School to Students: Go Ahead and Let Your Friends Drive Drunk

When zero tolerance meets guilt by association:

School policy, apparently.Two weeks ago, Erin received a call from a friend at a party who was too drunk to drive. Erin drove to Boxford after work to pick up her friend. Moments after she arrived, the cops arrived too and busted several kids for underage possession of alcohol.

A North Andover High School honor student, Erin was cleared by police, who agreed she had not been drinking and was not in possession of alcohol. But Andover High told Erin she was in violation of the district’s zero tolerance policy against alcohol and drug use. In the middle of her senior year, Erin was demoted from captain of the volleyball team and told she would be suspended from playing for five games.

North Andover High School: So committed to fighting teenage alcohol abuse, it'll punish you if you help stop a drunken teen from taking the wheel.

Update: The district superintendent denies that zero tolerance was a factor in this case. If that's true, it makes the school look even worse. More here.

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  • some guy||

    I'm sure she'll be turning libertarian any minute now. Right?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    No way. She's (almost) a woman.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    In the middle of her senior year, Erin was demoted from captain of the volleyball team and told she would be suspended from playing for five games.

    She could be 18. Although she's not really a woman until Obama says she is, which would be 26.

    Oh, and volleyball captain usually means very very tall with long legs and a toned body.

  • Restoras||

    Oh, and volleyball captain usually means very very tall with long legs and a toned body.

    You mean a young Gabrielle Reece? I like that...

    But, it could also mean someone too tall and clumsy to play basketball...

  • playa manhattan||

    Usually not, though.

  • John Galt||

    26? Really? Yet for Obama it's perfectly acceptable for Obama to be an emotional/mental infant at age 52.

  • Sigivald||

    Hmm.

    If there's a zero-tolerance policy against alcohol so strict that never actually touching or consuming any gets you busted...

    Shouldn't they be expelling all the Catholic students for taking Communion?

    I mean, zero-tolerance is zero-tolerance... so what about the First Amendment? If you're gonna expel people for not consuming or possessing alcohol, a mere religious rite shouldn't get you off the hook for actually ingesting it.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    The only cultural influence around here that is larger than the Puritans are the Irish.

  • Restoras||

    The Puritans thump you with the Bible, the Irish with thier fists and empty whisky bottles?

  • NoVAHockey||

    trick question. that's actually blood. just looks like wine.

  • NoVAHockey||

    trick question. that's actually blood. just looks like wine.

  • From the Tundra||

    The transubstantiation defense. I like it.

  • NoVAHockey||

    acquitted on all counts. it's a miracle!

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    Second only to the Chewbacca defense.

  • Matrix||

    Well, Catholic priests perform a magical ritual that turns the wine into blood.

    So, they can get around that by saying "nope, we drink blood, not wine"

    but what of Jewish kids sipping wine for Kiddush or during the Seder?

  • Bardas Phocas||

    Blood also... of gentile children.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I thought that was the same thing?

  • Agammamon||

    But then the FDA and Dept of Ag will want to have a word with you about that whole 'body of Christ' business.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Insane, and yes, my first reaction was the very perverse incentive being produced here.

  • ||

    Incentives be damned. All they care about is control.

  • Fluffy||

    This ruling was inspired by the State Department's decision to declare that if you spend time trying to convince a terrorist group to renounce violence, you are materially supporting terrorism.

  • kinnath||

    Erin is role model for daughters everywhere.

    I thought the local school was bonkers 17 years ago when my daughter was in her junior year.

    There is a good chance I would be arrested in the current environment for verbally assaulting (and threatening physical assault) if they did this kind of shit to my daughter.

  • kinnath||

    . . . or verbally assaulting (and threatening physical assault)the school administrators if they did . . .

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    Zero tolerance: because asking administrators to use their critical thinking skills to judge cases on their merits is just too much to ask of a government employee.

  • ||

    To an administrator, making you bend to their will is a reasonable outcome.

  • kinnath||

    Zero tolerance == institutionalized stupidity.

  • Marshall Gill||

    asking administrators to use their critical thinking skills

    You are implying the existence of something not in evidence.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    OT: http://blog.al.com/breaking/20.....cart_river

    UAH looks to Keynesian make-work theories to guide their on-campus construction.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I wonder if that's true. That bit about it being more expensive to maintain a building than to build one. 'Cause if it is, I'm taking down my house right now!

  • Caleb Turberville||

    1. Tear down building.
    2. Build new building.
    3. ????
    4. PROFIT!

  • Pro Libertate||

    Well, maybe it's a tax thing. Very arcane, our tax system.

    My wife and I were just talking about how nice it would be to build our own home. Little does she know that I want a Roman villa, faced with marble.

  • Restoras||

    A countryside home, or a city home? I like the city homes...no outward facing windows. I'd love to build something like that in my town...

  • Pro Libertate||

    More in the country, with land and serfs. You know, with the inside open to the sky. And some statuary. Perhaps the Laocoön. The original, mind you.

  • playa manhattan||

    There are some pretty amazingly perverse tax incentives to live in the country in CA. If you get zoned as agricultural, the property taxes are minuscule compared to a residential lot (which is slightly over 1% of the assessed value per year). All you have to do is let a goat herder come on to the property and have his goats clear your brush for a few days, and hey, now you're a rancher!

  • Pro Libertate||

    I'm pretty sure Florida has something like that if you're zoned right and actually do something agricultural. Obviously, with my villa come the obligatory olive trees.

  • ||

    You don't even need the goats. Just plant a few avocado or orange trees. You get free fruit, a tiny profit on the fruit you let your local packing plant have, a cut on your property taxes. If I could afford one of the 5 acre "farms" just outside town I'd move tomorrow.

  • playa manhattan||

    I would do it if not for the commute. I'm right up against the ocean, smack in the middle of LA County. It's about 2 hours in any direction to get to farm country...

  • playa manhattan||

    M.S., I can't remember if you've said before, but are you in CA?

  • ||

    Yes, just north of Ventura.

  • Lord Humungus||

    and a cohort of naked female slaves.

  • Pro Libertate||

    No, no, no, my wife is quite satisfactory. If they come with the house, I'll ship them off to you. Togas are quite like wasteland garments, anyway.

  • playa manhattan||

    So your wife reads your browser history, then?

  • Pro Libertate||

    No, my wife is a Colombian hottie. And a great wife, which I didn't know could come together before I met her.

  • From the Tundra||

    Ok, now you are starting to sound a little Dunphy-like. Did you meet her at an international surfing contest, by any chance?

    (nice work)

  • Pro Libertate||

    Not at all. Unlike dunphy, who operates through pure, unfiltered skill, I was just insanely lucky.

  • playa manhattan||

    I got lucky too, especially since I met my wife at a school that's notorious for having beat chicks.

  • Calidissident||

    playa, you're in the LA area right? Did you go to school around here? If so, where at?

  • playa manhattan||

    I grew up in Manhattan Beach, went to Cal, and then moved back here.

  • playa manhattan||

    probably 1/2 of my friends went to USC, though. One was even the starting tailback in the Pete Carroll years...

  • Calidissident||

    Yeah, I would agree with you on the reputation for Cal girls.

    Who's the ex-USC running back you know?

  • playa manhattan||

    This dude:
    http://usc.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1318636
    As a matter of fact, my best friend (also USC) got married last weekend, and Sunny and I were both in the ceremony. Being a notorious cheapskate, he crashed in my hotel room (uninvited) and kept me and my wife from getting down.
    Good times, man. Good times.

  • playa manhattan||

    P.S. Do you not remember our conversation about the Berkeley-Cal dilemma not that long ago? You must have been drinkin'...

  • ||

    He said it was cheaper to build a new one than to renovate, not maintain, the old one. "Plus, it's less expensive to build a building than to renovate. We're going to start planning that."

  • Pro Libertate||

    Okay, fair enough, but same answer.

  • kinnath||

    Retrofiting handicapped accessibility can be impossible if the building is old enough.

    Replacing HVAC can be hideous if the building is old enough.

    Starting with a bulldozer is sometimes the cheapest solution.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    Yeah, but this is an "administrative" building. I'm going to guess the future salaries of the residing administrators and staff will be way more than the cost of the building itself, let alone the renovation of the previous building.

  • kinnath||

    Ah. Bulldoze first, then plant a garden.

  • playa manhattan||

    Handicap retrofitting gets very expensive when you have to switch to those doorknobs that pythons can open...

  • Pro Libertate||

    All part of the master plan.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Maintaining a building is very expensive when you pay a bunch of people and they don't have any consequences for not working. And also, getting "free" stimulus money is probably figured into the cost.

    My school did a bunch of construction in the last few years and has plans for more new buildings. All have thank DearLeader stimulus posters in front. On project is moving the stairs of our 10 year old events center 100 ft from their previous location to a new location away from the doors. It's a fucking huge project with streets being shut down and inconvenient rerouting of foot traffic.

    The maintenance thing reminds me of a conversation I had with a chem lab professor once. She told me that her and the TAs had to clean the labs because the cleaning staff refused to do their jobs and would get hostile if you asked them. Not only that, but they'd sleep in classrooms and need to be kicked out for labs.

    I also heard that they had to stop buying ethanol with ethanol in the name and instead bought hydroxyethane (or something) because it kept getting stolen.

  • playa manhattan||

    Can't they just temporarily switch to denatured alcohol and then identify the suspects when they go blind and die?

  • General Butt Naked||

    I don't know if that one is true. That's what the TAs would say when we asked about the weird naming.

    I believe that IUPAC standard naming of ethanol is just ethanol.

  • playa manhattan||

    I call it "dinner"

  • General Butt Naked||

    That's the "spirit".

  • LarryA||

    That bit about it being more expensive to maintain a building than to build one.

    You can get an alumni gift/government grant/other "gift" for a new building, particularly one you can name after the donor. Operating/renovation funding notsomuch.

  • Hillary's Clitdong||

    Zero tolerance is just a way to ensure that those people who are too dull and uncharismatic to be successful fascists can nevertheless fulfill their inner desire to beat the shit out of anyone who dares to disrespect the authoritah of the state.

  • Restoras||

    ^This, and only this.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    OT: http://www.timesdaily.com/news.....f1ff4.html

    Dear god! Alabama school teachers aren't getting a raise in 2015!!!!

  • Matrix||

    Do you live in HSV?

  • Caleb Turberville||

    I'm from the Shoals. I currently live in Birmingham.

  • Matrix||

    Ah, okay.
    Not from Alabama, originally, but live in Huntsville. Considering pushing my daughter to enroll at UAB for their physical therapy program. Would that be a good school for it?

  • Caleb Turberville||

    Yeah, as far as the southeast, UAB physical therapy is a pretty good program.

  • wareagle||

    come on, now. The state actually has several good institutions depending on the degree program of interest.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    South Alabama's program might be worth looking into. The only other one I can think of might be Alabama State, but I don't think it's ranked all that high...Plus, it's Montgomery.

  • wareagle||

    Just poking Matrix. Seemed like he has some reservations what with it being Alabama. Maybe I'm wrong.

    UAB is probably the right choice for PT. In NC, it's East Carolina; also a top-drawer nursing program, which I believe South AL has. At least it used to.

  • Pro Libertate||

    [Obligatory insult from Florida to Auburn.]

    I did a statistics project some years ago where I learned that Huntsville, Alabama, was, by a significant margin, the most educated town in the U.S. per capita. May not be true now, but I assume it still has a good share of engineers and scientists, not to mention the university and the many businesses that operate out of there now.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    Huntsville is the kind of place that an Alabamian can point to as a source of pride...Unless you're a libertarian Alabamian, in which case Huntsville is a source of shame for its strong ties to the military-industrial complex.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Yeah, well, nobody is perfect.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    There are three metropolitan areas on the Tennessee River in Alabama: The Shoals, Decatur, and Huntsville. None of them are perfect from a libertarian point-of-view. The Shoals and Decatur have benefitted from the support of TVA, while Huntsville has gotten its share of gubmint money from NASA and the Army. As a result, north Alabamians really love their federal government, and despite their conservative values, will often be pro-spending when it comes election time.

  • wareagle||

    Huntsville is among the places AU engineering grads go.

    My wife is from GA; she handles the Florida insults.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I only insult one thing in Georgia--that mental institution in Athens. Otherwise, I like peaches and pecans.

  • Pro Libertate||

    They have some decent barbecue, too, in northern Georgia, but I think it's really just Alabama barbecue.

  • wareagle||

    agree with you on the barbecue. The folks in NC act like they invented it; then they pour this vinegar swill over it and ruin perfectly good meat.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Yeah, that's fucked up. Best barbecue I ever had was some shack between Pulaski and Huntsville. Pork slow cooked for a thousand years.

  • kevrob||

    Don't y'all surn libertarians ever consider going to non-gubmint institutions of har larnin'?

    http://www.aaicu.net/

    Kevin

    Raised in the South

    (The South Shore of Long Island.) ;)

  • Caleb Turberville||

    OT: http://www.timesdaily.com/news.....f6eda.html

    Private charity and action by the municipal school board allow Florence, Alabama Head Start program to function during shutdown.

  • Bardas Phocas||

    Bad precedent.
    Local resouces and voluntary contributions?
    Right there - Somalia!

  • Agammamon||

    Except that Headstart should not exist in the first place - years, decades, of data show that it has no effect beyond the first couple of years of school.

  • ||

    Why would it? If you show up in first grade and can already read, well, enjoy staring out the window while the rest of the class catches up. A public school isn't going to bump you a year or two just because you already know the subject matter.

  • SugarFree||

    Providing daycare for mothers that don't work is vitally important.

  • Paul.||

    Who called the cops? Who called the cops?

  • Restoras||

    It was either the Puritan neighbors for the excessive licentiousness and wickedness or the Irish neighbors ticked off at not being invited.

  • Paul.||

    Irish... I knew it...

  • Rasilio||

    Actually living in Boxford it is more likely that it was a noise complaint.

    Boxford is a wierd little place, located 20 miles north of Boston it basically looks like it did in the pre-revolutionary days. Like we don't even have a full stop light in the town, just a single flashing red one. There are no sidewalks or street lights and about as many horses as people. On the plus side from everything I've heard the town cops are entirely reasonable and non fascist being less concerned with writing tickets or arresting people than actually seeing to public safety.

  • Paul.||

    By my reading of this story, this girl got a stiffer penalty than Washington state Supreme Court Justice Bobbe Bridge who rammed cars and left the scene of an accident she was so drunk. Because important people are important.

  • Invisible Finger||

    Public schools certainly teach contradictory lessons on the subject of tolerance.

    "We will not tolerate your intolerance NOR will we tolerate your tolerance!"

  • ||

    Administrators love setting up conditions where your only options are blind obedience or punishment.

  • Redmanfms||

    Administrators love setting up conditions where your only options are blind obedience or and punishment.

    Some of the rules I've seen at my little cousin's school make it readily apparent that it is absolutely impossible to follow them and not be in breach of at least of one other rule. Rules at many schools are so labyrinthian that determinations of violations and punishments become essentially arbitrary.

    It's like some dickhead read Der Process and implemented it.

  • wareagle||

    something so mind-numbingly stupid that it could only have come from the mind of govt.

  • creech||

    Every athlete at the school should have quit his or her team until the student was re-instated. Hang together or hang separately.

  • gaijin||

    Not that I disagree with you but it's high school. Some of them may have had college vball dreams...or maybe they have vindicative teacher/coaches (I know, that's so unlikely). Anyway, let the whole community take the lesson of petty bureacracy and have the students live to fight another day...on a grander stage.

  • Bardas Phocas||

    OT: Obama fan club holds protest against anarchistic "Tea-tards" and are trolled by cannibal and a guy dropping his pants and singing about ostriches.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/.....ing-guitar
    God Bless American

  • SweatingGin||

    Warms my heart to see the kind of support they got.

  • playa manhattan||

    "OFA protesters watched the underwear guitar player from behind a flower bed and, shortly after, disbanded. "

  • Ted S.||

    Considering the OFA types are probably the ones planting the Confederate flags in veterans' rallies, good for whoever trolled OFA.

  • Agammamon||

    Look, what this young lady did is prevent harm from coming to her friends due to their poor decisions. I don't see how you all can defend her actions - because of her, now other children may not believe it when the government tells them that consuming alcohol is dangerous for them, too dangerous for it to be allowed.

    Now other children will drink to excess, thinking that nothing bad will happen to them - by eliminating the possibility that that friend would have met a gruesome end as a consequence of her alcohol consumption you remove one of the government's greatest tools for keeping us safe. In the end, she's done far more harm than good.

  • John Galt||

    If you want to be certain your children learn all the wrong lessons send them to public schools.

  • playa manhattan||

    I still don't understand how the school got involved. It was an encounter with the police, right?

  • wareagle||

    the state has many arms.

  • gaijin||

    I still don't understand how the school got involved. It was an encounter with the police, right?

    my community school has the same policies toward HS athletes and club participants. And they've even expanded them to include suspensions for inappropriate behavior during the summer (when school isnt in). Not that I think they would suspend someone who was not drinking. And like any good bureacracy, they selectively enforce the rules so that football players don;t get held to account to the same degree as others.

  • playa manhattan||

    How do they find out about behavior during the summer, away from school property?

  • kevrob||

    What's meant by "community school?" Is that some other alias for "tax-sucking government-owned semi-prison," or is it a charter or independent school?

    At the privately-owned and operated high school I attended, an athlete could be called on the carpet by a coach or the dean of either men or women (essentially, the school's vice-principals) for any behavior that reflected poorly on the school. It was a Catholic institution, so there were written and unwriten rules we all had to follow.

    I matriculated in the 1970s, when rules had significantly loosened. My uncle went to the same school in the 1950s. At that time, the nuns demanded any student holding a party let them know ahead of time, and submit a list of any guests who went to other schools. Ghu help you if any alcohol use was reported, let alone drugs. By the `70s, any party without at least beer didn't count as a party, and if pot or pills were found at school or on a school outing nobody would call the cops, but you'd get school punishments. I'd report how things are done nowadays, but I was in the last graduating class. Ruinous property tax increases were putting the gubmint's competition out of bidness.

    Recent changes to teen drivers license rules may be thwarting this, but wasn't there a trend a while back for "designated driver" hotlines for underage (sic) drinkers: call 555-xxxx if you need a ride home, no questions asked, that sort of thing? What this young lady did is admirable, IMNSHO.

    Kevin

  • General Butt Naked||

    Jay Carney getting absolutely fucking HAMMERED by Tommy Christopher.

    This is for all you naysayers that think journalists are firmly entrenched in Obama's ass.

  • Paul.||

    Ok, wait... I'm confused. Tommy Christopher "hammered" Jay Carney by demanding to know when the GOP was going to straighten up and fly right?

  • General Butt Naked||

    Epic, right?

    Seriously epic.

  • Christophe||

    I completely missed that bit of sarcasm.
    A+

  • Robert||

    The article never explained what the policy violation was. Was it her being accused of drinking?

  • Dave Krueger||

    Zero tolerance is another name for zero intelligence. They are designed to eliminate the need to think. And, in that regard, they seem to work quite well.

  • thorax232||

    Wow, superintendent is an idiot.

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