Doha Climate Change Conference Going Over the "Climate Cliff"?

The 18th Conference of the Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change is supposed to have wrapped by now. Apparently, the negotiations are going to go into the weekend. The "climate cliff" phrase in the headline was coined by Bill Hare, the former Greenpeace climate change spokesperson, who put together a couple of weeks back, the World Bank's widely reported study, "Turn Down the Heat: Why a 4C World Must be Avoided," that warned that the world is catastrophically on track to warm by 4.0 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit). The always objective Hare told The Guardian:

"We have a climate cliff … We're facing a carbon tsunami, actually, where huge amounts of carbon are now being emitted at a faster rate than ever. And it's that carbon tsunami that's likely to overwhelm the planet with warming, sea-level rise and acidifying the oceans."

As usual, the chief sticking point at the conference is how much money the rich countries are supposed to give the poor countries as climate change compensation. Back in 2009, at the failed Copenhagen climate change conference the Obama administration cobbled together a vague promise that the rich countries would give away $100 billion annually in climate compensation by 2020. At Doha, the kleptocrats who run poor countries want the rich countries to promise that the aid will be in the form of grants delivered directly to their coffers - loans and private investments will not be counted. 

Also still hanging fire at the conference is whether or not the world's only climate treaty, the Kyoto Protocol, will be continued. Already, Russia, Canada, and Japan have dropped out of it. The betting is that the European Union will let some weak version of it survive in order to avoid diplomat embarassment (and protect the jobs of bureaucrats that administer it). As background, the price for an allowance to emit ton of carbon dioxide has fallen from 20€ in 2008 to under 7€ today on the European Union's Emissions Trading Scheme market.

Finally, at earlier conferences, negotiators agreed to negotiate some kind of "legally-binding" global climate change treaty that would encompass the emissions of fast developing countries like China and india by 2015 that would go into effect by 2020. Apparently, the Chinese are still trying to get out of that obligation.

Will update as (and if) news happens.

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  • LTC(ret) John||

    "Apparently, the Chinese are still trying to get out of that obligation."

    If by "get out" you mean - totally ignore/disregard/not accept then you would be spot on.

  • R C Dean||

    Anybody who latches on to the braindead meme of the day (e.g. "cliff") has zero credibility with me.

    Get a brain, moran.

  • SugarFree||

    There's a tsunami of heat bearing down on the world like a blizzard!

  • $park¥||

    WE'RE ALLLL GONNA DIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!111!1!11!!11111!

  • ||

    ... and taxes will be collected.

  • ||

    "We're about to sail into a shit typhoon, Randy, so we'd better haul in the jib before it gets covered with shit."

  • Average Dude||

    "Ey, ey, Mr. Lahey."

  • wareagle||

    these people are proof that peak retard exists:
    --if the 4 degree increase "must be avoided", how the hell does that get done legislatively?
    --do the proponents really think that people do not see the idea of compensation to poor countries as a shakedown?
    --when does some American leader finally call bullshit on the UN as a productive entity and tell it to find a new host?

  • SugarFree||

    We'll never get rid of the UN. It's a way for liberal dipshits to feel connected to Europe without having to move there and leaving the rest of us alone.

  • $park¥||

    Way to butcher that sentence. I thought you were a librarian.

  • ||

    HE'S AN ARCHIVIST GOD DAMN IT

  • Enough About Palin||

    *watches Sugarfree run from the room weeping*

  • SugarFree||

    Sorry. As I was typing your mom got a little rough with her teeth.

  • $park¥||

    Jokes on you, my mom doesn't have any teeth.

  • ||

    He's talking about her dentures; he's just an idiot who doesn't know the difference.

  • $park¥||

    Well that would be even weirder. Her dentures have the front four teeth on the top and bottom missing. I guess he's one of those bent-dick guys.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    Swinging a Bill Clintonian 4 inches?

  • sarcasmic||

    --if the 4 degree increase "must be avoided", how the hell does that get done legislatively?
    Using legislation to tax or otherwise outlaw carbon based energy. If the temps continue to rise then it was done too late, if temps stop rising then it worked.

    --do the proponents really think that people do not see the idea of compensation to poor countries as a shakedown?
    You do realize that poor countries are poor because they are oppressed by us rich countries. It's only fair that they be compensated for the damage that global corporations have wrought upon them, especially those dirty energy corporations.

    --when does some American leader finally call bullshit on the UN as a productive entity and tell it to find a new host?
    When the leader doesn't want to use the UN as a cloak of legitimacy for military action against countries like Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq... Syria ... IOW never.

  • wareagle||

    good god, I can almost here that Greenpeace twat saying exactly that.

  • sarcasmic||

    Every now and then I listen to the daytime NPR shows where liberal douchebag professors give speeches to promote their books that detail how wealth generating corporations are the root of all evil, and how government imposed poverty is the path to prosperity.
    You know, gotta keep track of what the enemy is up to.

  • wareagle||

    and those professors all give away their books, right? Or at least use any profits to send copies to the poor.

    The irony that evil publishing corporations sell books that attack them, written by professors in lifetime sinecures from (mostly) public corporations is breath-taking.

  • sarcasmic||

    Liberalism requires a certain amount of cognitive dissonance. What Orwell would have called doublethink.

  • Paul.||

    We have a climate cliff … We're facing a carbon tsunami, actually, where huge amounts of carbon are now being emitted at a faster rate than ever

    But...but... Obama!

  • Average Dude||

    Ahh, Kyoto. Those were the days we really cared about climate.

  • Archduke Pantsfan||




    Leonard Nimoy ‏@TheRealNimoy
    Just spent the evening with Jackson Browne and Al Gore. Climate Change !! Serious. Time to pay attention now so we can LLAP

    WTF is LLAP!?!?

  • ||

    Live Long And Prosper.

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    What am I, a trekkie?

  • ||

    You will be in a little bit. The meme virus has already taken seed.

  • $park¥||

    It's Mr Spock, dude. What do you think it means?

  • R C Dean||

    I'm guessing he meant "Live Long and Prosper", but I'm confident the commentariat can do better.

  • Redmanfms||

    Live Like A Prole.

    Like Loss And Poverty.

    Ummm...

  • tarran||

    I believe that it's kind of like fapping but George Takei is somehow involved.

  • $park¥||

    Lip Lock A Penis?

  • LTC(ret) John||

    *polite applause*

  • Trespassers W||

    Oh my!

  • mememine69||

    Belief is faith, reason is knowledge and Liberals have made us all fear mongering omen worshippers for the history books. “I see the changes……”
    Climate Blame wasn't science, it was a liberal virtue, and a tragic exaggeration and George Bush laughed as we fear mongered billions of helpless children to the greenhouse gas ovens for 26 years of needless CO2 panic. Nice job girls.
    For a quarter of a century the lab coats said we could be at the point of no return from a crisis that they never said "WILL" or "would" happen, only "might" happen. NOT ONE single IPCC warning was without maybes. Prove me wrong! Help my house could be on fire maybe?
    Undeniable proof of science's exaggeration is the fact that the millions in the global scientific community sit on their hands and watch dozens of climate change protesters worldwide. Some crisis eh?
    *Occupywallstreet does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded carbon trading stock markets ruled by corporations and trustworthy politicians.

  • mememine69||

    *Canada killed Y2Kyoto with a freely elected climate change denying prime minister and nobody cared, especially the millions of scientists warning us of unstoppable warming (a comet hit).ding stock markets run by corporations.
    *Obama has not mentioned the crisis in the last two State of the Unions addresses.
    *In all of the debates Obama hadn’t planned to mention climate change once.
    To you remaining fear mongers; none of you spineless climate cowards would still be shooting your mouths off like this still if there were real legal consequences in a real civilized society for issuing your CO2 death threats from your Reefer Madness of climate blame.
    A crisis that isn’t a crisis isn’t a crisis and save the little catastrophic climate crisis for your Harry Potter movies at the next lib convention.

  • Canman||

    Apparently, something interesting DID happen at this conference:
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/201.....d-censure/

  • Russell||

    And Monckers went bonkers as usual:
    http://vvattsupwiththat.blogsp.....-doha.html

  • JeremyR||

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