, Stay-at-Home Dads Doubled Since '80s

  • SenRockefeller/FlickrSenRockefeller/FlickrIt's official: Sylvia Mathews Burwell will take over as Health and Human Services Department secretary. The Senate confirmed Burwell Thursday by a vote of 78 to 17. 
  • President Obama joined kings, queens, and prime ministers on Omaha Beach this morning to mark the 70th anniversary of D-Day. Russian President Vladimir Putin skipped the beach memorial, though he is expected at a leaders' luncheon later. 
  • The number of stay-at-home dads has nearly doubled since the late 1980s, according to Pew Research Center. But almost a quarter of these 2 million men said they were home due to unemployment. 
  • A gunman opened fire at Seattle Pacific University yesterday, killing one and injuring two more before he was pepper-sprayed and tackled by a student building monitor. 
  • Canadian police have caught 24-year-old Justin Bourque, the man suspected of traipsing about Moncton, New Brunswick, like Rambo and fatally shooting three cops. 
  • North Korea said Friday that it has detained American tourist Jeffrey Edward Fowle for unspecified actions "contrary to the purpose of tourism." 
  • The world as it ought to be does not exist: University College London bans student Nietzsche Club for "promoting a far-right fascist ideology." 

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  • db||

  • waffles||

    But it feels good to eat greek yogurt, science be damned!

  • Ted S.||

    I've never understood why some food becomes trendyfood, like "Greek" yogurt, or sriracha, or chai before them.

  • Certified Public Asskicker||

    You want to talk about hummus again?

  • Virginian||

    sriracha

    All true libertarians love sriracha.

  • Elizabeth Nolan Brown||

    Shit, this is the litmus test now? I'm a Frank's Red Hot gal myself...

  • ScoobaSteve||

    I have it on good authority that there are no female libertarians. This just proves it.

  • ||

    You're from SW Ohio. Shouldn't you like Crystal hit sauce like the rest of us from there?

  • Steve G||

    Texas Pete, Crystal, Louisiana, and Frank's in acceptability order. Tasasco? Fuck Tabasco.

  • ||

    Move Texas Pete to the end of that list and I'm with you.

    It just doesn't sit as well as the others on a five way at Skyline.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    Put Trappey's Red Devil after Crystal and it's a deal.

    (not from Ohio so you're on your own with the Skyline)

  • ||

    Good rule of thumb for eating out: If a chicken place doesn't have Louisiana, then they probably don't take their fried chicken seriously and it's not worth eating.

    (Texas Pete I rarely see, and I don't even know what Crystal is TBH... oh and Frank's is terrible!)

  • Virginian||

    You're a Reason writer, therefore a fake libertarian.

    Or a cosmotarian. Or something. I'm not sure how that works. Something something cocktail parties something something.

  • alittlesense||

    Do you put that s**t on everything?

  • AlmightyJB||

    I prefer Huy Fongs chili garlic sauce aka liquid heaven

  • ||

    Or German bukkake.

  • BuSab Agent||

    Because it tastes good?

  • MJGreen||

    "Evaporated cane juice" is pretty brilliant.

  • Obamaphone||

    Guys, I'm a little sore today from my recent workout, but let me be clear: I'm getting ripped. You can totally tell in my biceps. Somebody call a vet, because these pythons are sick!

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I initially misread the headline as "A.M. Links: New HHS Secretary Confirmed, Putin Skips Out on Leg Day, Stay-at-Home Dads Doubled Since '80s"

  • Brett L||

    "How much ya bench?"

  • Aloysious||

    I thought you were in France.

  • Drake||

    Some Prep-H might calm the soreness.

  • ||

    Somebody call a vet, because these pythons are sick!

    Ok, I laughed. I hadn't heard this one before.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    North Korea said Friday that it has detained American tourist Jeffrey Edward Fowle for unspecified actions "contrary to the purpose of tourism."

    There are actions in NoK that are for the purpose of tourism?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I would think that technically, anything a tourist wanted to do would be for the purpose of tourism.

  • db||

    In North Korea:

    tourism, n.: The heroic act of visiting the Glorious Homeland for the purpose of spreading the Message of Dear Leader abroad.

  • gaijin||

    How many Norks do we have at Gitmo?

  • alittlesense||

    If we don't have Li'l Kim there, not enough.

  • thom||

    Now Obama has to figure out what he can trade for him. A nuclear missile? Maybe two nuclear missiles?

  • UnCivilServant||

    Russian President Vladimir Putin skipped the beach memorial, though he is expected at a leaders' luncheon later.

    In Berlin, much like the way the war went. The Russians were busy on the other front.

  • Slammer||

    Sabaton- Primo Victoria.

    D-Day, June 6th, 1944. 70th anniversary today. Much respect and honor to all who died that day.

  • Drake||

    Great song - I like the Saving Private Ryan version too.

  • db||

    Honestly, what kind.of.moron would want any high-vis job in the.Obama administration now?

  • gaijin||

    Someone who sees it as a step to a high-paying crony lobbying job in the 'private' sector?

  • Rich||

    This.

  • RBS||

    Pretty much that or learn a bunch of shit a write a tell all when the inevitable bus runs you over.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The Senate confirmed Burwell Thursday by a vote of 78 to 17.

    They were just happy to be rid of the last one.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Catholic, Pro-Life Utopia?

    "In a town in western Ireland, where castle ruins pepper green landscapes, there’s a six-foot stone wall that once surrounded a place called the Home. Between 1925 and 1961, thousands of “fallen women” and their “illegitimate” children passed through the Home, run by the Bon Secours nuns in Tuam.

    Many of the women, after paying a penance of indentured servitude for their out-of-wedlock pregnancy, left the Home for work and lives in other parts of Ireland and beyond. Some of their children were not so fortunate.

    More than five decades after the Home was closed and destroyed — where a housing development and children’s playground now stands — what happened to nearly 800 of those abandoned children has now emerged: Their bodies were piled into a massive septic tank sitting in the back of the structure and forgotten, with neither gravestones nor coffins."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....tid=pm_pop

  • Auric Demonocles||

    According to documents Corless provided the Irish Mail on Sunday, malnutrition and neglect killed many of the children, while others died of measles, convulsions, TB, gastroenteritis and pneumonia. Infant mortality at the Home was staggeringly high.

    “If you look at the records, babies were dying two a week, but I’m still trying to figure out how they could [put the bodies in a septic tank],” Corless said. “Couldn’t they have afforded baby coffins?”

    I suppose that being pro-life technically wouldn't require you to be in favor of any kind of burial practices...

  • ||

    Nearly 800 in 36 years? Wow, that almost rivals the number of kids aborted in Chicago in Q1 of this year.

    By the way, what was their cause of death? Thanks to the Limey scumbag government, the infant and child mortality rate during the earlier part of the Home's operating life was rather high.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    "the infant and child mortality rate during the earlier part of the Home's operating life was rather high."

    It's almost like restricting people's freedom in ways like forcing young, unprepared mothers to have children they do not want or are prepared for might have consequences (foreseen but nor intended of course) deleterious for everyone involved.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    You mean their children might die?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Yeah, I guess you wouldn't see any difference between an unwanted embryo or fetus being aborted before they were ever conscious and a child dying in the horrible conditions described in the article.

  • ||

    A rate of just over 22 a year...when TB, measles and a plethora of other diseases were ravaging the developing world.

    But you call out the Catholic church's pro-life stance as the cause.

    So tell me, Mr. fucking Deduction...is it the Catholic church's pro life stance that caused the 800 or so malnourished babies to die in Mumbai over the past month or so?

    You're an idiot, Bo. A natural-born idiot.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    The Church certainly fostered the stigma on out of wedlock births, and their positions on contraception and abortion, reflected in the law, compounded the problem. The result, which should be foreseeable by anyone not burying their head in apologia, is what you got: ostracized young, unprepared mothers with stigmatized children raised on meager charitable resources. That's a recipe for child misery and death.

  • kinnath||

    Bo, you have turned from annoyance to total non-value-added troll. Go Fuck Yourself, and stop polluting H&R with your bullshit.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Stop your whining.

  • kinnath||

    Truth hurts

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    So that explains your whiney response to my article link?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    It's almost as if there is not a long, solid libertarian argument that goes like this: when you restrict people's freedom to do what they want, even when motivated by good intentions, you often get unintended but foreseeable consequences that might be worse in furthering the original intentions.

    Wait a minute, there is such an argument, and one that Reason has applied to abortion restrictions before. So what explains kinnath's distress to seeing it? Well, conservatives gonna conserve I guess.

  • kinnath||

    Listen dumbfuck. You conveniently ignore the actual history, geography, and theology of western Ireland as well as the fundamental consequences of poverty in the early 20th century to make another another sideways attack against Social Conservatives (which poor Irish Catholics in the 20th century were not).

    So there is no fucking truth in anything you post anymore.

    And I am neither a Catholic nor a conservative. I am merely tired of your non-stop bullshit.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Poor Irish conservatives were not socially conservative?

    Wow.

    And I am not ignoring any of those conditions, I have said over and over that whatever the conditions, in fact especially because of the conditions, restricting access to birth control and other reproductive options has the plainly foreseeable consequence of a great deal of children suffering. It's not like this is some unheard of argument, much less 'trolling.' You've just decided to label 'trolling' whatever gets your partisan panties in a bunch.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Poor Irish Catholics

  • kinnath||

    Poor Irish conservatives were not socially conservative?

    Yes. Your ignorance is breathtaking.

    Catholic doctrine may overlap with social conservatives regarding when and under what circumstances men and women are allowed to fuck. But Catholics have traditionally been strongly liberal.

    And today, many American Catholics simply choose to ignore Catholic doctrine regarding sex, birth control, and abortion (the SoCon issues you are so fixated on). Although some Catholics have started shifting over to conservative politics in general over the last decade or so.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    "Catholic doctrine may overlap with social conservatives regarding when and under what circumstances men and women are allowed to fuck. But Catholics have traditionally been strongly liberal."

    At best what that gets you is Catholics that are socially conservative and economically liberal.

    But more to the point, we are talking about the mores, culture, and most importantly the laws of Catholic Ireland during this time period. Unwed births were stigmatized culturally and legally, and at the same time contraception and abortion were restricted/criminalized. My entire point is that this is a recipe for the kind of misery described in the article. Women with no contraception or access to abortion are going to have sex and many of them will turn into unwed mothers, they and their children will then be stigmatized and in a situation where resources are scarce and times are tough they are going to be the lowest on the totem pole and often live a life of misery. That's foreseeable as a result of these socially conservative attitudes and laws coming together.

  • kinnath||

    Unwed births were stigmatized culturally and legally,

    Throughout most of Europe for most of modern history. So fucking what.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    OK, and when you combine this stigmatization with restrictions on reproductive technologies?

    My point is that what you get is a situation which leads to foreseeable but unintended consequences that undercut the original intentions of the restrictions.

    And, far from trolling, that's one of the most tried and true libertarian arguments going.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Now, are there any groups today that would like to stigmatize unwed births and restrict access to reproductive technologies? Well, yeah.

    And again, far from 'trolling,' one of the more common arguments against those people is the result of that is a lot of unwanted children to unprepared mothers living miserable, and often short, lives.

  • kinnath||

    There is a reason why "bastard" is an insult.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Bo's just point out how much more humane it would have been to murder abort a couple thousand kids a year instead of having 22 a year die of malnutrition.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Well, this is too much, our resident Francis Galton is pro-life!

  • wareagle||

    nice example of presentist thinking.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    What are you getting at?

  • wareagle||

    I'm getting at you applying 2014 American standards to something that happened some time back in Ireland.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    So you don't feel free to judge, say, the actions of the Soviet Union during the same period?

  • wareagle||

    the Soviet Union was actively engaged in the summary execution of presumed enemies of the state or people who did not show the requisite respect in citing Stalin's name or some such. They numbered in the millions, dead as a result of direct govt policy.

    The Ireland situation has more to do with life at the time - abject poverty, disease that today can be treated but back then was fatal, and maybe some bad intent, too. Seems if you're going to judge something or someone, you ought to do it context rather than from the standpoint of today's sensibilities.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Soviet policies, usually involving government restrictions, usually mad bad times for Russians worst. Ditto for Irish policies restricting access to reproductive technology for the Irish.

  • wareagle||

    it's not just Irish, it's Catholics, per se - the church in particular - that opposed contraception. That a story like this has been found repetitively founded in Catholic countries might tell you something, chiefly that other factors may have played into the deaths.

    The Soviets actively killed people; the Catholic church had beliefs that may have contributed to some deaths, but that was not the intent of those policies. And it's not clear what the deaths in this find resulted from.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    I'm not trying to equate the magnitude of the Soviets sins with these here, just noting that we can rightly judge the morality of past events.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    It's better that they all die than half of them live!

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    To repeat: I guess you wouldn't see any difference between an unwanted embryo or fetus being aborted before they were ever conscious and a child dying in the horrible conditions described in the article.

  • ||

    Wait, are you telling me that the English government was forcing Irish women to carry to term?

    Do you know anything about that history? Can you even locate Ireland on a map?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Good grief, what are you getting at, that the British forced the criminalization of abortion, contraception and pushed the social stigma on unwed births and children on the Irish?

  • ||

    No, you moron. I'm saying that the living conditions the British imposed on the Irish at the time had a fuckton more to do with the deaths of these children than the Catholic Church's position on abortion did.

    Or are you just the kind of person that thinks it would have been better if they were killed pre-trip through the birth canal because, you know, it's what all the cool kids would have done at that time.

    Why don't you study the history if the living conditions imposed on those poor people and deduct from that how it might impact infant mortality rates. Well, you could do that or go jump off a bridge. I'm fine either way.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    "Or are you just the kind of person that thinks it would have been better if they were killed pre-trip through the birth canal"

    Yes, because those that are not conscious do not suffer.

    "the living conditions imposed on those poor people"

    And again, the Church fostered criminalization and stigmatization did not contribute to this at all, right? Sheesh.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    You're right, it's completely okay for me to kill you as long as you're asleep or in a coma.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    being unconscious =/= never being conscious

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Sure thing, liar.

    those that are not conscious do not suffer.
  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    You have no idea what a liar is, do you?
    You may want to look it up.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    That would be someone who lies.

    Tell us again that horrible socon. You know the one I mean, that bisexual guy raised by lesbians.

    And tell me again how you didn't just say it's okay to kill someone who isn't conscious.

    Have fun on the block list where you belong.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Yes Auric, because a social conservative could never, ever, point to a bi-sexual man whose fame rests on his criticism of his lesbian parents. Never.

    Now to your other sad pedantic point: I've said several times on this thread that the defining point to me was: "an unwanted embryo or fetus being aborted before they were ever conscious". In one reply I used the more narrow phrase you have now pedantically latched on, and you think that must mean I lied (again, have you looked up what that means yet?). That's classic bad faith arguing you are engaging in.

    "Have fun on the block list where you belong."

    The classic turn of the intellectual coward and blowhard.

  • ||

    Is it a magician or a faerie that waves it's magic wand to impart consciousness on a child as it passes through the birth canal?

    Wait, it's Ireland so probably a Catholic Leprechaun, right Bo?

    The church fostered a respect for life. It never imposed it on anyone. Oh, also abortion was likewise illegal at the time in England, the United States, France, Switzerland, Spain, Germany and every other country that would have been accessible easily from the UK. Those countries, free from the influence of the Catholic Church, would have put the women through the same ordeal yet you don't see the same stories emanating from them. It's almost as if that restriction on abortion had nothing at all to do with those deaths and they could be attributed to something else...like the horrifying living conditions imposed on the Irish by their occupiers and their lack of access to food and medicine, also imposed upon them.

    Open a book, dumbass.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    When someone is angry and emotion like you get so much, so fast, I understand they will gloss over main points of arguments. So, I'll repeat mine here for you:

    "before they were ever conscious"

    Yes sloopy, SPAIN and FRANCE, free from the influence of the Catholic Church...And you want me to open a book? Sheesh.

    "It's almost as if that restriction on abortion had nothing at all to do with those deaths and they could be attributed to something else"

    It is especially in such dire living conditions that denying recourse to contraception and abortion will foreseeably lead to these kinds of outcomes.

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    You guys keep feeding the Bo mill - refrain, join the liberation!

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Again, a troll on a libertarian site is now someone who argues that restrictions have unintended consequences that undermine the original goal of the restrictions.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Bo is inadvertently correct that the mortality rate at that site is likely do to restrictions on liberty.

    He's wrong to say that the restriction was an anti-abortion attitude of the population reflected in its laws. Instead it was restriction imposed by imperialist British policies for the preceding three centuries that had impoverished Ireland.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Again, it is exactly in such dire impoverishment that reproductive control is especially important to prevent suffering.

  • wareagle||

    and when did the Catholic Church have this emphasis on reproductive control?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Are you seriously asking me when the Catholic Church pushed for criminalization of reproductive technologies?

  • wareagle||

    you brought up reproductive control, something that as best I know, the Catholics have never pushed. It was only in very recent history that the church offered any support of contraception. They sure as hell were not doing it back then.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    The Church has condemned reproductive control, i.e., the use of contraception and abortion to control pregnancy and childbirth, for a pretty long time wareagle.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

  • wareagle||

    I didn't say otherwise. You raised birth control as though it would have prevented what was found based on not much more than faith. With 800 bodies and "thousands of women" having passed through the home, the mortality rate is not out of touch with its era.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    The point is that these children demonstrate a common fate of unwanted children.

  • Trouser-Pod||

    Because.....you know which ones are going to "suffer unto death" prior to them gaining consciousness? Because, it would seem that not all the children born there died.

    Is that your angle; that it's better to kill them before the have a chance to suffer, even when their future isn't known? Plus, isn't that pretty much the argument against capital punishment-that it's irreversible, and "What If"?

    And, who, exactly are you mad at? This religious order (who does not seem to have any other scandals, regardless of where they are located)? Irish society back then?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    My 'angle' is just what I have been saying: that especially in the face of extreme poverty, a legal regime which gives women no choice but to have unwanted and unprepared for children is going to result in a great deal of miserable children.

  • wareagle||

    that was in a different country a long time ago. In the US, we have govt policy that subsidizes women having children under pretty much the same circumstances. Oddly enough, those women keep having kids, many of whom grow up in miserable conditions and perpetuate the cycle.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    I think both subsidizing out of wedlock births and restricting access to reproductive choices are bad things.

  • Trouser-Pod||

    But, it wasn't a "legal regime", was it? I didn't realize that the Catholic Church, or, more accurately, "the Bon Secours nuns in Tuam", were the government in Ireland back then.

    I'll grant you that their community helped push the "bad girls" image, but the Inquisition was over by that point, and the Catholic Church doesn't appear to have put guns to their heads telling them they had to follow the Order's rules.

    But what most people here who are arguing with you about, is this cavalier attitude towards killing unborn children because of the possibility of a bad future. I wouldn't argue with you that things were grim for these girls, but that doesn't necessitate killing their unborn offspring.

  • Ivan Pike||

    And, who, exactly are you mad at?

    Socons, always socons.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    This says more about your position: Socons, never socons.

  • Azathoth!!||

    And again, the Church fostered criminalization and stigmatization did not contribute to this at all, right? Sheesh.

    Exactly. What the British were doing was one thing--what the Church was doing was another--and what the Church was doing was largely self-imposed. You didn't HAVe to send your unwed pregnant daughter off.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Interesting late-breaking news from "Between 1925 and 1961"

    Meanwhile, in Social Liberal news from 2014...the son of convicted baby-murdering abortionist Kermit Gosnell was shot breaking into a house.

    The kicker...even this housebreaker at least had enough shame and embarrassment to distance himself from his dad, changing his name.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.1817294

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    "Interesting late-breaking news from "Between 1925 and 1961""

    The find of the bodies is recent.

  • ||

    Hello.

    Feel good, appeal to emotion story of the day. What happens when minimum wage goes up, up, UP!

    http://bit.ly/1hDvgkE

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    Pants'd the link?

  • ||

    Just remove the "u"'s after the "o"'s in his link and it should work fine on the American Internet.

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    But I would need to add more z's and i's to have it work on Swiss internet!

  • ||

  • Jordan||

    You recursed the link, dude.

  • ||

    I fixed it. I read in the newspaper, I'm moving forward because there's no sugar coating my anger, what difference does it make at this point?

  • ||

    Yuk. Messed that up.

    I read in the newspaper, I'm moving forward because there's no sugar coating it, what difference does it make at this point?

  • Raston Bot||

    We'll see if there's a push to outsource those jobs in a few years, or just not backfill.

  • MJGreen||

    Wow, people given a large raise are happy. This proves something!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    President Obama joined kings, queens, and prime ministers on Omaha Beach this morning to mark the 70th anniversary of D-Day.

    Or as Obama sees it, one giant sand trap.

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    *golf clap*

  • Rich||

    *** whispers ***

    Nice.

  • Ivan Pike||

    *stands on chair, claps loudy, shouts*

    Well done sir, well done.

    *sits down*

    golf, ugh.

  • ||

    *stands beside Fist*

    NOONAN!

  • db||

    I don't much care for.golf, but I.really dislike all the.assholes at the tees yelling "GET IN THE HOLE!" every fucking time a player makes a tee shot.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    That's what she said.

    Cue the 1812 Overture.

  • Ivan Pike||

    I don't much care for.golf, but I.really dislike all the.assholes at the tees yelling "GET IN THE HOLE!" every fucking time a player makes a tee shot.

    People actually do that? If I don't like something, I just don't participate in it, if possible.

  • ||

    President Obama joined the other kings, queens, and prime ministers on Omaha Beach this morning to mark the 70th anniversary of D-Day.

    FIFY

  • Aloysious||

    In honor of Warty's "Socialism doesn't work" link from last night, here's some news from Venezuela.

    Success!

    Forward!

  • ||

    That guy in the video Warty linked to was awesome.

    Watching those socialists squirm smugly, scoffing, with arms crossed was truly delicious as it was sickening.

  • Aloysious||

    Yep. It was links like that which successfully sucked me down here into commentland.

    Well, that, and the sick humor.

    And the arguments about food.

  • ||

    Yeah.

    Hey, was that your wife I fucked last night?

  • Aloysious||

    No. It was Epi's mother.

  • gaijin||

    "State oil company Petroleos de Venezuela SA is seeking a loan to pay off $3 billion of debt that matures this year"

    Definition of debt slaves.

  • ||

    Daniel Hannan is amazing to listen to. Even setting aside the fact that he's right about everything, he's just a brilliant rhetorician. It's a shame that the art of public speaking is so completely moribund in America.

  • Jordan||

    Nigel Farage and Daniel Hannan would be a public speaking dream team.

  • ||

    Obama's slogan.

    Forward!

    Obama:"Forward I said! Why won't anyone move forward god dammit!"

  • Bee Tagger||

    The number of stay-at-home dads has nearly doubled since the late 1980s

    I blame Greg Evigan.

  • Agammamon||

    I blame Terri Garr.

  • db||

    +1 Chainsaw

  • Tonio||

    Why thank you, Herr Doktor!

  • ||

    I blame xbox

  • ||

    I blame Mr. Mom.

  • Drax the Destroyer||

    It's hard to cook meth in most workplaces.

  • Brett L||

    The last US soldier executed for desertion.
    Even the deserters were more principled a couple generations ago.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    "University College London bans student Nietzsche Club for "promoting a far-right fascist ideology."

    The link goes to a Burwell story.

    Anyway, what ingratitude! Nietzsche's philosophy helped lay that foundations of the modern world. Not that this is a good thing...

  • Elizabeth Nolan Brown||

    Oh! Fixing now, thank you.

  • Mr Whipple||

    There's no room for diversity of ideas in today's colleges and universities.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    And the banners should realize the Nietzsche was not a fascist, he simply spread a doctrine which killed some of the antibodies protecting Europe from fascism.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Guess the equivalent of the LP club on campus--all five of them--is also doomed, since libertarianism is a "radical far right philosophy."

  • Ted S.||

    The estimable David Thompson linked to the UCL story to skewer the banners.

    Sadly, some asshat apologist for Marxism shows up in the comments.

  • ||

    I just want to say I was the first (according to me) to call the Moncton guy 'Canada's Rambo.'

    Proof. I don't need no stinking proof.

  • UnCivilServant||

    So what old Canukistani warzone is he going to go back to to singlehandedly win?

  • Agammamon||

    The Paris Peace Accords?

  • ||

    Make your jokes, jokety joke masters.

  • UnCivilServant||

    I have to pick on Canada at least once each Links I participate in. Someday I might visit the country I oft malign, but I don't want to deal with US Border patrol on the way back.

  • ||

    Easy pickings because we have a small military.

  • Jordan||

    Isn't Rowsdower Canada's Rambo?

  • db||

    Rowsdower, Rowsdower, bippity-boppity-Bowsdower!

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    It's sad that I actually recognize the reference.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Rowsdower, Rowsdower, send Jimmy right over.

  • Slammer||

    The world as it ought to be does not exist: University College London bans student Nietzsche Club for "promoting a far-right fascist ideology."

    SF'ed the link, Elizabeth

  • Ted S.||

    Canadian police have caught 24-year-old Justin Bourque, the man suspected of traipsing about Moncton, New Brunswick, like Rambo and fatally shooting three cops.

    #MonctonStrong

  • Brett L||

    My argument for requiring that all politicians be armed with swords on the floor of their respective Houses.

    Several people have been injured after Sikh groups brandishing swords clashed at India's Golden Temple as special prayers were held to mark the deadly military offensive there in 1984.

    Reports said the fight at Sikhism's holiest shrine was over who would speak first at the ceremony and that a scuffle broke out over a microphone.
  • Rich||

    Topless feminist stabs wax Putin

    Headline of the day?

  • Aloysious||

    Topless feminist stabs straddles wax Putin

    The headline I want to see.

  • gaijin||

    wax on, whacks off

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    *narrows gaze*

    Mr. Miyagi would like a word with you...

  • kinnath||

    +1

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    But almost a quarter of these 2 million men said they were home due to unemployment.

    Quarter, half... whatever it takes.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    If my hypothetical wife was raking in the dough, I'd be willing to consider staying at home (though it's definitely not my first choice).

  • ||

    Like one of those CEO women on 'Undercover Boss?'

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I have not watched that show, but living off of CEO money sounds pretty reasonable.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    She just better not be "too tired" from work every night.

  • ||

    CEO:"There was a foot-long fiasco at work today, honey. Turns out it's actually..."

    Husband (interrupts. Unzips pants):"The size of my dick? Ta-daa!"

    CEO: Not tonight, baby. I'm...tired."

    Husband (Zips up, walks away. Under his breath): Eat fresh my ass.

  • DontShootMe||

    With that kind of money you can contract that chore out.

  • Spoonman.||

    I'd happily stay home if my wife had better earning potential than I do. But she doesn't, so she does instead. That wasn't our plan when we had the kid, and we in fact had a $500 deposit on a daycare slot, but it's what we felt was best for our daughter as her maternity leave started to run out.

  • Brett L||

    My wife just went back to work. I'd also totally stay home if we could afford it. My wife didn't because she likes interacting with adults she isn't married to on a daily basis. But we have a friend who watches him, so we came out a little ahead on wife working versus staying home for now.

    How is the wee'un? Ours is fat and happy and about to go from scooting to crawling any day now. And my wife dresses him like a hipster.

  • Spoonman.||

    Ours is doing great and gets to what she wants by rolling. I think scooting or crawling is just around the corner.

    My wife managed to work out that she goes into her job once a week (today's that day) and her mother takes care of the baby, so that nicely balances individual, sensitive care with my wife getting to interact with adults. It sounds like you have worked out a similar situation. It's a hard balance to figure out.

  • db||

    President Obama joined kings, queens, and prime ministers on Omaha Beach this morning to mark the 70th anniversary of D-Day. Russian President Vladimir Putin skipped the beach memorial, though he is expected at a leaders' luncheon later.

    Putin was too busy shooting deserters at a press conference.

  • Rich||

    Am I a bad person for LOLing?

  • Brett L||

    The Atlantic discovers 'Victims Can Lie as Much as Other People', are completely unable to see how this relates to due process in rape and sexual assault cases.

    (Not that Nick Kristof doesn't deserve the pummeling he gets.)

  • ||

    Four generations 'incest family' ordered to provide DNA samples to help police unravel decades of sexual abuse

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....z33rcDujgA

  • db||

    Man, that's going to be a twisted case to unravel.

  • gaijin||

    +2 helixes

  • db||

    I wouldn't want to be the court reporter who.has to transcript this.one.

  • Ted S.||

    I'd have guessed the family tree would be straight, not twisted.

  • UnCivilServant||

    Braided, more likely.

  • gimmeasammich||

    +1 Peacock family from the X-Files

  • Trouser-Pod||

  • Ivan Pike||

    North Korea said Friday that it has detained American tourist Jeffrey Edward Fowle for unspecified actions "contrary to the purpose of tourism."

    Do we have North Korean's they want back? Another trade maybe?

  • UnCivilServant||

    They regard all of South Korea to be theirs so...

  • Ted S.||

    Do we have North Korean's what that they want back?

  • ||

    DO NOT USE APOSTROPHES IN PLURALS OR I'LL SIC A SPOTTED WOLF SPIDER ONTO YOU

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    Ha, but it will be an UNNAMED Spotted Wolf Spider!

    best stick with drop bears - Ursus Excido

  • Ivan Pike||

    I'LL SIC A SPOTTED WOLF SPIDER ONTO YOU

    *Stomps spider, walks away.*

    Sorry, didn't catch the apostrophe, plural thing.

  • Juice||

    The Nietzsche link goes to the HHS story.

  • Elizabeth Nolan Brown||

    Fixed now; thank you!

  • Juice||

    So if you think a group of people are fascist, vigorously stamp them out. Strike fear into their hearts and they will never defy you again.

  • ||

    Latest terrifying Australian spider can't be classified as there's a shortage of taxonomists

    http://www.theguardian.com/wor.....classified

  • Brett L||

    Look, its in Austalia, just put it in the family of spiders most deadly to humans and move on.

  • Brett L||

    Look, its in Austalia, just put it in the family of spiders most deadly to humans and move on.

  • Brett L||

    Plague o' skwerlz!

  • db||

    You know how, sometimes, you'll be thinking about a plate o' skwerlz, and then somebody else will say, like, "plate" or "skwerlz?"

  • db||

    Trick, auto correct plague and plate.

  • Tonio||

    I've had a plate of skwerl and it's not bad, really.

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    +1 Kentucky Breakfast

  • l0b0t||

    Back in the 1980s/90s we did the majority of our field training down the road from Ord at Ft. Hunter Liggett. I had an E6 in my platoon who was country as a stick. He taught us how to use blank rounds and a section of cleaning rod to hunt the omnipresent squirrels. We would each bring an ingredient to contribute for a stew rather than packaged snacks for nosh. It was quite tasty.

  • Tonio||

    That's not how it works, Brett. Linnaean taxonomy is based on classing organisms into grops based on common descent, not their shared characteristics. Thus you don't put bats in the same group with birds and bees just because they all fly.

  • UnCivilServant||

    you don't put bats in the same group with birds and bees

    They are in the same group: Animalia!

  • db||

    BURN.

  • Tonio||

    Swiss Servator put you up to that, didn't he?

  • UnCivilServant||

    No, that's my Snark.

  • Juice||

    That's a kingdom, not a group.

  • UnCivilServant||

    Group isn't a rank in the hierarchy of species taxonomy.

  • Emmerson Biggins||

    KPCOFGS

  • gaijin||

    based on common descent

    Given the emergence of evolution as the dominant theory in biology, shouldn't scientists now be referring to this as 'ascent'?

  • Brett L||

    Look, its a cataloging system that has a feature you've described, that doesn't make it good -- just well adopted. I'd like to start an insurrection that uses common characteristics to classify.

  • Tonio||

    "adapted"?

    IIRC there are folk taxonomies where bats are classed as birds because they all fly. That's why I used that example.

  • Brett L||

    No, "adopted". As long as I can find the organism in the system by searching on some relevant characteristic, its a good system. But there's nothing magic about common ancestor, except that it makes dispute resolution between taxonomists dead simple.

  • UnCivilServant||

    It's Australian, it's not dead, it must be lethal.

  • RBS||

    it must be lethal.

    I assume that's why there is a taxonomist shortage.

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    +1 Crikey

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    "Australia is home to more than 560,000 native species, many of which are not found anywhere else on earth"

    AND THEY KILL!

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    The SoCon Fight Against Anonymous Fatherhood Continues

    "The gestational surrogacy industry is massive, generating $3.3 billion per year. No one knows for sure, but estimates range between 30,000 and 60,000 children are born this way each year, by science and not by sex, except for masturbation...

    Robert Oscar Lopez, who runs the blog English Manif, is a bi-sexual man raised by lesbians and now married with children who leads a campaign for children’s rights and calls for an end to gestational surrogacy. He believes it is a violation of human rights to deliberately create a child without a father, and is especially outraged by same-sex couples doing this because same-sex relationships are inherently unstable and therefore dangerous for children...

    Donor-conceived children point out the industry is a form of slavery since children are bought and sold with genes that promise blond hair and blue eyes going to the highest bidders. They call it the commodification of human life, something the left ought to object to but largely doesn’t."

    http://www.crisismagazine.com/.....s-children

  • Virginian||

    While I can see why "Buy this sperm for Aryan looking children!" hits people in the feelz, so long as someone is caring for the child, I don't see the issue.

    But you know, I prefer an aboveboard business transaction to the age old "oops, I guess birth control failed, now we have to get married or you can just pay child support for the next two decades!" scenario.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Robert Oscar Lopez, who runs the blog English Manif, is a bi-sexual man raised by lesbians

    This guy is a socon?

    Others call it slavery for another reason. A young woman listing herself says, “Just to let you know, if chosen I will undeniably be the best GS mother…. If you wish me to stay bedridden that is what I will do. I am carrying your child and want you to have the optimal experience as well.” Just because it is seemingly voluntary does not mean it is not slavery. And note the bedridden woman is culpable in the buying and selling of another human being.

    This also sounds exactly like a socon. They're always calling it slavery when someone exchanges a service for money.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    You need to read more socon websites.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    You need to stop projecting everything you hate onto socons. Everybody in that article was basing their arguments on how the children (/themselves) felt, not religion. There's only the final paragraph that has anything at all to do with religion, but everyone in it that is actually an "advocate" has nothing to do with being a socon.

    You might as well be Buttplug attacking Bush 10 times a day.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    You are so clueless you don't get what magazine that article came from or the writer, or maybe that I've posted a lot of similar articles from similar socially conservative websites, and noted actions by socially conservative legislators in the same vein. No, you have a narrative you want to run with, and you're going to cluelessly run with it, facts and context be darned. Well, run, Forest, run!

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Yup, I'm the one with a narrative. Not the guy using comments from a bisexual man raised by lesbians as an attack against socons.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Just to flesh it out for you: Crisis Magazine is a pretty big socially conservative Catholic magazine and Ruse is probably their most socially conservative writer (check out his organization which fights contraception at the international level).

    Many socially conservative organizations have recently called for restrictions on what they call 'anonymous fatherhood.' Just this week one of Dobson's organizations pushed Bobby Jindal to veto a bill legalizing surrogacy in the LA.

    You act like social conservatives are only people that argue for their preferred goals and policies from a religious text. If you spent any time on socially conservative websites you would know that they very often couch their arguments in terms like 'slavery' (when arguing against surrogacy, pornography, sexual trafficking, etc), or the 'good of the children.'

    So look, you're ignorant of what's going on, making a basic logical mistake, and then turning to this silly narrative that some of the socon friendly posters here push because they do not like criticism of socons here.

  • RBS||

    Socon friendly posters? I think there are maybe 2-3 and then some one offers who pop up when something get's posted somewhere else. 99% of the commentariat does not give a shot about your hard on for the socons.

  • RBS||

    *give a shit

  • Marshall Gill||

    You might as well be Buttplug attacking Bush 10 times a day.

    Same hand, different sock.

  • RBS||

    So, I have pretty much had the entire office to myself this week because the paralegal is on vacation and my boss is pregnant and pretty much only works half days right now. It's been awesome, the solo practitioner seed has definitely been planted.

  • gaijin||

    boss is pregnant...seed has been planted.

    I see what you did there.

  • Rich||

    "What difference does it make" redux

    Thanks a lot, asshole.

    /Hillary

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    I think the DNC really needs to go ahead and adopt that as it's slogan for 2014.

  • gaijin||

    I think the DNC really needs to go ahead and adopt that as it's slogan for 2014.

    So, they'll run on "Thanks a lot, asshole"? :)

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    Say, that actually works better than "what difference does it make"!

  • Juice||

    Indeed, what difference does it make? Obama still broke the law.

  • Slammer||

  • SugarFree||

    Reason 9: Most of them are really not very attractive.

    NYC is the only city I've ever been to where the male in a couple is--on average--more attractive than the female. Between bad skin, talking like Kardasitards, the empty calories of constant drinking, a complete abandonment of make-up and hairstyling (and in many case basic hygiene) and dorky hipster glasses, the man repeller stalks triumphant through Manhattan and the outer burroughs.

  • waffles||

    It's one of the few places where "the odds are good, but the goods are odd" applies for men.

  • ||

    Montreal. It's dangerous up here at how hot the women are. I purposely don't go downtown because it depresses me.

  • Ted S.||

    I always think of Marty Brodeur banging his sister-in-law when I think of Quebec women.

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    "Kardasitards"

    I chortled aloud.

  • gimmeasammich||

    You didn't upchuckle? Not even a little?

  • Juice||

    They need to come to DC. For some reason this place has a disproportionate amount of hot women.

  • Sansos||

    They're probably all taken by senators, representatives and lobbyists.

  • Ska||

    Really depends on the neighborhood. You want hot professional women? Midtown is full of them. A 2 minute walk for lunch and there are dozens of women I'd love to get a date with...

    The Kardasian/guidette type is a rare breed where I am. Chock full o'hipsters though (not that I mind).

  • KDN||

    If you can get past the attitude and the accent, Staten Island girls are usually quite attractive. I'll agree otherwise, NYC-metro girls suck compared to the rest of the country.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    The red alert — which argued that these Ivy League college girls “would never again be surrounded by this concentration of men who would be worthy of you” — went viral with more than 100 million hits.

    This is true for both genders. Dating post college takes way more effort than when you're with thousands of other similarly aged, similarly educated people without any sort of ethical/professional/legal concerns about dating them.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Published this week, the book argues that coeds have a limited shelf life “as young, beautiful [women who are] as attractive to men or as fertile” and advises them to spend three-quarters of their time in school on the hunt for Mr. Right.

    Though three-quarters is a bit much.

  • Brett L||

    spend three-quarters of their time in school on the hunt for Mr. Right.

    Bring back the MRS degree for coeds!

  • Auric Demonocles||

    There was one girl I met studying econ at Cornell that was absolutely trying to go that route.

  • Spoonman.||

    That is in fact what my wife sometimes told people when we were at Cornell who asked what she planned to do with her sociology degree. That took people aback.

    It's working out for her (and me) quite well.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    It didn't work out as well for that girl. Perhaps because she was doing a bit too much of the hooking up mentioned in the article?

  • Brett L||

    Perhaps because she was doing a bit too much of the hooking up mentioned in the article?

    I had something for this... cows and milk?

  • Spoonman.||

    Yeah, pretty much.

  • Spoonman.||

    That was to Brett.

  • ||

    advises them to spend three-quarters of their time in school on the hunt for Mr. Right.

    Three academic quarters or 75% of their time from 1st day to graduation? I just want to clarify so that any college age, libertarian women here don't under achieve.

  • Virginian||

    No Auric, I'll graduate at 23 or 24, 20 pounds heavier then I was, and with lots of emotional scar tissue from my college "dating". Then I'll add on another 6 or 8 years of heavy drinking and bad relationships, becoming bitter and crazy. Then when I'm past 30, Chris Noth proposes to me. And we live happily ever after.

  • Ted S.||

    WHo would want to marry anybody in NYC, woman or man?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Gay guys?

  • ||

    My wife had a good friend in college who was a local SoCal girl. Sweet as can be and was a hot irish/hispanic mix.

    Then she went to NYC for one semester and came back completely fucking whacked. We hung out with her one time and both agreed to completely cut ties.

    This is my worst example, but I definately know a few examples of people who go there and quickly change.

  • ||

    Lol, totally forgot! She now brings home the bacon supporting an 'artist.' And not just any kind of typical douche artist, a poet. "Slam poetry" to be exact.

  • gaijin||

    A gunman opened fire at Seattle Pacific University yesterday, killing one and injuring two more before he was pepper-sprayed and tackled by a student building monitor.

    Not to minimize, but the headlines I've seen since yesterday have gone from two gunman and six dead, to one gunman and four dead, to one dead and two injured. Why do I think the media are disappointed with the final tally?

  • Elizabeth Nolan Brown||

    #NotAllMedia

  • gaijin||

    I stand happily corrected!

  • ||

  • Rich||

    “There’s a lot of other things they could probably steal that would be worth a lot more … but they’re only targeting Lego."

    You're presuming that's *ordinary* Lego ….

  • Drax the Destroyer||

    So they stole one death star set? Big whoop...

  • waffles||

    US researcher banned for mining bitcoin using university supercomputers


    The computationally intensive mining took up about $150,000 worth of NSF-supported computer use at the two universities to generate bitcoins worth about $8,000 to $10,000, according to the report.

    Looks like government can't even mine bitcoin efficiently.

  • John||

    How do you mine for bitcoin?

  • waffles||

    You run the SHA-256 hashing algorithm burning electricity and generating heat until the network confirms you have generated a new block. If you have access to a lot of computing power you have a better chance of success. Now there are single-purpose machines that are designed to do nothing but mine bitcoins which are likely far more efficient at it than any NSF supercomputer.

    I'm not the best at explaining all this, just google "bitcoin mining". It's how new bitcoins are generated!

  • John||

    Wow. I need to learn more about computers.

  • kinnath||

    Stick to law ;-)

  • tarran||

    John, whatever you do, don't take up Perl scripting...

    Your penchant for typeo-s might take down the Internet.

  • John||

    Maybe Tarran I should and get a job working for the NSA. I would be the ultimate Libertarian mole. Snowden just leaked what they were doing. I could take the whole place down and be able to honestly say it was all an accident.

  • SugarFree||

    Jezebel is outraged--outraged, I say--at the suggestion that the trend of adults reading children's books might not be the best thing for literature.

    Outrage!

  • ||

    t's not good enough that you're reading, now you must be doing the right kind of reading to not feel that you are a raging loser who has accomplished nothing in your life.

    Actually, no, it's not good enough that you're reading. If it's a choice between reading crap or kids' books or doing almost anything else (including masturbation) then "almost anything else" wins. You're letting your brain get flabby, you fucking dolt

  • Jordan||

    You're letting your brain get flabby, you fucking dolt

    Well, it might as well match the rest of their body.

  • AlmightyJB||

    But can I go see Malicifant?

  • John||

    ^^THIS^^

    I would say that playing a complex video game or online RPG game is better for your mind than reading kids' books.

    Also, I wonder if the trend of adults reading such books is just a symptom of the emptiness that comes for some people when they don't have children. One of the great pleasures of having or being around children is that you get to experience the things you enjoyed as a kid once again vicariously through them. If you don't have kids or are not close to someone else' kids, you can't do that. So instead, these people just relive it themselves, no kids needed.

  • Drax the Destroyer||

    I'd say a lot of this trend has to do with the abysmal way public schools foisted reading onto their students. Most adults don't read because they innately associate it with busy-work, anger, frustration, and failure. Going back to basics (Harry Poonter, The Bungler Games, etc.), is natural since that shit is as far removed from Billy Budd as being a responsible adult is from being a brain-dead kid in public school.

  • John||

    That is a good point. It is especially true for boys. They have destroyed reading for boys in public schools. They actually read shit like the Joy Luck Club in 9th grade now. What the hell kind of 14 year old boy is going to want to read the Joy Luck Club?

    I have friends who home school and all of their kids love to read. It isn't because their kids are geniuses or anything. It is just because they were given books they actually want to read.

  • UnCivilServant||

    I never understood how they picked these books they foisted on us at school. I was that kid who used to stay up late reading (until they took my lamp away) and hike through gang territory to reach the nearest public library, but couldn't stand the crap they doled out at school. The literary abuse I took almost made me quit reading during high school. The absolute worst tripe was a novella titled "Johnathan Livingston Seagull" I was forced to read it during class, and my eyes fell out of their sockets from the boredom. I can't even tell you what it was supposed to be about besides the fact that I decided the title character had splattered on the ground and died before the somewhat trippy end sequence (it made more sense than taking it at face value).

    All of my English and Lit teachers/professors in school were convinced I had no interest in the written word. Today I write fiction semi-proffessionally. I started in high school to entertain myself because I had grown convinced that there were no worthwhile books left in the world with what was shoved down our throats.

  • SugarFree||

    Interesting bit of trivia: At any given moment, Johnathan Livingston Seagull is available at a yard sale for a nickel and it never gets purchased.

  • John||

    You leave Richard Bach alone!!

    It really is kind of an anthem book for dopey young middle school teachers in the 70s.

  • SugarFree||

    From JLS wikipedia page:

    Film critic Roger Ebert wrote[3] that the book was "banal," and that "'The Little Engine That Could' is, by comparison, a work of some depth and ambition."
  • Brett L||

    The Little Engine That Could IS a work of some depth. Especially combined with the sequel, I Knew I Could.

  • UnCivilServant||

    Or the Alt Sequel - The Engine With a Ruptured Gasket.

  • Brett L||

    I pick up a copy of his Illusions whenever I find one at a used book store/garage sale and hand it out to adults who invariably tell me how great it was and they are loaning it to someone else. I like Richard Bach.

  • Pro Libertate||

    There's a movie version of that.

  • John||

    JLS is some real 70s feel good groovy stuff UnCivil Servant. I was the same way. I was lucky in that for whatever reason my school was behind the times enough and I was just wierd enough that I enjoyed some of the stuff we read. I enjoyed Bridge at San Louis Rey, some of the Hemingway and Hawthorne short stories and I even liked Far From the Madding Crowd, which was a total chick book.

    But don't even get me started on The Grapes of Wrath or Death of a Salesman. God, I wanted the Jodes to get hit by a truck.

  • Brett L||

    What I really remember about Hemingway from high school is that if the title were The Old Man and the Ocean, the abbreviation would be "TOMATO".

  • Pro Libertate||

    When I was in high school, I was not that thrilled with Hemingway. Now I like him. I think it was The Sun Also Rises that won me over, though I always liked The Old Man and the Sea.

    Like with Twain, I think his nonfiction is a little underappreciated--Death in the Afternoon, A Moveable Feast, etc.

  • John||

    I agree with you about Twain Pro. I never had any use for Huck Fin. It just never interested me. It always stuck me as Little House on the Prairie with a river.

    Now, Roughing it and A Moveable Feast and his non fiction stuff is great.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I love Huck Finn, but I also love A Tramp Abroad, Life on the Mississippi, and several others.

  • ||

    PL, in case you didn't see my reply yesterday about the drink. If you were serious, I reckon you can find San Pellegrino "Limonata" or 'Aranciata' or any other flavors in bottles or cans in most grocers and/or specialty shop.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I don't even remember this conversation. Was it about blood orange soda?

  • tarran||

    There is one benefit to the Grapes of Wrath.

    The Soviets initially promoted the movie based on the book to show their workers how badly the American proletariat was treated.

    It backfired; the Russians were amazed that the oppressed American masses had automobiles... :D

  • John||

    It might not be the best thing for society. I understand that some children's literature is brilliant. But it is brilliant children's literature, meaning it puts things on a level that children can understand it. Putting serious issues into terms children can understand is no mean feat, but so is talking about those issues on an adult level. Once you are an adult, why do you want to read about those things on a child's level unless you are just so immature or intellectually stunted that that is the only way you can understand those issues?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    What about how a lot of classic literature that I do not think was written for young adults gets reclassified that way, I am thinking of London's Call of the Wild and White Fang but others probably can be cited.

  • Jordan||

    That's probably why I hated everything we read in my English Lit class in high school.

  • Ted S.||

    Admit it: you liked A Separate Peace.

  • John||

    That is an interesting question. Call of the Wild is an adventure story. It is not really a kids' book I don't think. It is one of the first adult books a lot of kids can get into.

    I am not really sure why it and other books like that gets classified as "kids' books". Maybe that is a product of us defining down adult too much. A book doesn't have to be some philosophical treatise to be an adult book.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    But Call of the Wild does have an underlying philosophy that is pretty substantial. On its face it is just an adventure story about a wolf, but on its face As I Lay Dying is just about taking a woman to be buried.

  • John||

    Yes that is true. I didn't mean to imply that it was just an adventure story. It is a serious book. I am not sure why it is called a kids book other than maybe some people don't like its philosophy and want to dismiss it as just an adventure story.

  • Ted S.||

    Of course, Call of the Wild is eminently readable, while As I Lay Dying isn't.

  • John||

    That too. I respect Faulkner and I understand why he is such a big deal. But, God, I can think of a lot of things I would rather do than read one of his books. Try Absalom Absalom sometime. It makes As I Lay Dying seem like a feel good celebrity biography.

  • Juice||

    I remember reading those London books when I was 11 or 12 and I fucking loved them so they seem geared for that age.

  • Marshall Gill||

    John Barleycorn is a fascinating look into the mind of a prohibitionist. It is the next classic on the list for the 12 year old.

  • gaijin||

    Once you are an adult, why do you want to read about those things on a child's level unless you are just so immature or intellectually stunted that that is the only way you can understand those issues?

    Not trolling John, but do you think reading the Ten Commandments or some other bible story is childish? I htink some people find comfort in revisiting the things they knew as children.

  • John||

    That is a fair point. Parables are just complex ideas put into simple stories. But are people reading children's' books because they see them as parables for bigger issues? Sometimes sure. But I don't think that much. Do you?

  • gaijin||

    I suppose it is a matter of degree...I re-read several of the Hardy Boys books to my son awhile back at bedtime. I think I enjoyed the stories more than him even accounting for the circumstances of my re-reading them. Not sure there are a lot of complex issues in the stories, but it did transport me to another place and time, which is what alot of good adult fiction does too. Now if it was all I read, that might be something else like nostalgia or stunted intellect.

  • John||

    Yes. See my point above. One of the fun things about having kids is living vicariously as they do some of the things you used to do. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

  • RBS||

    Depends, are you reading the version in the bible or The Big Book of Illustrated Bible Stories?

  • gaijin||

    The Big Book of Illustrated Bible Stories Graphic Novel?

    Fixed :)

  • RBS||

  • AlmightyJB||

    Lol cats bible

  • ||

    There's a difference between rereading something (such as Alice in Wonderland, or The Secret Garden) and having a nostalgia kick or discovering something new in it, and actively searching out new literature written for adolescents because, fundamentally, you don't want to grow up.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    I would say there is a big difference between Alice in Wonderland and the Secret Garden, the former was like the latter written for young people but it certainly contains wordplay and logical puzzles that an adult can appreciate. This does not detract from your main point though.

  • Game of Thrones fan||

    I agree. To balance things out I think we should make children read adult books. I read "The Song of Ice and Fire" to my kids and they love it.

  • SugarFree||

    "Daddy? Is Ned going to be alright?"

    "Sure, sweetie. They totally know how to reattached heads in Westeros. Now go to sleep, you fucking idiot."

  • Andrew S.||

    SPOILERS!

  • Brett L||

    I mean, not to spoil it, but not all the dead sleep peacefully in the later books...

  • SugarFree||

    I have read all the books, Brett. If that even is your real name.

  • Drax the Destroyer||

    !!!!!!!!!!Spoiler Alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    "Daddy, would you shit yourself if I shot you with a cross-bow bolt like Tyrion did to Tywin?"

    "You're mom sure did...I mean...fuck..."

  • gaijin||

    oh crap...why didn't I keep scrolling.

  • John||

    I agree. I read a lot of adult books as a kid. Even if you don't totally get what is going on, you can get a lot. Kids' should challenge themselves if they can. I think I read Dune when I was 10. I reread it as an adult and understood a bunch of things in it that I didn't as a ten year old. But I still got a lot out of it as a kid.

  • Virginian||

    I read The Hunt for Red October when I was like eight. I was gung ho for Cold War for like a week afterwards, then my Dad explained to me that the Cold War was over. I asked who won, and he said "We did. Thanks to Reagan." Which set my mom off for like five minutes.

    My dad trolls hard in the paint.

  • John||

    So does my dad. It drives my wife nuts. My father and I are brutal to each other. My dad never pulled any punches with me when I was a kid. When I said something wrong or made a dumb argument he told me so. No of course I give as good as I get and it is a bit more of a fair fight. We go back and forth like crazy, especially if we are drinking. It is great fun. My wife can't stand it. She takes it too personally and always gets mad.

  • RBS||

    My wife can't stand it. She takes it too personally and always gets mad.

    Sounds like my wife too.

  • Ted S.||

    In fifth or sixth grade, I did a book report on Ian Fleming's Doctor No.

  • RBS||

    That's a thing?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Russian President Vladimir Putin skipped the beach memorial...

    "And that's not meant as an insult, Mr. Ambassador. I mean, you take your average Russkie, we all know how much guts he's got. Hell, lookit... look at all them... them Nazis killed off and they still wouldn't quit."

  • Tonio||

    A gunman opened fire at Seattle Pacific University yesterday, killing one and injuring two more before he was pepper-sprayed and tackled by a student building monitor.

    Well, good for the student monitor. Seriously.

    This should be good for some delicious butt-hurt from both the cops and the grabbers.

  • RBS||

    "Who needs guns when pepper spray works just fine."

  • John||

    That kid had balls of steel. He literally brought pepper spray to a gun fight. It is a shame no one was armed to fight back and he had to do that. But wow, I stand in a bit of awe at what he did.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    The media should make a guy like that's name a household name instead of mass shooters.

  • db||

    Exactly.

  • John||

    Yes they should. They throw around the term "hero" so loosely. That guy is a real hero and should be a household name.

  • Ted S.||

    He's also a first responder, but do you think they'll use that term for him either?

  • John||

    Yes he is Ted. That is a great point.

  • Virginian||

    If you're not getting a government check, it doesn't count. I mean, not to get all tin foil hat here, but I do think there is a concerted effort to marginalize and ignore the efforts of ordinary citizens. The statist media is like that.

    I mean take 9/11. Todd Beamer should have a 20 foot heroic bronze on the National Mall. No disrespect to the firefighters of NYC, he and his fellow militia were at least as heroic as the FDNY.

    Rick Rescorla should be a household name. He should have a monument at Ground Zero. I know what to put on it.

    He was last seen on the 10th floor, heading upward.

    Oh, and ordinary citizens spontaneously evacuated Manhattan that day. No one told them to do it, they just grabbed their boats, moved people, and went back for another load. Did it all before the government got up and running. But no press for them.

    Fuck the media.

  • Virginian||

    The media should make a guy like that's name a household name instead of mass shooters.

    The female security guard who stopped the shooter in the church a while back should also be a household name. She isn't.

    http://bulletsfirst.net/2014/0.....ter-press/

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanha.....omeone-wit

    Someone might think the media has an agenda.

  • John||

    Or the security guard who shot the Fort Hood shooter. They later fired her.

  • Juice||

    Why the hell would they fire her?

  • John||

    I have no idea. She wasn't "fired" so much as let go. When it counted she had courage and did the right thing and they later laid her off anyway.

  • tarran||

    If I recall correctly, her injuries and the treatment for them were causing her to miss work and were costing her employer a lot of money.

    So they laid her off.

    It's a pretty fucking shabby way to treat your staff. It's also a great way to ensure that the next time there won't be heroics.

  • Virginian||

    If I'm a security guard, I want a big bonus in my contract for taking down a mass shooter.

  • db||

    When Crazy Jill shot up the HUB lawn at Penn State in the late '90s, a guy from my dorm attacked her barehanded while she was reloading and brandishing a knife. Definitely a feat of courage.

  • John||

    Wow. It is amazing what some people can do when they have to.

  • ||

    Or how about Liviu Librescu, who held off the Virginia Tech gunman, giving all but one of his students enough time to escape through the windows. Then again, he was a Holocaust survivor so he knew you don't fuck about when confronted with evil

  • John||

    I read a WSJ article a few years ago about this award they give every year to people who committed acts of extreme heroism. I don't remember all of the awards for that year but one sticks out. A man was driving on a rural highway and stopped his car and got out and saved another man from being gored to death by a bull. He ran out into a field and distracted an angry bull to save someone. If you have ever been around a large animal, you find out real quickly there are few things more terrifying or that can make you feel more powerless than a truly angry large animal. I can't imagine getting out of the car let alone trying to get the bull's attention.

  • Virginian||

    Yeah, well that's when you pull out your trunk gun and shoot the damn thing dead.

    You do have a trunk gun, don't you?

  • John||

    No I do not. But perhaps I should.

  • ||

    You pack a .45-70 rifle in your trunk?

  • Virginian||

    I will once I find a good Marlin Guide Gun for a decent price. Right now the trunk gun is a .30-30, the fine Winchester model of 1894. Its probably a little marginal for a raging bull, but that's why I'm looking to upgrade to the big Marlin.

  • Ivan Pike||

    If you like your .30-30, try these guys for ammo.

    Heavy 30-30 Winchester

  • AlmightyJB||

    '94 30-30 has been on my wish list forever. Maybe I'll look for a gun show this weekend.

  • Brett L||

    .357 lever action? It lacks good ballistic qualities at range, but I bet it get his attention within 50 yards.

  • ||

    I've wanted a .44 lever action for years. Not for any particular reason, mind you, it just seems bad as shit.

  • db||

    On my wishlist is a suppressed River 77/44 from John's Guns. Bolt action can be just as fast as.lever.

  • Brett L||

    Yes, let us name Mr. Jon Meis when we speak of him, so he might be remembered.

  • Rich||

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    RUN FOR YOUR LIVES

  • John||

    Some day, all of this will be gone.

  • Rich||

    And, in *other* Seattle news:

    900-Pound Woman Has Wall Removed To Leave Bedroom For First Time In 2 Years

    My favorite part is when she thanks all the crews for "making it easier".

  • Jordan||

    I wonder when she'll post about it on Jezebel.

  • gaijin||

    900-Pound Woman Has Wall Removed To Leave Bedroom

    So she was able to get to the kitchen?

  • RBS||

    For what? Everyone knows 900 pound women never even think about eating...

  • UnCivilServant||

    It's more of a reflex at that point.

  • Virginian||

    So she was able to get to the kitchen

    She probably wasn't. That's what's crazy about these stories. Someone is feeding these people. I mean, let's say she's 5 foot 6. That means she has to eat 6000 calories a day to maintain that weight. That's a lot of fucking food.

  • John||

    So if she dies in her room, will they burn the house down rather than burying her like they did in What's Eating Gilbert Grape?

  • ||

    You don't want to set fire to a building that contains a 900-pound sac of flammable liquid. The aftermath would be like a Kiluea lava flow.

  • John||

    It will burn for years. It might become a tourist attraction. So there is that.

  • Swiss Servator, CH yeah!||

    Instead of a lahar, you get a fathar? Adiposehar?

  • ||

    Liphar.

  • ||

    Sharon Hall-Dodson says she can now work on losing weight with the right equipment

    You don't need to remove a wall to fit a fucking muzzle onto her

  • Michael||

    "Alright, everyone, she's being wheeled out now! Raise the dignity tarps!"

  • Certified Public Asskicker||

    Amanda Marcotte, on Gone with the Wind*:

    Gone With The Wind is a irredeemable pile of trash that seems to exist mainly to endorse rape culture, minimize the evils of slavery, and insinuate that the Union were the bad guys in the Civil War, instead of the people who committed treason to protect slavery.

    *The article was on something else entirely, what? Not sure, I didn't care to read the whole thing.

  • waffles||

    This really speaks to her intelligence and lack of capacity for empathy. The antebellum south has a story worth telling and if you are incapable of seeing a perspective other than your own then there is nothing I can say to you.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    To be fair to Marcotte, the perspective of many* Confederates was the urgent need to defend slavery.

    *not all - some of the Confederates were faced with a choice between fighting for the U.S. or fighting in defense of their native land.

  • John||

    And even the ones who defended slavery often did so because they didn't know any better. Was Jefferson a bad person because he owned slaves? No worse than you or I. I can't excuse the slave ownership but I can forgive and understand the person. This is something a fanatical twit like Marcotte cannot do.

  • ||

    but I can forgive

    It's not your place to forgive a slave owner. Understand if you want to, but not to forgive

  • John||

    Depends what you mean by forgive. Yes, since I wasn't the victim of their actions, I cannot in a strict sense "forgive". What I meant by "forgive" was not condemn. I just wasn't being precise. Technically you are correct but that is not what I meant.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    Was Jefferson a bad person because he owned slaves?

    Yes, yes he was.

    The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson

    Fuck Thomas Jefferson.

  • John||

    Marcotte is an idiot incapable of seeing or understand nuance. The idea that while slavery was utterly evil, there were within it bits and stories that were not irredeemably evil never occurs to her.

    In the end, Marcotte cannot understand the concept of redemption and the interplay between good an evil. Marcottee sees good and she sees evil. Everything in the world is one or the other and the two things never mix. So the idea that slave owners might not have been all evil, or that not every slave lived an irredeemable wasted life or that the Union wasn't all good can never occur to her.

  • ||

    Yeah well, O'Hara totally deserved to be slapped and told to fuck off. Cunt.

    Anyone here ever commented on any of that psycho's articles?

  • SugarFree||

    She'll jump in the comments, but since she is just trolling herself, catching her out in a lie or sloppy research/thinking just rolls off her back. If you argue exclusively in bad faith you are incapable of feeling any shame or admitting any error.

  • RBS||

    Amanda Marcotte is Tulpa?

  • SugarFree||

    I doubt Tulpa is that manly.

  • Certified Public Asskicker||

    Serious Man probably has, he has been known to fight back in the RS comments.

  • Brett L||

    Gone With The Wind is a irredeemable pile of trash

    ... I'm actually with her up to this point.

  • Idle Hands||

    The movie while long was alright, never read the book.

  • Idle Hands||

    Why do I get the feeling people like her were the ones burning books in 1933, and reporting their neighbors as collaborators years later in East Germany.

  • paranoid android||

    I wonder how she feels about Faulkner.

  • RishJoMo||

    Dude this makes a lot of sense.

    www.WentAnon.tk

  • ||

    I feel it's only fair, at this point, to officially inform AM Links participants of your dark, dark future. We're still refining the details. There may be QR codes, or tshirts.

  • John||

    I am still your devoted minion Nikki.

  • ||

    Thank you, John. Your loyalty shall be rewarded.

  • SugarFree||

    I can cook and mix drinks! Even disgusting girly drinks like Episiarch loves!

  • ||

    You can cook? Mine! jesse has already proved he can cook for himself.

  • ||

    Baked with Splenda!

  • ||

    Will there be rules against fraternization across the categories?

  • ||

    I'll have to discuss that with jesse. I have a feeling the answer will be "yes."

  • waffles||

    But free association!

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Meh, too much buttsex in either camp.

  • Brett L||

    I've waited all my life to be treated like a sex object!

  • ||

    That's the good news. The bad news is that the sex object in question will be a small abused hamster trapped in some guy's arse

  • Brett L||

    I'm married. I'll take what I can get.

  • ||

    Well you came to the right place, Brett. I'd say you have a good shot of making Camp Nikki.

  • ||

    I should've known you'd try to sweep up in the morning links.

    Damn you and your Central Time privilege!

  • db||

    So which one of you gets long haired Vikings with facial hair and a bad.sense of punctuation.?

  • ||

    Those ones probably go to jesse, but we are also accepting dick pics.

  • ||

    I can make beardy Viking work.

  • ||

    DEATH BY SNU SNU

  • Auric Demonocles||

    "What'd they die of?"

    "Crushed pelvises."

  • MJGreen||

    I'll just place myself in the unfuckable camp. :(

  • Brian D||

    It's official: Sylvia Mathews Burwell will take over as Health and Human Services Department secretary. The Senate confirmed Burwell Thursday by a vote of 78 to 17.

    That was quick. Something tells me the Republicans went along with it so they could have a new face to blame for the next Obamacare delay/failure/scandal.

  • John||

    What is the point of fighting it out? Even if you killed the nomination, what good would it do?

  • The Late P Brooks||

    What's this? Nonsensical handwringing over reading "children's" books?

    The Once and Future King is one of my most favoritest books ever.

    Sue me.

  • Virginian||

  • ||

    She'll do. Though she could stand to add some weight to those squats. Thick thighs never scared any man worth having away, ladies.

  • John||

    Yeah. She is still too thin for my tastes but she will do. She at least looks fit and healthy even if she is too thin.

  • Brett L||

    She needs to squat with weights. The only reason she has an ass in those pics is because her lower lumbar are even with the front of her pelvis, she's arching her back so hard.

  • Idle Hands||

    drool.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    The world as it ought to be does not exist: University College London bans student Nietzsche Club for "promoting a far-right fascist ideology."

    "Well there may be no score, but there's certainly no lack of excitement here. As you can see, Nietzsche has just been booked for arguing with the referee. He accused Confucius of having no free will, and Confucius says, 'Name go in book'."

  • MJGreen||

    And Marx... Marx is claiming it was offsides.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    (My favorite part, because if you watch closely, Socrates was offsides)

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