Vikings Dump Left-Libertarian Chris Kluwe from the Team

Chris Kluwe sent me a selfieProvided by Chris KluweThe Minnesota Vikings Monday ousted Chris Kluwe as a punter, having picked up UCLA’s Jeff Locke as a fifth-round draft pick.

The move has prompted many in the media to wonder, “Was it because of his outspoken, self-described libertarian political leanings, his declaration that he voted for Gary Johnson, and his interest in post-scarcity anarchic utopias?”

Oh, just kidding. People are wondering if he got booted because of his activism in support of gay marriage. Les Carpenter at Yahoo! Sports presumes this is the likely case:

Kluwe never asked if it was his activism that cost him his job. The Vikings never offered the thought even as the answer loomed obvious to everyone else. Two football players have spoken loud for gay rights issues in the last several months, specifically gay marriage: Kluwe and [Ravens linebacker] Brendon Ayanbadejo. Both have been cut. And while you could argue Ayanbadejo was a financial casualty for a team desperate to get under the salary cap, Kluwe was a modest budget strain to the Vikings; he was scheduled to make $1.45 million in 2013. What happened to him makes little sense. Except it makes lots of sense.

"I don't know if I'll ever know," he said by phone on Monday after his meetings with general manager Rick Spielman and coach Leslie Frazier. "I'm not in the [organizational] meetings."

There is an idea in football that punters should be seen and not heard. Football coaches are men who were raised as linemen and linebackers and running backs. They come from a world where the punter is an annual story in the local newspaper and not an Internet sensation doing photo shoots for Out Magazine. They despise controversy.

Carpenter’s analysis was oddly missing any sort of statistical data to shore up the argument that Kluwe’s performance played no role in the team’s decision to release him. In fact, not a few pieces were written in this vein. Kevin Seifert at ESPN, though, gave some hard data and theorized that Kluwe probably would have been dumped anyway, but his side activism didn’t help:

I just don't think it's that simple. When viewed through the bigger picture of NFL business, and in the context of the Vikings' personnel approach over the past 16 months, you realize that Kluwe's off-field life was at best the final shove at the end of the plank.


The facts:

  • Kluwe finished 2012 ranked No. 31 among NFL punters in a statistic the Vikings value highly: punts downed inside the 20. Of Kluwe's 72 punts, 18 settled in what the league considers poor field position. By comparison, the Chicago Bears' Adam Podlesh nearly doubled Kluwe's total among his 81 punts. Podlesh finished with 34, while Green Bay Packers punter Tim Masthay had 30 in 70 punts.
  • Kluwe set a career high with a 39.9-yard net average, but that mark still ranked in the lower half (No. 18 overall) among punters.
  • In a relatively flat salary-cap era, the Vikings had an opportunity for significant savings. Because of a rarely needed NFL rule, Kluwe has no acceleration remaining on his six-year deal. Thus, all of his projected $1.45 million cap figure has been erased. His replacement, Jeff Locke, will count about a third of that total. In two years, in fact, the Vikings have shaved 23 years off the combined age of their punter and place-kicker and have lowered their cap commitment for those roles by two-thirds.


So in cold business terms, the Vikings had a 31-year-old punter who turned in a below-average performance last season and was entering the final year of his contract. They had several options, including keeping Kluwe for one more season, before deciding whether to re-sign him.

Seifert goes on to explain that Kluwe’s activism advocacy gave the impression that he wasn’t fully focused on his career, even if it wasn’t true, and that may have been the final straw, not the whole bale:

Kluwe made a true and real impact on a national issue, one so significant that NBA player Jason Collins thanked him by name last week when announcing he is gay. Those efforts didn't cost Kluwe his job Monday, but they eliminated any chance for saving it.

Statistically, dumping older players for rookies is actually going to be more likely to increase support for gay issues and possibly libertarian tendencies as well among NFL players. The latest polls show that 70 percent of millennials support gay marriage recognition, and a large chunk of them now have a deep distrust for federal government. Kluwe and Ayanbadejo opened some doors that won’t be closing behind them, even if they don’t get picked up by other teams.

My interview with Kluwe back in December is here. Kluwe also a has a book coming out in June, Beautifully Unique Sparkleponies: On Myths, Morons, Free Speech, Football, and Assorted Absurdities.

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  • Chaucer||

    I figured it was most likely because he was a shitty punter.

  • deified||

    Oh, just kidding. People are wondering if he got booted because of his activism in support of gay marriage.

    The media's obsessed with butt-fucking. And who can blame them? IT. IS. AWESOME. (from what I've heard) [no homo] {NTTAWWT}

  • Drax the Destroyer||

    You can butt-fuck a woman. Some like it. Most of those who like it seem to be porn stars who were probably violated as children...so be aware of that.

  • deified||

    After the scandal involving widespread traumatic brain injuries in professional football, President Obama publicly converted our national pastime into anal sex--a move that met with universal approval. For the first time in my adult life, I was proud to be an American.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Kluwe was way too inconsistant. When you rely on your running game, you rely on your punter. Are we fucking seriously going to start questioning every gay release. Maybe he was cut because he was white? But seriously, I don't see how this sort of hand wringing helps the gay movement at all. Are you going to draft an openly gay player knowing that if he sucks and you drop him you're going to be put through the media ringer?

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    gay release

    snicker snicker

  • ||

    Vikes fan here, he ain't what he used to be.

    31 out of 32 for punts inside the 20. Yes, a lot of the punting game has to do with coverage, but they drafted the top punter in the draft for a third of the price. Don't know what a top punter gets in the league, but $1.5 million is too much for what he brought to the table IMO.

    Don't let that stop you from spreading the narrative though.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Don't know what a top punter gets in the league, but $1.5 million is too much for what he brought to the table IMO.

    And that's really what this is all about. Punters are a dime a dozen in the NFL, and unless Kluwe was doing kickoffs and/or long field goals as well, no team is going to pay $1.5 million to a one-trick pony for very long.

    Carpenter is being deliberately obtuse by acting like he's been asleep for the past two seasons so he can bring the "I REELY LURV TEH GAYZ" SWPL status-signaling that's fashionable among the sportswriter set right now. Kluwe's had his filter off for a while and the Vikes would have cut him at any point in that time frame if he said anything the brass felt was truly embarrassing to the organization. The fact they stuck with him as long as they did shows how tolerant the organization actually is of free speech.

  • Greg F||

    ... no team is going to pay $1.5 million to a one-trick pony for very long.

    He would have been the 9th highest punter in the league.

  • ||

    The Vikes have a great tradition of turning out some interesting characters.

    My all-time favorite NFL player is Robert Smith (not of The Cure).

  • Chaucer||

    And who can forget the love boat? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....ty_scandal

  • ||

    I know,!! I was, like, totally shocked & stuff that professional athletes like to party with lots of hot women.

  • John||

    Kristen,

    Have you seen the Ryan Lochtie reality show? If you haven't watch it. It is my wife's guilty pleasure. It is like a male version of the old Jessica Simpson show. He is dumb as a post and the biggest mimbo in the entire country. It is such a train wreck yet oddly compelling. And if you are a chick, at least according to my wife some serious lust Olympics.

  • ||

    I lasted about 20 seconds into that show. He is dumb as a box of rocks, not most certainly not hot. Hairless men are wrong, wrong, wrong. You know who is hot? That Scottish dude on the Scott's fertilizer commercials.

    This was hilarious, though.

  • John||

    My wife thinks he is smoking. But women I think have more varied tastes in men than men do in women.

    Dub as a box of rocks is an understatement. My first thought on seeing the show is that he and Jessica Simpson should get married and have kids just to see if they could produce the dumbest children on earth. It would be an interesting science experiment.

  • ||

    he and Jessica Simpson should get married and have kids just to see if they could produce the dumbest children on earth

    That is a reality show I would watch!

  • ||

    GIA!

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    The guy on the Scott's commercials is a moron. He blows his money on "non-fading mulch" and then leaves a giant, open bag of it sitting out in the middle of his yard all summer,

  • robc||

    Robert Smith (not of The Cure).

    I thought it was the same guy.

    But seriously, there are a lot of NFL guys with names the same as someone famous in another field, like Byron White the running back, who was once the highest paid player in the NFL and Byron White the Supreme Court Justice.

    Or O.J. Simpson the running back and O.J. Simpson the world-traveling detective.

  • albo||

    Byron White

    *Lucille Bluth skeptical look*

  • robc||

    Why the skeptical look.

    You know he played in the NFL before returning to law school right? Everyone knows this, right?

  • Pro Libertate||

    Not only did he play, he was very good. All-American in college, led the league in rushing his rookie year in the pros, etc.

  • B.P.||

    Go Buffs.

  • Almanian!||

    I had to do a double take...now I'm laughing.

    OJ - "I won't stop till I find the REAL Byron White!"

  • AlmightyJB||

    He was somewhat of a whiner when he played for the Buckeyes. Decent back though.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Robert Smith

  • Pro Libertate||

    I saw Robert Smith on a PBS program called Seeing in the Dark (based on the book by the same name). He's apparently really into telescopes and stargazing.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    So in cold business terms, the Vikings had a 31-year-old punter who turned in a below-average performance last season and was entering the final year of his contract.

    Hoisted with his own reportedly libertarian petard.

  • Aresen||

    So, now he's a dropped kicker?

  • Almanian!||

    Hey - keep it on your own 110 yard field, eh?

  • albo||

    3 downs. The Rouge. Crazy motion.

    *shivver in disgust*

  • Almanian!||

    Toronto Argonauts
    Hamilton Tiger Cats
    Calgary Rough Riders(tm)
    Prince Edward Island Black Bears
    Saskatoon Poon Riders.

    OK, I made up that last two.

    Still - those are some fucked up names for a football team. The hell?

  • robc||

    The other Rough Riders went away, is that correct?

  • ||

    I actually just read a couple of days ago that Ottawa (where the other Rough Riders were) has a new expansion team. Strangely they are unnamed and so are currently going by the moniker "Red & Black". Then again we're talking about a league that once had a team with the official name of the "Baltimore Football Club", although there were legal reasons for that nonsense.

  • ||

    Calgary is the Stampeders, Saskatchewan is the Rough Riders

  • ||

    I always loved the anecdote from Chuck Klosterman about Canadian Football

    Basically he said "let's say you look 5 years into the future and you see yourself watching a CFL game, you have a CFL jersey on, and pennants of CFL teams all over your living room. You are clearly obsessed with Canadian Football in 5 years. Tomorrow, you will turn on the TV and just happen to stumble across a CFL game. Knowing your future, does this make you want to watch the game more or less?"

  • robc||

    I like the 25 yard end zones though.

  • John||

    The sports media can go fuck themselves. If he had been a conservative Christian who was against gay marriage, they would all be applauding this and celebrating the Vikings for not tolerating an environment of hate on their team.

    Instead a shitty punter who happens to be pro gay marriage, gets cut and the media immediately demands an inquiry to determine if the team's motives were anything but pure. Whatever.

  • deified||

    In fairness, he's a lot less crappy at punting than Jason Collins is at basketball.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    Too bad there are no jobs for backup punters.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    He's not a shitty punter, just not one of the 32 best in the country.

  • mnarayan||

    Pretty sure he is. It's just not clear whether he's worth $1 million more than the 40th best in the country (numbers made up).

  • Obese American||

    So we're still keeping up the myth of something called "left-libertarianism"? Gotcha.

  • Lord Peter Wimsey||

    But Obese American, oxymorons are important. And "left-libertarian" is one of my favorites. Always gives me a chuckle.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Football coaches are men who were raised as linemen and linebackers and running backs.

    Yeah, sure. And they like winning. They like winning enough to put up with a substantial amount of aggravation from somebody who can help them win football games.

  • John||

    Amazingly enough, the better producer you are the more bullshit your boss will put up from you. What a shocking concept.

  • From the Tundra||

    Or, if you're really hurting at a particular spot. See Cook, Chris.

  • NoVAHockey||

    I know!

    /Big Ben

  • The Late P Brooks||

    One of my all time favorite NFL players, a Vike, was Alan Page. That guy was awesome on the field, and went on to be awesome in real life.

  • From the Tundra||

    I grew up watching Page, Eller, Tarkenton and the rest. My favorite, then and now, is Chuck Foreman. A beast of a player and a great guy.

  • Almanian!||

    He was a lawyer after he retired, IIRC. I was a big fan of the Vikes of that era (Tarkenton, Page, Chuck Foreman et al). Cause, y'know, the Lions SUCKED.

    I was crushed when they lost every Super Bowl they were in!

  • From the Tundra||

    He is a lawyer. Also a MN Supreme Court justice

  • Almanian!||

    wow - the man has done it all!

  • John||

    They really were the second best team every year. Unlike the Bills who after their first year were not even close to being the second best team but benefited from the AFC being so down. If you look at their four loses, they lost to two dynasty teams (Miami and Pittsburgh) and two great teams who had been good for years and finally had their year (Kansas City and Oakland). They really had bad luck in the years they went.

  • Almanian!||

    YEah, I just DIED watching those games. But you're right - they were up against some juggernauts that were not going to be denied in that particular year.

  • From the Tundra||

    Shit, I'd just be happy for another opportunity to lose a SB...

  • Almanian!||

    *AHEM*

    I'd just be happy to have my favorite team do more than HOST one Super Bowl someday.

    /Lions

  • Almanian!||

    Oh - plus, Bud Grant FTW. He was a FOOTBALL coach, right out of Hollywood.

  • From the Tundra||

    No sideline heaters for Bud's teams!

  • Almanian!||

    He always wore the knit cap or a baseball cap with the logo, a purple jacket. I thought he was the shit.

    Of course, at the other end of the spectrum, I had the utmost respect for Tom Landry and his suit and hat. He was also a damned good coach.

  • From the Tundra||

    Landry was a stud. I really have good memories of football in that era. I remember ordering football books almost weekly at school. I had one on Ken Stabler that I must have read a dozen times. Those guys seemed more epic, somehow

  • John||

    Landry was a genius. Read North Dallas Forty sometime. Even though Peter Gent never understood or liked Landry, even he admitted that his game plans were flawless. Even today, most guys who work in the NFL would be teaching PE if they hadn't had a talent for football and an interest in coaching. But occasionally someone who is really smart and could have succeeded in any field comes along. And then they do, they do quite well.

  • Almanian!||

    I agree. The game just doesn't interest me much any more. Back then - Sunday was LIFE AND DEATH! And Monday Night? We'll never have another Howard, Frank and Dandy Don.

    "Turn out the lights....the party's over....."

  • John||

    I really think it is the money. In the 1970s the players who played it were more middle class. It was less corporate and more genuine. Good for them for making millions now. I can't blame them. But I think the influx of money hurt the product.

  • John||

    Dandy Don lived a hell of a life. Football star at SMU and the Cowboys. Then he was a broadcast star and made enough money to retire to the mountains in style. He used to say no matter how many injuries it left him he would always love football because it allowed him to spend his entire life and never once have to get a job. You have to admire that.

  • Tak Kak||

    Interest in "post-scarcity anarchic utopias" definitely should be up (down?) there with poor performance though.

  • ||

    This guy wouldn't have lasted five minutes under Belichick. It's not about the viewpoint. It's about the distraction.

  • Sevo||

    Why not here? OT:
    "Web sales tax faces tough sell
    Bill heads to House, where some consider it a tax increase."

    No! Really?! How could anyone come to that conclusion?!
    http://www.sfgate.com/business.....493690.php

  • SugarFree||

    I am so sick of reading you guys yammering about fucking hockey.

  • Almanian!||

    Try curling

    Dumbass!

  • ||

    But doesn't it distract you from how much the Wildcats suck?

  • SugarFree||

    The slightly more South will rise again.

  • ||

    To NutraSweet, the War of Basketball Aggression never ended. He blames Gonzaga.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Given that they crushed the opposition just one year ago, I think it's probably not bothering him that much.

  • NoVAHockey||

    I haven't even started today.

    Dear Penguins,

    Fucking hit someone. Particularly Okposo.

    Sincerely,
    NoVa

  • RBS||

    When the NHL playoffs, Yahoo! Sports and terrorism collide...

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/.....08757.html

  • NoVAHockey||

    actually, the ribbon makes sense for Toronto.

  • RBS||

    That whole article pissed me off. When did sports writers become so damn whiny? And is everything off limits now?

  • NoVAHockey||

    Wyshynski is a Devils fan.

  • RBS||

    I don't know much about hockey rivalries so does that mean he automatically hates everything Toronto?

  • NoVAHockey||

    nope, just that's he's whiny

  • Auric Demonocles||

    TIL losing 5-2 makes you stronger.

  • General Butt Naked||

    We need orpik back. Hopefully he ain't slowed down and soft from age and injury.

    He'll do all the hitting if need be.

  • NoVAHockey||

    he practiced yesterday and skated this morning. no idea what that means.

  • Ted S.||

    They don't need to hit anybody. Crosby can just take dives in OT and get penalties called on the opposing team.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Sorry, but this is nonsense. You don't spend a 5th round pick on a punter so he can go play for another team. Locke was the first kicker taken in the draft.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Locke was the first kicker taken in the draft.

    I'm confused how that happened. The Pats picked up a punter undrafted, Ryan Allen. He won the Ray Guy award the past two years.

  • Mike M.||

    Total non-story. NFL teams will put Lenin's corpse on the roster if they think it'll improve them and give them a better chance to win for Pete's sake.

    And they don't really give a crap if a player is more patriotic than Paul Revere, if they can replace him with someone they think is better, he's gone.

  • John||

    The sign wife beaters all of the time. There was a linebacker for the Rams a few years ago who killed someone in a drunk driving accident. He got probation and was playing in the league the next fall.

  • radar||

    That would be Leonard Little.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    Exactly. Kluwe's been screwing around with political stuff in tweets/marking his uniform for years.

  • Legate Damar||

    Yet (and this kills me every week) they won't hire a smart 17 year old who plays way too much Madden to advise them on end-of-half and end-of-game situations. Some coaches (I'm looking at you, entire NFC East) fuck this up week after week after week. Belichick has an "advisor", but is the rest of the league smart enough to hire one? NO. But if Belichick starts using 2 tight ends then its OMG MUST HAVE MOAR TITE ENZ.

  • RBS||

    Hahaha, the NFL is such a copy cat league I'm surprised all the teams don't have advisors like that. Maybe that will be next after everyone gets their own Cam Newton/Colin Kaepernick/Russel Wilson.

  • John||

    As I said above Damar, if they were not in the NFL most of these guys would be teaching PE somewhere.

    The entry barriers to being an NFL coach are huge. All of them were at least small college players. You have to be pretty talented physically to even play small college ball. So lots of smart people never have a chance. So you start out with a very small pool, not all of the people you get are going to be super smart.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Frigging coaches punting inside the 50 with less than 2 yards to go...

  • BakedPenguin||

    Kluwe deserves respect for penning “I can assure you that gay people getting married will have zero effect on your life. ...They won't magically turn you into a lustful cockmonster.”

  • Fatty Bolger||

    But I might have to sell them flowers! The horror... the horror...

  • sam the man||

    You shouldn't have to.

  • Virginian||

    So I read that Charles Woodson, Brian Urlacher, and Dwight Freeney are all free agents right now, and no one has signed them.

    Is that crazy or what?

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    Not sure about the others, but Urlacher isn't what he used to be and turned down a fairly generous offer from the Bears, an offer he won't get from anyone else.

  • John||

    Urlacher's knees are shot.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    They are all still good, and probably worthy of being starters or at least situational guys, but they would need to accept smaller salaries (and roles).

  • John||

    The salary cap. People have figured out that older players are not worth the money. If Urlacher is healthy, someone will sign him. But I think Freeney and Woodson might be done. Both of them are over 35. Hard to play in the NFL at 30.

  • Mike M.||

    It's hard for me to believe that Woodson is turning 37 in a few months. As great as he is, at that age with that much mileage a guy can fall right off the cliff at pretty much any moment.

  • John||

    And he is not just a cover corner. He is a pretty physical player who also returned kicks. He has to have a ton of wear and tear on his body.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Yeah. If I remember right, Rod Woodson made his last pro-bowl at about that age - and then was out of the league a year or two later.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    Vikings fans are wishing Christian Ponder had come out in favor of gay marriage...

  • Brett L||

    Just to be clear, the Vikings think Ponder will do them better than drafting Geno Smith at the bottom of the 1st round. I thought for sure he got one good year of money and a hot wife and he'd be back in Tallahassee or Texas selling used cars. Some people, the Gods do love more than others. (Also, objectively, no way he should be QBing when Tebow is on waivers.)

  • John||

    Having watched Geno Smith in college, I will be shocked if he pans out. He is a classic system quarterback. He ran up huge numbers against bad teams but looked very average against good teams. And he had a receiver who was picked number 8 in the draft.

    His completion percentage was good. But that is deceiving. He threw a ton of screen passes. His completion percentage on passes over five yards is much lower.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I'm not saying that Ponder is good, but he still completes 10% more of his passes than Tebow. That's a bigger gap than between Ponder and Peyton.

  • John||

    But Tebow makes plays with his legs that Ponder doesn't. Having a low completion percentage is less of a problem if you can run than it is if you can't.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    So if he was 1-2% lower it might be the same. Not at 10%.

  • Brett L||

    Depends on the first down percentage. Make all the 4 yard dumps on 3rd and 6 you want. Or throw incompletions on 1st and 10 and run for the first on 3rd down.

  • John||

    But the threat of running totally changes the defense. Tebow's running, in contrast to Ponder's incompletions also eat up clock and make it easier for your defense. And most importantly, Ponder turns the ball over while Tebow doesn't.

    If your quarterback turns the ball over, you have no chance. Minnesota would be better off with Tebow than Ponder. Tebow and Adrian Peterson would terrify defenses. But he NFL is so staid and so predictable that that will never happened. So instead, Minnisota signed Matt Cassle who is probably worse than Ponder, if that is possible and will continue to stay away from that stupid Tebow offense and instead run the smart NFL offense consisting of two Peterson runs up the middle followed by a Ponder incompletion and a punt.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Minnisota ... will continue to stay away from that stupid Tebow offense and instead run the smart NFL offense consisting of two Peterson runs up the middle followed by a Ponder incompletion and a punt.

    Your alternative is to instead run it twice with Tebow, then have him throw an incompletion. So you're replacing Adrian Peterson on running plays with something that can't run as well as him, and Christian Ponder on throwing plays with someone that can't throw as well as him.

    FYI: Two Peterson runs in a row from last year will, on average, be a first down.

  • John||

    No one is replacing Peterson. The threat of Tebow running makes Peterson that much more effective. Someone has to tackle Tebow and that player can't tackle Peterson. And running the option allows the quarterback to effectively block the guy who is assigned to tackle him. It gives the offense one extra blocker. Lots of wildly effective runners have put up huge numbers using the option. The option has always been effective. It just hasn't been used in the NFL out of habit and because there are few quarterbacks big enough to take the punishment to play it in the NFL. Tebow is the once in a generation player who can run the option at the NFL level and take the punishment.

    Here is the thing. If Peterson can put up nearly 2,000 yards with Ponder, who is a threat to do absolutely nothing beyond hand the ball off or turn it over, God only knows what he could do in an offense that had Tebow who would actually command the attention of the defense.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    God only knows what he could do in an offense that had Tebow who would actually command the attention of the defense.

    LMAO. Yes, the way to distract a defense from the run game is put another potential (but far, far inferior) runner on the field, and not to punish them for stacking the box by passing.

    Tebow is the once in a generation player

    Alright, I'm going to stop having this argument with you now. We've gone over it before, but if this is the way you feel there is no point in discussion. We are way too far apart.

  • John||

    Tebow is a once in a generation athlete. Most option QBs are not as big as he is or as fast and thus couldn't take the punishment.

    Here is the thing, what would Minnisota have to lose? You know that with Ponder they will be lucky to win 10 games and will not win a game in the playoffs, I don't care if Peterson runs for 2500 yards. You are not going anywhere with Ponder. And you might go somewhere with Tebow. Denver did. Tebow won a playoff game as a starter. And I think every Minnesota fan would agree that Ponder is very unlikely ever to win a playoff game.

  • Ted S.||

    As a Packer fan, I'd love to see Tim Tebow on the Vikings.

  • Ted S.||

    This Packer fan would be thrilled to see the disaster that is Tim Tebow as the Vikings QB.

  • Ted S.||

    Sorry for the double post. My computer froze up while I posting the first comment, and when I rebooted, it didn't show up. So I post the second time, and the browser shows all the comments that were posted since the computer freeze-up.

  • Sidd Finch||

    Tebow is the once in a generation player who can run the option at the NFL level and take the punishment.

    This is full retard. Cam Newton is every bit as big and tough and is better in every possible way.

    And even if it was true, you're going to design an offense around one person on earth capable of running it? What are you going to do with a bunch of blocking TE/HBs and WRs if he gets hurt?

  • John||

    This is full retard. Cam Newton is every bit as big and tough and is better in every possible way.

    Except that Cam Newton has a 90 IQ and doesn't understand how to run any offense let alone a pro one. Yeah, Cam Newton is an incredible athlete. A freak among freaks. And that was great for about 10 games, right up until defenses adjusted to his athletic ability and he had to start actually running and offense and thinking and doing something besides reacting.

    If you think Cam Newton is ever going to live up to his potential, you don't understand football.

  • Sidd Finch||

    Except that Cam Newton has a 90 IQ and doesn't understand how to run any offense let alone a pro one.

    Newton's Wonderlic was one point lower than Tebow's.

    And that was great for about 10 games, right up until defenses adjusted to his athletic ability and he had to start actually running and offense and thinking and doing something besides reacting.

    This is the exact opposite of reality. Newton did better later last season as the OC went to a more traditional offense.

    If you think Cam Newton is ever going to live up to his potential, you don't understand football.

    Cam Newton, right now, is twice the quarterback Tebow is.

  • John||

    And even if it was true, you're going to design an offense around one person on earth capable of running it? What are you going to do with a bunch of blocking TE/HBs and WRs if he gets hurt?

    Seemed to work well for Washington and the 40ers last year. Do you guys even watch the games? Did you miss the spread option that was being run?

  • Sidd Finch||

    Seemed to work well for Washington and the 40ers last year.

    Well, they have quarterbacks who do traditional quarterback things, like throwing.

  • John||

    LMAO. Yes, the way to distract a defense from the run game is put another potential (but far, far inferior) runner on the field, and not to punish them for stacking the box by passing.

    LMAO Did you even watch any games last year besides Vikings games? Did you see how much more effective San Fransisco and Washington's running games were because of Kepernick and RGIII? That wasn't because those guys can pass, even though they can do that. It was because the read option is nearly impossible to stop if run well. Washington ran the read option all year. RGII wasn't really that good of a passer as a rookie. But he was a remarkable player and extremely effective because he can run so well.

    There is such an offense called the spread option. And it existed before Tebow. And it has been run effectively for years at all levels of football even as of late the NFL.

    If you want to be smug, try knowing just a little bit about what you are talking about first.

  • Sidd Finch||

    That wasn't because those guys can pass,

    I was wrong earlier. This is full retard.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    If you want to be smug, try knowing just a little bit about what you are talking about first.

    You do realize you just said this:

    RGII wasn't really that good of a passer as a rookie.

    Don't you? His passer rating was 102 and he completed 65% of his passes.

  • Sidd Finch||

    It's funny. I think John has said one not-crazy thing in this thread: RGIII really wasn't that good of a passer. But the one thing he's been correct about completely undermines his larger point about using the read option when the D is stacking the box.

    To be fair though, it's possible he's a visitor from a slightly different dimension. One where one Wonderlic point is the difference between too stupid to run an offense at any level and a once in a generation player. One where the solution to an unbalanced offense is to make it a historically unbalanced offense.

  • Greg F||

    Wonderlic scores don't mean a whole lot when it comes to quarterbacks. Hall of Fame QB's Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, and Terry Bradshaw had a Wonderlic score of 15. Tebow's Wonderlic score of 22 does nothing to mitigate the fact that he can't throw.

  • ||

    1. I like that his replacement is surnamed "Locke"

    2. For people who know anything about pro football, how likely is he to get picked up by another team?

  • RBS||

    He'll probably wind up in someone's training camp this summer.

  • John||

    He will. Or he will get picked up after an injury to another punter. Punters are totally fungible. They don't have to know an offensive or defensive scheme. They just have to show up and punt.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Can he drop-kick?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    And even though he was cut here, he still is probably one of the best 32 punters out there. He just isn't the top 10, or worth the salary he was due.

  • NewWorldDan||

    He's good enough that he should have a team by August. Just not for the $1.45 million he's currently making. The Vikings used a late round draft pick to save a million a year and probably get the same net result. His numbers were better during his first few years in the league and it probably made sense when they re-signed him. But that's a top end salary for a punter that has been middle of the pack the last few years.

    No one but collumnists with a deadline to fill seem to think this was anything but a cost savings for the Vikings. If anything, Kluwe was attracting viewers who otherwise had no interest in football.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    It was from a group of people that love football, but the NFL subreddit is nuts for the guy because he posts there sometimes. He was the second favorite Viking on there.

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