Finally: An "Unstoppable Muscle Tee" featuring...Ayn Rand?

From Forever 21. Product description:

A muscle tee featuring an Ayd Rand quote graphic which reads "The questions isn't who is going to let me, it's who is going to stop me". Round neckline. Oversized armholes. Raw cut trim. Knit. Lightweight.

Get yours now because unless that quote is licensed, Forever 21 is probably gonna get sued.

Reason on Ayn Rand.

Hat tip (forgive Miss Rand): Tessa Shanks

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  • MJGreen||

    "You've got the shinning!"

    "You mean shining."

    "Shh, boy, do you want to get sued?"

  • Paul.||

    Huh, wasn't familiar with that quote from Ayn Rand, and I've read my share.

    I like it though. Always good for starting a conversation about why certain rights are inalienable.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Well, there's a quote that means something in context probably not understood by most wearers of the shirt.

  • Almanian!||

    I'm thinking the same thing applies to all the DB's wearing Che t-shirts.

  • Pro Libertate||

    True.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    Yeah, out of context, it seems like a "might makes right" sort of message that fits in more with Big Man government than libertarianism.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    At least it isn't ironic like selling a Che shirt.

  • Paul.||

    It might be ironic to her.

  • sarcasmic||

    If it gets pulled because they don't have permission to use the quote, then it will be totally ironic.

  • Almanian!||

    -1 permission

  • db||

    chmod go+r-wx ayn_rand_quotes.txt

  • sarcasmic||

    One time I prank called the computer lab at school. Guy answers and I said "Yo mamma's so loose her chmod is 777!" and hung up.

  • ||

    That was you?

  • Andrew S.||

    NERRRRRRRD!

    (ok I laughed)

  • Stormy Dragon||

    You mean 0777. 777 would be rw---x--x with the sticky bit set.

  • JD the elder||

    Uh, no. You don't have to specify the first field.

    cronos:tmp$ touch foo ; chmod 777 foo ; ls -l foo
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 jdweiner users 0 Oct 10 18:54 foo*


    Unless you were nitpicking on the difference between "chmod" and "permission mode bits". It did strike me that saying "her chmod is 777" isn't really right, since chmod is more like a verb than a noun, but...now we're well and truly into overanalyzing this joke.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    How long do you have to go before you can put a historical figure's quote on a T-shirt?

    I mean, will I get sued by the Jefferson estate for a Tree of Liberty quote on a shirt?

  • Almanian!||

    My lawyer will be calling you...

  • Banjos||

    70 years after their death.

  • Banjos||

    Assuming it was copyrighted.

  • Sigivald||

    Everything you produce as a creative work is inherently copyrighted.

    Doesn't need to be registered or filed, and it doesn't need to be published, either.

    (Those help for proving it's yours, naturally, but are not legally necessary.)

  • robc||

    Assuming Disney doesnt get it extended again.

  • sarcasmic||

    Assuming Disney doesnt get it extended again.

    I heard something about that. They're pushing for 90 years or something. Can't let just anyone use Mickey's likeness! No fucking way! The sky would fall!

  • Brett L||

    Why don't we just say, life of the author plus 20, except Disney? That's fine with me.

  • Zeb||

    I don't really see why it should extend beyond the life of the author. If the purpose of copyright is to ensure that creators can make some money off of their creations.

  • kinnath||

    Setting aside the legitimacy of IP for a moment. If I can pass my house to my heirs, why can't I pass my copyrights to my heirs?

    So if IP is real, it should be forever. If it not real, then it's not real ;-)

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

    That seems to be setting up a false all-or-nothing choice. There could be multiple types of real property.

  • kinnath||

    It's not a false choice. Society (rightly or wrongly) taxes the shit out of inheritances to limit the amount of real property that gets transmitted from one generation to the next.

    The current regime is that IP is real up until the day it's not.

    A better regime, in my opinion, is that IP is always real and is subject to property taxes like other real properties. If you want the state to protect your IP, you need to pay taxes to the state.

    If Disney wants to cough up $100M a year to protect its $1B a year in profits from Mickey Mouse, they should be able to do that for as long as they want.

  • Zeb||

    Well, the way I look at it, it's not real property. That's why it's called "intellectual property" and not just "property". It's a practical measure to encourage people to come up with new ideas. I'm not totally against IP (when I'm in practical politics mode), but I think it is just an invention.

  • R C Dean||

    Not to mention that there are any number of types of real property that are either time-limited or are "personal" to an individual and can't be inherited.

  • SIV||

    What if the creator transfers the rights to you and then promptly croaks?

  • Zeb||

    Well, maybe it should be for a fixed period that has nothing to do with the life of the author.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    Yeah, because having all IP expire immediately on the death of the creator doesn't create any sort of perverse incentive.

  • Zeb||

    It's like I responded to you before you even made your comment. But I really don't see how it is more of an incentive to murder someone than regular property would be. If someone has $1000 in their pocket and I murder them, I can get $1000. If I murder some famous author and start publishing their works, I probably won't do so well because everyone else can do so as well.

  • Sigivald||

    Some of them ahve this crazy idea that their estate might want to have value beyond their death.

    Which is not obviously unreasonable.

    I'd tend to say "Life of author or NN years" (where NN is in the 30-50 range), whichever is longer.

    That way when Joe Author dies young his kids aren't left without an inheritance, say.

    (Hell, remember - people are assholes and they game systems.

    If someone eventually stands to gain significantly from Joe Owner dying young, well... Joe Owner might get a little help at some point.

    A 30-50 year minimum reduces that significantly.)

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    Did you get Darth Peikoff's permission to use that name for your handle?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Um...NO!

    *looks around nervously*

  • RBS||

    Someone isn't getting invited to the next Atlas Society get together.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Speaking of which, I just got a free book in the mail from the "Atlas Network" called Why Liberty.

    Hadn't heard of that one. Reason must be whoring out my address.

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

    You got a free book? I all I get is reports on what the foundation is doing and more fundraising material.

  • Almanian!||

    Yeah, I got that, too.

    I thought it was from Obama! Cause - free shit...

  • RBS||

    Yall got books? I always get the more fringe APOCALYPSE IS COMING stuff.

  • Brandybuck||

    They can't pull it because it's well within the boundaries of fair use. But I fully expect some attempts at it from her Randroid heirs. Ms. Rand was a great thinker, but as a mortal human she was fallible. On the topic of intellectual property she was just plain wrong.

  • db||

    Unless the Objectivists stop them from selling it.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Let the IP storm once again be unleashed on H ampersand R.

  • Almanian!||

    Not until we're done with the circumcision/pizza/craft beer jerk fest

  • Anonymous Coward||

    I thought the pizza debate was settled. Deep dish nothing but lasagna in a round pan, and thin-crust pizza is the pinnacle of human achievement.

  • Almanian!||

    Well, yeah, but - the EEJITS still don't get that.

    You and me - sure. Epi? I think he's still a Chicagoweenie.

  • ||

    Did somebody say something about Petrus sour ale and thin crust pizza? With pepperoni and foreskins for toppings?

  • Almanian!||

    I didn't even have time to post, "Epi in 3....2....."

  • ||

    Now I'm hungry!!!

  • Almanian!||

    MMmmmmmm....Chick-Fil-A

  • RBS||

    Lights Stormy signal

  • Anonymous Coward||

    I'm going to go buy a thin-crust with pepperoni, sausage, hamburger, and Canadian bacon, from the local chain and eat it in Epi's honor.

  • SugarFree||

    Don't forget pineapple. Pineapple is Epi's favorite pizza topping.

  • ||

    I'LL KILL YOU!!!

    (loads syringe with 100x the proper dose of insulin)

  • SugarFree||

    He also likes his pizza with a side of extra creamy butthurt dipping sauce.

  • db||

    If you strike his sugar levels down now, he will become sweeter than you can possibly imagine.

  • ||

    Mmmmm Canadian Bacon and Pineapple.

  • Brandybuck||

    I always order Canadian Bacon and Pineapple! I tell all my friends "I'm buying!", because they hate it so I can have it all. It's almost as good as anchovies in that regard.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I'm going to wear that next Mac Day.

  • Paul.||

    Mac Day?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Or, for the YouTube oriented. (I'm not signing into YouTube so I don't know if that video actually plays.)

  • ||

    Country Mac was genius. Kudos to Seann William Scott for pulling that off.

  • Paul.||

    Yes, I found that video, but I'm not signed in... I'm signing in now.

    I read the text but it was a little complicated and I came away asking more questions-- it was like reading the rules to whackbat.

  • Paul.||

    I get it now. The opening of that show reminds me of the opening to WKRP in Cincinnati.

  • Paul.||

    Huh, Mac Day...

  • ||

    Oh Paul. I am disappoint.

  • Hugh Akston||

    Why would you be disappointed in Paul? Fisty's the one watching that retarded show.

  • Paul.||

    Why would you be disappointed in Paul?

    So many reasons, so little time.

  • Leigh||

    I get a we're sorry, that item is no longer available at that link. Boy, that was fast.

  • sarcasmic||

    Freedom means asking permission and obeying orders.

  • Paul.||

    No, freedom means getting free shit.

  • Paul.||

    "rights" are asking for permission.

  • Moe19||

    That shirt, you didn't buy that.

  • Hugh Akston||

    I like that the attribution is on there. It will cause much butthurt for people to learn that Ayn Rand said something (many things actually) empowering. Of course then they will just switch to Community Mode and declare her unmutual.

  • Almanian!||

    SHE TOOK SOCIAL SECURITY! THEREFORE, EVERYTHING SHE EVER SAID IS BULLLLLLLLSHIT!

    I WIN HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    /tard

  • SIV||

    I'd wear a shirt with that on it!

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    Get yours now because unless that quote is licensed, Forever 21 is probably gonna get sued.

    Can someone explain this to me? I thought you can quote someone as long as you gave the author credit, which they do here.

  • Almanian!||

    "Because fuck you, that's why." - Nancy "Shitstain" Pelosi

  • Hugh Akston||

    I imagine that the law treats quoting something in a scholarly work a little differently than merchandising the quote for retail sale.

  • Zeb||

    Just say that the shirt is a scholarly work. Problem solved.

  • Almanian!||

    I think we know "whos' going to stop" you. And the reason - FYTW. Got it all figgered out. kthxbai, Ayn!

  • Warty||

    The shirt's awesome, but summer's over. What's the point of having my guns out if the sun's not out?

  • Brett L||

    This is what you get for living in some horrible place where you don' get 300 days of sun a year.

  • Killazontherun||

    Thermal underwear with the sleeveless shirt on top should be enough for the bitches to know you got the definition they're after.

    Beefcake!

  • ||

    You could move someplace that has no seasons. I hear LA is a good option for that.

  • Hugh Akston||

    Dude, do you really want Warty to move out here?

  • Brandybuck||

    He would still be 350 miles away me. [pulls out calculator, cranks the numbers]. I should be fine if I increase my average IBU intake by 5%.

  • Killazontherun||

    'That woman doesn't know she wants it, yet. But she will when I give it to her.'

    Rourke style.

    'Get's some ice for that lip, baby.'

    Bill Clinton style.

    'Woah, woah, what are you doing Teddy? I'm not just another bun on this sandwich.'

    Chris Dodd style.

  • oncogenesis||

    "The question is not when's he gonna stop, but who is gonna stop him."
    — DJ Super Soul

    Who's the plagiarist?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    "let" used to mean "stop"

    /pedant

  • ||

    See, there are female libertarians.

  • Loki||

    I can't believe we've made it this long in the comment thread without some saying the obvious re: the t-shirt model.

    I would hit that.

  • TheLoneCabbage||

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